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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.04.11 16:12:00 -
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We are proud to bring you a letter from the members of the sixth Council of Stellar Management. See what CSM6 has in store for their term in this latest dev blog.
Zymurgist Community Representative CCP NA, EVE Online Contact Us |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2011.04.11 16:17:00 -
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Oh snap!
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.04.11 16:17:00 -
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So like most of us believe its pointless?
You couldn't speed up that forum update for us could you?
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BugraT WarheaD
Astromechanica Federatis
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Posted - 2011.04.11 16:25:00 -
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I don't know why but the Goon invasion of the CSM seems to already gives its fruits ... Time dilatation seems something cool, indeed, but don't forget people that 70% of the eve universe isn't the fleet fight (but i agree, yes, it's time to fix things quick ;))
Nice communication btw, hope you'll stay unite.
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Myra2007
Millstone Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.11 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Myra2007 on 11/04/2011 16:30:17 That's not the devblog you're looking for.
edit: still intriguing though. When I saw a player suggest something similar to that recently I thought he was making a joke. --
Originally by: CCP Elais
It was a great Frankenstein moment [...] to see the forum [...] come alive.
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.04.11 16:41:00 -
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Great. Next up: Hybrids and Gal ganglinks? ECM? T3 SS swapping at POS? |
Steve Thomas
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.11 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Steve Thomas on 11/04/2011 16:44:37 Its called a trial balloon.
and honestly if they can get it to work, its realy just "bullettime" for MMOs. Hmmm Fleetfights in slow mo. . . could this be the gap we need for Selective Systems Targeting? http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html Crumplecorn's DesuSigs
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.11 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Daneel Trevize Great. Next up: Hybrids and Gal ganglinks? ECM? T3 SS swapping at POS?
Most (maybe all) of these are already sitting in the CSM backlog waiting for CCP to act on them.
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Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.11 16:46:00 -
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The link to the wiki is broken, it should be: https://wiki.goonfleet.com/MumblePublic -- Kismeteer, carebear extraordinaire
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Baihuigau
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.04.11 16:46:00 -
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Interesting feature, it might just work, i think its worth the try.
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente The Crane Family
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Posted - 2011.04.11 16:50:00 -
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Edited by: Bartholomeus Crane on 11/04/2011 16:50:05 So, CSM6 just advertised that it sees itself as nothing more than soundboard for CCP, and without struggle has therefore declared itself already quite useless as a pressure management instrument for CCP. Off to a good start. Inappropriate signature removed. Zymurgist |
Rixiu
The Inuits
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Posted - 2011.04.11 16:50:00 -
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0.0 blobbers CSM focus on continue being able to blob... *shock*. The 0.0 sandbox totally isn't broken when it's easier to build a large sandcastle than a smaller one... right?
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Solo Drakban
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.11 16:51:00 -
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Also, public-mumble.goonfleet.com is not a webserver, there is no http:// connectivity to it (the article seems to indicate otherwise by making it a hyperlink).
The following URL will automatically connect you to the mumble server and put you in the proper channel for the CSM chat.
mumble://mumble-public.goonfleet.com/CSM Fireside Chats?version=1.2.0&title=GoonFleetPublicMumbe
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Ionium
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Posted - 2011.04.11 16:55:00 -
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This smacks of Mittani and his arrogance... CSM 6 is turning out to be a waste of my effort to follow.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.11 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane Edited by: Bartholomeus Crane on 11/04/2011 16:50:05 So, CSM6 just advertised that it sees itself as nothing more than soundboard for CCP, and without struggle has therefore declared itself already quite useless as a pressure management instrument for CCP. Off to a good start.
Do you really, TRULY believe that considering Mittani of all people is the CSM chair?
Read the letter again, without the usual lolinternetskimming.
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.04.11 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane Edited by: Bartholomeus Crane on 11/04/2011 16:50:05 So, CSM6 just advertised that it sees itself as nothing more than soundboard for CCP, and without struggle has therefore declared itself already quite useless as a pressure management instrument for CCP. Off to a good start.
Do you really, TRULY believe that considering Mittani of all people is the CSM chair?
Read the letter again, without the usual lolinternetskimming.
Yes I believe that, He is still bound by the NDA. He is still bound by the fact CCP has sole discretion over what they will or will not implement. He is still bound by the fact CCP has no obligation to contact/discuss/approach the CSM except during the specially prepared summits.
With the rollout of the changes to anomalies it is also clear CCP feels no obligation to tell or discuss major game changes with the CSM.
Therefore basically as I've always stated it is nothing more than a PR tool meant to make you think players have a voice when they have none.
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Mitchello
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.04.11 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: BugraT WarheaD I don't know why but the Goon invasion of the CSM seems to already gives its fruits ... Time dilatation seems something cool, indeed, but don't forget people that 70% of the eve universe isn't the fleet fight (but i agree, yes, it's time to fix things quick ;))
Nice communication btw, hope you'll stay unite.
It's a topic CCP is already active in and invested in, thanks to CSM 5, so pretty much the only thing which CSM 6 can currently get a running start with. So it makes them look like they are having an awesome success to players. Don't forget, CSM 6 is quite political. I'm sure they can get a lot done if they play their cards right and do the work, but got to be honest, it is a political CSM.
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Dogo Duma
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Posted - 2011.04.11 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane Edited by: Bartholomeus Crane on 11/04/2011 16:50:05 So, CSM6 just advertised that it sees itself as nothing more than soundboard for CCP, and without struggle has therefore declared itself already quite useless as a pressure management instrument for CCP. Off to a good start.
Do you really, TRULY believe that considering Mittani of all people is the CSM chair?
Read the letter again, without the usual lolinternetskimming.
He is right however. It is perhaps an idea to read the previous CSM Summit minutes again, and hold the "soundboard" angle next to the responses by parts of CCP on the incarna situation, as well as tons of other simple things which for them became huge problems as they found it hard to differentiate between "work/position" and "person". Add to that the presenting by Mittens of how he and select people at CCP - who don't make any of the relevant decisions - have each other's backs, and voila.
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Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.04.11 17:23:00 -
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Wait just a minute here. Didn't Hilmar make a lot of fuss about how important the relationship between the CSM and CCP is? How they love it when the players call bull**** on CCP?
How can CCP have no mandate to interact with the CSM if the CEO himself has been talking about how much of a benefit the CSM has been to CCP? CCP mentioned at fanfest how they like to embrace and engage with the CSM at every opportunity.
Why are you trying to make us settle for the level of response that Team Awesome gave to us and CSM5?
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Gavjack Bunk
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.04.11 17:24:00 -
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Quote: The Purpose and Limits of the CSM
There is a tremendous amount of misunderstanding about what the CSM is able to do.
That's where I stopped reading. I think you misunderstand the misunderstanding.
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mvrck22
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Posted - 2011.04.11 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: El'Niaga He is still bound by the fact CCP has no obligation to contact/discuss/approach the CSM except during the specially prepared summits.
Which is bull. When the company ceo tells people that he wants ccp to deal with the csm round the clock, because they are now a stakeholder, and he recognises some interesting faces so it will be an interesting term but ccp will embrace the challenge structurally (as he laid out during fanfest), there's a question popping up on why Mittani is going against that.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.04.11 17:30:00 -
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Time dilation?
I don't think people are frustrated because lag causes unfair conditions (lag doesn't, every random result evens out after a while, you win some, you lose some, nothing unfair about this) - players are frustrated because lag is boooooooooooring. There is nothing exciting about waiting 20 minutes for a cycle.
And it doesn't matter if I know that the other guy has to wait also 20 minutes, that doesn't make it less boring at all.
Time dilatation sounds not like a reasonable idea to me if all it does is just making people wait and wait. But before judging the whole concept, a devblog or some more information are necessary.
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GIGAR
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.11 17:34:00 -
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So, will we actually have CSM members that engage in discussions, or the standard CSM practice of posting once per month?
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.11 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: GIGAR So, will we actually have CSM members that engage in discussions, or the standard CSM practice of posting once per month?
Posting has been somewhat interrupted by forum-related hilarity over the last few days...
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.11 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: El'Niaga Yes I believe that, He is still bound by the NDA. He is still bound by the fact CCP has sole discretion over what they will or will not implement. He is still bound by the fact CCP has no obligation to contact/discuss/approach the CSM except during the specially prepared summits.
With the rollout of the changes to anomalies it is also clear CCP feels no obligation to tell or discuss major game changes with the CSM.
Therefore basically as I've always stated it is nothing more than a PR tool meant to make you think players have a voice when they have none.
You are right that CSM is a PR tool. I don't however agree that it is simply a soundboard for CCP. Though I could care less about CSM politics, a glance through previous minutes indicates that CCP takes CSM concerns seriously. But you are correct in that CCP is a private enterprise and as such is only as accountable to customers as they want to be within lawful limits.
I suggest you come to Fanfest next year to see for yourself just how seriously the company considers player/customer input. It doesn't mean everyone will get things their way.
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gtiness
Sick Tight Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.04.11 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie Time dilation?
I don't think people are frustrated because lag causes unfair conditions (lag doesn't, every random result evens out after a while, you win some, you lose some, nothing unfair about this) - players are frustrated because lag is boooooooooooring. There is nothing exciting about waiting 20 minutes for a cycle.
And it doesn't matter if I know that the other guy has to wait also 20 minutes, that doesn't make it less boring at all.
And I have to wait 20 minutes for my guns to cycle because Joe TheReds guns are cycling at full speed (ie, taking all the CPU). Better if everyones guns take 5 minutes than some random, unlucky people DIAF and can do nothing about it while others lol around killing everything.
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1Of9
Gallente The Circle SOLAR WING
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Posted - 2011.04.11 17:58:00 -
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wtf .. mittany plan at work .. kill csm and eve. great, this is what we get for having morons elected.
get lost mitany, and stay out!
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.11 17:59:00 -
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Great first letter to the player base from CSM6. I sure hope they're as effective as they say they'll be. So far the organization seems better than previous CSM's, but time will tell.
The time dilation idea is a very, very good one that should be pursued.
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.04.11 18:00:00 -
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Time Dilation = Awesome.
Also, link to the AH post.
This signature is useless, but it is red.
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Sinikka Huiputti
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Posted - 2011.04.11 18:00:00 -
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I haven't had lag since 2007 when I bought new computer. Except twice in pure blind when only 20 man blue fleet was in system and everyone kept just crashing.
Conclusion: lag doesn't exist.
Let's move into real fixes which make difference, plox. Like nerfing artillery, RR all around, cloak this and that, angel ships, railguns, lolsec space, dreadnaughts, POS's, jump bridges, jump freighters trololo, jump this and that....
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