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Chief Investigator Dyspareunia
Caldari Swift Falcon Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.24 08:05:00 -
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Originally by: Brock Nelson
Originally by: Chief Investigator Dyspareunia
Originally by: Brock Nelson
Originally by: Chief Investigator Dyspareunia Oh and sweet pea, I'm 46. Far from a kid.
Really Genius? You maybe far from a kid but you certainly aren't far from acting like one
Really? Sorry if my attempt to get a reasonable and intelligent answer from people who seem more intent on not answering in a reasonable and intelligent manner, makes it seem I am acting like a kid. May I suggest contemplating your visage in a mirror, before you make further comments?
Nah, I just enjoy your rage post
To be honest with you, if you enjoy trying to elicit rage from people, I pity you as a human being. It isn't something to be proud of. It is however, something to pity.
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Michael J Foxx
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Posted - 2011.04.24 08:06:00 -
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damnn the op has an attitude problem, dude just warp to moon and anchor pos, and why the hell your thinking about traffic routes in a wh i dont know, if someone wants to find your pos they will and it wont take them long no matter where you place it. I have a feeling your wh life will be a short one.
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Chief Investigator Dyspareunia
Caldari Swift Falcon Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.24 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: Michael J Foxx damnn the op has an attitude problem, dude just warp to moon and anchor pos, and why the hell your thinking about traffic routes in a wh i dont know, if someone wants to find your pos they will and it wont take them long no matter where you place it. I have a feeling your wh life will be a short one.
I have an attitude problem because I expect an intelligent response to a reasonable question? Oh right, I forgot, this is the EVE-O forums.
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thebarry
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2011.04.24 08:17:00 -
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i like kittens!
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Chief Investigator Dyspareunia
Caldari Swift Falcon Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.24 08:18:00 -
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Originally by: thebarry i like kittens!
I feed them to snakes.
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Alotta Baggage
Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail
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Posted - 2011.04.24 08:22:00 -
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I like turtles!
Originally by: Valkoinen Heteromies
I for one would love to be able to walk on stations and fly spaceships in the body of a little cute catgirl!
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.04.24 08:23:00 -
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This sounds like a case for the all mighty (Tippia)oracle! I summon thee all knowing oracle! May your wisdom..cough..bull****..cough guide our path.
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Minarete
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.04.24 08:23:00 -
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What you are expecting is for everyone to know all of the facts that you did not take the time to research enough
Anyway, there is ONE spot on the moon grid where you are allowed to anchor the PoS, one and only one, period.
So, as people have stated, warp to zero, launch for corp, and anchor, the PoS will "Snap" to this SINGLE allowed position in the grid, YOU HAVE NO OPTIONS.
Why? because people "were" anchoring PoSs at the warp to Zero locations, maybe you can figure it out from there what the implications were..
/close_topic
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Brock Nelson
Caldari T2 Technologies Unlimited SRS.
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Posted - 2011.04.24 08:25:00 -
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I like tears
Investor Relation | IPO Doc | BSAC SE Listing |
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Posted - 2011.04.24 08:30:00 -
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My sub runs out in 20 hours. Was contemplating if I should resub. This thread delivers, hate to miss this all so I'm going to extend my subscription.
Thank you all.
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Chief Investigator Dyspareunia
Caldari Swift Falcon Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.24 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: Minarete
What you are expecting is for everyone to know all of the facts that you did not take the time to research enough
Anyway, there is ONE spot on the moon grid where you are allowed to anchor the PoS, one and only one, period.
So, as people have stated, warp to zero, launch for corp, and anchor, the PoS will "Snap" to this SINGLE allowed position in the grid, YOU HAVE NO OPTIONS.
Why? because people "were" anchoring PoSs at the warp to Zero locations, maybe you can figure it out from there what the implications were..
/close_topic
I took over two hours searching and reading on these forums and through the EVElopedia attempting to find the information you have just so clearly stated. An answer that is clear, concise and intelligently delivered.
Thank you.
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2011.04.24 08:36:00 -
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6/10 if the former, good show.
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.24 08:56:00 -
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Moved from 'EVE General Discussion' and removed offtopic posts.
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Linaeon
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Posted - 2011.04.24 10:14:00 -
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2 pages for how to anchor a pos ??
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Chief Investigator Dyspareunia
Caldari Swift Falcon Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Linaeon 2 pages for how to anchor a pos ??
No, 2 pages to find out if a POS could be anchored in any other location than the standard warp to area (which was part of my Original questions, though nobody seemed willing to answer that, they felt it more important to troll). It was like pulling teeth to get a simple, clear, concise answer to a couple of simple, clear, concise questions.
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Dorian Wylde
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Chief Investigator Dyspareunia
Originally by: Chief Investigator Dyspareunia I've searched the forums and simply can't seem to find the answers I need which is...
1. What is the Max and Min distance from a moon you have to be to anchor a POS.
2. Do you have to anchor the POS at the moons standard warp in spot, or can you move around the moon to another location and anchor it there?
3. Why isn't this information available in the EVElopedia data as one would 'think' that this information would be pertinent to that data.
Originally by: Brock Nelson 1. Just warp to the moon, launch the POS for corp and then anchor it. It'll just snap itself to the correct grid, or "distance" to the moon if you want.
2. Doesn't matter, just warp in and anchor it from where you are.
3. Because it's kind of something most people figure out themselves. As a rule of thumb, try something yourself ingame before asking questions
First off... there are variables to warp in distance of as much as 100km so "just warp to moon" isn't a very helpful answer.
Second off, it does matter as the simple answer would have been "You have to anchor it at the normal warp in spot, you can't fly around the moon to anchor it elsewhere". Simple, Intelligent, REASONABLE answer, contrary to YOUR answer.
And finally Third... Most people probably have no desire to be away from common travel paths when they anchor a pos, I however DO wish to be off a common travel path. Thus my question, and thus why it would be pertinent information to have in the EVElopedia data, so other individuals like myself, don't have to search for hours and then be forced to come here and ask a question they are unable to find an answer for otherwise and end up having to weed through basically unhelpful trolls answers (even if you were trying to be helpful, your answers failed to address the questions themselves in a reasonable manner that didn't scream TROLL).
So. Thank you for the answer. Even though the basics of it was like trying to pull nails out with my teeth.
The rest of eve understands that if a distance isn't specified, it means warp to zero. Stop trolling, use your f-ing brain and THINK about the answers being given to you. You clearly just expect someone to hold your hand, and do it for you, hence the go back to wow comments.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.04.24 19:49:00 -
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FYI, POS related questions should be posted in Science & Industry.
Posting a serious question in General is never a good idea if you are looking for an answer and don't own flameproof underwear. Even posting questions in New Citizens Q&A, even if you've been around the block a while, is more productive.
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Tasmine Ralo
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Posted - 2011.04.25 01:02:00 -
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Peeps prolly didnt wana give up an answer because you are a massive douche, OP.
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Chief Investigator Dyspareunia
Caldari Swift Falcon Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.25 06:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dorian Wylde
The rest of eve understands that if a distance isn't specified, it means warp to zero. Stop trolling, use your f-ing brain and THINK about the answers being given to you. You clearly just expect someone to hold your hand, and do it for you, hence the go back to wow comments.
Very interesting thinking process you have there. However, it fails logic 101. My questions were reasonable when taken in context and the lack of available information related to that particular context. So why don't YOU stop trolling and use your f-ing brain and THINK about what I asked, why I would ask such a question, and why I would want reasonable answers for said questions when I was unable to find said answers after more than two hours of looking through the forums and EVElopedia. You clearly just expect everyone to simply 'now what the rest of eve knows' by osmosis. However, that type of logic fails when examined closely.
I also don't expect people to hold my hand, I do however EXPECT reasonable documentation to be available for hard-coded game mechanics. Something EVE is sadly, VERY well known for the lack of.
In particular, do take note of my second question, and also take note that this question is in fact a two part question. If you somehow feel that this question is me asking to have my hand held then again, you simply fail logic 101.
Finally, and in conclusion, before I came to the forums with my question (and again let me reiterate after more than 2 hours of fruitless searching through same for an answer), I did in fact attempt to do what I asked about (anchoring my pos off the normal warp in grid (but 'just' off).
I believe my question was, and still is a viable question as moons are rather large objects with a significant amount of surrounding spatial 'real estate' where a POS could be anchored. I was seeking to find out if there were other areas on a moon that a pos could be anchored at, or if the 'standard' fare was the only choice I had.
Again if you are unable to see how this question could possibly be reasonable, given the lack of ANYTHING in the available documentation by CCP concerning POS/Starbase anchoring that states clearly that there is only ONE spot on a moons vast orbital area that a pos can be anchored.. then I question your intelligence.
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2011.04.25 06:38:00 -
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OP, here's the thing, you understand "grid" as per Post#4. That suggests a certain level of experience and familiarity.
Your whole thread starter post boils down to one thing - placing a POS offgrid. It's been done before, been discussed before and been told before (although in indirect certain terms) that's it is no longer possible to do.
So, you're ranting away here for what purpose exactly?
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Chief Investigator Dyspareunia
Caldari Swift Falcon Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.25 06:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sturmwolke OP, here's the thing, you understand "grid" as per Post#4. That suggests a certain level of experience and familiarity.
Your whole thread starter post boils down to one thing - placing a POS offgrid. It's been done before, been discussed before and been told before (although in indirect certain terms) that's it is no longer possible to do.
So, you're ranting away here for what purpose exactly?
I now know it is no longer possible to do. Which was the answer to my question. I'm satisfied with that answer. Even if it took pulling teeth to get that answer in a clear, non trolling fashion. However, if individuals want to continue arguing lack of documentation about 'common knowledge' etc, in an attempt to somehow twist EVE's lack of documentation for basic game mechanics to somehow mean my lack of knowledge of same is because I want people to 'hold my hand' I will be quite happy to explain their logical fallacies to them. I sought out the answers to my question before asking it and was unable to find anything that explained anything about anchoring limitations of player owned structures.
I felt, and still do feel, that my question was reasonable, given it's context, and I felt, and still feel that the majority of 'answers' were unhelpful trollish responses when framed in the context of my questions.
I am nothing but a reasonable person, and I expect the same reasonableness of others. Their inability to provide it is indicative of their immaturity in my mind. That however is their problem, and eventually it will bite them in life unless they grow up. But it isn't an excuse for them.
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2011.04.25 07:38:00 -
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Edited by: Sturmwolke on 25/04/2011 07:40:51
There are a few things you should understand about the EVE forums, it's a madhouse full of interesting characters. Of course there are plenty of gems, but sorting them out isn't easy. As such, thread carefully.
* This was pointed by Tau, DO NOT post in EVE General unless you're prepared to get flamed. This basic thread regarding POS questions belong in the S&I forum. Now, although you don't get flamed/trolled as much in here, don't expect it as a rule.
* Show basic courtesy. Do not antagonize replies simply because they're unclear or you do not fully understand what they're saying, instead seek to clarify ... politely. You'd be surprised at the number of quality replies if you'd maintained a level discourse.
Your last reply is indicative of a person of high self-worth but angry at the world. It's a futile stance. Deal with what you can control, not what's outside of your influence. In this particular scenario, the attitude you portrayed and the clarity of your questions.
edit:clarity
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.04.25 10:48:00 -
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I think the OP was rather hard done-by here. After reading through the thread, he asked a reasonable question but the answers didn't really respond to it in the context within which it was asked.
To the OP, don't visualise a planet that you can orbit, visualise a single landing spot that has a cardboard cut-out of a planet behind it. That is what "warp to planet/moon" does and that is why you must place the POS at that spot. As to the actual radius around the point you're allowed to place a POS, I don't know, because I've only personally ever warped to the point and anchored there and I've never read anything about what the "rules" are.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2011.04.25 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Burnharder I think the OP was rather hard done-by here. After reading through the thread, he asked a reasonable question but the answers didn't really respond to it in the context within which it was asked.
To the OP, don't visualise a planet that you can orbit, visualise a single landing spot that has a cardboard cut-out of a planet behind it. That is what "warp to planet/moon" does and that is why you must place the POS at that spot. As to the actual radius around the point you're allowed to place a POS, I don't know, because I've only personally ever warped to the point and anchored there and I've never read anything about what the "rules" are.
I tend to agree. Cock Nelson certainly didn't help matters with his incessant trolling. -------------- Fix the game's last broken weapon system - support if you care!
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Milla Jovobitch
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Posted - 2011.04.25 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Bumharder I think the OP was rather hard done-by here. After reading through the thread, he asked a reasonable question but the answers didn't really respond to it in the context within which it was asked.
I tend to agree to some degree, Bumharder. What happened here was:
- OP didn't know how to do x
- OP didn't know how to ask about x
- Because OP's question was odd, OP was responded in ways that did not meet OP's needs
- OP emorupted and emoraged
- OP's QQ led the whole thread deteriorate into trolling and mudslinging. Congratulations.
I think that OP has problems with anger management. Perhaps premature ejaculation too. He might do well to take some classes, aye?
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Kethas Protagonist
Protagonist Ventures
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Posted - 2011.04.25 20:53:00 -
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The OP asked "can I anchor a POS at locations other than the moon's default warp-to-0 spot?" The closest anyone's come to answering this has been "it is now impossible to anchor a POS offgrid of the moon's warpin" which is related, but doesn't quite answer the question.
I'm actually curious about it, too, as a) when scouting out various moons and warping to 0 I've never actually been bounced out of a POS bubble on arrival, so I assume POS's can't be anchored at the 0km warpin, and b) I'll be anchoring my own POS soon and, if possible, I'd like to anchor it far away from the warpin (but still ongrid) to add just that little extra bit of hassle to potential attackers.
A lot of posters decided to not answer the OP's question, since they didn't know the answer, and instead answered a related question they did know, which is "please give me one way to set up a POS that works." They then got frustrated when the OP failed to respect their all-knowing benevolence.
I see this "I can't answer your question, so I'll answer a related, likely simpler, one and pretend they're the same" everywhere in EVE mechanics discussions - presumably because EVE's complicated, so there are a lot of interesting legitimate questions out there that people can't answer, but they still want to appear knowledgeable. I hate it. Hate hate hate. Feigning competency is the realm of politicians. Leave it to them, they're best at it.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.04.25 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 25/04/2011 21:15:16
It is my understanding that once upon a time one could pick where they wanted the tower to be.
I've read this lead to one exploit of locating the tower at the very edge of the grid, which allowed it to be repped from the next grid, invisible to attackers.
I've also read that people would anchor at the moon warp-in, causing people to bounce off the shield uncontrollably at high speed while the POS shot at them.
There may have been other reasons, and I can't confirm the above ones as I wasn't around in those days.
Now of course it doesn't matter where on the grid you anchor the POS, as it will always snap to a predetermined spot (generally considered to be the center of the grid).
EDIT: CCP refers to a "grid" as a "bubble", as it is an area of three dimensional space. All objects in the bubble ("on grid"), like ships and missiles, are "balls".
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Kethas Protagonist
Protagonist Ventures
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Posted - 2011.04.25 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander Now of course it doesn't matter where on the grid you anchor the POS, as it will always snap to a predetermined spot (generally considered to be the center of the grid).
Thanks. To make sure I understand you correctly:
1) In order to anchor a POS, you must be ongrid of a moon's warpin, and there must not be another POS on the same grid.
2) Your particular location on this grid is immaterial; it has no effect on the eventual location of the anchored tower.
3) When you anchor the tower, it teleports from wherever you anchored it to a predetermined spot, still ongrid, and not close enough to the 0km warpin to include that warpin in the POS bubble.
If that's correct, then thank you; within-grid POS placement is one fewer thing I can screw up when setting up shop.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.25 21:30:00 -
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I've tried it. And the only place where it's possible to anchor a POS from is the warp-in point.
If you move away from the warp-in point eventually you'll start getting odd messages about there not being a moon to anchor from and such.
The some-what good news is that once the moon is anchored it moves away from warp-in point to about 80 km or so.
At least, this is my experience.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.04.25 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 25/04/2011 21:43:37
Originally by: Kethas Protagonist 2) Your particular location on this grid is immaterial; it has no effect on the eventual location of the anchored tower.
You still must be within a certain distance of a moon (100 km). This limit is all that prevents a tower from being anchored anywhere else.
If you warp to zero on the moon, you will be well within anchoring distance.
Keep in mind that a grid is typically about 800 km across (varies).
Quote: 3) When you anchor the tower, it teleports from wherever you anchored it to a predetermined spot, still ongrid, and not close enough to the 0km warpin to include that warpin in the POS bubble.
The warpin point seems to vary from the anchoring snap point. I've seen anywhere from about 85 km to over 153 km, and it is a fixed distance for that particular moon.
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