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Lancashirian
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Posted - 2011.04.17 13:49:00 -
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My fellow pod pilots: If you check your incursion journal, you will see that there is an incursion in Jove Space. I'm wondering if our long lost brothers will be able to repel this incursion or will they be defeated by the hordes that Sansha will undoubtedly unleash upon them?
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Davon Kastire
Caldari Hit it n' Quit it
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Posted - 2011.04.17 14:06:00 -
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My friend...If a hand full of Jovian frigates, one Jovian battleship, and one Jovian capital ship (that has yet to be identified) can lay waste to an entire Amarrian armada and only loose a few of said frigates...Then I'm sure they can do the same to Master Kuvakei's forces without much difficulty. "To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." |
Lancashirian
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Posted - 2011.04.17 14:12:00 -
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Let's not forget that was a VERY long time ago. Yes, the Jovian tech could have advanced even farther than it was, but let's not forget when Sansha recently occupied a Jovian station.
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Calathea Sata
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.17 14:29:00 -
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The reports are from CONCORD so there's a possibility that it's all false intel.
Sansha incursion in Jove space. If it's fake, CONCORD is feeding us fake intel. Why? If Sansha is really in Jove space, they now have access into Jove space. Oh no. If Sansha is really in Jove space but not attacking, they are collaborating. Oh no. If Sansha is really in Jove space attacking, Jove will likely fight back with ease, and we will probably see a diminishing Sansha control over the next few hours. Oh yes.
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ITTigerClawIK
Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2011.04.17 14:47:00 -
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i wouldnt be supprised if the jovians have already been wiped out by there genetic disese or at least weakened to the point where they can not fight back as effectively as tehy coudl have years ago, that and the fact that no word has been heard from them since those pictures from the probe into that wormhole were brought back of that jove station. one would have expected the jovians to at least confirm or deny that it was infact one of there stations or infact an abandoned one or if the pictures were fake. as i am sure the higher ups of all the empires are woundering if the jovian security has been comprimised and sansha are now running around with jovian technology or even worse working with the jovians that may provoke another VakÆAtioth and i am pretty sure it wont be another light Amarr incursion like the last time but much larger and by all the major factions and for much more legitimate reasons than wanting more space or some petty grudge but the fact that if a madman like kuveki has access to jovian tech could mean something far worse than mere petty day long incursions into empire and null sec space.
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Davon Kastire
Caldari Hit it n' Quit it
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Posted - 2011.04.17 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Calathea Sata The reports are from CONCORD so there's a possibility that it's all false intel.
Sansha incursion in Jove space. If it's fake, CONCORD is feeding us fake intel. Why? If Sansha is really in Jove space, they now have access into Jove space. Oh no. If Sansha is really in Jove space but not attacking, they are collaborating. Oh no. If Sansha is really in Jove space attacking, Jove will likely fight back with ease, and we will probably see a diminishing Sansha control over the next few hours. Oh yes.
My thoughts exactly.
For all we know, the Jovians let him have that station, either because they see no use in keeping it or to humor Master Kuvakei.
The Jovians and their methods are an enigma, they could have let Kuvakei have that station and let him take some of their technology to raise his confidence. Thereby influencing him to think he could conduct an Incursion within Jovian space, giving the Jovians a justifiable reason to show Kuvakei his limits. "To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." |
Calathea Sata
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.17 16:04:00 -
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Looks like Jovians instagibbed Sansha. Bravo.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.04.17 16:13:00 -
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If you go to your NeoCom's star map and query the CONCORD database on "pirate and police ships destroyed in the last 24 hours" not a dot appears anywhere in Jove space. Either CONCORD is covering something up, or Nation has not yet lost a single ship in Jove space. The implications of either scenario are broad, to be certain. ------------------- The path which can be seen is not the True Path |
Ghost Hunter
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.04.17 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Calathea Sata Looks like Jovians instagibbed Sansha. Bravo.
Do you really think so?
Nation had complete control of their headquarters, emphasis there, until it was decided to disembark.
In the shortest time imaginable, your systems report Nation activity in Jove space once again only to have them oddly removed just as quickly.
They are not as powerful as they would want everyone to believe. Only three things stop the Capsuleers from shattering their illusion, and they are tenuous blocks at best. ______
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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2011.04.17 16:19:00 -
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It appears highly unlikely that this would be a fake or a fraud. Indeed, suppose for a moment that it was a fraud. . . either CONCORD was so inept that they'd allow their incursion database to be hijacked by the Sansha, or by some prankster, and they failed to correct for the mistake after hours of it being reported, or it is real.
I'd almost rather it believe it was real, wouldn't you? I'd much rather not be listed a -10 security status the next time Kuvakei decides to try to kill me.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.04.17 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Julianus Soter
I'd almost rather it believe it was real, wouldn't you? I'd much rather not be listed a -10 security status the next time Kuvakei decides to try to kill me.
I doubt CONCORD would assign you -10 sec status just for calling them inept. I mean I've shot at DED ships and I'm only -7.something. ------------------- The path which can be seen is not the True Path |
Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2011.04.17 16:42:00 -
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No, the point being, if Kuvakei could hack the CONCORD incursion database to put up a decoy incursion in the Jove Empire, he could probably hack and manually change pilot security statuses, penalizing those he believes to be enemies of his master plan.
And yes, I've destroyed CONCORD battleships before. Just the ones that turned out to be traitors and agents of Kuvakei, though.
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Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.04.17 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: ITTigerClawIK i wouldnt be supprised if the jovians have already been wiped out by there genetic disese or at least weakened to the point where they can not fight back as effectively as tehy coudl have years ago, that and the fact that no word has been heard from them since those pictures from the probe into that wormhole were brought back of that jove station. one would have expected the jovians to at least confirm or deny that it was infact one of there stations or infact an abandoned one or if the pictures were fake. as i am sure the higher ups of all the empires are woundering if the jovian security has been comprimised and sansha are now running around with jovian technology or even worse working with the jovians that may provoke another VakÆAtioth and i am pretty sure it wont be another light Amarr incursion like the last time but much larger and by all the major factions and for much more legitimate reasons than wanting more space or some petty grudge but the fact that if a madman like kuveki has access to jovian tech could mean something far worse than mere petty day long incursions into empire and null sec space.
How do you explain a lot of them still fare well all around New Eden ? I think jovian stations and expatriates would be the first one to disappear if something grave happened in their space.
Originally by: Rek Jaiga If you go to your NeoCom's star map and query the CONCORD database on "pirate and police ships destroyed in the last 24 hours" not a dot appears anywhere in Jove space. Either CONCORD is covering something up, or Nation has not yet lost a single ship in Jove space. The implications of either scenario are broad, to be certain.
And there is also a third hypothesis, which seems the most probable to me : CONCORD database is correct and they are not covering anything, because the Nation has not been destroyed, but just repelled or neutralized somehow. |
Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.04.17 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Lyn Farel
And there is also a third hypothesis, which seems the most probable to me : CONCORD database is correct and they are not covering anything, because the Nation has not been destroyed, but just repelled or neutralized somehow.
There are few things I could imagine that could repel Nation without a single ship being shot at on either side. Either a giant force field around every Jove planet, station, etc or a huge wormhole that the Jove created to move the Nation fleet somewhere distant. But then, Nation also possesses wormhole tech and could just jump back in...
Of course the Nation fleet is no longer in Jove space...what happened? ------------------- The path which can be seen is not the True Path |
Tekedo
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Posted - 2011.04.17 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lyn Farel
How do you explain a lot of them still fare well all around New Eden ? I think jovian stations and expatriates would be the first one to disappear if something grave happened in their space.
Where are all these Jove expatriates you are talking about?
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Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2011.04.17 20:58:00 -
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Edited by: Unit XS365BT on 17/04/2011 21:00:47 Pilots.
The answer is much simpler than you have allowed.
While the data pertaining to known nation incursions is accurate, this does not mean that CONCORD have access to data regarding specific activities, such as ship loss statistics, from within Jovian space.
While it is apparrent that the Jovian intelligence blackout that has covered their regions has been constant until now, it would seem that this single leak pertaining to the incursion is not indicative of a more open relationship between the Jovians and the empires.
It appears most likely that, as with Nation's previous incursion into Jovian space, Nation was expelled with direct application of force. However they have not released to CONCORD the data pertaining to how many Nation or Jovian vessels were destroyed during this conflict.
Ghost, Do you really believe that Prosper Vault was within their 'home' system? so close to the edge of their space?
We Return.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.04.17 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Unit XS365BT
While the data pertaining to known nation incursions is accurate, this does not mean that CONCORD have access to data regarding specific activities, such as ship loss statistics, from within Jovian space.
Why wouldn't CONCORD have access to data regarding specific activities in Jovian space? CONCORD's function is to promote peace between the empires (what a wonderful job they've done!), which includes the Directorate. Not to mention the fact that CONCORD was founded by the Joves in partnership with the other four major empires.
Additionally, CONCORD's DED division is quite capable of collecting statistics in any system imaginable. I've seen DED scouts in even the most remote places. If we can even see it on a star map or get there via wormhole, DED has already been there to collect data. I've spent much time fighting DED and CONCORD in general and I'm surprised so many pilots are unaware of their vast spread of power and personnel. I'm not saying CONCORD is stronger than any of the given empires or Nation, but they're incredibly adept at keeping (at the least) a pair of eyes everywhere. ------------------- The path which can be seen is not the True Path |
Ze'ev Sinraali
Ataraxia Pharmacies
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Posted - 2011.04.17 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Rek Jaiga If you go to your NeoCom's star map and query the CONCORD database on "pirate and police ships destroyed in the last 24 hours" not a dot appears anywhere in Jove space. Either CONCORD is covering something up, or Nation has not yet lost a single ship in Jove space. The implications of either scenario are broad, to be certain.
You know that database only tracks ships destroyed by independent, CONCORD-registered capsuleers, right?
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.04.17 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ze'ev Sinraali
You know that database only tracks ships destroyed by independent, CONCORD-registered capsuleers, right?
Are you certain? Please provide proof. There have been cases of non-capsuleer ships destroying other non-capsuleer ships (well, duh), especially in low-sec military complexes and I see no reason why those lost ships weren't registered in the database. It's simply the case that most capsuleers never see two or more non-capsuleer ships firing on each other. ------------------- The path which can be seen is not the True Path |
Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.04.17 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Rek Jaiga
Originally by: Lyn Farel
And there is also a third hypothesis, which seems the most probable to me : CONCORD database is correct and they are not covering anything, because the Nation has not been destroyed, but just repelled or neutralized somehow.
There are few things I could imagine that could repel Nation without a single ship being shot at on either side. Either a giant force field around every Jove planet, station, etc or a huge wormhole that the Jove created to move the Nation fleet somewhere distant. But then, Nation also possesses wormhole tech and could just jump back in...
Of course the Nation fleet is no longer in Jove space...what happened?
This is not so surprising. The Jove have millenias of technological advance, even with Kuvakei. It wouldn't be surprising to see that they master the wormhole creation technology way beyond Sansha are capable to reproduce.
But I have to admit that the hypothesis advanced by Unit sounds even more probable, especially when combined with the fact that CONCORD does not seem to track non capsuleer activity. We have daily cases of skimrishes all around New Eden, probably a lot more than those involving capsuleer ships. The fact that they are also reported in CONCORD database seems unprobable. Correction, unprobable in CONCORD database available to capsuleers. Why woujld they show that to us if it does not concern us ?
Originally by: Tekedo
Originally by: Lyn Farel
How do you explain a lot of them still fare well all around New Eden ? I think jovian stations and expatriates would be the first one to disappear if something grave happened in their space.
Where are all these Jove expatriates you are talking about?
But, in all the Jove stations present in all New Eden. They are pretty rare to be seen, yes of course, and very reclusive as it looks like, but they still are trading or keeping faint relations with the higher officials of different entities. |
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.04.17 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lyn Farel Correction, unprobable in CONCORD database available to capsuleers. Why woujld they show that to us if it does not concern us ?
Precisely what I alluded to in my original post in this comms thread; CONCORD is withholding data. And yet whether we love or hate Nation, we are all indeed concerned with Nation's activities abroad. So data regarding ship losses in order to give us a general idea of what went on in Jove space would be nice, and yet we're denied such data. ------------------- The path which can be seen is not the True Path |
Ghost Hunter
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.04.17 23:11:00 -
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Edited by: Ghost Hunter on 17/04/2011 23:12:01
Originally by: Unit XS365BT While the data pertaining to known nation incursions is accurate, this does not mean that CONCORD have access to data regarding specific activities, such as ship loss statistics, from within Jovian space.
They do.
The data miners that feed NEOCOM map information do report on activity in Jovian space that is presented by their filters.
Ask yourselves why would they cover this 'incursion' up and not the original incident of the Prosper Vault?
Expelled from Jovian space or not, in the end every action they take is very telling. ______
True Slave Foundations Overseer A place of meeting |
Tekedo
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Posted - 2011.04.17 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lyn Farel
But, in all the Jove stations present in all New Eden. They are pretty rare to be seen, yes of course, and very reclusive as it looks like, but they still are trading or keeping faint relations with the higher officials of different entities.
Are you talking about corps like X-Sense?
Well, I have news for you: these corps are owned by the Jove empire but their Agents are baseline humans.
My original question still stands: where are these alleged Jove expatriates?
Also I would like to point me to an actual Jovian Station somewhere in the cluster which I can reach. Obviously they have stations in their secluded patch of constellations but the way you are talking it sounds as if there are Jovian built and occupied stations all over.
Which is not the case.
So, prove me wrong. Give me a location and I'll personally fly there to confirm it.
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Stitcher
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.18 02:04:00 -
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well, the Jovian incursion went from unchallenged to completely gone basically instantly. guess they found the command Revenant and sent a frigate to deal with it. -
- Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
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Sinjin Mokk
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.04.18 04:53:00 -
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Do not trust CONCORD.
Do not trust the Nation.
Do not trust the Jovians.
(This is of course, assuming the Jovians still exist as a society-something of which we have no proof of.)
Let's not fall into supposition and superstition.
New Tales of the Dark Amarr |
Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.04.18 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: Lyn Farel on 18/04/2011 10:57:00
Originally by: Tekedo
Originally by: Lyn Farel
But, in all the Jove stations present in all New Eden. They are pretty rare to be seen, yes of course, and very reclusive as it looks like, but they still are trading or keeping faint relations with the higher officials of different entities.
Are you talking about corps like X-Sense?
Well, I have news for you: these corps are owned by the Jove empire but their Agents are baseline humans.
My original question still stands: where are these alleged Jove expatriates?
Also I would like to point me to an actual Jovian Station somewhere in the cluster which I can reach. Obviously they have stations in their secluded patch of constellations but the way you are talking it sounds as if there are Jovian built and occupied stations all over.
Which is not the case.
So, prove me wrong. Give me a location and I'll personally fly there to confirm it.
You genuinly think that their stations have no Jove managers or at least visitors from time to time ? Especially knowing that they are reclusive and usually use intermediaries to interact with New Eden ?
But yes, you are right on the fact it would be difficult to know. Difficult for capsuleers. But for the high officials treating with them ? |
Dilaro thagriin
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Posted - 2011.04.18 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
Let's not fall into supposition and superstition.
This comming from a believer... that's irony.....
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Sinjin Mokk
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.04.18 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dilaro thagriin
Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
Let's not fall into supposition and superstition.
This comming from a believer... that's irony.....
Belief in God is no more irrational than belief in the illusion of freedom or that the Republic will prevail.
Debates on faith occur in other threads. IÆll invite you to troll your opinions there and save this space for intelligent discourse.
New Tales of the Dark Amarr |
Anddeh McNab
Cadre Assault Force
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Posted - 2011.04.18 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Rek Jaiga If you go to your NeoCom's star map and query the CONCORD database on "pirate and police ships destroyed in the last 24 hours" not a dot appears anywhere in Jove space. Either CONCORD is covering something up, or Nation has not yet lost a single ship in Jove space. The implications of either scenario are broad, to be certain.
That's because CONCORD tracks every capsuleer turret, launcher and module. This tracking technology would not logically be present in either Sansha or Jovian craft as they don't police neither. If the tracking mechanism isn't there to record data then of course the database will show no pirate or police ships destroyed in the last 24 hours. For all we know it could have been a slaughter on both sides. There are two sides to the EVE community; those that scream for change and those that scream against it. Often they are the same person. |
Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.04.18 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Dilaro thagriin
Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
Let's not fall into supposition and superstition.
This comming from a believer... that's irony.....
Technically the Amarrian faith is based on a rationalized understanding of God rather than superstition. Just saying. ------------------- The path which can be seen is not the True Path |
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