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suZy pLaIn
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Posted - 2011.04.18 16:08:00 -
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I am seeing a lot of discontent in the EVE community lately. I do understand that the forums are filled with 50% cry babies, 40% trolls, and 10% community activists but, it still seems CCP is driving the car off the cliff with all the anger I see.
What can CCP do make "us" (the EVE community) happy and excited to play again?
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.18 16:08:00 -
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Rabble rabble rabble!!!!!
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2011.04.18 16:08:00 -
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EVE is dying. C. -- Did you know there's an alliance who's name you're not allowed to say, or website you're not allowed to link? |
Issa Barthelemy
Minmatar Exploration and Exploitation
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Posted - 2011.04.18 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: Issa Barthelemy on 18/04/2011 16:14:00 how big % of the playerbase actually read the forum, and care what it says?
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Xtreem
Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
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Posted - 2011.04.18 16:16:00 -
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its like the seasons, you get good ones and bad ones.
bad ones tend to follow or preceed big changes.
mostly by us bitter vets.
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JC Anderson
Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.04.18 16:17:00 -
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It's not recent.
It's been like this for years.
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suZy pLaIn
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Posted - 2011.04.18 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Xtreem its like the seasons, you get good ones and bad ones.
bad ones tend to follow or preceed big changes.
mostly by us bitter vets.
Good point.
tbh that makes a lot of since with the 0.0 changes and all.
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Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.04.18 16:19:00 -
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CCP can only do 1 thing, as they said during fanfest: DELIVER
They have to prove they can deliver good content, with scope and polish. What they did during the past years was releasing unfinished content, just the bare minimum, and then never touch it again (although they promised they would).
You tolerate that for some time, but its nearing to an end. If you look closely on subscription graphs (fanfest, QEN) you see that they are stagnating (they grow, then fall again, doing it 3-4 times over the past year).
So, is EVE dying? Nah, even if EVE wouldn't grow anymore, it wouldnt die. Even if it got down to 100.000 subs it would still work, as long as CCP would fund itself over other projects.
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Ana Vyr
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Posted - 2011.04.18 16:19:00 -
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Lately?
EvE attracts intelligent people to it's playstyle model. Such people are often imaginative, and can really see where the game could be taken. The glacial pace of development is often frustrating to these kinds of folks, so it's no wonder we see so much ranting and raving around here. As to whether there is more disgruntlement lately, perhaps there has been.
We've just witnessed the failure of the new forums, and we are sitting on the brink of the highly controversial Incarna content after many years of waiting and speculating. I don't find it surprising that the forums are quite active and quite critical lately.
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Xtreem
Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
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Posted - 2011.04.18 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: suZy pLaIn
Originally by: Xtreem its like the seasons, you get good ones and bad ones.
bad ones tend to follow or preceed big changes.
mostly by us bitter vets.
Good point.
tbh that makes a lot of since with the 0.0 changes and all.
Been involved in many of them, 7.5 years in, i count as a bitter vet in some cases, and a fan boi in others! swings and roundabouts and all that. in a few months it will all calm down, till the next change!
the forum crew is always the most loud when it comes to changes!
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Tamahra
Gallente Caminus Trux Germani Ewoks
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Posted - 2011.04.18 16:22:00 -
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suZy pLaIn
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Posted - 2011.04.18 16:34:00 -
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For a new player, as I am, I read the forums to get a better picture of the community. But when I read the general community i see a game that is crashing into the abyss.
I even watched the FanFest videos on youtube and i felt like CCP was trolling the community with the video the "A Future Vision" video they showed. They show it but won't talk about how soon or the major pieces of the puzzle... Dust. A carrot on a stick is still a great scam.
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Ebbytingizotay
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Posted - 2011.04.18 16:38:00 -
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Ebbytingizotay!!!
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Xtreem
Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
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Posted - 2011.04.18 16:39:00 -
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as you are new... and ccp have not pruned the forums, browse back around 10k pages to 2003/4/5/6 and read the whines. its an endless cycle :)
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.04.18 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: suZy pLaIn I am seeing a lot of discontent in the EVE community since forever
FYP
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Montgomery Crabapple
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Posted - 2011.04.18 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ana Vyr
EvE attracts intelligent people
Have you ever stopped and read the smack in low sec local?
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Ridley Tree
Veto.
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Posted - 2011.04.18 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana Rabble rabble rabble!!!!!
Rabble Rabble Rabble!!!! _______
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Ana Vyr
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Posted - 2011.04.18 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Montgomery Crabapple
Originally by: Ana Vyr
EvE attracts intelligent people
Have you ever stopped and read the smack in low sec local?
I conceeed that you have made a good point here. Maybe I should have said the ones that post on here are intelligent....hmmmm.
OK, just forget I said anything.
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.04.18 17:16:00 -
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epic troll op, good job -------- Dammit, they killed the post where Sreegs says personal attacks are against the rules. I wanted to lol at him for that |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.04.18 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: suZy pLaIn I am seeing a lot of discontent in the EVE community lately. I do understand that the forums are filled with 50% cry babies, 40% trolls, and 10% community activists but, it still seems CCP is driving the car off the cliff with all the anger I see.
What can CCP do make "us" (the EVE community) happy and excited to play again?
I've followed the forums regularly for about 4 or 5 years now and the level of complaints is pretty much what it always has been. The only big legitimate topic of discontent is with CCP failing to deliver what they promise/bringing underwhelming new content that they think is amazing. CCP actually have awesome vision for the game and most features, but they constantly fail to deliver on it for what ever reason and fail to develop it further. Everything else(and that too actually now that I really think about it ) is pretty much whinage as usual/trolling.
We aren't really excited about anything, since we don't know ****. CCP either has nothing to show(unlikely) or is keeping all the details of anything good concealed(likely). Since we don't have any new topics to talk and spculate about, we endlessly mull over old issues and complaints.
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Julius Rigel
Sub-warp Racing Venture
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Posted - 2011.04.18 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: suZy pLaIn I am seeing a lot of discontent in the EVE community lately. I do understand that the forums are filled with 50% cry babies, 40% trolls, and 10% community activists but, it still seems CCP is driving the car off the cliff with all the anger I see.
What can CCP do make "us" (the EVE community) happy and excited to play again?
2005 called, they want their post back.
Also, did you get any messages from the 90s? I was waiting to hear back from them concerning this phone call joke I found with their address on it.
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Lonesome Joe
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Posted - 2011.04.18 17:41:00 -
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I would like at least some kinda answer by CCP regarding certain gameplay issues/elements. I mean...They can say no, "No we are not going to change Blasters, Bounty Hunting System, Low Sec, other T3 ship to be as desirable as the Tengu, Magnetom drops, scan probe manipulation in space, etc." Or say "We are considering the following requested gameplay improvements...But don't expect anything in the next 6 months so don't ask till then." I mean hell...People have been asking for a change to the Bounty Hunting system for years, veterans and newbies alike and I haven't herd boo about it from CCP.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.04.18 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Issa Barthelemy Edited by: Issa Barthelemy on 18/04/2011 16:14:00 how big % of the playerbase actually read the forum, and care what it says?
Gotta love this argument.It may seem that way yes but the rest of the player base has an opinion too and I'll tell you what,the ones posting care about eve.The others just quit when they are sick of it.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.04.18 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: suZy pLaIn I am seeing a lot of discontent in the EVE community lately. I do understand that the forums are filled with 50% cry babies, 40% trolls, and 10% community activists but, it still seems CCP is driving the car off the cliff with all the anger I see.
all of this has happened before, all of this will happen again
or, in short, eve-o has raged many times in the past, it's nothing shocking _____________________ Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're on a forum, with the alt your alt could post like. |
Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.04.18 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: JC Anderson It's not recent.
It's been like this for years.
This
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Seul Manus
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Posted - 2011.04.18 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki EVE is dying. C.
Going by posts I have read Eve has been dieing since 2002.
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Emperor Salazar
Caldari Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.18 19:13:00 -
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Community is actually really supportive right now. In fact I'd say "morale" is pretty decent.
The last time things were really bad (relative to the average negativity here) was post-PI expansion (whenever that was).
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2011.04.18 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
I've followed the forums regularly for about 4 or 5 years now and the level of complaints is pretty much what it always has been. The only big legitimate topic of discontent is with CCP failing to deliver what they promise/bringing underwhelming new content that they think is amazing. CCP actually have awesome vision for the game and most features, but they constantly fail to deliver on it for what ever reason and fail to develop it further. Everything else(and that too actually now that I really think about it ) is pretty much whinage as usual/trolling.
We aren't really excited about anything, since we don't know ****. CCP either has nothing to show(unlikely) or is keeping all the details of anything good concealed(likely). Since we don't have any new topics to talk and spculate about, we endlessly mull over old issues and complaints.
I have to agree with the above as that is about my time frame in game and my experiences with in that time frame.
Business as usual.
Slade
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Kristina Vanszar
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.18 19:48:00 -
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1. New UI 2. 2 Releases with little things that bother ( + new directional scanner) 3. Ship Redesign 4. Mining revamp 5. real NS revamp
from my point of view.
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Calathea Sata
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.18 19:58:00 -
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EVE is dying EVE is dying EVE is dying
Unless CCP really start POLISHING and FINISHING stuff.
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.04.18 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: suZy pLaIn I am seeing a lot of discontent in the EVE community lately. I do understand that the forums are filled with 50% cry babies, 40% trolls, and 10% community activists but, it still seems CCP is driving the car off the cliff with all the anger I see.
What can CCP do make "us" (the EVE community) happy and excited to play again?
There is discontent. And a lot of posters are biased, while some use alts to make extra forum noise about anything.
CCP must remain consistent in their game development course, resist the urge to listen to nerds rage and trolls and actually provide a level playing field for all players.
Most complaints come from exploits and unfair gaming conditions, not game balance or game development pace. One problem is macro cheating, another is massive lag, which affects players in unequal manner. More often than not people prefer equality over imbalance, fair play over cheating. And CCP must enforce that.
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Calathea Sata
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.18 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Opertone
There is discontent. And a lot of posters are biased, while some use alts to make extra forum noise about anything.
CCP must remain consistent in their game development course, resist the urge to listen to nerds rage and trolls and actually provide a level playing field for all players.
Most complaints come from exploits and unfair gaming conditions, not game balance or game development pace. One problem is macro cheating, another is massive lag, which affects players in unequal manner. More often than not people prefer equality over imbalance, fair play over cheating. And CCP must enforce that.
I've underlined the things your are utterly wrong about.
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.04.18 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ridley Tree
Originally by: Mashie Saldana Rabble rabble rabble!!!!!
Rabble Rabble Rabble!!!!
Rabble Rabble Rabble!!!!
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Luminak Narz
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Posted - 2011.04.18 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kristina Vanszar 1. New UI 2. 2 Releases with little things that bother ( + new directional scanner) 3. Ship Redesign 4. Mining revamp 5. real NS revamp
from my point of view.
Definitely agree with 1,2,3. Don't have too much of an opinion on 4, and 5. Apparently, factional warfare is also broken. I still haven't joined the militia, but it seems like if that feature was done well, it would be great. I've only done a few incursions, and that didn't seem all that earth shattering. Yet I was only in the beginning stages of them; maybe they get more interesting if you see them to the end.
I've been playing EvE on and off for a few years, and CCP seems to do a great job of getting you excited about new features. But after their releases, inevitably, it seems like the same old game. That being said, I still think it's a great game.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.04.18 21:03:00 -
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Just expect absolutely nothing from CCP and take the game as it is, it's amusing enough .. (which doesn't prevent me from arguing in favour of changes ofc)! ^^
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voiddragon
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Posted - 2011.04.18 22:29:00 -
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It's the natural order of things. EVE was dying 3 years ago, trolls and whiners still say the same thing now.
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Stupid McStupidson
Gallente Hoek Lyne and Sinker
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Posted - 2011.04.18 22:45:00 -
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This just in: Internet forums found to contain an overall negative tone. Film at 11
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Shivalla
Gallente Financial Removal THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2011.04.18 22:50:00 -
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When I started to play this game at '06, eve was dying because of lag.
5 years later, eve is dying because of lag, RMT, corruption and NC being the CSM.
So in general, I think it took 2 years to get the corruption, then 2 years for NC to be formed, and CSM as the last.
I, for one, am looking forward for the next 5 years to see what kinda new exiting whiners we get in that time.
Yours,
Troll... I mean Shivalla...
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Mister Rocknrolla
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Posted - 2011.04.19 00:01:00 -
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An age may come to an end and be replaced by a new age where different realities are present. This transition from one age to another is often the subject of eschatological discussion. So, instead of "the end of the world" we may speak of "the end of the age" and be referring to the end of "life as we know it" and the beginning of a new reality.
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.19 00:06:00 -
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Well...
1. Trying to keep game as lag-, rmt-, corruption- and botfree as humanly possible. - There has to be risk to get reward. If some entity has no risk of running out of iskies, getting the reward is only matter of time. This ruins pvp, 0.0 sov-system and feeds botting, rmt and corruption. 2. Developing: - 50% new content - 50% fixing bugs and updating (rewriting) old content to meet current standards 3. Communicating with playerbase about stuff before it actually goes to development. - Even general info like "we are going to rewrite some parts of science and industry interface during next year" would bring up a thread with 10 000 replies from people willing to say something about that. There actually could be few posts with some valid points to stuff what developers had not thought out yet."
...end of my top 3.
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sableye
principle of motion
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Posted - 2011.04.19 00:15:00 -
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peoeple have been moaning and quiting eve here since for forums started, alot of them still play. ----------------------------------------- View The North Star! In All Its Glory!!
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.04.19 00:42:00 -
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Spending resources on EveOnline, you know, that game we play, would be a great start. CCP Nathan "the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells" Evelgrivion "each passing year, each failure to deliver on expectations of basic competence" |
Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.04.19 04:02:00 -
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Having more intelligent player base than developer team can be a curse. Even slightest mistake is seen by the players. Unfortunately, CCP made some major ones and that's the source of the outrage.
What can they do? If they are not allowed to be involved in player controlled space and politics, then they obviously don't know that part of the playerbase or their needs. It wouldn't hurt them to listen to us and the CSM once in a while.
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Carniflex
StarHunt R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.04.19 08:12:00 -
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I am indeed quite .. discontent. This is rather recent development.
What you see is loss of faith in CCP competence. Sure, there has been screwups in the past, bad decisions and so on and on. However, this last patch was bucketful of cold water into the face of many people (I mean some other people in addition to myself who I have talked about it). It's not only the feeling of "screw the bugs, we have deadline to meet" but also the relatively crappy way of communicating going with it. Take for example the drastic null sec change. It's all quiet during fanfest, nobody mentions anything. Like nothing at all. And then after the fanfest there is short blog where in addition to other stuff there is "btw we are nerfing null sec", 100 pages of responses explaining why the idea is not good, why the predicted outcome will not happen and what IS actually the problems, but Greyscale went "meh, it's easy to do, we will do it anyway as fixing real problems would be hard". It's hard to believe after such attitude that CCP actually really cares what they do. Mind tho I'm not blaming Greyscale alone for this crap, CCP devs dont exsist in vacuum and I highly doubt that Greyscale would be allowed just magick this idea out of thin air and implement it overnight without nod from several other guys in there.
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Nypheas Azurai
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Posted - 2011.04.19 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ana Vyr Lately?
EvE attracts intelligent people to it's playstyle model. Such people are often imaginative, and can really see where the game could be taken. The glacial pace of development is often frustrating to these kinds of folks, so it's no wonder we see so much ranting and raving around here. As to whether there is more disgruntlement lately, perhaps there has been.
We've just witnessed the failure of the new forums, and we are sitting on the brink of the highly controversial Incarna content after many years of waiting and speculating. I don't find it surprising that the forums are quite active and quite critical lately.
I agree with this and not in a self-ego promoting way. Why is that generic FPS players always seem the happiest in the world? New achievements and hats melt their little hearts and even the smallest lamest efforts ostensibly only to bilk their customers further are met with by the consumer base with cheers and hurrah's for the devs while they gleefully rub their hands together with dollar signs in their eyes muttering "that's right, lap it up you fools".
Whereas we here, in a much more utopian place than they are bitter and not content. And ultimately that is because of what the quoted poster has pointed out. Eve's playerbase recognizes and is fueled on EVE's potential. In fact I'd go so far as to say the sole reason for my playing EVE is not based on what it offers now, but the hope that investment now unlocks its rich potential, with Incarna (as we heard it 2 years ago, not the chunks that are being dropped now) at the forefront of one of those "potential unlocked" moments.
We want so hard for CCP to succeed, and like a parent who scorns their child for satisfactory work, only because they know they could be doing exemplary work, we are never content with CCP's half-deliveries and uncooked product. When will we be there? Hopefully never. But are we at least going down the right path? That's the expression of the forums lately; we see the vehicle wavering as if its driver were intoxicated and we worry; we plead, we beg, we hope that the path remains straight.
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I Love Boobies
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Posted - 2011.04.19 13:49:00 -
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Lol... think this is bad... should have seen it after the t20 fiasco. They actually shut down the forums because it was so bad. They were locking threads left and right. Also, I dunno if it was true or not, but I heard they were threatening people with bans if they kept up with it. That is probably not true, but anyway, it was pretty bad back then when it happened.
With that being said... the state of discontent always ebbs and flows. Sometimes it is worse than others. It's just the cycle of how things work in Eve. I wouldn't worry about it too much. As others have stated, it's happened in the past.
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REiiGN15
Caldari Rookies Academy Rookie Empire
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Posted - 2011.04.19 13:54:00 -
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They should just fix hybrids. All should be well then ================================================= What is right is not always popular, and what is popular is not always right. |
Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2011.04.19 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: suZy pLaIn
What can CCP do make "us" (the EVE community) happy and excited to play again?
While they do actually watch the forums from time to time, this is not actually a line of communication for them so much as an online resource for us to discuss things with _other players_.
Our primary line of communication with CCP is subscriber count (people actually deciding to play) and subscription duration statistics (how long the average player stays active). By those measures, it seems that people are actually pretty happy with the game as-is. It keeps growing even when CCP starts doing things like banning accounts for botting.
Though, personally, I'd like CCP to further de-distribute the resources in Null (so that you can't have a full t2 production line in a single region), tune up NPC AI so that missions aren't as mind-numbing, and alter the local channel to only add people to the list when they use it (as in WHs) and add in a way to set your d-scan to pulse automatically at some slow rate (every 2 minutes or something). I'd also like sovereignty to require less in the way of isk and more in the way of active players, and a mechanic that makes you not safe from being podded/stolen from even in station. Oh, and I'd like a PvP aspect to hacking (allow us to sneak through shields, fiddle with anchored containers, etc).
They're already kinda working on the first two of those, and the lot of it amounts to minor quibbles, so... meh. ---
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gfldex
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Posted - 2011.04.19 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: suZy pLaIn What can CCP do make "us" (the EVE community) happy and excited to play again?
Kill the CSM and start to communicate with the community again.
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.04.19 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Calathea Sata
Originally by: Opertone
There is discontent. And a lot of posters are biased, while some use alts to make extra forum noise about anything.
CCP must remain consistent in their game development course, resist the urge to listen to nerds rage and trolls and actually provide a level playing field for all players.
Most complaints come from exploits and unfair gaming conditions, not game balance or game development pace. One problem is macro cheating, another is massive lag, which affects players in unequal manner. More often than not people prefer equality over imbalance, fair play over cheating. And CCP must enforce that.
I've underlined the things your are utterly wrong about.
good one!
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Alissa Solette
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Posted - 2011.04.19 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: suZy pLaIn For a new player, as I am, I read the forums to get a better picture of the community. But when I read the general community i see a game that is crashing into the abyss.
I even watched the FanFest videos on youtube and i felt like CCP was trolling the community with the video the "A Future Vision" video they showed. They show it but won't talk about how soon or the major pieces of the puzzle... Dust. A carrot on a stick is still a great scam.
I don't agree that EVE is dying or heading towards the abyss - there has always been much trolling and unhappyness on the forum so don't get to scared by it.
I do agree on the point about CCP trolling us though. They constantly make these stupid marketing videos ("bait") with heaps of features, great grPhics and reactive game play. What you get in the end is trash like PI (Civilization 1 was better in every way incl. graphics) or Faction Warfare (unfinished trash and empty promises to fix it later/soon). It's the classic bait n' switch scam. Make people horny and then **** them over.
This discrepancy between marketing/PR and the actual product is the main reason why the forums are so full of (rightly) angry customers.
The solution? Fire Zulu and everyone else in marketing, stop lying and pretending to be Blizzard and go back to being a honest - if geeky - company. That's what your average EVE-geek wants. Not empty promises and downright lies told by some marketing quack who thinks he can cause euphoria by his cheap calls of "**** yeah" at fanfest. People like that make me sick and certainly don't decrease the amount of trolling either.
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Tarasina
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Posted - 2011.04.19 15:56:00 -
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They could start DESIGNING. Right now they just drop off the dung in-game, Eve is a bunch of modules just dropped out there, with little connection or reason to each other.
Eve is a sandbox simply because CCP can't design anything. Saves them the time to actually work on design.
CCP could use a grand scheme or grand vision, encompassing all fields in the game. "We want a SCI-FI simulation" just isn't enough, nowhere near. It has to be more detailed. How are things connected? Why are they connected?
Coming up with reasons as you go ....it shows. Stuff just isn't coherent.
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Carli Zandrya
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Posted - 2011.04.19 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: suZy pLaIn I am seeing a lot of discontent in the EVE community lately. I do understand that the forums are filled with 50% cry babies, 40% trolls, and 10% community activists but, it still seems CCP is driving the car off the cliff with all the anger I see.
What can CCP do make "us" (the EVE community) happy and excited to play again?
2 words. Silent. Majority. -or- Loud. Minority.
Take your pick.
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Col Callahan
Caldari Boogie Monsters
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Posted - 2011.04.19 17:10:00 -
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RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!!! . . . I heard you the last time. |
Zerp Metesur
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Posted - 2011.04.19 17:17:00 -
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Incarna is going to bring in a crazy amount of players if handled correctly. It'll be like a relaunch and there's a reason they're letting the game go to ruin in order to shove it out the door.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.04.19 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: suZy pLaIn For a new player, as I am, I read the forums to get a better picture of the community. But when I read the general community i see a game that is crashing into the abyss.
I even watched the FanFest videos on youtube and i felt like CCP was trolling the community with the video the "A Future Vision" video they showed. They show it but won't talk about how soon or the major pieces of the puzzle... Dust. A carrot on a stick is still a great scam.
You give them books, and give them books, and all they do, is eat the pages. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
Doctor'X
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.19 19:21:00 -
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Someone QUICK! call the waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-mbulance..
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Skylitsa
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Posted - 2011.04.19 21:39:00 -
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Dying is a natural part of life.
There's nothing to worry about.
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Derdin Riggor
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Posted - 2011.04.19 22:48:00 -
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I definitely agree that there is a fundamental disconnect between the marketing team's videos and the developer's gameplay. I think this is because these videos represent the dream of eve and not the reality. In some core way I think these videos drive development as much as they entice people to play. Admittedly, it was an overly hyped video that got me playing in the first place, but it didn't keep me playing. What keeps me playing is the sandbox and it's ability to offer up creative opportunities to express what _I_ define as the endgame.
I'm not convinced that the recent missteps CCP has made with the Forums or Sovereignty will derail me. Or that Incarna will change my ability to enforce this creative approach to gameplay. Even if Incarna is less than promised it will still be a new tool for me to maneuver with. Although, this perspective is from an industrialist.
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FutureTroll5000
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Posted - 2011.04.19 22:57:00 -
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8/10. you used barely any text with virtually zero substance. you got all these "mains" to post within an already 2-page thread.
if it goes to page 3, 10/10.
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Aderata Nonkin
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.04.19 23:01:00 -
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The only thing that worries me is the amount of whining and moaning people do on the forums whenever something goes against them. It's utterly amazing to behold the staggering amount of morons complaining about things being changed in their favourite sandbox, even though they should've been aware of the simple and basic fact of a MMOs development - change.
Another thing that worries me is the so-called EVE community is being eroded from the inside by moronic threads like this one. I have great faith in a lot of people playing this game but lately I've seen decent forum posters turn into mindless idiots and that is concerning.
CCP is probably wondering what kind of kids they've suddenly attracted to the game.
ĉIf you are not big enough to lose, then you are not big enough to win.Ĉ |
FutureTroll5000
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Posted - 2011.04.19 23:03:00 -
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well half of their accounts aren't even human, so hey.
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Calathea Sata
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.19 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Aderata Nonkin The only thing that worries me is the amount of whining and moaning people do on the forums whenever something goes against them. It's utterly amazing to behold the staggering amount of morons complaining about things being changed in their favourite sandbox, even though they should've been aware of the simple and basic fact of a MMOs development - change.
Another thing that worries me is the so-called EVE community is being eroded from the inside by moronic threads like this one. I have great faith in a lot of people playing this game but lately I've seen decent forum posters turn into mindless idiots and that is concerning.
CCP is probably wondering what kind of kids they've suddenly attracted to the game.
If you could let go for a moment of your false confidence in CCP and EVE and take a good look at the data and the arguments presented by many of us you can probably find the reasons of your concern of people turning into "mindless idiots".
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Aderata Nonkin
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.04.20 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Calathea Sata If you could let go for a moment of your false confidence in CCP and EVE and take a good look at the data and the arguments presented by many of us you can probably find the reasons of your concern of people turning into "mindless idiots".
"False confidence"? It is not false in any way, it is sane logic that you just don't seem to be intelligent enough to grasp. The only thing that's false here is the excessive whining from the vocal forum minority. They simply don't seem to want to understand they're not in control of the game and they don't decide where things are going. It's the same issues every community have with something they enjoy.
What is also false in this context is the likes of you who jump on the bandwagon as soon as something goes a little wrong. One recent example is the new forums that casued an outrage among people, instead of supporting CCP people become animals with no logical thinking whatsoever.
This isn't false confidence, sport, this the vocal minority going insane. I suggest you all leave your computers for a few hours, take your 250mg Risperdal as usual and come back when you've settled down.
ĉIf you are not big enough to lose, then you are not big enough to win.Ĉ |
McRoll
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.20 11:12:00 -
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You just wait till people find out how little actual content that captains quarters will have (tomorrow on test server).
The rage will be glorious
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Ioci
Gallente Morrigna Order
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Posted - 2011.04.20 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: McRoll You just wait till people find out how little actual content that captains quarters will have (tomorrow on test server).
The rage will be glorious
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