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Mibad
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Posted - 2011.04.10 23:47:00 -
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Edited by: Mibad on 10/04/2011 23:51:40 Edited by: Mibad on 10/04/2011 23:50:46
Originally by: Nika Dekaia
Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor Exactly! So why does it exist in it's current form?
There are people who actually seem to enjoy the challenge/risk/logistic effort of doing a 40 jump escalation and do not think the reward is bad, like Shiyurida.
Then there are people like Mibad who don't think 10/10s are woth the time and effort and do 6/10s instead.
And then there is you wanting the 10/10 reward with the 6/10 risk and effort.
As for why they exist: obviously to make you whine on the forums about them.
You completely misread what I wrote.
I never said DED complex's are not worth the effort, in FACT I said it's easier to probe them in your own space than GO 40 jumps and do a escalation site that gives similar loot.
L2READ.
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Suan Sanche
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Posted - 2011.04.11 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor Got the angel domination fleet staging system escalation from a forsaken hub. 14 jumps away in our own space. No problem, went and completed it and it escalated to stage 2 an additional 4 jumps away, Excellent! payday incoming in stage 3, I thought! stage 3 spawn 40 jumps from current location in delve?! What the hell is the point in that? 40 jumps in 0.0 is almost 100% guaranteed hostile territory. CCP fix, plx.
Umm... Just leave the escalation undone. Accept the EVE reality. You can't have it all.
or
UMM... you can always try to arrange 0.0 wide nap treaty, wouldn't that be FUN! We all could do any escalation risk free!
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AstarothPrime
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Posted - 2011.04.11 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Treia Laguna
Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor <more quotes> Which will get instablobbed.
I know this is gonna come as a shock to you: But it's possible to avoid the blob.
Fit for unprobability, cyno/bridge/refit/assemble in nearby dead system (or even in system itself). Warp to starting gate, get to work.
Uhm - u know its kinda hard to fit a bridging titan for unprobability. I still have to find a fit for that. U know - it aint a big deal going INTO enemy area.
The big deal is - being there couple of hours - then strawling back once they have you in all intel channels
Regards
I.
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Romandra
These are not the droids you're looking for Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.04.11 16:23:00 -
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There are some seriously strange people on this planet.
Okay, op, as much as I have a dislike for your corp and your current and former alliances, you're right: that's crap. An escalation 40 jumps away does not make any sense. The worst I've ever seen is ~20 jumps or so, and typically you expect to travel less than that, on average.
It's entirely reasonable to have to go through some effort to reach an escalation, but maneuvering through multiple regions seems very, very odd. I assume you got the escalation in either Impass or Tenerifis, and Delve is epic far from there.
It's time to let it go and hope it doesn't happen again.
As for the rest of the ******s in here who have clearly never plexed Angel plexes, you are all ******ed (think of a word that rhymes with leotard).
Besides the plex containing multiple spawns with a decent (but easily manageable) amount of DPS, there are also neut battery IIIs, and a station with an incredibly large shield and armor repair unlike anything found in any other racial plexes in the game. It requires at least ~1800 DPS to barely break it, and yeah, smuggling that amount of pve-capable DPS into a region 40 jumps away is not worth the possible chance of a drop, most of the time.
It is very normal to see people using capitals (since there is no gate to this plex) to finish this plex with a reasonable number of characters. Myself, I'm forced to do it with a max skilled rattlesnake as a tank/DPS, and at least two ravens or vagabonds for DPS to break the rep on the station. It's incredibly stupid how strong the rep is, and trying to break it with an unprobable tengu would be very lol.
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Mctana
Caldari Dead's Prostitutes White Angels.
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Posted - 2011.04.11 17:31:00 -
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I would say that in 0.0, only about 1/4 to 1/8 are actually completable... meaning sending you into a region that's only marginally hostile. I have them expiring in my expedition journal daily because you simply cannot go where they're sending you.
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Target Painter
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.15 06:06:00 -
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I complete escalations in hostile space all the time, without unprobable ships, being titan-bridged in or anything else. I've done them in hostile station systems before.
The key is creating a culture of fear in the inhabitants; if you are known for ganking people in that area and a band of yours shows up, they'll probably dock/POS up and stay safe until you complete it. Obviously you still blitz the escalation, lest they form a defense fleet, but really, it's not as dangerous doing **** in hostile 0.0 as you make it out to be.
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Xyolon
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Posted - 2011.04.15 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Target Painter I complete escalations in hostile space all the time, without unprobable ships, being titan-bridged in or anything else. I've done them in hostile station systems before.
The key is creating a culture of fear in the inhabitants; if you are known for ganking people in that area and a band of yours shows up, they'll probably dock/POS up and stay safe until you complete it. Obviously you still blitz the escalation, lest they form a defense fleet, but really, it's not as dangerous doing **** in hostile 0.0 as you make it out to be.
I once got an escalation (luckily a short one) in an npc null system. There were like 130 reds in the system. Wtf?! Then I refited in one of the stations, quickly done the site, docked to refit again then left. Can't remember what was the final loot but actually, doing an escalation with 130 hostiles in the system was way more rewarding
Then again, 40jumps are just too much. Not (just) because of hostile territories but because of the sheer distance. 40jumps = at least 40mins of doing nothing but travelling. |
dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.04.15 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Xyolon 40jumps = at least 40mins of doing nothing but travelling.
and then you need to get back home...
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Doddy
Excidium.
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Posted - 2011.04.15 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor Spoken like two people who have no clue what they're talking about. Have you ever even been to nullsec? morons... Risk vs. reward? What should the reward be for doing the impossible, and no I'm not just saying "impossible" and really meaning "hard". Completing this chain is physically impossible. So try again please.
Its not impossible if you aren't a noob. The whole point of escalations is that they take you out of your comfort zone. Grow some balls.
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Viqer Fell
Minmatar RETRIBUTIONS. Legion of The Damned.
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Posted - 2011.04.15 16:05:00 -
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Edited by: Viqer Fell on 15/04/2011 16:05:15 .
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Commoner
Caldari The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.04.15 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: Commoner on 15/04/2011 19:35:00 My record is like 50 jumps from a lowsec escalation.
Been this for ages, 0.0 is not the only place this happens....i didn't finish it :P
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andeira
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Posted - 2011.04.15 20:53:00 -
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I've had about 8 escalations run out cause they led me into AAA space :( But did you see me whine on forums about it? -------------
Originally by: Stitcher For frak's sake, it took millions of years of evolution for that brain to get inside your skull, would it kill you to actually USE the damned thing?
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Noferatu
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Posted - 2011.04.15 21:08:00 -
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Take this down (up) one level to highsec/lowsec or lowsec/null escalations, and you get exactly the same bleating about how unfair escalations can be..
HTFU :)
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Teh Xoan
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Posted - 2011.04.17 09:25:00 -
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I personally have completed this escalation, the station is brutal, it is hard to take down, and yes it can take a long time... but the loot is omg nice!!
We did it with a broadsword tanking, logi, and 2 BS for DPS. it was only 2 players though. As far as the other part of this, or the main part, I would not travel 40 jumps to do a plex. Even if I had a rep that caused people to dock, 40 jumps away they probably do not know of me. However, that is purely a judgement call, in the right direction 40 jumps might be mostly blue space for me. I found a WH the other day that took me to another location that was 28 jumps away, and it was blue when I got to the other side. I told them about the PoS inside the WH, and went back home to look for something else to do.
If eve is anything, it is about using all the tools you have, manipulating the tools that others think you have, and putting more thought into something than is required. Other wise you will lose isk, and cause you and your corp issues. imo anyways heh
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