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Mister Short
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Posted - 2011.04.12 01:55:00 -
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Just wondering if he was unbanned. If not, what will this mean for future petitioners?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.12 01:59:00 -
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That's not QUITE how it happened. IF he would have ONLY reported it, he would not be banned now. _
CCP LEADERSHIP MENTALITY NEEDS TO CHANGE FAST ! "New junky features sell, old polished content doesn't" ? KILL IT WITH FIRE. |
Awesome Possum
Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.04.12 02:00:00 -
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the "gagged in local" guy? ♥
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Sam Akiga
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Posted - 2011.04.12 02:01:00 -
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Why is everyone jumping on board with these threads? Yes, he tried to help out but instead of petitioning the GMs with the details, he decided to make some noises and violate a couple rules in the EULA.
Yes, he sent a petition. But did he provide evidence or details as to how he done it? No, he even commented on leaving CCP to do the leg work to find the bugs... and you ask why CCP didn't shut down their forums immediately.
I've dealt with game servers like this in the past where someone finds a security loop-hole in a game mode you've created, makes a public speech announcing he's a white knight rather than quietly informing us and reeking the "fame" and entertainment from the havoc that it 'causes.
Stop portraying him as some kind of hero.
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Mister Short
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Posted - 2011.04.12 02:10:00 -
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thnx for the info
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Hieronimus Rex
Minmatar Infinitus Sapientia New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2011.04.12 02:13:00 -
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Banned from the forums isn't such a terrible thing is it?
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Mister Short
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Posted - 2011.04.12 02:14:00 -
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it was an ip ban from the game from what i heard
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.04.12 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mister Short it was an ip ban from the game from what i heard
Considering your OP, you are a reliable source of information indeed!
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.12 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mister Short it was an ip ban from the game from what i heard
ah the kug treatment
then again apparently what he supposedly got banned for is OK now
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Hieronimus Rex
Minmatar Infinitus Sapientia New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2011.04.12 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Mister Short it was an ip ban from the game from what i heard
Why would they ban you from the game for exploiting the forums?
Forum pvp exploits are totally different from ingame pvp exploits.
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.12 02:20:00 -
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Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 12/04/2011 02:22:19 Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 12/04/2011 02:20:57
Originally by: Hieronimus Rex
Originally by: Mister Short it was an ip ban from the game from what i heard
Why would they ban you from the game for exploiting the forums?
Forum pvp exploits are totally different from ingame pvp exploits.
theyve game banned ppl for forum stuff before, its not new
IE the supposed reason they game/forumbanned Kug and made it so you cant say his name on the forums even four years later
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Mister Short
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Posted - 2011.04.12 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Mister Short it was an ip ban from the game from what i heard
Considering your OP, you are a reliable source of information indeed!
Going in to this, all I heard was his side. I am just supplying the info I know. Now I am getting some different viewpoints.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.04.12 02:36:00 -
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lol
So lets get this straight.
* CCP fail web team convinces management they are awesome with hubris and garbage. * CCP commence using MS tech to write a "social network" (term used loosely). * CCP fail to check their new website with google ratproxy. * Obviously the code contains exploitable holes. A) MS B) CCP web team. * A random script kiddy finds the glaring holes. * Security through obscurity isn't good for CCP or us so some details are posted. * CCP kills the messenger.
Fail CCP. Fail CCP web team.
CCP Nathan "the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells" Evelgrivion "each passing year, each failure to deliver on expectations of basic competence" |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.04.12 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mister Short Now I am getting some different viewpoints.
And this needed it's very own special individual thread for??? Let me do the sums for you: Why join into some sort of drama storm when you only have one person's side of a story? What winds up happening is that you look like a sucker, the other person gets to laugh, and nothing worthwhile gets down. Not to mention you'll probably get a forum warning for bringing this subject up - yet again. You may not have been repeating the topic but it has been oft repeated in a troll campaign. People who get hammered for being jackasses usually spawn such things. CCP's side of matters is this guy was no hero. From experience, CCP is possibly over reacting (not unheard of) but in equal measure past history for such unique moments/individuals demonstrates that the punishment usually fits the infraction. Contrary to popular belief - Being a jackass in the process of doing something marginally good doesn't change the fact that you were being a jackass. People need to stop defending such jackasses but then most who do defend them identify with them. Three guess why?
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.04.12 02:40:00 -
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The devil is in the details.
Going in and leaving a calling card or two and reporting the failure is one thing (and I'd support that sort of thing if the person doing it had a good faith concern that things were in a dangerous state which warranted a drop everything now and handle it approach)
Logging in and spending hours tooling around in internal forums isn't needed to call attention to a problem and is indeed a criminal act (I can forgive someone taking a quick sneaky look like seeing an open page of a diary through a car window, but opening an unlocked door and reading the diary is an entirely different thing).
The second deserves to be punished...
however.. did he post any juicy info anywhere and can I have the link ? (I didn't do the stealing and heck i'll breach that level of moral highground if stuff is common knowledge to other players now.
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.12 02:40:00 -
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more like trolles making up facts that sound good in order to bash CCP.
but dont let me stop you
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2011.04.12 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Dr BattleSmith lol
So lets get this straight.
* CCP fail web team convinces management they are awesome with hubris and garbage. * CCP commence using MS tech to write a "social network" (term used loosely). * CCP fail to check their new website with google ratproxy. * Obviously the code contains exploitable holes. A) MS B) CCP web team. * A random script kiddy finds the glaring holes. * Security through obscurity isn't good for CCP or us so some details are posted. * Script kitty forgot to read the EULA that exploiting bugs is a bannable offence * CCP Proves that he indeed abused the exploit and by not reporting it properly on how it happened he did infact violate the EULA worse than others. * CCP kills the messenger.
Fixed,
Even though they super derped that still doesnt give players the right to exploit them and prove them wrong. That's just asking for a perma ban.
So if you find a bug, report it and the proper steps on how you re-created it. That way the bug gets fixed and you avoid the gallows when CCP secret GM police come for the exploiters.
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Guilliman R
Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.04.12 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mister Short it was an ip ban from the game from what i heard
Lol ip ban, how 90's
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dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.04.12 02:52:00 -
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Original post...
Originally by: William Loire
Of what Catari told us:
-He petitioned his findings with CCP.
-He realized he could not only pose as any character, but edit any post, login in as a GM, access moderator controls and see invisible forums such as the private CSM forums.
-He was taunted by one SHC member to prove it. Which he did by posting as said SHC member. Said customer then proceeded to say "brilliant" and showed no issue with the post.
- Looked over CSM topics related to the forums. (Worthy of a temp ban)
- Received his ban. Then upon the return of the forums following the hotfix, he posted in the dev thread showing that he could easily skirt his IP ban. - He never received an explanation for his ban or a time frame for how long it will last. He probably received a permanent ban even though he deserves a medal from CCP for revealing such a obvious hole that could have literally ****ed over thousands of customers.
- He never revealed how either exploit works to anyone on SHC or EVEO.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.04.12 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk * Script kitty forgot to read the EULA that exploiting bugs is a bannable offence
Personally I was going to do a security appraisal of the new forums before release.
However I thought CCP would be morons and respond in this way to someone doing the testing they obviously failed to do.
EULA is one thing, "no one ever test our ****" is another thing entirely.
CCP Nathan "the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells" Evelgrivion "each passing year, each failure to deliver on expectations of basic competence" |
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.04.12 02:56:00 -
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TBFH, even he says his petition didn't include enough information to be useful or construct an actual bug report. Of course, he thinks that people should be able to auto ****ing magically construct a solid reproducible bug report out of something containing not much more than "yo dawg u suk a dik lmao losers i can excalate mah privs ur forum broke *****es"
Read it from the horse's mouth here
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
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dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.04.12 03:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dr BattleSmith However I thought CCP would be morons and respond in this way to someone doing the testing they obviously failed to do.
On one hand i feel they should give him a break and just remove the ban, the bugs was very obvious, had be not found them someone else would have. On the other hand he did decide to exploit the security flaws, which was pretty stupid when he knew CCP would be looking into the issues.
You can't both petition a problem and at the same time use it to get access to off limit areas, and not except it to have some consequence.
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Sam Akiga
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Posted - 2011.04.12 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: dexington Original post...
Originally by: William Loire
Of what Catari told us:
-He petitioned his findings with CCP.
-He realized he could not only pose as any character, but edit any post, login in as a GM, access moderator controls and see invisible forums such as the private CSM forums.
-He was taunted by one SHC member to prove it. Which he did by posting as said SHC member. Said customer then proceeded to say "brilliant" and showed no issue with the post.
- Looked over CSM topics related to the forums. (Worthy of a temp ban)
- Received his ban. Then upon the return of the forums following the hotfix, he posted in the dev thread showing that he could easily skirt his IP ban. - He never received an explanation for his ban or a time frame for how long it will last. He probably received a permanent ban even though he deserves a medal from CCP for revealing such a obvious hole that could have literally ****ed over thousands of customers.
- He never revealed how either exploit works to anyone on SHC or EVEO.
First things first, this is CCP's house and they can throw anyone out for any reason, another thing... don't discuss moderation, these threads are a violation of the forum rules.
So, let me summarise what he done.
-He found a loophole.
-Exploited said loophole to prove it was possible to himself
-Petitioned CCP(*)
-It was obvious he wanted fame or to discredit the new forums or something, so he decided to cause a public stir and draw the public eye's attention to the fact the forums had security loop holes. Anyone with a background in web development or a computer course now has the ability to have a look for themselves.
-With an alibi of him proclaiming to be a white knight and a petition, he probably thought it was safe to demonstrate it / show off as well as still intrude upon the forums that aren't normally visible to players. This itself is a computer felony.
-Get banned for continuous use of the forums he wasn't allowed access to, not being helpful in the investigations (CCP said two other people helped expose loopholes, he didn't), etc.
-In the end, he was trying to bash CCP and get some e-fame.
-Two people were rewarded for their help, he deserved what he got. The (*) is where he should have stopped and gave CCP more information.
Look at this way, if you left your door unlocked and I decided to call/text you to tell you that your door is unlocked. You wouldn't be happy to come home to me sitting in your sofa watching tv.
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dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.04.12 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sam Akiga Look at this way, if you left your door unlocked and I decided to call/text you to tell you that your door is unlocked. You wouldn't be happy to come home to me sitting in your sofa watching tv.
depends.. are you a hot chick who likes to watch tv naked?
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.12 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sam Akiga
First things first, this is CCP's house and they can throw anyone out for any reason, another thing... don't discuss moderation, these threads are a violation of the forum rules.
Right! they can even permaban someone for something thats become commonplace since sreegs told us his name (used to be if you posted a RL name of a CCP on the forums you got permabanned and yer name stricken from the forums for years afterwards)
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dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.04.12 03:38:00 -
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Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod
Right! they can even permaban someone for something thats become commonplace since sreegs told us his name (used to be if you posted a RL name of a CCP on the forums you got permabanned and yer name stricken from the forums for years afterwards)
They have the right to ban anyone without any given reason, they don't have to follow any "rules". The rules are there to tell you what you should and should'nt do, not who they can or can't ban.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.04.12 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Stuff
See, another fine example of someone being a jackass in defense of another jackass. You had your say. It was deleted, the thread locked, and you get to still post. A wise person would say, let it go. Me otoh would like you to continue. Nothing thrills me like watching someone self destruct - but only the intellectually challenged ones.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.12 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral stuff
I like it when ppl call ppl jackasses and make jackasses out of themselves for talking to obvious trolls
though the double standard is still there and I still have a point. Sticking up for them for breaking their own rules... lol is it possible to tell where your lips end and their buttocks start at all anymore?
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dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.04.12 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Sticking up for them for breaking their own rules... lol
They can't break the rules, when the rules don't apply to them.
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.04.12 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Sam Akiga Look at this way, if you left your door unlocked and I decided to call/text you to tell you that your door is unlocked. You wouldn't be happy to come home to me sitting in your sofa watching tv.
depends.. are you a hot chick who likes to watch tv naked?
A better analogy to me is that if you rented a room from a friend in his house in a reasonably high risk neighborhood.
He promised to lock the doors and wash hish share of the dishes when you moved in. He's been letting you down on the dishes consistentlym, only getting around to washing his share after they've stunk up the house for a few days. You were going out of town for a weekend and you specifically remind him to lock the house.
You come back and find the house unlocked. You're ****ed and you violate his privacy , go into his seperate room, get on his computer and change his screen save to say "Loser" on it.
Sure you could eventually move out...but you've invested some time and effort to move your stuff in in the first place and made some plans according to where you're living...might be the best decision long run but he's still messed with you, and he's an overall good guy who would be fine to live with if he just took a few important things to you more seriously.
Now, if when you went into his room and got on his computer you started looking at his browsing history, documents, logged on to his email etc....that level of violating his priavcy is an entirely seperate thing.
If the neighbor left his door unlocked and you didn't rent from him, your analogy would fit.. you can't just walk inot his house.
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