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La Dha
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Posted - 2011.04.22 20:08:00 -
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My husband T'Laar Bok is a disabled Gulf War 1 Veteran and was diagnosed with terminal brain cancer 12 months ago, he was given 3 months to live.
His mind is a bit funny but still reasonably sharp, his body is failing. Sometimes he logs in and does nothing, just sits at his desk hoping for hours that he can get his limbs under enough control to use the keyboard so he can undock and go do a bit of mining. It is truly heart breaking to watch.
Using a mouse is increasingly difficult for him, I don't think it will be long before it will be impossible. So he can still play Eve he has setup macros to move the mouse and select menu items for him. Mostly the right click nested items that are impossible for him to select. These macros are not automatic and are bound to keys. They're essentially extra keyboard shortcuts.
Recently there has been a lot of talk in the forums about bots and macros and T'Laar has made several posts that he shouldn't have explaining his use of macros. He was up front and honest about why he used them and believed, as I do, he was in no way cheating. The macros do not give him any advantage over other players.
As an example instead of move mouse > right click > move mouse > left click to select menu items it was simply ctrl+s or something similar to do the mouse movements for him. He recently removed several macros as Eve now has the shortcuts built in.
I believe Eve is why he is still here, he loves the game and logs in every day he is able. He has been playing for almost 7 years. He cant play for the next 14 days. I have never seen T'Laar so upset. I fear greatly he will just give up.
Thank you GM Spiral.
Perhaps the EULA needs another paragraph explaining disabled persons are not permitted to play if they need assistive software.
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.04.22 20:13:00 -
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Has the GM in question been made aware of the actual problem (your husband's condition)?
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.22 20:15:00 -
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Edited by: Bane Necran on 22/04/2011 20:17:43
Originally by: La Dha Perhaps the EULA needs another paragraph explaining disabled persons are not permitted to play if they need assistive software.
Sadly it would be exploited by soulless illicit macro users.
Sorry to hear about your troubles, though. That depleted uranium is nasty stuff.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.04.22 20:15:00 -
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Edited by: Ranger 1 on 22/04/2011 20:16:18 I saw his original posts, and expected something of this sort to appear in short order.
You did not dissappoint.
Keyboard short cut Macro's are not against the EULA and do not bring on a ban. They never have been, and do not trigger an investigation. Half the user base uses G-15 keyboards that can do the same thing.
If he (you) got banned, there was a hell of a lot more going on than just using a simple Macro.
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EVE has sound
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Posted - 2011.04.22 20:17:00 -
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Macros like these are okay, because they are just user-assisting not automation. E.g. there are keyboards out there that have built-in macros shouldn't they be banned as well if it's not allowed?
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.04.22 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: EVE has sound Macros like these are okay, because they are just user-assisting not automation. E.g. there are keyboards out there that have built-in macros shouldn't they be banned as well if it's not allowed?
I think you missed the point that this is simply a stealth pro-bot scam. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
Golden Section
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.22 20:19:00 -
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On the bright side, it also means all those Iraqi children born with birth defects as a result of the use of Depleted Uranium during Gulf war 1, won't be able to macro-mine either. Another victory for the U.S of A.
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.04.22 20:19:00 -
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I would suggest that you file a petition so that at the very least you can find out why he received the ban.
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Ayieka
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Posted - 2011.04.22 20:41:00 -
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Its hard to change a rule to help out one dude with the downside of helping hundreds+ macroers who ruin the game.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
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Posted - 2011.04.22 20:42:00 -
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But if basic gaming keyboard macros are legal...
Why did he get banned?
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Romally Isengaard
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Posted - 2011.04.22 20:49:00 -
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I say too ****ing bad. Play another game. He broke the rules, he deserves his treatment. End of ****ing story.
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Fiori 161
Tear Factory
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Posted - 2011.04.22 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Romally Isengaard I say too ****ing bad. Play another game. He broke the rules, he deserves his treatment. End of ****ing story.
We all think your so tough now...
People who are mean to crippled kids are so cool.
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Captain Megadeath
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Posted - 2011.04.22 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
I think you missed the point that this is simply a stealth pro-bot whine.
This.
OP. When he signed up to eve, he agreed to the EULA. I suggest you read it again because if you interpret CCP Sreegs talk at Fanfest even things like Synergy and other mouse emulator progs will no longer be allowed.
Poasting in a "My husband killed Iraqis for the good olde USofA and can't RMT for medication anymore".
Anyone got a violin gif?
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails my name actually is short for catherine
Yeah, Katie Door perhaps...... lol
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Romally Isengaard
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Posted - 2011.04.22 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Fiori 161
Originally by: Romally Isengaard I say too ****ing bad. Play another game. He broke the rules, he deserves his treatment. End of ****ing story.
We all think your so tough now...
People who are mean to crippled kids are so cool.
Who gives a crap about whether he was crippled or not. He broke the rules, he deserves his punishment.
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sableye
principle of motion
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Posted - 2011.04.22 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Romally Isengaard I say too ****ing bad. Play another game. He broke the rules, he deserves his treatment. End of ****ing story.
maybe he did technically break the rules but who knows if ccp are breaking the law as well as there is tons of disability laws and I never claim to be an expert ont hem, I am not even sure if there is any in iceland but the servers are in london and they have offices in uk and uk certainly does, I am not saying they are but they might be.
This is something the posters husband would have to take up with them though.
This is just somethingt ot hink about I am neither for against his presumed banning since I have no actual facts to work with.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari T2 Technologies Unlimited SRS.
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Posted - 2011.04.22 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Fiori 161
Originally by: Romally Isengaard I say too ****ing bad. Play another game. He broke the rules, he deserves his treatment. End of ****ing story.
We all think your so tough now...
People who are mean to crippled kids are so cool.
They let kids fight in the gulf war?
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Generals4
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Posted - 2011.04.22 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: Generals4 on 22/04/2011 20:55:59 Am i the only one who thinks this is an alt who just tries to get his main unbanned by telling an invented story? My apologies if it's true but i don't buy it... not on the internet.
EDIT: if you want your "husband" unbanned why don't you just scan some papers from the hospital to prove your story and send it to GM's? Telling a sad story with 0 evidence on the forum won't get you anywhere (at least i hope it won't...)
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Cynosaurus Rexx
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Posted - 2011.04.22 20:54:00 -
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More and more fabricated stories like this shows me ccp is actually starting the hammer down on the botting problem, and the in game prices right now reflect this
keep up the good work ccp!
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Romally Isengaard
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Posted - 2011.04.22 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: sableye
Originally by: Romally Isengaard I say too ****ing bad. Play another game. He broke the rules, he deserves his treatment. End of ****ing story.
maybe he did technically break the rules but who knows if ccp are breaking the law as well as there is tons of disability laws and I never claim to be an expert ont hem, I am not even sure if there is any in iceland but the servers are in london and they have offices in uk and uk certainly does, I am not saying they are but they might be.
This is something the posters husband would have to take up with them though.
This is just somethingt ot hink about I am neither for against his presumed banning since I have no actual facts to work with.
Breaking the law how? They didn't invent mind control devices that were plug n play compatible with eve online? What a troll post.
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Fiori 161
Tear Factory
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Posted - 2011.04.22 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Romally Isengaard
Originally by: Fiori 161
Originally by: Romally Isengaard I say too ****ing bad. Play another game. He broke the rules, he deserves his treatment. End of ****ing story.
We all think your so tough now...
People who are mean to crippled kids are so cool.
Who gives a crap about whether he was crippled or not. He broke the rules, he deserves his punishment.
Can I have your autograph?
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Ayieka
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Posted - 2011.04.22 20:55:00 -
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EVE Community is best community.
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Romally Isengaard
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Posted - 2011.04.22 20:57:00 -
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Edited by: Romally Isengaard on 22/04/2011 20:58:06
Originally by: Fiori 161
Originally by: Romally Isengaard
Originally by: Fiori 161
Originally by: Romally Isengaard I say too ****ing bad. Play another game. He broke the rules, he deserves his treatment. End of ****ing story.
We all think your so tough now...
People who are mean to crippled kids are so cool.
Who gives a crap about whether he was crippled or not. He broke the rules, he deserves his punishment.
Can I have your autograph?
You can't afford it you broke bum
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Captain Megadeath
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Posted - 2011.04.22 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Fiori 161 lotsaQQ
You're well suited for your corp.
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails my name actually is short for catherine
Yeah, Katie Door perhaps...... lol
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Henry Haphorn
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.22 21:01:00 -
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La Dha, don't listen to the people who criticize your husband (or you). As far as I understand, as long as the simple macros he uses require him to physically press a button on the keyboard or mouse to do anything in the Eve client, your husband should be in the clear.
Let's be clear here. The only kind of macros were are against are the sort that allow ISK farmers to fully automate their physical interaction with the Eve client to the point where they can do their dishes or do any other chore while their Hulk or Retriever is left unattended mining a belt on its own for hours on end.
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sableye
principle of motion
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Posted - 2011.04.22 21:04:00 -
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Edited by: sableye on 22/04/2011 21:06:24
Originally by: Romally Isengaard
Originally by: sableye
Originally by: Romally Isengaard I say too ****ing bad. Play another game. He broke the rules, he deserves his treatment. End of ****ing story.
maybe he did technically break the rules but who knows if ccp are breaking the law as well as there is tons of disability laws and I never claim to be an expert ont hem, I am not even sure if there is any in iceland but the servers are in london and they have offices in uk and uk certainly does, I am not saying they are but they might be.
This is something the posters husband would have to take up with them though.
This is just somethingt ot hink about I am neither for against his presumed banning since I have no actual facts to work with.
Breaking the law how? They didn't invent mind control devices that were plug n play compatible with eve online? What a troll post.
Its not a troll post go check out http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/DisabledPeople/RightsAndObligations/DisabilityRights/DG_4001068 to see how many rights they have, I personally find it abhorrent since it discriminates against those who are not disabled but I don't make the law personally. ----------------------------------------- View The North Star! In All Its Glory!!
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Captain Megadeath
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Posted - 2011.04.22 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Henry Haphorn
Let's be clear here. The only kind of macros were are against are the sort that allow ISK farmers to fully automate their physical interaction with the Eve client to the point where they can do their dishes or do any other chore while their Hulk or Retriever is left unattended mining a belt on its own for hours on end.
NO, thas all YOU may be against. Even "little Bobby down the street" who runs a hulk bot to sell cheap minerals for cheap pewpew ships are a bane of EvE. These are exactly why mineral prices are so low that make other miners run bots to get ISK. ALL bots need banning.
As for this sob story. They have time and time again proved to be a load of bullocks, the only difference hear is that a socalled disabled Veteran has been thrown into the mix.
PCfanbois and internet whiteknights make me sick.
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails my name actually is short for catherine
Yeah, Katie Door perhaps...... lol
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Feligast
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.22 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Henry Haphorn La Dha, don't listen to the people who criticize your husband (or you). As far as I understand, as long as the simple macros he uses require him to physically press a button on the keyboard or mouse to do anything in the Eve client, your husband should be in the clear.
Let's be clear here. The only kind of macros were are against are the sort that allow ISK farmers to fully automate their physical interaction with the Eve client to the point where they can do their dishes or do any other chore while their Hulk or Retriever is left unattended mining a belt on its own for hours on end.
You bought that steaming pile of **** in the OP? Really?
Really?
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Captain Megadeath
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Posted - 2011.04.22 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: sableye
Its not a troll post go check out http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/DisabledPeople/RightsAndObligations/DisabilityRights/DG_4001068 to see how many rights they have, I personally find it abhorrent since it discriminates against those who are not disabled but I don't make the law personally.
You trollin'?
WTF does an employment and services law got to do with an internetspaceship game? Absoultley nothing, thats what. Read the areas it covers ffs. Do you even live in the UK? if so you need to get some further education.
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails my name actually is short for catherine
Yeah, Katie Door perhaps...... lol
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sableye
principle of motion
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Posted - 2011.04.22 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Megadeath
Originally by: sableye
Its not a troll post go check out http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/DisabledPeople/RightsAndObligations/DisabilityRights/DG_4001068 to see how many rights they have, I personally find it abhorrent since it discriminates against those who are not disabled but I don't make the law personally.
You trollin'?
WTF does an employment and services law got to do with an internetspaceship game? Absoultley nothing, thats what. Read the areas it covers ffs. Do you even live in the UK? if so you need to get some further education.
The game is a service. ----------------------------------------- View The North Star! In All Its Glory!!
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Feligast
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.22 21:14:00 -
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No. The game is a product, not a service.
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Captain Megadeath
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Posted - 2011.04.22 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: sableye
Originally by: Captain Megadeath
Originally by: sableye
Its not a troll post go check out http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/DisabledPeople/RightsAndObligations/DisabilityRights/DG_4001068 to see how many rights they have, I personally find it abhorrent since it discriminates against those who are not disabled but I don't make the law personally.
You trollin'?
WTF does an employment and services law got to do with an internetspaceship game? Absoultley nothing, thats what. Read the areas it covers ffs. Do you even live in the UK? if so you need to get some further education.
The game is a service.
No. A game is a hobby.
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails my name actually is short for catherine
Yeah, Katie Door perhaps...... lol
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Generals4
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Posted - 2011.04.22 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: sableye
Originally by: Captain Megadeath
Originally by: sableye
Its not a troll post go check out http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/DisabledPeople/RightsAndObligations/DisabilityRights/DG_4001068 to see how many rights they have, I personally find it abhorrent since it discriminates against those who are not disabled but I don't make the law personally.
You trollin'?
WTF does an employment and services law got to do with an internetspaceship game? Absoultley nothing, thats what. Read the areas it covers ffs. Do you even live in the UK? if so you need to get some further education.
The game is a service.
I'd say it's a product. And secondly, where does it state that disabled people can break the rules and not have to suffer from the same consequences as non-disabled? You'll need more than that in order to prove what CCP did is wrong. (and thats if we assume the story is even true)
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Montgomery Crabapple
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Posted - 2011.04.22 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Generals4 (and thats if we assume the story is even true)
A big assumption, because alt-post fails to convince.
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Henry Haphorn
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.22 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Feligast
Originally by: Henry Haphorn La Dha, don't listen to the people who criticize your husband (or you). As far as I understand, as long as the simple macros he uses require him to physically press a button on the keyboard or mouse to do anything in the Eve client, your husband should be in the clear.
Let's be clear here. The only kind of macros were are against are the sort that allow ISK farmers to fully automate their physical interaction with the Eve client to the point where they can do their dishes or do any other chore while their Hulk or Retriever is left unattended mining a belt on its own for hours on end.
You bought that steaming pile of **** in the OP? Really?
Really?
Probably not, I may not be able to rule out the possibility that the OP may be dishonest, but I also cannot rule out the possibility that the OP may actually truly be honest.
And besides, a couple of you have misinterpreted me. Don't forget that there are two kinds of macros. There are the sort that require physical keyboard interaction such as a customizable keyboard you can buy from Best Buy that let's you press a single key to tell the computer "alt+shift+q" or "ctrl+spacebar". Then there the sort that don't require your physical presence in front of the computer altogether for hours or even days on end (you'll have to search for them online on shady websites that are laced with spyware and viruses). The second sort are the kind that I hate the most.
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Spookyjay
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Posted - 2011.04.22 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: Spookyjay on 22/04/2011 21:24:20 Actually I believe technically due to the way EULA, MMO and Account ownership work and the way it is written. It would come under contract law as a service. It shares a lot of similarity legally with a service. Similar to line rental. Would be for the court to decide in the long run. But yeah in another sense a game is a hobby.
Fact is there are lots of dark areas with mmos and the law. And they get away with a awful lot of things a company with a store front never could. Because its this grey area all you can do is appeal to ccp in writing and send proof. hope they are willing to help. And if you feel poorly treated you can take it to either the court or the interweb for the rest of the world and potential CCP customers to decide on. Sad day though when you can not make a forum post like this without it being suspect of being a troll or it getting trolled by what has become a very vicious community. :P
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Romally Isengaard
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Posted - 2011.04.22 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Spookyjay Edited by: Spookyjay on 22/04/2011 21:24:20 Actually I believe technically due to the way EULA, MMO and Account ownership work and the way it is written. It would come under contract law as a service. It shares a lot of similarity legally with a service. Similar to line rental. Would be for the court to decide in the long run. But yeah in another sense a game is a hobby.
Fact is there are lots of dark areas with mmos and the law. And they get away with a awful lot of things a company with a store front never could. Because its this grey area all you can do is appeal to ccp in writing and send proof. hope they are willing to help. And if you feel poorly treated you can take it to either the court or the interweb for the rest of the world and potential CCP customers to decide on. Sad day though when you can not make a forum post like this without it being suspect of being a troll or it getting trolled by what has become a very vicious community. :P
Get off my eve. No seriously...
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sableye
principle of motion
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Posted - 2011.04.22 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Generals4
Originally by: sableye
Originally by: Captain Megadeath
Originally by: sableye
Its not a troll post go check out http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/DisabledPeople/RightsAndObligations/DisabilityRights/DG_4001068 to see how many rights they have, I personally find it abhorrent since it discriminates against those who are not disabled but I don't make the law personally.
You trollin'?
WTF does an employment and services law got to do with an internetspaceship game? Absoultley nothing, thats what. Read the areas it covers ffs. Do you even live in the UK? if so you need to get some further education.
The game is a service.
I'd say it's a product. And secondly, where does it state that disabled people can break the rules and not have to suffer from the same consequences as non-disabled? You'll need more than that in order to prove what CCP did is wrong. (and thats if we assume the story is even true)
I never said what they did was wrong, I already said I am not an expert on these laws just that they had to be careful and that even if these laws did say they were wrong I don't agree with them.
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Henry Haphorn
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.22 21:30:00 -
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One more thing to the OP:
If your Husband truly is disabled to the point where he has to use macros to assist him on his keyboard, then I believe it is time for him to retire from Eve. I know how hard this is for him. I use to work at a clinic dealing with one particular patient that had to face a hard reality that he will not be able to drive his truck anymore. Driving was something he always enjoyed, especially since he owns his own business. But his caretaker and I (along with the doctor) had come to an agreement that it is for his own good that he cannot be driving anymore (needless to say the patient didn't like the news).
The same applies to your husband. I understand he enjoys it, but let's face it, he can't drive that Hulk anymore.
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Romally Isengaard
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Posted - 2011.04.22 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Henry Haphorn One more thing to the OP:
If your Husband truly is disabled to the point where he has to use macros to assist him on his keyboard, then I believe it is time for him to retire from Eve. I know how hard this is for him. I use to work at a clinic dealing with one particular patient that had to face a hard reality that he will not be able to drive his truck anymore. Driving was something he always enjoyed, especially since he owns his own business. But his caretaker and I (along with the doctor) had come to an agreement that it is for his own good that he cannot be driving anymore (needless to say the patient didn't like the news).
The same applies to your husband. I understand he enjoys it, but let's face it, he can't drive that Hulk anymore.
Lets face it, you really should take that dog out back and shoot it.
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Feligast
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.22 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Henry Haphorn One more thing to the OP:
If your Husband truly is disabled to the point where he has to use macros to assist him on his keyboard, then I believe it is time for him to retire from Eve. I know how hard this is for him. I use to work at a clinic dealing with one particular patient that had to face a hard reality that he will not be able to drive his truck anymore. Driving was something he always enjoyed, especially since he owns his own business. But his caretaker and I (along with the doctor) had come to an agreement that it is for his own good that he cannot be driving anymore (needless to say the patient didn't like the news).
The same applies to your husband. I understand he enjoys it, but let's face it, he can't drive that Hulk anymore.
I'll give one bow to the potential that the OP is for real. Apparently, if he's been banned, something he did was deemed to be against the EULA. Since he's using macros, that could be it.. and since you care about him so much... how bout, when he plays eve, YOU MOVE THE MOUSE FOR HIM. IT would be a small price to pay for having what time he has left together, right?
Or better yet.. stop botting with your main and STFU.
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.22 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: EVE has sound Macros like these are okay, because they are just user-assisting not automation. E.g. there are keyboards out there that have built-in macros shouldn't they be banned as well if it's not allowed?
It's not the keyboard, but the user who controls it. It is not allowed to automate gameplay with these functions. If you use keyboard for example to undock and warpto something with single click, that is automation.
Originally by: Ranger 1 I think you missed the point that this is simply a stealth pro-bot whine.
Agreed... if some1 was really disabled and could not play without some kind of special equipment, her/his main target wouldn't be public opinnion in forums. She/he would (or at least should) contact CCP directly and discuss with them about possible solutions. Eula is what it is and you agree to that when you start playing the game. End of story.
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Henry Haphorn
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.22 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Romally Isengaard
Lets face it, you really should take that dog out back and shoot it.
***Henry points his 1400mm Tempest at Romally***
Since you preach that sort of thing, I like to see you try.
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Fiori 161
Tear Factory
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Posted - 2011.04.22 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: Fiori 161 on 22/04/2011 21:54:16
Originally by: Henry Haphorn
Originally by: Romally Isengaard
Lets face it, you really should take that dog out back and shoot it.
***Henry points his 1400mm Tempest at Romally***
Since you preach that sort of thing, I like to see you try.
maybe you should try not giving the pubescent teenager attention, he will thrive on it since he is having so much trouble getting laid in RL. If you stop paying attention he will more then likely turn towards incessant ************ and crispycream donuts.
Ironically the weight he will then gain will only make it that much harder to get laid, which leads to more ************ and time playing eve. This viscous circle will finally end when he succumbs to a catastrophic myocardial infarction of some kind.
That being said...
How do you play baseball with a paraplegic? Go ahead... guess?
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Captain Megadeath
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Posted - 2011.04.22 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Fiori 161 QQQQQQQQQQQ
Tear factory delivers..........
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails my name actually is short for catherine
Yeah, Katie Door perhaps...... lol
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Henry Haphorn
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.22 22:03:00 -
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Quote: how bout, when he plays eve, YOU MOVE THE MOUSE FOR HIM. IT would be a small price to pay for having what time he has left together, right?
This ^
I will have to agree. La Dha, I recommend you spend more quality time with him. Rather then let him die slowly in front of a computer, it's best to do something else with him like reading a book or watching movies together, or taking him to places he always wanted. Being terminal in front of a computer playing Eve is not the sort of thing I would end my life with.
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Romally Isengaard
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Posted - 2011.04.22 22:05:00 -
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Edited by: Romally Isengaard on 22/04/2011 22:06:05 Edited by: Romally Isengaard on 22/04/2011 22:05:50 We should totally keep beating this thread like I beat my ex girlfriend with my fist. The Fiori tears alone are worth the bruises.
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Fiori 161
Tear Factory
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Posted - 2011.04.22 22:11:00 -
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Edited by: Fiori 161 on 22/04/2011 22:14:32
Originally by: Romally Isengaard Edited by: Romally Isengaard on 22/04/2011 22:06:05 Edited by: Romally Isengaard on 22/04/2011 22:05:50 We should totally keep beating this thread like I beat my ex girlfriend with my fist. The Fiori tears alone are worth the bruises.
I agree, a am honestly enjoying watching you paint your tiny little Epeen all over this thread.
More please.
But TBH, I find you KB stats much more amusing http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Romally+Isengaard
No wonder you have to make fun of other ******ed kids, you poor little thing
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Calathea Sata
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.22 22:14:00 -
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A disabled person with brain cancer giving up living because of not being able to play EVE.
Making the wife watching him frozen in the seat trying to undock for hours.
Do I need to say it? Really?
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Lanrick
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Posted - 2011.04.22 22:15:00 -
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Edited by: Lanrick on 22/04/2011 22:16:52 Edited by: Lanrick on 22/04/2011 22:15:35 Well it could be a load of crap. The forums are not the best way to address this sort of thing after all. But people often don't know the best way to handle things especially if it is concerning that makes them really upset. Just because La Dha is an alt doesn't mean anything. Her husband plays the game. She never said she did.
Lets assume the best and that this is legit. Guy wants to spend some time in his last days playing a game that he loves. I can understand that.
La Dha. See if you can escalate the original issue with the GMs to a supervisor but that is unlikely to go anywhere. Better to contact customer service directly. Don't be mad. Don't get angry. If we can assume the best about your motivations then be willing to assume the best about CCPs motivations. Offer to send them documentation from your doctors concerning your husband's condition and disabilities. Ask them what can be done about this. As soon as they know that he is legitimately disabled I bet they will start bending over backwards to not only reinstate his account but also to find ways to make it easier to play.
But the trick is to not back them into a corner and force them to fight against you. Don't make them the bad guys. Make them they guys who have the opportunity to help a disabled vet. Stress the disabled thing and be ready to document it but don't do it threateningly. At least not until you have absolutely no choice.
If they will not help you at all then look into hunting down a civil rights lawyer that might do pro bono work on behalf of a disabled vet and find out more about the "Americans with Disabilities Act" at ada.gov. The ADA has ridiculously broad application. My guess is that it will apply in some vague way just like how large department stores have to have handicap access. But don't blow it off just because going to court is too much trouble or whatever. It will probably never get to that. The lawyer will probably just write a scary lawyer letter that points out the relevant parts of the act and CCP will respond by giving you what ever help you need. That is, again, if they didn't figure it out on their own before all this.
Just keep in mind that CCP is not a bunch of pricks. They just don't buy that he is disabled. Simply be willing to document it for them but also make it clear that you are willing to push the issue. Junior funkies don't care what happens to you, they just want the issue to go away.
Assuming, once again, that you are not full of horse$%!@. If you are, shame on you for just as much taking advantage of the disabled. ------- "The strong are often wrong but the weak are never free." |
Romally Isengaard
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Posted - 2011.04.22 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Fiori 161 Edited by: Fiori 161 on 22/04/2011 22:13:35
Originally by: Romally Isengaard Edited by: Romally Isengaard on 22/04/2011 22:06:05 Edited by: Romally Isengaard on 22/04/2011 22:05:50 We should totally keep beating this thread like I beat my ex girlfriend with my fist. The Fiori tears alone are worth the bruises.
I agree, a am honestly enjoying watching you paint your tiny little Epeen all over this thread.
More please.
But TBH, I find you KB stats much more amusing http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Romally+Isengaard
LOL. You ARE totally annoyed by all this. I think I have done my job. Romally out!
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.04.22 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Romally Isengaard Edited by: Romally Isengaard on 22/04/2011 22:06:05 Edited by: Romally Isengaard on 22/04/2011 22:05:50 We should totally keep beating this thread like I beat my ex girlfriend with my fist. The Fiori tears alone are worth the bruises.
Wow what a piece of ****.So desperate to get ahead in a game because you fail so hard at being human.
I hope you live very long and healthy life to enjoy your miserable existence.
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Romally Isengaard
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Posted - 2011.04.22 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Romally Isengaard Edited by: Romally Isengaard on 22/04/2011 22:06:05 Edited by: Romally Isengaard on 22/04/2011 22:05:50 We should totally keep beating this thread like I beat my ex girlfriend with my fist. The Fiori tears alone are worth the bruises.
Wow what a piece of ****.So desperate to get ahead in a game because you fail so hard at being human.
I hope you live very long and healthy life to enjoy your miserable existence.
Lulz. While you two are at it, send me hate mail in game too.
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Fiori 161
Tear Factory
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Posted - 2011.04.22 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Romally Isengaard
Originally by: Fiori 161 Edited by: Fiori 161 on 22/04/2011 22:13:35
Originally by: Romally Isengaard Edited by: Romally Isengaard on 22/04/2011 22:06:05 Edited by: Romally Isengaard on 22/04/2011 22:05:50 We should totally keep beating this thread like I beat my ex girlfriend with my fist. The Fiori tears alone are worth the bruises.
I agree, a am honestly enjoying watching you paint your tiny little Epeen all over this thread.
More please.
But TBH, I find you KB stats much more amusing http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Romally+Isengaard
LOL. You ARE totally annoyed by all this. I think I have done my job. Romally out!
Awwww... no more?
I didn't scare you away did I? We didn't even get this thread locked yet.
TBH people like you are why I play EVE, you never fail to amuse and entertain. Now jump for me monkey!! I command you to do tricks for me!!!
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Grog Barrel
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Posted - 2011.04.22 22:21:00 -
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Eagle One, Fox 2!
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Romally Isengaard
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Posted - 2011.04.22 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Grog Barrel Eagle One, Fox 2!
NO! One coffee Sugar 2!
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Ayieka
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Posted - 2011.04.22 22:22:00 -
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It's jammed!
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Fiori 161
Tear Factory
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Posted - 2011.04.22 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Romally Isengaard
Originally by: Grog Barrel Eagle One, Fox 2!
NO! One coffee Sugar 2!
Now do the Truffle Shuffle all that tub is good for something my man.
It can earn you change
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.04.22 22:33:00 -
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Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 22/04/2011 22:34:08
Originally by: Romally Isengaard Lulz. While you two are at it, send me hate mail in game too.
I'd send you something else in game if I thought you were even remotely worth a second of my game time.No..sorry these two posts are all you are going to get.
And I'm not new to this **** you wanna be troll.I smell your kind a mile away.But in your case calling you a troll would be a compliment.
No I'm sure that with your frame of mind that your life has got to be a wonderful one lol.Enjoy
That alone puts a smile on my face.
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Trader20
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Posted - 2011.04.22 23:27:00 -
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Srry to hear about that (if its true) but botting is a problem and noone, even if disabled, should have exceptions to the rules.
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
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Posted - 2011.04.22 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: T'Laar Bok But I have this program always running on my PC to do stuff because I'm disabled, it helps a lot.
Does that mean I'll be banned from eve? Can I submit medical documentation to CCP to get an exemption? How long will it take? Can I appeal if they say no? Will I constantly be monitored to ensure I use it for good, not evil?
Have I just incriminated myself and be banned shortly?
I guess the answer is yes...
That type of program is in fact illegal.
Tell him to get a macro Peripheral it will do the same exact thing.
Some Options:
Razor Naga MMO mouse Logitech G13 or G19
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Khanya Trace
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Posted - 2011.04.22 23:46:00 -
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so what does the gulf war have to do with this?
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Joe Phoenix
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Posted - 2011.04.22 23:59:00 -
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GM is making an example of a guy using macros because he is disabled and not making examples out of the 60+ macro alt players? What the **** is wrong with them...
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.04.23 00:10:00 -
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I'd think they could have a special policy allowing a person to use some macros on 1 (limit) character if they were willing to go through the trouble of sending rl documentation of their medical condition in advance of getting caught or something.
Those people would need to pledge to limit their use in someway too .... bit of a honor system.
There doesn't need to be black/white decisions on most things.
The abilty to exploit such a thing would be so limmited that the damage from people pretending to be disabled and disabled people cheating in a way that made them superior reactors to able people would be so small it could hardly outweigh the benefit of letting people like the op's husband play
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Gibbo3771
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Posted - 2011.04.23 00:22:00 -
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On a serious note, sorry to hear about all this.
If you are trolling, you are one sick mother****er and imo, put him down.
Obviously if you are not trolling I do not meen that <3
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Gavjack Bunk
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.04.23 00:36:00 -
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I bet there's loads of people from the Gulf War 1 era who wish they were alive enough to get banned from Eve.
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.04.23 00:52:00 -
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I thank you husband for his service and both of you for your sacrifices. I hope CCP has shows humanity in this matter.
Best regards, AG
***** Signature may appear without warning! ***** Please do not feed the trolls, it builds dependency.
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Joe Phoenix
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Posted - 2011.04.23 00:56:00 -
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Don't get all american on us, Vietnam was disgusting and a disgrace act of capitalist imperialism.
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