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Sigras
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Posted - 2011.04.21 10:28:00 -
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Edited by: Sigras on 21/04/2011 10:28:10 I had this same idea . . . in fact the mineral I had in mind was nocxium, and guess what? it basically happened.
everyone and their brother has ABCM in any sec of 0.0 and thats basically all they mine, so the people in crappy true sec went from mining dark ochre and hermorphite to mining arkonor and bistot and guess what happened? the price of nocxium went through the freaking roof!
Now I guess you could exacerbate the situation by reducing/removing the hermorphite and dark ochre from the low true sec areas but we havent seen a rise in low sec mining so much as a huge freaking price spike, and I dont expect that to change any time soon.
0.0 will always be safer because you can bubble the gates
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Ravenal
The Fated E.Y
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Posted - 2011.04.21 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sigras 0.0 will always be safer because you can bubble the gates
There is another aspect of low sec that makes it not as save. There just aren't that many low sec systems - this means that even though there aren't that many pilots in low sec it's a lot more populated than null sec. More people = more chances of conflict.
But you are absolutely correct. It takes time to react to hostiles and the fact that you can't bubble, you have more people flying around (people that are just passing through) and people actively looking to gank someone ... all means that low sec requires a lot more energy to manage. It's riskier AND less rewarding.
Where is the sense in that? .
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ka'Sin
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Posted - 2011.04.21 17:03:00 -
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Interesting Idea. Maybe clones should be player-made and the materials should come from lowsec.
/ka
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Starfall Achura
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Posted - 2011.04.21 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kerrakus
Yea Great Idea! you all need miners to come to low-sec so you can gank them more easily because you all to damn wussy to fight a challenge. That has always been the problem. Nobody wants to lose. So pick on the miners?
If you idiots all want to fight so badly go there and do it already! Bad bad idea!
I don't think that is the case at all. Certainly that was not why I suggested this. If you make a mineral exclusive to low-sec and it MUST be obtained for an industry task you would see a dramatic change in the Eve dynamic.
Lets use ship building as an example: if you need a mineral to make a ship and this mineral is exclsive to low sec someone has to go get it. It will be mining ship or small fleet at first. Of course it will be ganked at the first oppurtunity. On this we agree. If this happens too often the mineral price will sky rocket. Players will still demand more ships so what will happen?
As is alway the case, the player base will take corrective action. The next time the pirates come to town and try to disrupt he aquisition of a VITAL commodity they may find a large fleet of foward thinking players waiting to liberate them from their pods or die trying. Why is this a win?
*Low sec becomes vital- it is no longer 0.0 light. It has its own identity.
*Miners become an asset- to be protected or exploited depending on your proclivities. Right now they are just prey and get absolutely no respect or credit for the service they provide.
*Pirates get their wish, there are more players in their systems.
*Pvp minded non-pirates get their fill
Issues:
*Sec status- the pirates will alwyas have the drop on non-pirates unless they are flashy. There is no way to be proactive.
*Market instability- for a time until things get sorted out. However, isnt that the way the world works? Every time there is a problem in the middle east oil prices go sky high. Well.. blow up too many mining fleets and you will pay through the nose the next time you try to by a ship.
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Kerrakus
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Posted - 2011.04.21 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Starfall Achura
Originally by: Kerrakus
Yea Great Idea! you all need miners to come to low-sec so you can gank them more easily because you all to damn wussy to fight a challenge. That has always been the problem. Nobody wants to lose. So pick on the miners?
If you idiots all want to fight so badly go there and do it already! Bad bad idea!
I don't think that is the case at all. Certainly that was not why I suggested this. If you make a mineral exclusive to low-sec and it MUST be obtained for an industry task you would see a dramatic change in the Eve dynamic.
Lets use ship building as an example: if you need a mineral to make a ship and this mineral is exclsive to low sec someone has to go get it. It will be mining ship or small fleet at first. Of course it will be ganked at the first oppurtunity. On this we agree. If this happens too often the mineral price will sky rocket. Players will still demand more ships so what will happen?
As is alway the case, the player base will take corrective action. The next time the pirates come to town and try to disrupt he aquisition of a VITAL commodity they may find a large fleet of foward thinking players waiting to liberate them from their pods or die trying. Why is this a win?
*Low sec becomes vital- it is no longer 0.0 light. It has its own identity.
*Miners become an asset- to be protected or exploited depending on your proclivities. Right now they are just prey and get absolutely no respect or credit for the service they provide.
*Pirates get their wish, there are more players in their systems.
*Pvp minded non-pirates get their fill
Issues:
*Sec status- the pirates will alwyas have the drop on non-pirates unless they are flashy. There is no way to be proactive.
*Market instability- for a time until things get sorted out. However, isnt that the way the world works? Every time there is a problem in the middle east oil prices go sky high. Well.. blow up too many mining fleets and you will pay through the nose the next time you try to by a ship.
As is alway the case, the player base will take corrective action. Miners become an asset-?????
Dude your smoking crack if you think anyone is going to give a rats ass about miners. There whole system wide events around ganking them...Yall can't get enough! The more the merrier.
Do us all a favor experiment with the pvpers, I have Another fantastic IDEA! from now on only pvp fittings ships and e****pment can be bought and sold in low sec!
Youll get some activity now!
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Alaric T'Sun
Minmatar Aphelion T'Sun
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Posted - 2011.04.21 21:12:00 -
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I really support this idea.
I think you could expand it such that each region has a specific mineral type exclusive to it and high sec should also get a mineral exclusive to it (trit for certain).
It would force more transportation and really diversify the mineral market.
But I'm also all for making the areas between empires into lowsec and then locking out the non-industrial ships. Why? Applying real world politics, the US might be 100% cool with a giant Chinese tanker docking and unloading cargo, but would we really be all that awesome with an Aircraft Carrier chugging up the Mississippi to dock in St. Louis? Then goods from one Empire would become rare in others, again pushing up prices but more importantly, there would be a HUGE need for merc corps drifting between the empires as escorts. Or for corporations to set up and police certain areas in exchange for gate fees.
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Danika Princip
Minmatar Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.04.21 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Alaric T'Sun
But I'm also all for making the areas between empires into lowsec and then locking out the non-industrial ships. Why?
because you are dumb?
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Xylorn Hasher
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Posted - 2011.04.22 07:37:00 -
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Great idea +1.
I would like to see what a GM's are thinking bout this idea. Lowsec needs to be fixed. At present there is no reason for a carebear to enter low as ISK / risk and ISK / hour ratios in hisec are too great.
Hisec should be a starting area and trading place for players not the place to live and make huge profits without a risk.
Hisec needs to be nerfed !!!
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Yanshee
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Posted - 2011.04.22 08:26:00 -
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I like the idea. I'm not sure whether it's better to have a mineral which is ONLY in low-sec or BOTH low-sec and 0.0... I can imagine the big power blocks extending more impressively into low-sec regions to have access to this mineral.
I can't imagine this would be a very good thing if you want DIVERSITY between 0.0>LOW>HIGH. I fear 0.0 and low-sec would start to look a lot more similar.
Perhaps if the mineral is indeed PREVALENT in low-sec, OBTAINABLE in nul and NOT PRESENT in high-sec? This would encourage people to come to low-sec FROM HIGH-SEC as opposed to FROM NUL-SEC perhaps?
I noticed the comment regarding us pirates simply wanting more easy targets in low-sec and much as this is always true it's not the driving force here I don't believe. We who live in low-sec (I split my time between nul and low) don't feel the dynamic is right here.
We want people coming to low-sec but we'd enjoy the challenge of dealing with organised, scouted, paranoid, cloaky and bait-stinking miners. The comment about miners becoming an 'asset' might be far-fetched or somewhat optimistic in terms of the general EVE population but what I think we would see is corps, especially those who mix PVP and industry, running mining ops into low-sec which have a high emphasis on protection and confrontation. The Corps and Alliances which live in HIGH-SEC will start to pay a vested interest to low-sec like never before.
I think this would be totally fantastic, speaking as a pirate, a self-confessed lover of cheap shots and easy killmails but at the same time a bored low-sec dweller who would relish some new challenges, new nemeses and having the fun back in low-sec!
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Kerrakus
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Posted - 2011.04.22 11:25:00 -
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(Me to I love this Idea I think we should start putting a list together of all the items and ships that can only be bought and sold in low sec immediately.)
Funny thing about this is I never seen such a group of people thru-out EVE that thought there were so tuff and the only events and combat changes you can come up with are idea's to get combat areas of the game going again are all based around bringing miners who can't defend themselves. You are all truly pathetic.
Hey lets really be tuff and base a whole event around doing nothing but killing miners and industrialists? oh wait of course someone already has. lol, WOW that takes balls, you guys are bad to the bone.
Do not even want a challenge anymore?
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