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WhatsforDiner
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Posted - 2011.04.10 10:51:00 -
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Hello,
i want to discuss a volatile subject today and thats the sanctum nerf. As you know CCP has narrowed down the high end site's so that they only spawn in low true sec systems. This has so far been a paradise for AFK 23/7 Cloackers. Until now the counter to AFK cloackers that in the blink of an eye can turn into gankers was -
1.Go Ratting in a different system, where they are not present 2.Have a HD squad on standby in order to assist the attacked Bear.
As of now option number 1. is no longer possible because for example in the constellation i live in at the moment there are only 3 systems with -0.6 and below true sec and since the nerf they are perma camped by 3 Cloacky AFKers 23/7. As for option 2. its very hard forcing people to be on standby 23/7 for a HD just because of 1 cloacky idiot with to much spare time and a case of no life. As of now the only thing i found out to work is ratting in a pvp ship instead of my pimp pve tengu, but this is veeery unefficient (1/4 of the income. I personally think its unbalanced as it is now and we should get a new tool to counter this because as stated before - we cannot rat where ever we like anymore..
Please share your ideas and dont flame if you disagree i am just sharing my frustration with you on this matter.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.04.10 10:54:00 -
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Ever thought about Empire and running level 4's? Sounds more up your street.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive. |
Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:00:00 -
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well if they are AFK, they can't do no harm. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
Arte
The Darkness Within
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: WhatsforDiner Hello, As of now the only thing i found out to work is ratting in a pvp ship instead of my pimp pve tengu, but this is veeery unefficient (1/4 of the income. I personally think its unbalanced as it is now and we should get a new tool to counter this because as stated before - we cannot rat where ever we like anymore..
Risk Vs Reward working as intended. More safety = less reward. I understand it's frustrating for you but the solution is there, I don't see it as a problem and would suggest that it's actually quite balanced. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally by: CCP Whisper "So you're going to have to do some actual thinking..."
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WhatsforDiner
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's Ever thought about Empire and running level 4's? Sounds more up your street.
I am a devoted 0.0 pvp'er my place is not in empire, there is a good sentence "A Soldier/Army marches on its stomach" Even a devoted pvper needs incomce, no income no pvp. And i dont have a alt, nor do i plan on paying another 15$ a month just to run lvl4's in empire.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: WhatsforDiner
Originally by: Mag's Ever thought about Empire and running level 4's? Sounds more up your street.
I am a devoted 0.0 pvp'er my place is not in empire, there is a good sentence "A Soldier/Army marches on its stomach" Even a devoted pvper needs incomce, no income no pvp. And i dont have a alt, nor do i plan on paying another 15$ a month just to run lvl4's in empire.
jump clones? ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar Solar Nexus. -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:11:00 -
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Edited by: Brooks Puuntai on 10/04/2011 11:11:24 Empire is where the money is. Nice part about it is I never have to undock or put myself at risk to make money.
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:11:00 -
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Anyone else think it's just a coincidence that 17 AFK cloaking whine threads have popped up in the two weeks that CCP's bot detection program has been active? ---
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WhatsforDiner
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: WhatsforDiner
Originally by: Mag's Ever thought about Empire and running level 4's? Sounds more up your street.
I am a devoted 0.0 pvp'er my place is not in empire, there is a good sentence "A Soldier/Army marches on its stomach" Even a devoted pvper needs incomce, no income no pvp. And i dont have a alt, nor do i plan on paying another 15$ a month just to run lvl4's in empire.
jump clones?
and what if i need to be in a OP or CTA?
stuck 24 hours in empire?
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: WhatsforDiner
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: WhatsforDiner
Originally by: Mag's Ever thought about Empire and running level 4's? Sounds more up your street.
I am a devoted 0.0 pvp'er my place is not in empire, there is a good sentence "A Soldier/Army marches on its stomach" Even a devoted pvper needs incomce, no income no pvp. And i dont have a alt, nor do i plan on paying another 15$ a month just to run lvl4's in empire.
jump clones?
and what if i need to be in a OP or CTA?
stuck 24 hours in empire?
never said it was perfect, altho it's more of an issue if you're supposed to be in standby and you're sitting in empire, unless your alliance schedules ops with less than 24 hours advance warning. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
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Emperor Ryan
Amarr The Illuminatii Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: WhatsforDiner
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: WhatsforDiner
Originally by: Mag's Ever thought about Empire and running level 4's? Sounds more up your street.
I am a devoted 0.0 pvp'er my place is not in empire, there is a good sentence "A Soldier/Army marches on its stomach" Even a devoted pvper needs incomce, no income no pvp. And i dont have a alt, nor do i plan on paying another 15$ a month just to run lvl4's in empire.
jump clones?
and what if i need to be in a OP or CTA?
stuck 24 hours in empire?
Join an alliance with a Jump bridge network - Emperor
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Tiber Ira
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:19:00 -
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I seem to remember players predicting this would happen. It does appear that CCP are trying force everyone back into high-sec, sov mechanics are crap, the original plexing system (before upgrades) was buggered up with dominion, now the dominion plexing system is buggered up. The only thing left to do in 0.0 is pew, even that is difficult with groups more than 100. Missions get a nice shiny boost.
CCP appears to be following their slogan for this year "Deliver" the problem is they ditched the "Excellence" part and are now dropping crap out by the bucket load.
Pre-Dominion 0.0 was fun, its now a chore to live there.
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Phocas Lebournes
Northbridge Services Group
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:19:00 -
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Why o why do I just get the feeling that the nerfbat is closing in on the cloacking devices?
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Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:21:00 -
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tears is delicious in this thread, but not enough salt
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Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: WhatsforDiner
2.Have a HD squad on standby in order to assist the attacked Bear.
Stop being such a *****.
- If it's a recon : a decent ratting ship will kill it/tank it long enough to get help
- If it's a bomber : Warrior II, fast tracking medium guns, missiles... dead or gone in seconds
- It's not a dedicated cloaker and it was cloaked in your belt/anomaly and you have ages to warp out from it's retargetting delay and nerfed scan res
- It's not a dedicated cloaker and it decloaked at a safe, you see it coming on scan and have time to leave before he lands near you
So if you don't afk/bot and are not completely ******ed you have no reasons to die ever... You should thank them for making your game more interesting.
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WhatsforDiner
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:22:00 -
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don't you guys see that it takes 0 effort on the AFK cloacker's part?
He just needs 1 alt with a cloacky ship sitting in a system while he goes to work, ***** his girlfriend or plays EvE with his main. All he has to so is alt-tab once in a while and check if he can gank a juicy target.
No effort!
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:22:00 -
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1/10
+2 for replies -1 for old content and way too obvious -
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WhatsforDiner
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:25:00 -
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Edited by: WhatsforDiner on 10/04/2011 11:26:34 Edited by: WhatsforDiner on 10/04/2011 11:25:41
Originally by: Lubomir Penev
Originally by: WhatsforDiner
2.Have a HD squad on standby in order to assist the attacked Bear.
Stop being such a *****.
- If it's a recon : a decent ratting ship will kill it/tank it long enough to get help
- If it's a bomber : Warrior II, fast tracking medium guns, missiles... dead or gone in seconds
- It's not a dedicated cloaker and it was cloaked in your belt/anomaly and you have ages to warp out from it's retargetting delay and nerfed scan res
- It's not a dedicated cloaker and it decloaked at a safe, you see it coming on scan and have time to leave before he lands near you
So if you don't afk/bot and are not completely ******ed you have no reasons to die ever... You should thank them for making your game more interesting.
i wanna see what you will do against a cloacky loki or tengu. HE will melt you very fast
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Ms Twitch
Appetite 4 Destruction Aggravated Assault..
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:25:00 -
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Remember (what a year or 2 back) when the whole idea of what ship can fit a cloak and a non covert ship can be scanned down. Also CCP implementing something on Sisi, I wonder if that will get resurrected?
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: WhatsforDiner don't you guys see that it takes 0 effort on the AFK cloacker's part?
He just needs 1 alt with a cloacky ship sitting in a system while he goes to work, ***** his girlfriend or plays EvE with his main. All he has to so is alt-tab once in a while and check if he can gank a juicy target.
No effort!
Who's actually stopping you going out ratting?
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive. |
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:26:00 -
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I used to NPC in fleets when I was in 0.0 and I made sure to be PvP fit while doing it.
If somebody needed help, the kitchen sink fleet came in and lolgank ensured.
It worked for me. Let me know how whining on the forums works out for you ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Marconus Orion
S.E.G.W.A.Y.
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:31:00 -
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It's the tear threads like this one that motivates me to leaving multiple accounts AFK cloaked in sanctum systems while I sleep, while I'm at work, while I watch a movie, while I shag, while I hit the bars, while I go out and ride roller coasters.
All of that, then walk over to the computer and drink in your sweet tears.
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:36:00 -
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I keep saying this but apparently, noone from nullsec gets it.
I live in a wh. We don't have local so the assumption is always that someone is in the system. It never stops us from running anomalies that can be found even without the use of probes. So, HTFU?
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: WhatsforDiner don't you guys see that it takes 0 effort on the AFK cloacker's part?
He just needs 1 alt with a cloacky ship sitting in a system while he goes to work, ***** his girlfriend or plays EvE with his main. All he has to so is alt-tab once in a while and check if he can gank a juicy target.
No effort!
Posting to confirm that doing nothing takes 0 effort, while ganking juicy targets can only happen when you are actively playing the game.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:44:00 -
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They're not your systems any more, they belong to the cloaked people. You're can't expect to be able to rat in other people's space, stealing their resources, without getting attacked.
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Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: WhatsforDiner
i wanna see what you will do against a cloacky loki or tengu. HE will melt you very fast
Don't hesitate to post your cloaky T3 setups that do decent dps in the Ship and Modules forums. People have been looking for them for a while.
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Eyup Mi'duck
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:56:00 -
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*YAWN*
CCP please close down this thread and restrict the AFK cloaking whiney posts to one thread. You do it with other subjects, why not this one?
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WhatsforDiner
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Posted - 2011.04.10 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: WhatsforDiner on 10/04/2011 12:15:26 Edited by: WhatsforDiner on 10/04/2011 12:13:46
Originally by: Eyup Mi'duck *YAWN*
CCP please close down this thread and restrict the AFK cloaking whiney posts to one thread. You do it with other subjects, why not this one?
This has nothing to do with AFK Cloack whining... Learn to read i did not complain about AFK Cloacking before the anomalies nerf. Because I HAD OTHER OPTIONS, cloackers could not be present in every system with Military 5 because there were simply too many of those systems. Now you have maybe 3 or 4 per constellation.
seriously i feel like im swimming upstream with your replies...
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.04.10 12:18:00 -
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So you have the choice between making 50M+/hr with possible gank or 30M+/hr with no possible gank .. sounds pretty reasonable to me, very much like choosing high-/low-sec agents actually.
As for the stomach bit, for solo pew yes you should have a personal income which the new (read: old) system more than provides, but for pew under the alliance/corp banner ... Take it up with the brass ..
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Shaemell Buttleson
Euphoria Released Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.04.10 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: WhatsforDiner Edited by: WhatsforDiner on 10/04/2011 12:15:26 Edited by: WhatsforDiner on 10/04/2011 12:13:46
Originally by: Eyup Mi'duck *YAWN*
CCP please close down this thread and restrict the AFK cloaking whiney posts to one thread. You do it with other subjects, why not this one?
This has nothing to do with AFK Cloack whining... Learn to read i did not complain about AFK Cloacking before the anomalies nerf. Because I HAD OTHER OPTIONS, cloackers could not be present in every system with Military 5 because there were simply too many of those systems. Now you have maybe 3 or 4 per constellation.
seriously i feel like im swimming upstream with your replies...
That's ok because we feel as if we are drowning in **** listening to players like you! * Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. - CCP Ildoge
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