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Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.04.20 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ava Starfire
Originally by: Silas Vitalia
Originally by: Pax Thar ...upon the Amarr foolish enough to think themselves equal.
Any Amarr reducing themselves to be the equal of a Matari would indeed be foolish.
That is because no Amarrian will ever reach such "heights" that "reducing themselves to be our equal" will ever be possible.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Kumiho's Smile Naraka.
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Posted - 2011.04.20 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Originally by: Michael Bross So eager to conduct the politicing and intrigue behind closed doors. I thought you had learned it is not the Matari way.
Where I come from, it is not the Matari way to conduct negotiations between tribal brothers in public, in front of outsiders.
Oh, please don't disillusion him! It's such fun to watch people who think that a tribal leader is in some way not a politician.
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.04.20 18:05:00 -
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I would think that you, captain Farel, would grasp the true meaning of what I wrote.
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Anabella Rella
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.04.20 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Silas Vitalia
Any Amarr reducing themselves to be the equal of a Matari would indeed be foolish.
Don't you have some more outposts in lawless space to get taken away from you? Oh wait...
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Kumiho's Smile Naraka.
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Posted - 2011.04.20 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Anabella Rella Don't you have some more outposts in lawless space to get taken away from you? Oh wait...
Losing outposts doesn't take much work, anyway.
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Michael Bross
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.04.20 20:08:00 -
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Edited by: Michael Bross on 20/04/2011 20:09:25 Ms. Rhiannon, I am sorry to say that we are not tribal brethren we are but both Matari and allies in our cause. Even others of Ushra'Khan are but my comrades in arms. Only those of the one tribe, Masuat'aa Matari may call themselves my tribal kin. Though should your choler ever rise to the point you wish to be the sword of Matar and no longer the shield of the Republic, you would be welcome to join the ranks of the Kisasa.
and Ms. Jenneth...
It is funny that you think, I Chifu of the one tribe would become disallusioned by the words of Ms. Rhiannon. Even after generations of contact you outsiders still show a lack of understanding of the Matari people.
Beyond that, what is the interest of an Angel slaver in this discussion?
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Mizhara Del'thul
Minmatar Lutinari Syndicate Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.04.20 20:17:00 -
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Michael... Electus... be at ease.
We are brothers and sisters... tribals all. Well, most. Let us keep that in mind before we beat our chests and let our impulses and the fire in our veins cloud our judgment. The Masuat'aa Matari are brethen to me. The same can be said of many in the Electus. Don't forget that while the tribes are separate, they are still united in a greater whole.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.04.20 20:27:00 -
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I wouldn't worry yourself overmuch, Mizhara. I've been around long enough to know that Electus Matari and Ushra'Khan are like two rival brothers - they'll argue, snipe and scowl at each other if the opportunity arises, but should an outsider threaten one, he will draw down the ire of the other immediately.
I would, in fact, be more worried if Electus Matari and Ushra'Khan didn't argue openly. That'd mean the rift was serious enough to warrant hiding it from outsiders. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Michael Bross
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.04.20 20:45:00 -
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Sister Mizhara, as Mr. Ixiris has pointed out there is no ire in my words. I count the pilots of Electus Matari friends. Merely a difference of opinion on the worth of politics.
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Eran Mintor
Minmatar Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.04.20 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul Don't forget that while the tribes are separate, they are still united in a greater whole.
United by hate, nothing else. ------------------------------------------------ Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe |
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Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.04.20 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Eran Mintor
Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul Don't forget that while the tribes are separate, they are still united in a greater whole.
United by hate, nothing else.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.04.20 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Eran Mintor United by hate, nothing else.
I see they've got you repeating Imperial lies by memory now. Had your daily Vitoc shot yet? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Kuan Yida
Minmatar Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.04.20 21:49:00 -
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I would like to notify all interested that EM (in the person of the esteemed Altaen) and Militia (represented in the corps participating in battles indicated below) are once again happily cooperating in the hunting down and killing of pirates:
Auga Pirate Killin'
Splash 5 pirate battle cruisers. Several other pirates, sadly, did escape us including a Rapier that warped out instants before flights of missiles were about to strike its burning hull...
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Eran Mintor
Minmatar Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.04.20 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Eran Mintor United by hate, nothing else.
I see they've got you repeating Imperial lies by memory now. Had your daily Vitoc shot yet?
I see you are throwing around baseless accusations again. Finding yourself bored these days? ------------------------------------------------ Please re-size your signature to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes.Applebabe |
Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.04.20 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Anabella Rella
Originally by: Silas Vitalia
Any Amarr reducing themselves to be the equal of a Matari would indeed be foolish.
Don't you have some more outposts in lawless space to get taken away from you? Oh wait...
Think before speaking, child. Check your sov map and you'll see those stations have all been retaken, and that particular station is now under my direct administration. Would you like me to name it something inflammatory against you for a few days?
Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Open for Recruitment!
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.04.20 22:19:00 -
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Maybe you should call it "Land of the Blind". ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Kumiho's Smile Naraka.
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Posted - 2011.04.21 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: Michael Bross and Ms. Jenneth...
It is funny that you think, I Chifu of the one tribe would become disallusioned by the words of Ms. Rhiannon. Even after generations of contact you outsiders still show a lack of understanding of the Matari people.
You may misunderstand my use of the word "disillusion," here. I'm not speaking of your belief in your cause; I'm speaking of your belief that tribal affairs are somehow exempt from political maneuverings.
And if that's what you're on about-- is it really such a profound misunderstanding for me to think that you might actually listen to a fellow Matari with whom you happen to disagree?
Do Matari never change their minds, never listen to those with whom they differ, never examine their assumptions?
"You just don't get it" is a familiar refrain: we Caldari have used it often enough on meddlesome Gallente, but it's an empty claim without an explanation. The Gallente do not understand why anyone would want to put the community ahead of individual freedom. They further do not understand that not everyone believes in, or wants, their individualistic "rights."
There are other reasons, but those will do for a start. Now, then, Sword of Matar, what exactly do I not understand, and how?
Quote: Beyond that, what is the interest of an Angel slaver in this discussion?
Amusement. Mostly. Also, I have a "thing" about people lying to themselves, as I think Ms. Rhiannon can confirm. She's watched me long enough to have some sense of my nature.
If it's any comfort, were you Amarrian I wouldn't even be trying to crack your idealistic shell-- they typically need their faith broken, first. Matari are easier to talk to, even if your pride and sense of grievance does occasionally cause you to inflate comically.
... Well, tragi-comically. In any case, I'd watch how much you sing the praises of your traditional culture. Do too much of that, and you start looking a lot like the Caldari.
Or, more accurately, the Amarr. The Caldari are traditionally practical.
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Gottii
Minmatar Lutinari Syndicate Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.04.21 06:09:00 -
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Originally by: Eran Mintor
Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul Don't forget that while the tribes are separate, they are still united in a greater whole.
United by hate, nothing else.
Better united by hate than bound together by chains.
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Bl0ndie
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Posted - 2011.04.21 08:18:00 -
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Tisk Tisk. U killed silence he will be mad.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.04.21 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Eran Mintor
Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul Don't forget that while the tribes are separate, they are still united in a greater whole.
United by hate, nothing else.
United in a purpose, not in an emotion.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.04.21 09:06:00 -
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No offense meant, Captain Bross. I have myself objected to the rather free use of "brother" or "sister" among capsuleers, time to time.
I merely meant, and I hold to that opinion, that IGS is not the place for actual negotiations between entities.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Diplomat Electus Matari -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today. |
Eran Mintor
Minmatar Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.04.21 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Gottii
Originally by: Eran Mintor
Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul Don't forget that while the tribes are separate, they are still united in a greater whole.
United by hate, nothing else.
Better united by hate than bound together by chains.
What do you refer to that is bound together by chains?
Originally by: Borza Slavak
Originally by: Eran Mintor
Originally by: Mizhara Del'thul Don't forget that while the tribes are separate, they are still united in a greater whole.
United by hate, nothing else.
United in a purpose, not in an emotion.
Two years ago I would've agreed, but the purpose is not the device of unification. Look at the militia as a prime example: Many members are ex-slaves or self-proclaimed "freedom fighters" who do little to seek this purpose you refer to (it's obvious you speak about the abolition of slavery), but instead seek blood-shed.
Many Minmatar do not share the same purpose as I and many others once did when we worked for the Valklear Guard, but aim instead to kill and maim as many as they can for the purpose of "revenge", and to satisfy their desire for blood that is created from their hatred.
I wish the Republic was united under one purpose, but it is not so. I found the Republic and the Minmatar people to be just as divided as they are diverse. Even the Thukker tribe couldn't agree with each other about joining the Republic, and I don't blame them. Autonomy is the main concern of most tribes, and they all tribes have their own interests and goals.
The Thukker tribe (or most of it) did join the Republic in the end, and I'm sure many would argue it was for the sake of "ending slavery", but I would have to disagree. I, like many other Minmatar, faced the horrors of slavery; yet instead of receiving clear guidance, we are told that these horrors are an excuse to cause chaos and commit murder.
Face it. Without the Empire to unite the tribes under a common enemy, the Republic would collapse on itself with the weak, mostly non-existent infrastructure that barely keeps itself running. Tribes would turn against each other for the sake of survival and power. The Republic is in shambles, and instead of focusing on building itself and protecting it's people, it focuses on lashing out at it's neighbors and forcing it's poor into warships that have a very slim chance of surviving a month-long tour.
I often wonder if Shakor had ISK symbols in his eyes when the Thukker told him how he could profit off of ammunition sales and reduce the amount of poor at the same time by attacking the Empire. "Kill two birds with one stone," so to speak.
When the Republic is actually united for a cause that is worthy of it's citizens dying, I may support it. However, as it is, hate is the only thing that brings most all Republic citizens together to agree about only one thing: 'Amarr must pay,' as shown by the Elder Invasion.
This "purpose" is nothing but a path leading back to our Day of Darkness. There is a better path; one that leads to the Light.
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Mirtillo
Gallente Los Chupacabras
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Posted - 2011.04.21 09:47:00 -
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Dear Ladies and others entities,
Unfortunately, I must state that Electus Matari are, and will ever be, enemies of Minmatar Republic, Minmatar Militia and, in general, Minmatar tribes and citizens.
Theier false pretences contrast with their shameful acts. Am I wrong? No, check this aggression against a petrified Militia' pilot: http://chupa.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9439954
Minmatar Militia and citizens should fight against these EM pirates now and on. I strongly suggest to everyone living in Minmatar space to set RED these fink.
M.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.04.21 12:27:00 -
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So it's better that you help the Amarr force the Minmatar back into slavery than try to change things in the Republic for the better?
You would disgust me, Mintor, if you were worthy of that much outlay of emotion on my part. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Kyllsa Siikanen
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Posted - 2011.04.21 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Eran Mintor words
Misguided child.
Does the Empire still hold our people in chains? Why, yes, it does, doesn't it? They are your sisters and brothers just as much as they are mine, and yet, you betray them... clearly, your motives are more noble than those who fight your masters...
What emotional response, exactly, would you and your keepers expect, to hundreds of years of brutality? Love? Of course we hate the Amarr, and all connected with it, and by extension, those who work for it. The tribes are united in a fight against a common enemy, against those who wish only to destroy us, wholly, culturally, socially... and you find fault with that?
The tribes want to maintain their identity... and once again, you find a fault where none exists. What is the problem with that? Our government, such as it is, has gone through some sweeping changes as of late, and no, I do not agree with all that has occured, I think few do. We will find our way, but we are quite capable of doing so on our own. Of course, reforming our entire society would never have been necessary, except for... well, you know.
There is wisdom and passion in your words, child, but a misguided wisdom and a misplaced passion. Take care you do not stray too far from your path... or any farther than you already have, anyway.
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Altaen
Lutinari Syndicate Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.04.22 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Mirtillo Dear Ladies and others entities,
Unfortunately, I must state that Electus Matari are, and will ever be, enemies of Minmatar Republic, Minmatar Militia and, in general, Minmatar tribes and citizens.
Theier false pretences contrast with their shameful acts. Am I wrong? No, check this aggression against a petrified Militia' pilot: http://chupa.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9439954
Minmatar Militia and citizens should fight against these EM pirates now and on. I strongly suggest to everyone living in Minmatar space to set RED these fink.
M.
Says a representative of one of the largest pirate organizations operating out of Evati...let it be known that cooperating with and assisting Los Chupacabras in their continued acts of piracy will also be considered a hostile act. The Chupas and their friends in Band of Cateteris had been set red long before their pitiful attempt to earn legitimacy by joining the militia, and their criminal acts are well documented for anyone that should care to review them.
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Delilah Wild
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Posted - 2011.04.22 14:53:00 -
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Speaking for the Coalition of Anti-Pirates (COA), an ally of Electus Matari whose ships were on the field that day, I want to state COA's policy position.
We make a strong distinction between faction warriors (whom we admire), and pirates like Tempest Legion and Los Chupacabras who hide behind the skirts of the Minmatar Militia. Until corps like these officially renounce piracy and act upon this commitment, they will remain targets of our anti-pirate operations.
That said, the COA does not consider the Minmatar Militia a hostile force. Quite the contrary, and we are eager to set blue standings with true faction warfare corps who reject piracy and exploitation. We are also more than happy to share our knowledge of piratical corps in order to help true militia members distinguish between real friends and janis-faced curs.
We also recognize that incidents of unforeseen and unnecessary conflict will occur in a lawless cosmos. Whenever possible, we want to set these behind us to establish productive relationships with other corps and alliances.
If you have any questions about the COA, please see http://coalitionofantipirates.wordpress.com/. If you would like to discuss standings with our partner organizations, please contact me via eve-mail.
Sincerely,
Delilah Wild Diplomat, COA
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Kazzzi
Amarr Heathen Legion Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.04.22 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: Kazzzi on 22/04/2011 17:31:16
Define piracy.
I hope you all have a fairly detailed definition and haven't all become champions of Concord.
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Kuan Yida
Minmatar Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.04.22 17:41:00 -
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Hmmmm... jumped into Oyonata last night, was redboxed by J0an0fArc of Tempest Legion as I pretended to try and get back to gate...
Naturally, J0an and the pirates with her all died in fire.
Some AA militia with us had Tempest Legion set to blue and didn't engage. HUANG and IFW didn't have any such issues. Neither did a couple of the AA pilots.
Although, once they are actually in UK I assume they will, as UK does, have HUANG set blue...
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.04.22 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzzi You people aren't gonna attack me the next time I ~criminal flag~ myself while shooting down a 24IC ship, are you?
Many, if not most, antipirate organizations shoot neutral "flashies". If you are frequently flashy for valid reasons inside a particular reason, it is advisable to seek blue standings with the local antipirate organizations, to avoid friendly fire.
I believe this holds for COA too, but I might be mistaken.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Diplomat Electus Matari -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today. |
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