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xxxak
Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.04.12 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: xxxak on 12/04/2011 23:34:17
tl;dr ISK nerfs make people more cautious, not less, that makes EVE less fun. ISK nerfs mean less pvp, not more.
First, I need to state that I love how dark and "real" EVE is. I genuinely like that you can lose ships and they are gone forever, and that pvp is usually non consensual. I also like that real adults and even professionals play this game.
That said, the latest nerf to isk production needs to be reconsidered.
Already, it was fairly hard to be a professional and find time to play EVE. Especially if you wanted the shiney toys.
With the 0.0 nerf, the risk-reward ratio in EVE fell apart. Unless I want to run level 4 missions, there is no longer a realistic way for a pilot to make money unless he is a hardcore indy guy or a super hardcore grinder. For many reasons, level 4 missions are sub optimal for experienced 0.0 players (boring, Empire, boring, war decs, etc).
EVE is in danger of pricing it self out of the market in terms of the risk players are willing to put up with in a game where losses are permanent.
I, for one, will now be purchasing 100% of my isk via GTC. Not everyone is in a position to do that... those people will cancel.
Finally, the solution to making EVE prosper is not to cut off the flow of ISK. The solution is to add real content to EVE, such as dungeons that only spawn in certain regions or types of systems, dungeons that are actually interesting to fight against (like sleepers), and so forth. They also need to get Incarna working, and soon. Finally, if they are trying to start fights in 0.0, there are better ways to do it than nerfing 90% of 0.0 space.
tl;dr ISK nerfs make people more cautious, not less, that makes EVE less fun. ISK nerfs mean less pvp, not more. Take a psych class CCP.
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Hieronimus Rex
Minmatar Infinitus Sapientia New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2011.04.12 23:35:00 -
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If you have a real job, you can just sell PLEX for ISK. If your implicit income in EVE from farming was higher than your income from your job, you don't have a real job.
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xxxak
Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.04.12 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Hieronimus Rex If you have a real job, you can just sell PLEX for ISK. If your implicit income in EVE from farming was higher than your income from your job, you don't have a real job.
Learn2Read.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.04.12 23:40:00 -
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You are wrong.
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xxxak
Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.04.12 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank You are wrong.
Use your words.. and explain.
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Gustav Knuttsen
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Posted - 2011.04.12 23:50:00 -
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+1
You are right. For me Eve online is falling ppl are really angry and they dont want to grind more and more in lack of content environment. CCP even nerfed DED-Sites spawning ratio.. GTC is not option. Maybe CCP should make this game Real money based lol :).. anyway .. For me they should to delete PLEX. Day when PLEX was announced was last good day. Dalete plex and make this game subscription based like it was before and was cool !
In such a speed of nerfing stuff in the next year only splash screen will stay :)
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Araviel
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2011.04.12 23:55:00 -
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carbears should stay away from pvp.
when it took me a month to collect for a battleship it was fun taking it out in battle because the rush it gaved me, nowdays everyone can throw them around like garbage. even supercaps isnt a issue if you loose a few.
MAXSuicide> Araviels bat is even more powerful than the nerf bat.
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xxxak
Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.04.13 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Araviel carbears should stay away from pvp.
when it took me a month to collect for a battleship it was fun taking it out in battle because the rush it gaved me, nowdays everyone can throw them around like garbage. even supercaps isnt a issue if you loose a few.
Most people in EVE are at least somewhat carebears. Carebears supply the tears. No Carebears, no tears = no fun for anyone.
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Araviel
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2011.04.13 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: xxxak
Originally by: Araviel carbears should stay away from pvp.
when it took me a month to collect for a battleship it was fun taking it out in battle because the rush it gaved me, nowdays everyone can throw them around like garbage. even supercaps isnt a issue if you loose a few.
Most people in EVE are at least somewhat carebears. Carebears supply the tears. No Carebears, no tears = no fun for anyone.
carebears to me are people who are not willing to accept risk. having this great ISK influx that you all 0.0 bears are whining so much about getting nerfed equals that, risk free pvp
MAXSuicide> Araviels bat is even more powerful than the nerf bat.
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.04.13 00:13:00 -
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Yeah cause real PVPers dont have mining/production/missioning alts to make the money to fund those "real" PVP chars rite? -------- Dammit, they killed the post where Sreegs says personal attacks are against the rules. I wanted to lol at him for that |
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xxxak
Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.04.13 00:13:00 -
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Edited by: xxxak on 13/04/2011 00:13:18
Originally by: Araviel
Originally by: xxxak
Originally by: Araviel carbears should stay away from pvp.
when it took me a month to collect for a battleship it was fun taking it out in battle because the rush it gaved me, nowdays everyone can throw them around like garbage. even supercaps isnt a issue if you loose a few.
Most people in EVE are at least somewhat carebears. Carebears supply the tears. No Carebears, no tears = no fun for anyone.
carebears to me are people who are not willing to accept risk. having this great ISK influx that you all 0.0 bears are whining so much about getting nerfed equals that, risk free pvp
Let me try to explain it to you more slowly.
More ISK = even bears are willing to fight, at least sometimes.
Less ISK = a lot fewer people can afford to fight. So they either quit the game or move to empire. End result is less fun.
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Gustav Knuttsen
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Posted - 2011.04.13 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Araviel
Originally by: xxxak
Originally by: Araviel carbears should stay away from pvp.
when it took me a month to collect for a battleship it was fun taking it out in battle because the rush it gaved me, nowdays everyone can throw them around like garbage. even supercaps isnt a issue if you loose a few.
Most people in EVE are at least somewhat carebears. Carebears supply the tears. No Carebears, no tears = no fun for anyone.
carebears to me are people who are not willing to accept risk. having this great ISK influx that you all 0.0 bears are whining so much about getting nerfed equals that, risk free pvp
WTF are you talking about girl ? We are not talking about loosing anything ... Geeee... We are talking here about ISK making for PVP and other stuff.. And you are shooting with carebears ? WTF ? Im 0.0 based pilot fighting for PvP alliance so WTF ? ISKies are not growing on trees ***ch
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Araviel
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2011.04.13 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Gustav Knuttsen
Originally by: Araviel
Originally by: xxxak
Originally by: Araviel carbears should stay away from pvp.
when it took me a month to collect for a battleship it was fun taking it out in battle because the rush it gaved me, nowdays everyone can throw them around like garbage. even supercaps isnt a issue if you loose a few.
Most people in EVE are at least somewhat carebears. Carebears supply the tears. No Carebears, no tears = no fun for anyone.
carebears to me are people who are not willing to accept risk. having this great ISK influx that you all 0.0 bears are whining so much about getting nerfed equals that, risk free pvp
WTF are you talking about girl ? We are not talking about loosing anything ... Geeee... We are talking here about ISK making for PVP and other stuff.. And you are shooting with carebears ? WTF ? Im 0.0 based pilot fighting for PvP alliance so WTF ? ISKies are not growing on trees ***ch
I don't agree and i think that isk really is growing on trees these days. i think you are behaving like spoiled brats and i wish that there where more people who remembered how EVE used to be like. it was "hard" but we did still pvp, however conflicts actually meant something.
MAXSuicide> Araviels bat is even more powerful than the nerf bat.
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sableye
principle of motion
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Posted - 2011.04.13 00:26:00 -
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if you struggle to make isk fly a cruiser. ----------------------------------------- View The North Star! In All Its Glory!!
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.04.13 00:29:00 -
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Cap Recharger II's should be 25m isk again. Covert-Ops cloaks should be 80m isk again. etc...
Also.
Real content in eve should be provided by the playerbase, not CCP.
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Irani Firecam
Gallente Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.04.13 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: Araviel I don't agree and i think that isk really is growing on trees these days. i think you are behaving like spoiled brats and i wish that there where more people who remembered how EVE used to be like. it was "hard" but we did still pvp, however conflicts actually meant something.
Post with your main character then.
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Gustav Knuttsen
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Posted - 2011.04.13 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
Real content in eve should be provided by the playerbase, not CCP.
Muhahaha what content ? 3D models ? Missions ? Plexes ? Or maybe Incarna ? BIG LOL for you sister hahaha
/me is starting to model new station in 3dsmax !!! Anyone for texturing ? Need some help here ! Im making playerbased content. LOL.. ppl are stupid
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Gustav Knuttsen
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Posted - 2011.04.13 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: sableye if you struggle to make isk fly a cruiser.
lol.. yeah lets fly frigates... Einstein !!! bravo for that guy !
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Irani Firecam
Gallente Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.04.13 00:51:00 -
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I hear noobships are free, and they come fully equipped with weapons too.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.04.13 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Gustav Knuttsen
Originally by: Lady Spank
Real content in eve should be provided by the playerbase, not CCP.
Muhahaha what content ? 3D models ? Missions ? Plexes ? Or maybe Incarna ? BIG LOL for you sister hahaha
/me is starting to model new station in 3dsmax !!! Anyone for texturing ? Need some help here ! Im making playerbased content. LOL.. ppl are stupid
That is not 'content' but feel free to carry on being an imbecile.
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Gustav Knuttsen
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Posted - 2011.04.13 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Araviel
I don't agree and i think that isk really is growing on trees these days. i think you are behaving like spoiled brats and i wish that there where more people who remembered how EVE used to be like. it was "hard" but we did still pvp, however conflicts actually meant something.
So where is your's Main ? :) - doing missions ? hehe
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Araviel
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2011.04.13 00:59:00 -
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Edited by: Araviel on 13/04/2011 00:59:48
this is my main.
MAXSuicide> Araviels bat is even more powerful than the nerf bat.
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2011.04.13 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: xxxak Finally, the solution to making EVE prosper is not to cut off the flow of ISK. The solution is to add real content to EVE, such as dungeons that only spawn in certain regions or types of systems, dungeons that are actually interesting to fight against (like sleepers), and so forth. They also need to get Incarna working, and soon. Finally, if they are trying to start fights in 0.0, there are better ways to do it than nerfing 90% of 0.0 space.
This conclusion is a non sequitor. It does not follow from anything else presented in your post. -- Did you know there's an alliance who's name you're not allowed to say, or website you're not allowed to link? |
Gustav Knuttsen
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Posted - 2011.04.13 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
That is not 'content' but feel free to carry on being an imbecile.
Its not ? Well so im wrong ... LOL
FYI
The word "content" is often used colloquially to refer to media. However, content is more accurately used as a specific a term in that it means the contents of the medium rather than the medium itself. Likewise, the single word "media" and some compound words that include "media" (e.g. multimedia, hypermedia) are instead referring to a type of content. An example of a type of content commonly referred to as a type of media is a "motion picture" referred to as "a film." The distinction between medium and content is less clear when referring to interactive elements that contain information and are then contained in interactive media, such as dice contained in board games or GUI widgets contained in software.
Anyway babe you burn burn burn :) hehe
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Kain De'Stroi
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2011.04.13 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Araviel Edited by: Araviel on 13/04/2011 00:59:48
this is my main.
this is one of my 9 alts, posting to make myself look good,
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sableye
principle of motion
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Posted - 2011.04.13 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Irani Firecam I hear noobships are free, and they come fully equipped with weapons too.
not fully equiped since they only have 1 weapon and other slot is for mining laser. ----------------------------------------- View The North Star! In All Its Glory!!
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Irani Firecam
Gallente Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.04.13 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: sableye
Originally by: Irani Firecam I hear noobships are free, and they come fully equipped with weapons too.
not fully equiped since they only have 1 weapon and other slot is for mining laser.
Two different types of weapons = more targets to shoot.
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2011.04.13 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank Cap Recharger II's should be 25m isk again. Covert-Ops cloaks should be 80m isk again. etc...
Also.
Real content in eve should be provided by the playerbase, not CCP.
"Hi, I have lots of SP and ISK and should get an i-win button. Also, something about content creation that does not make sense."
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sableye
principle of motion
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Posted - 2011.04.13 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Irani Firecam
Originally by: sableye
Originally by: Irani Firecam I hear noobships are free, and they come fully equipped with weapons too.
not fully equiped since they only have 1 weapon and other slot is for mining laser.
Two different types of weapons = more targets to shoot.
you win ----------------------------------------- View The North Star! In All Its Glory!!
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ZenSun
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Posted - 2011.04.13 02:04:00 -
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Duh...
Take away one's means of making ISK and your profiting from the typical customer profile; adults with spare money.
Hardly groundbreaking logic, CCP know this
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