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Cutter Isaacson
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:00:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: Other than that is pathetic, I really have no way of responding to that. This is a game real life must by its nature take precedence.
Clearly those people would not seek out, nor pay any attention to, information regarding the CSM in the first place. Since they deem it to only be "A game" they would have no interest in such things, so why are they all of a sudden so important to you?
Frying Doom wrote: So SiSi is not a user to user area then? funny being as I have talked to people on it.
Dear oh dear, you really are struggling with this crutch of yours. SiSi is not, and has not ever been covered by your subscription fee. It is a privilege in every sense of the word and access to it will never be guaranteed in any way shape or form. If SiSi goes down for whatever reason CCP have always stated exactly as I have just done. It is NOT a right.
Now compare that to the forums and TQ. If service to either of those is interrupted CCP take immediate steps to ensure its swift reactivation, as that is what your subscription fee allows you access to. Did I make that clear enough for you? Insisting that people who do not frequent SiSi are the same as those who choose not to use the forums is an asinine and weak argument, one that you had lost before the thought entered your head.
Frying Doom wrote: Actually you are making the distinction between people who spend time on the forums and other sites compared to those who only want to play the game. As I have stated if you start making distinctions like that it is easy to justify anything. This conversation feels like I have gone back in time.
People who make a conscious choice to not access the services covered by their subscription have clearly already decided on the level of participation they wish to have in the game. It is they who distinguish themselves, purposely, from the rest of the player base. My highlighting this readily apparent fact only aggravates you because I think you realise the futility of your argument.
Frying Doom wrote: The people in this game who do not currently know what the CSM is have the right to be educated and then make up there own mind as to whether or not they want to vote. Rather than people just saying that they had the ability to read about the CSM, but why would you want to if you did not know what it was or even that it exists.
Leaving over 80% of the population out of the voting process makes no sense considering it would be rather easy to know how many are apathetic and how many just don't know.
As I and many others have made abundantly clear, the information is readily available to those who choose to seek it out. It is not as if details concerning the CSM are kept locked in a safe buried under a mountain on an asteroid on the outer edges of the solar system. You are complaining about "educating" a proportion of the player base who have already decided that they wish to have no dealings in such matters.
No one here is saying that it wouldn't be nice if more people voted in the elections, of course that would be good, but to insist that CCP are somehow at fault and that they could "do more" is laughable at best, not to mention insulting to those who have clearly decided upon the level at which they wish to interact with the community.
Do you see yourself as a missionary of some sort, bringing the gospel of the CSM to the unwashed tribesmen? My views are my own, not those of my Corp. or my Alliance. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:00:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Chuck Norris? sounds American.
If folk do not avail themselves of the opportuntiy to vote, they are not entitled to an ingame opinion on which direction the game takes.
The act of voting gives one the right to whinge or praise as one sees fit. If they know what they are not voting for. My main want is for the in-game only players to be educated enough to make an informed decision as to whether or not they want to vote. After they are informed and decide not to vote....Well then they can just shut up and sit down. How do you propose we forcefully educate those who really just don't care enough to figure things out for themselves? At the very least, they could, I don't know, ask someone else what the CSM is. There's a Help chat in game that I hang out in, for example, and last election cycle we got a lot of questions as to what the CSM was. Who knows how many of those people voted once they found out? http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:01:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jesus Christ, stop making excuses.
What else is Issler "Frying Doom" Danze supposed to do? She got utterly creamed in the CSM voting, made an absolute ass of herself over Mittan's behaviour at fanfest and spectacularly failed to deliver on promises to tear down walls, bend CCP to her will and ensure cupcakes for everyone as per all the election blurb. Now she's mostly posting on her alt so that we think it's someone else and, I suspect, writing her own version of Mein Kampf, detailing how the evil goons stopped her being the CSM chair and weilding the power to make everyone in nullsec run level 4 missions all day. Come the next CSM election, this garbage will no doubt be spewed forth in a desperate attempt to gain a new personal best of 3 votes.
Obviously, the answer is to come to the forum and cry foul because none of the people who knew what the CSM elections were about were carebears. Or, perhaps, they were carebears but they'd trained getting a clue V and voted for someone else.
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:02:00 -
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HVAC Repairman wrote:an all-high sec CSM would be near the top of the list of THE WORST THINGS HUMANLY POSSIBLE
somewhere between the zombie apocalypse and being roseanne barr's personal butthair shaver I will admit I agree, well with the first bit the second is completely disgusting.
A representative council is what we should have, so not all Hi-sec but representatives and not one made of minority and interest groups.
That was a really sick image you gave me bluck. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:03:00 -
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admiral root wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jesus Christ, stop making excuses. What else is Issler "Frying Doom" Danze supposed to do? She got utterly creamed in the CSM voting, made an absolute ass of herself over Mittan's behaviour at fanfest and spectacularly failed to deliver on promises to tear down walls, bend CCP to her will and ensure cupcakes for everyone as per all the election blurb. Now she's mostly posting on her alt so that we think it's someone else and, I suspect, writing her own version of Mein Kampf, detailing how the evil goons stopped her being the CSM chair and weilding the power to make everyone in nullsec run level 4 missions all day. Come the next CSM election, this garbage will no doubt be spewed forth in a desperate attempt to gain a new personal best of 3 votes. Obviously, the answer is to come to the forum and cry foul because none of the people who knew what the CSM elections were about were carebears. Or, perhaps, they were carebears but they'd trained getting a clue V and voted for someone else. Oh, and I lied about the cupcakes. Perhaps I'm too new/too oblivious, but I actually don't know anything about her. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:05:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:The spash screen as you call it really had nothing in it to inform players what the CSM was, Just vote for the CSM, the banners were kind of the same with references to irrelevant crap. "Hmm. What is this CSM thing we need to vote about? Maybe I should check the wiki?"
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CSM
Frying Doom wrote:As to the forums they are part of the game to those of us used to that idea but alot of people would consider them external to the game. So I'll ask you again: why, pray tell, should we care about people who can't be arsed to spend even a minimum of effort in keeping up with current affairs in a game where the metagame is the premiere feature, where what other players do have the possibility to affect everyone else?
Frying Doom wrote:As to the rest the occasional for example quarterly CSM mail would be a good start, so would a blurb on the CSM as well as an abstain and vote button with it. A blurb on the CSM and an abstain and vote button? They'll ignore that, and they'll press abstain so they can get into the game quicker. Why should we care about such people?
Frying Doom wrote:Even mandatory participation in the electon process would not be a bad thing as it would mean players are giving up a minute of game time over an entire year to learn about what the CSM is and if they still do not care they just click abstain and go about there business for another 12 months. So in other words, you want to add more things which these guys can ignore, and still keep on whining about how they're not being heard/represented?
Okay, then.
Frying Doom wrote:The fact that 1/3 of 1% of the population can get someone on to our players representatives council is obscene. The fact people can blatantly remain ignorant about something as important as the CSM, when the information is in their face for weeks, then whine up a storm when some minor change isn't banned by the omnipotent CSM which they didn't vote for, is what's obscene. |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:08:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Chuck Norris? sounds American.
If folk do not avail themselves of the opportuntiy to vote, they are not entitled to an ingame opinion on which direction the game takes.
The act of voting gives one the right to whinge or praise as one sees fit. If they know what they are not voting for. My main want is for the in-game only players to be educated enough to make an informed decision as to whether or not they want to vote. After they are informed and decide not to vote....Well then they can just shut up and sit down. How do you propose we forcefully educate those who really just don't care enough to figure things out for themselves? At the very least, they could, I don't know, ask someone else what the CSM is. There's a Help chat in game that I hang out in, for example, and last election cycle we got a lot of questions as to what the CSM was. Who knows how many of those people voted once they found out? I have pretty much answered this but it is rather simple once a year force up a blurb with 2 big buttons abstain and vote if they abstain, well they abstained with at least the knowledge of what they abstained about. so about 1 minute interruption once a year at voting time.
As to helping them selves, I have seen people in this thread who do not have a clue what the CSM is and that is in this thread. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:10:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:I have pretty much answered this but it is rather simple once a year force up a blurb with 2 big buttons abstain and vote if they abstain, well they abstained with at least the knowledge of what they abstained about. so about 1 minute interruption once a year at voting time. Are you sure about that? What about the EULA that says "you must scroll to the bottom to accept". Did you read it? Cause I admittedly did not. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:10:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:I have pretty much answered this but it is rather simple once a year force up a blurb with 2 big buttons abstain and vote if they abstain, well they abstained with at least the knowledge of what they abstained about. so about 1 minute interruption once a year at voting time. Do you, seriously, assume that a large majority of people will look for anything other than the button which'll get them into the game the quickest? |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:11:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote: The fact people can blatantly remain ignorant about something as important as the CSM, when the information is in their face for weeks, then whine up a storm when some minor change isn't banned by the omnipotent CSM which they didn't vote for, is what's obscene.
Ok I am not saying the forums are not powered by whine.
If after all that they ignore it then they ignore it and it at least we will know for a fact that we have a peasant class in EvE. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:12:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I have pretty much answered this but it is rather simple once a year force up a blurb with 2 big buttons abstain and vote if they abstain, well they abstained with at least the knowledge of what they abstained about. so about 1 minute interruption once a year at voting time. Are you sure about that? What about the EULA that says "you must scroll to the bottom to accept". Did you read it? Cause I admittedly did not. I believe they did a South Park episode about people like you Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:13:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote: The fact people can blatantly remain ignorant about something as important as the CSM, when the information is in their face for weeks, then whine up a storm when some minor change isn't banned by the omnipotent CSM which they didn't vote for, is what's obscene.
Ok I am not saying the forums are not powered by whine. If after all that they ignore it then they ignore it and it at least we will know for a fact that we have a peasant class in EvE. A peasant class which isn't held down by anyone except for themselves. |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:15:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:I have pretty much answered this but it is rather simple once a year force up a blurb with 2 big buttons abstain and vote if they abstain, well they abstained with at least the knowledge of what they abstained about. so about 1 minute interruption once a year at voting time. Do you, seriously, assume that a large majority of people will look for anything other than the button which'll get them into the game the quickest? A lot of them will and then we will have clear statistics as to how many fools play EvE.
At least this way the masses have the ability for easy education and if more actually participate the better for all of us. That and they can hardly use the "but I didn't know excuse" Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:15:00 -
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Many of the folk I know are fully aware of what the CSM is, but still do not care enough to vote. This is their right.
But when they complain about this or that, I tell them that if they voted , this or that might get fixed.
You want fries with that? |
Cutter Isaacson
Quantum Reality R n D GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:15:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote: The fact people can blatantly remain ignorant about something as important as the CSM, when the information is in their face for weeks, then whine up a storm when some minor change isn't banned by the omnipotent CSM which they didn't vote for, is what's obscene.
Ok I am not saying the forums are not powered by whine. If after all that they ignore it then they ignore it and it at least we will know for a fact that we have a peasant class in EvE.
Interesting that you have not responded to the points I made, and also extremely telling that you consider anyone who makes a conscious choice to NOT have anything to do with the forums or the CSM as a "peasant class".
Tell me again about this "missionary" work you are trying to do. My views are my own, not those of my Corp. or my Alliance. |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:16:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote: The fact people can blatantly remain ignorant about something as important as the CSM, when the information is in their face for weeks, then whine up a storm when some minor change isn't banned by the omnipotent CSM which they didn't vote for, is what's obscene.
Ok I am not saying the forums are not powered by whine. If after all that they ignore it then they ignore it and it at least we will know for a fact that we have a peasant class in EvE. A peasant class which isn't held down by anyone except for themselves. Exactly. Then they have no one to blame but them selves. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:17:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote: The fact people can blatantly remain ignorant about something as important as the CSM, when the information is in their face for weeks, then whine up a storm when some minor change isn't banned by the omnipotent CSM which they didn't vote for, is what's obscene.
Ok I am not saying the forums are not powered by whine. If after all that they ignore it then they ignore it and it at least we will know for a fact that we have a peasant class in EvE. Interesting that you have not responded to the points I made, and also extremely telling that you consider anyone who makes a conscious choice to NOT have anything to do with the forums or the CSM as a "peasant class". Tell me again about this "missionary" work you are trying to do. I am an EvE Missionary so take the word of BoB or be beaten to death. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:18:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:A lot of them will and then we will have clear statistics as to how many fools play EvE. I'd postulate that we do have a clear statistic on "how many fools play eve": the exact number of people who didn't vote. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:19:00 -
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I consider myself to be one of Lenin's Lumpen Proletariat.
I aspire to be a peasant, preferably one of the Kulak class. You want fries with that? |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:19:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:A lot of them will and then we will have clear statistics as to how many fools play EvE. I'd postulate that we do have a clear statistic on "how many fools play eve": the exact number of people who didn't vote. Data is still a little fuzzy to me, I like clear and undeniable fool data. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:19:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote: The fact people can blatantly remain ignorant about something as important as the CSM, when the information is in their face for weeks, then whine up a storm when some minor change isn't banned by the omnipotent CSM which they didn't vote for, is what's obscene.
Ok I am not saying the forums are not powered by whine. If after all that they ignore it then they ignore it and it at least we will know for a fact that we have a peasant class in EvE. A peasant class which isn't held down by anyone except for themselves. Exactly. Then they have no one to blame but them selves. This is literally the situation we're in today, and yet they're blaming everyone else but themselves.
What does this tell you?
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admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:20:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Perhaps I'm too new/too oblivious, but I actually don't know anything about her.
She's anti-PvP, anti-goons, anti-risk, anti-everything-that-makes-Eve-what-it-is. If you'd like further reading, please make sure all your inoculations are up to date and have a look through the Jita park speakers corner sub-forum. |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:21:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I consider myself to be one of Lenin's Lumpen Proletariat.
I aspire to be a peasant, preferably one of the Kulak class. According to the political theory of Marxism-Leninism of the early 20th century, the kulaks were class enemies of the poorer peasants.[1] Vladimir Lenin described them as "bloodsuckers, vampires, plunderers of the people and profiteers, who fatten on famine.GÇ¥
Wikipedia always good. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Cutter Isaacson
Quantum Reality R n D GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:21:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote: The fact people can blatantly remain ignorant about something as important as the CSM, when the information is in their face for weeks, then whine up a storm when some minor change isn't banned by the omnipotent CSM which they didn't vote for, is what's obscene.
Ok I am not saying the forums are not powered by whine. If after all that they ignore it then they ignore it and it at least we will know for a fact that we have a peasant class in EvE. A peasant class which isn't held down by anyone except for themselves. Exactly. Then they have no one to blame but them selves.
Which is exactly what everyone has been trying to get you to understand. Well done. My views are my own, not those of my Corp. or my Alliance. |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:23:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:
What does this tell you?
Make sure they are educated in what they are not voting on. Then sneer at the peasants. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:24:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote: The fact people can blatantly remain ignorant about something as important as the CSM, when the information is in their face for weeks, then whine up a storm when some minor change isn't banned by the omnipotent CSM which they didn't vote for, is what's obscene.
Ok I am not saying the forums are not powered by whine. If after all that they ignore it then they ignore it and it at least we will know for a fact that we have a peasant class in EvE. A peasant class which isn't held down by anyone except for themselves. Exactly. Then they have no one to blame but them selves. Which is exactly what everyone has been trying to get you to understand. Well done. You apparently missed the "If after all that they ignore it"
Maybe you require re-education as well.
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:28:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Make sure they are educated in what they are not voting on. Then sneer at the peasants. EVE is a game which is famous for having a steep learning curve, educating yourself is part and parcel of the game. They haven't done so, so I don't see why we should expend even more energy "making sure" before we sneer at the peasantry. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:31:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I consider myself to be one of Lenin's Lumpen Proletariat.
I aspire to be a peasant, preferably one of the Kulak class. According to the political theory of Marxism-Leninism of the early 20th century, the kulaks were class enemies of the poorer peasants.[1] Vladimir Lenin described them as "bloodsuckers, vampires, plunderers of the people and profiteers, who fatten on famine.GÇ¥ Wikipedia always good.
Given the name of my character, you may safely assume I knew this You want fries with that? |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:32:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Make sure they are educated in what they are not voting on. Then sneer at the peasants. EVE is a game which is famous for having a steep learning curve, educating yourself is part and parcel of the game. They haven't done so, so I don't see why we should expend even more energy "making sure" before we sneer at the peasantry. Give the nature of the CSM I believe it is worth having as much player involvement in the elections as we can get.
At the moment it is too easy for a power block or a lone nutter to get someone elected onto the CSM. This need to be changed and a more representative council needs to come into being.
Note: Poetic Stanziel just release this blog on CSM7 http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/csm7-individual-impressions.html?spref=tw Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:33:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Which is exactly what everyone has been trying to get you to understand. Well done. You apparently missed the "If after all that they ignore it" Maybe you require re-education as well. How is that different from what has already happened? http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
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