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Ukrane Bob
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.01 19:08:00 -
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Sounds like someone didn't do the tutorials.. or at least read through them as they did them. No matter what you end up flying you have to train for it. I don't mean just the pre req's for the skill either.
If your looking for instant gratification from EVE then your looking in the wrong place. It takes time and patience to learn the ropes of the game. Some folks like that. Some folks don't. If you're one of those that don't then perhaps your time would have been better spent trying to look elsewhere for another game instead of crying on the forums to CCP about your lack of "fun". I like to **** people off.. Get Over it.. Adapt .. Survive! |
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
92
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Posted - 2012.09.01 19:13:00 -
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Verity Sovereign wrote:Has it never occurred to him that this is a multiplayer game and he probably could have gotten some help by asking in local?
While it will eventually becomes easy to solo these missions, Verity hit the nail on the head. Ask someone in local chat to help you out with that last rat, or better, ask someone in local to do missions with you. That kind of interaction is how you find your way into player corporations, which in general is a good thing.
One further note, unlike other games like WoW, you don't level up by doing missions. While you will gain standings, you will not necessarily be ready for the tougher missions if you go it alone. Do missions in groups, use voice chat, you'll breeze through a bunch that way. If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg |
Selinate
982
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Posted - 2012.09.01 19:14:00 -
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First mistake: You did a mission. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2001
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Posted - 2012.09.01 19:17:00 -
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What a nob Gÿ+/ /Gûî /n++ \ -áThis is Bob, post him into your forum sig and help him conquer the forums. |
Togg Bott
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
50
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Posted - 2012.09.01 19:20:00 -
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1) EvE is a MMO, ask and you'll find a shitload of prople willing to help you
2) people in this thread are giving you sound advice, read it and try to apply it
3) join a corp with a ready supply of people to help you
4) ?????????
5) Profit
6) otherwise http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q |
Korgan Nailo
5ER3NITY INC Apocalypse Now.
21
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Posted - 2012.09.01 19:27:00 -
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Draze,
First of all, welcome to EvE, not in a sarcastic way, just simply welcome to the game.
What you're experiencing is the oh so known "brick wall" learning curve of EvE. There is just SOOOOO much to know before you actually do ANYTHING properly, and then there is also the training.
Coming into to the game without a "mentor" or someone who will give you the first steps is hard, very hard.
Most of the new players tend to think that a bigger hull (going to a cruiser in your case), or a bigger gun is better, and that is not always the case. Just one of the many ideas we don't get right at first.
After being an EvE player for more than a year, I think the best advice I can give you is: join EvE University.
http://www.eveuniversity.org
First and foremost, you'll be part of one of the most warm and welcoming corps and actually I'll go a step further and call that a "community" that will help you learn the game, help with ISK costs for skill books, introduce you to PvP with ISK support and so much more.
Then, in EvE University, you'll find classes, pages and pages of information about pretty much any topic. You don't need to be a member of EvE University to attend the classes, or to download the video and audio files available from their classes:
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Eve_University_Class_Library
If I may, I would suggest you to start listening to this class: EvE Careers 101: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/EVE_Careers_101 . Check the Class Library for an audio file you can listen to.
Trust me, I could dwell into a LOT of topics, why you most likely did a bad fit, didn't know about the impact of damage types against this or that kind of NPC, optimal, fall off, tracking, tanking, repairers, why you should never ever ever used a plate (1600mm) for missioning, and so on.
But contrary to that, I would kindly ask you to step through that EvE University door, and give it a try. You might find that the game is not so hard as you think, and that maybe, just maybe, you may like it a LOT a few weeks from now.
EvE is not a game for the first month, it is a game for the next years to come. =)
Cheers, and GL. |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
525
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Posted - 2012.09.01 19:43:00 -
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Korgan Nailo wrote:I would kindly ask you to step through that EvE University door, and give it a try. You might find that the game is not so hard as you think, and that maybe, just maybe, you may like it a LOT a few weeks from now.
A buddy of mine attempted to join EVE University and after his interview was apparently rejected with no reason given, so you might wanna be prepared for that I guess. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
783
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Posted - 2012.09.01 19:57:00 -
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I am guessing the guy ran off to join the others in Goldshire. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Abannan
Moira. Villore Accords
25
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Posted - 2012.09.01 20:03:00 -
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Fit a MWD? |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
816
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Posted - 2012.09.01 20:26:00 -
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Korgan Nailo wrote:Draze, First of all, welcome to EvE, not in a sarcastic way, just simply welcome to the game. What you're experiencing is the oh so known "brick wall" learning curve of EvE. There is just SOOOOO much to know before you actually do ANYTHING properly, and then there is also the training. Coming into to the game without a "mentor" or someone who will give you the first steps is hard, very hard. Most of the new players tend to think that a bigger hull (going to a cruiser in your case), or a bigger gun is better, and that is not always the case. Just one of the many ideas we don't get right at first. After being an EvE player for more than a year, I think the best advice I can give you is: join EvE University. http://www.eveuniversity.orgFirst and foremost, you'll be part of one of the most warm and welcoming corps and actually I'll go a step further and call that a "community" that will help you learn the game, help with ISK costs for skill books, introduce you to PvP with ISK support and so much more. Then, in EvE University, you'll find classes, pages and pages of information about pretty much any topic. You don't need to be a member of EvE University to attend the classes, or to download the video and audio files available from their classes: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Eve_University_Class_LibraryIf I may, I would suggest you to start listening to this class: EvE Careers 101: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/EVE_Careers_101 . Check the Class Library for an audio file you can listen to. I could dwell into a lot of topics, why you most likely did a bad fit, didn't know about the impact of damage types against this or that kind of NPC, optimal, fall off, tracking, tanking, repairers, capacitor, why you should never ever ever used a plate (1600mm) for missioning, and so on. But contrary to that, I would kindly ask you to step through that EvE University door, and give it a try. You might find that the game is not so hard as you think, and that maybe, just maybe, you may like it a LOT a few weeks from now. EvE is not a game for the first month, it is a game for the next years to come. =) Cheers, and GL.
The decency and maturity of this post has shocked me
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Garreth Vlox
Blackened Skies The Unthinkables
105
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Posted - 2012.09.01 20:36:00 -
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Draze Vetlok wrote: It matched speed away from me keeping me at 40km, and my drones could only go to 30km. Two choices, train and wait, or quit and do other missions.
and then there's option 3, get a boat that can shoot that far. The LULZ Boat. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
111
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Posted - 2012.09.01 20:42:00 -
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Erm your story makes eve pve sound quite good and varied (which its not once you learn the basics). Do you want all the rats to just sit and die or something? In any case level 2 missions are designed for frigs and destroyers which are generally faster than the rats and have no problem keeping them in range.
Still you can learn some things from what you have done, which is the whole point really.
First being able to keep an enemy within your range is the most important thing in eve. Second you can in fact change ships whenever you like, there was nothing stopping you jumping in a frig to kill that kiting moa was there? Third weapon to target size is the second most important thing in eve (after the range thing you already learned). Small weapons find it easiest to hit small ships and so on. Fourthly adding more armour is kinda pointless in mission, you want to repair faster instead. If you can't repair as much as you are losing you will eventually die unless you kill all the rats first.
So basically these missions taught you several of eves key elements in a short amount of time, great.
The problem here is that you are taught all of these elements except for the fourth (which is just logic) in the tutorial missions on day 1, so clearly you weren't paying attention or you just didn't do them.
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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
111
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Posted - 2012.09.01 20:43:00 -
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Garreth Vlox wrote:Draze Vetlok wrote: It matched speed away from me keeping me at 40km, and my drones could only go to 30km. Two choices, train and wait, or quit and do other missions.
and then there's option 3, get a boat that can shoot that far. Or is faster than the rat.
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
510
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Posted - 2012.09.01 21:45:00 -
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My old corp used to get folk to go Agony Unleashed for pvp lessons. You want fries with that? |
Red Teufel
Blackened Skies The Unthinkables
72
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Posted - 2012.09.01 21:50:00 -
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do em with friends m8. don't solo through the game, that's boring. most of the content is "Player" driven ;) |
Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
90
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Posted - 2012.09.01 22:43:00 -
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i agree on the commends before me eve is a patience game so if you play like every day 10 hours like you do in wow well then you will indeed found the lack of skills very fast. I think you right in the other hand but not for the main problem. The lack of sp point or skills that you need to "progress" your way to higher npc agents is for to take some time to do other stuff there is more than farming npc agents all the time. Just ask here and there in local corps or forum to join up and do more than farming good luck cadet |
Mars Theran
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
266
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Posted - 2012.09.01 22:49:00 -
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Did anyone else notice he fit a Quad Laser and a Beam laser? Sadly, as cool as the Quad laser is, it really does appear to be useless, and certainly, you shouldn't be pairing it with a Beam laser on anything.
Actually, putting lasers on an Arbi is sort of weird to begin with. Drones, Neuts, ABs, MWDs, New Drone fittings might be cool, (haven't looked at these yet), and ASB. ..little joke there. Should be fit for a reasonable armor or shield tank though, depending on what you want to give up. I have deleted and cleared my signature 7 times and it still won't go away. |
Gorinia Sanford
Sons of Russ
52
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Posted - 2012.09.01 23:10:00 -
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Draze Vetlok wrote:Here is the entire problem...two people have already jumped on and waved the finger at me...
The idea of having a drone carrier, making it armoured and sitting back while drones fight is plausible in theory...if I hadn't chosen that path I would have the Maller by now, and not have experienced this...
Shoot, bring friends! Missions are more fun, in my very biased opinion, with friends and corpmates.
And...
Quote: I hope you stick it out & tread water because in 2-4 months you'll be swimming laps
What Darth here said is so very true. I'm at the 5 month mark in Eve and hitting my stride. In fact, I do believe I need to log in tonight as I finish mining drones 5 (FINALLY!). I chose the indy path and trained to get my Hulk (and then the barge changes came, but that's another story). That's not to say that I can't fly combat ships. Here and there I trained ancillary skills. I can fly battlecruisers and Amarr T2 industrials, have some gunnery and missile skills. Oh and quite a bit of time into drone skills as well.
Stick with it, it'll get better. And whoever suggested using afterburners was right on the mark. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
252
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Posted - 2012.09.01 23:15:00 -
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You complain that the lvl 2 are to hard, someone reccomends you do lvl 1's untill you have better skills. You say they are to easy and you want a challenge.
You're complaining about lvl 2's effectively being to challenging for what you're trying to do, but you don't want to do lvl 1's because they're to easy and you want a challenge.
Other's give you advice, reccomending you use something that you didn't even say you were using in the OP, you give a **** responce about the community when someone gives you a really polite bit of adviced entirely based on what you stated in your OP.
You continue on being a ****, ignoring everything anyone has to say, and instead focussing on complaining that it's the game.
At this point I think it's only fair to tell you to **** off. |
Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
120
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Posted - 2012.09.01 23:19:00 -
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Gorinia Sanford wrote:Draze Vetlok wrote:Here is the entire problem...two people have already jumped on and waved the finger at me...
The idea of having a drone carrier, making it armoured and sitting back while drones fight is plausible in theory...if I hadn't chosen that path I would have the Maller by now, and not have experienced this... Shoot, bring friends! Missions are more fun, in my very biased opinion, with friends and corpmates. And... Quote: I hope you stick it out & tread water because in 2-4 months you'll be swimming laps What Darth here said is so very true. I'm at the 5 month mark in Eve and hitting my stride. In fact, I do believe I need to log in tonight as I finish mining drones 5 (FINALLY!). I chose the indy path and trained to get my Hulk (and then the barge changes came, but that's another story). That's not to say that I can't fly combat ships. Here and there I trained ancillary skills. I can fly battlecruisers and Amarr T2 industrials, have some gunnery and missile skills. Oh and quite a bit of time into drone skills as well. Stick with it, it'll get better. And whoever suggested using afterburners was right on the mark.
I'd suggest a slightly different approach. Decide what you want to do and focus your training in that as a new player. After you get comfortable with one task and have the necessary skills trained for it, then branch it somethIng else...
That is my opinion though, but I feel it is better to a master of one then a jack of all. "The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |
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Ceame Pea
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.01 23:23:00 -
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you might want to go back to CoD or WoW. This game clearly isn't for the likes of you.
kthxbyebye |
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
148
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Posted - 2012.09.01 23:35:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Draze Vetlok wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Might I suggest doing some more level 1 missions while you get your skills up higher? No challenge in level 1 missions...I would have thought that wouldn't have needed pointing out... If you want a challenge, stop looking for it in PvE. If you want a challenge, go play Ghosts & Goblins or Gradius.
Way to be a free thinker Pea. It is the greatest inequality to try to make unequal things equal. |
The Djentleman Paulson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
39
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Posted - 2012.09.01 23:57:00 -
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YES I LIEK EVE BECAUSE IT ARE HARD TO GAMEPLAY WELL
THANK YOU TEST ALLIANCE FOR TEACH ME HOW DO EVE |
Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
120
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Posted - 2012.09.01 23:59:00 -
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The Djentleman Paulson wrote:YES I LIEK EVE BECAUSE IT ARE HARD TO GAMEPLAY WELL
THANK YOU TEST ALLIANCE FOR TEACH ME HOW DO EVE
Lmao!
Caps made that perfect! "The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |
Orbelea
Perpetuum Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.09.02 00:04:00 -
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I never whined or complained about the difficulty when I started playing and that was a long time ago, usually made me spend more time researching fittings and asking questions, joining a corp helps a great deal. Some good corp mates may offer to help you out if you are having trouble finishing a mission. |
Piugattuk
CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES
35
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Posted - 2012.09.02 03:25:00 -
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you could go caldari ships its easier for newer players and pve so try a caracal and you'll hit over 50km out, problem solved. |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
1425
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Posted - 2012.09.02 03:29:00 -
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Draze Vetlok wrote:I think I have found another reason why new players quit the game. Take this experience of mine (been playing a month).
I was saving to buy a Maller, when I noticed the Arbitrator was cheaper and has a very large drone bay. So I read a guide about drones that told me about bandwidths, ranges, etc...
So I bought the Arbitrator, fitted out with Hammerhead 1 drones, beam laser, quad laser and salvager; and started up on level 2 missions.
My first mission took me up against a bunch of ships. I destroyed all but one, which turned out to be a cruiser (Moa type) with a love of missiles.
It matched speed away from me keeping me at 40km, and my drones could only go to 30km. Two choices, train and wait, or quit and do other missions.
I choose to quit and took other missions.
I then got a mission where I had to destroy more pirates. So off I go and destroy all but one frigate (Merlin type). This one frigate kept at 16km range and I could only hit it with my beam laser, while my 4 Hammerheads kept flying around it doing nowt.
I got on the help channel and was told to use light scout.
So I go back to base, grab some light scout drones (acolytes and hobgoblins), and after a drawn out boring battle, destroy it.
I now have a mixture of medium and light drones in my hanger.
I take another mission, whereby I activate a warp gate and appear in the middle of a disco...no, not a disco, those are a hell of a lot of lasers...on me...I warp out and away from about 7 ships which have torn down to my hull in seconds.
I quit that mission and I go buy 1600mm, boosting my armour from around 1800 to 6000. I have to lose the beam laser as a result.
I then take another mission...hey it's exactly like the one against the Merlin. I destroy all the other ships with ease, except now I don't have a beam laser, but that's okay I have 4 drones on it....hmm, except after 4 minutes they've only just got half its shields down...well, hopefully when the shields are down they'll tear through it...except suddenly the enemy frigates start regenerating and in no time its back to full shield strength.
In disgust I fly back to base, where I could re-quip, but instead quit the mission...then decide to write this...
Looking back I wish I had bought the Maller...
Also I can't help but want to state the obvious...CCP - is this your idea of fun?
If you want instant gratification, go find a weak free to play/pay to win game where you can just kill everything all day long from day one. Otherwise take the time to train skills up, or make some friends to play with and mission with them. |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
534
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Posted - 2012.09.02 03:31:00 -
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After a week of reading up on ship fittings, tactics, doing tutorials, etc I find it hard to believe anyone who hasn't cut corners and knows what they're doing would find pve content difficult.
pvp content on the other hand...... "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2003
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Posted - 2012.09.02 03:40:00 -
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I wish I had quit, now I can't
Well I can, I've quit like 3 times already Gÿ+/ /Gûî /n++ \ -áThis is Bob, post him into your forum sig and help him conquer the forums. |
Lord Arakkis
Vestige of Vehemence Dragon Swarm Dynasty
45
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Posted - 2012.09.02 03:50:00 -
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Only thing I can say OP, and honestly trying not to be a dbag about it, but for all the things that you said went wrong in the mission, I can think of as many things you could have done to make things much easier on you.
I think ship selection had some part to play in it, but there are unknowns in this equation that need to be figured out.
Did you have a webifier on? These can assist in your drones being able to put dps on a ship. The slower the ship, the better your drones hit. I especially do this as I use heavy drones which are really slow.
Were you able to warp into the site at range? Or was there an acceleration gate before the fight? At times (very rare) i will go on a mission where im a lil on edge about what to expect (mainly if the reward and bonus are high, tells you that a fight is on your hands)and whenever this happens, i always warp in at about 70 km to see what im up against as opposed to warping into the middle of a hornets nest.
I can go on. But in all honesty, if this is what makes players quit the game...there own inability to adapt, then EVE is the better for it. Unless of course, you are the type who likes easy squishy things to explode...then we need the not so smart people! Your still a child in the eyes of the universe |
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