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Jhebbal Khan
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Posted - 2011.04.27 17:04:00 -
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Anyone got experience of running a POS in a C4 or C3 hole? I would be interested to know how much gametime the upkeep of the POS takes, say, weekly?
Another question: was your solo POS ever attacked with an intent to take it down? How did you manage that?
Thanks.
-JK
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Victoria Sin
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Posted - 2011.04.27 17:33:00 -
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You're going to die.
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Lady Oxycontin
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Posted - 2011.04.27 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: "Jhebbal Khan" I would be interested to know how much game time the upkeep of the POS takes, say, weekly?
Depends on how much PI and how much in ice products you stock up at a time. If you do PI for cash, about 30 minutes every time you reset the planets for another run. Ice products depends on where and when you get to stock up from K-space.
Originally by: "Jhebbal Khan" Another question: was your solo POS ever attacked with an intent to take it down? How did you manage that?
Only attacked once in a lame extortion attempt and have attacked a few myself. Basic idea is large POS with lots of guns and nothing to make it look like you are rich.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.04.27 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 27/04/2011 18:02:23
Originally by: Lady Oxycontin
Originally by: "Jhebbal Khan" Another question: was your solo POS ever attacked with an intent to take it down? How did you manage that?
Only attacked once in a lame extortion attempt and have attacked a few myself. Basic idea is large POS with lots of guns and nothing to make it look like you are rich.
I'll second that.
I've been in w-space nearly since Apocrypha. I've lived in two different C2, and now a C5.
Definitely large control tower, no labs, and make sure you don't leave ships floating in the force field.
Had C2 system sieged. Lost 2 capitals. Paid a 2b ransom. Lucky they decided not to attack our POS (large True Sansha and large Domination), but they were planning to (they had a POS bashing fleet in system that got wiped-out by a wandering PvP fleet, while they were attacking a third offline medium reaction tower). We had tons and tons of faction POS modules, and ships in the force field, i.e. it was our own fault. We learned.
Neighbor in C2 had a poorly defended medium control tower with labs. It was reinforced. Luckily the alliance came and repped it, or it would have been lost. Our large POS was not attacked, and when our alliance members saw it they were all very impressed with how well it was setup (Amarr deathstar with lots and lots and lots of turrets, and nearly everything online).
We only use regular control towers and modules now, and do all industry in hisec. We now log out in our capitals, or keep them in hangars (one per). We have enough trained gunners to control every module on the POS, and more.
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Nottalota Smarts
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Posted - 2011.04.27 18:00:00 -
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Edited by: Nottalota Smarts on 27/04/2011 18:01:14 I'd use a Large Caldari POS. PAck it with about 40 ECM batteries. HAve a rack of about 8 of each hardener. That will deter everyone except mercs. No one is gonna higher mercs to take down anything under a class 5, they arent worth enough to cover the costs. YOu cant man enough guns with 1-2 toons to kill a RR BS fleet. You'll have to make it take so long they wont want to engage your POS. 6 Hardeners will bring your POS resist's to approx 80-85%. 8 should be able to be onlined all at the same time. I'd have 20 ECM battieres online all the time. Your biggest pain will be running in your fuel yourself. Lots of Itty V runs(like 10-15 for a good load). I'd stock 3 months of fuel at all times, incase you get camped. No one can constantly camp you for that long. You might be able to make all your PI fuels, if you use all 3 characters per account, it will be close. I'd also avoid PVP at all costs. Log off in a safe spot too, not at pos. Then you can log on and scan unseen. Use Static Mapper and Dotlans Every 20 minutes or so to check for jumps into system. Good luck.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.04.27 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Nottalota Smarts I'd also avoid PVP at all costs. Log off in a safe spot too, not at pos. Then you can log on and scan unseen. Use Static Mapper and Dotlans Every 20 minutes or so to check for jumps into system.
I'll add that a T3 scanning ship is ideal, since they can have a covert and interdiction nullifier subsystem. This makes it less hazardous to scan a wormhole and warp to it, even if it is guarded and bubbled.
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mistack
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Posted - 2011.04.27 18:26:00 -
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Don't listen to them, set up a small Caldari CT with no defences. Don't forget to forget the stront as well.
You've got to make it really difficult to attack. Set it up as an Amarr death star - lots of small pulses + some beams, some medium guns as well. At least 5x each racial ECM module online. Add a warp disruption battery or two and have two characters be able to use POS guns.
Word of warning: if you plan to keep expensive stuff solo in a C4 and there is good reason to believe that your stuff is expensive, then expect visitors at some point.
In terms of upkeep, if you want to do PI yourself and have a reasonably good system then you may need to log in once a day or two to restart the extractors and shuffle some product. For the ice fuel, expect to do a trip every two weeks or every month. Make sure to leave an alt in the system as well that's not part of the corp with minimal scanning skills in case you get stuck/camped out.
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Loki Sei
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Posted - 2011.04.27 19:26:00 -
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I am in a C3, Medium Caldari Tower, 1 Hanger, 1 SMA. And a ton of ECM. I have not been bothered in 9 months.
I make all the PI products except robotics, and got 6 months of Ice products in last time I got a decent HS exit.
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Smarcus Smokus
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Posted - 2011.04.27 21:11:00 -
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ECM is good, but you need guns too.
If you just have ECM, then someone is going to eventually drop by with a smartbomb BS and just AFK smartbomb your ECM modules. |
Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.04.27 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Smarcus Smokus ECM is good, but you need guns too.
If you just have ECM, then someone is going to eventually drop by with a smartbomb BS and just AFK smartbomb your ECM modules.
I don't believe smartbomb damage penetrates a POS shield. That was patched in 2008 .
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Jon Archqus
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Posted - 2011.04.27 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: Jon Archqus on 27/04/2011 21:23:58
I have a C2 and use 2 alts to do my POS fuel PI. I can easily cover my own fuel costs plus build robotics on the side to sell. Once it's all set up I tend to only check it every few days (3.5 day cycles)
As far as sticking the POS in a C4, personally I wouldn't do it because you will end up losing it if you have no support. Someone will eventually be bored enough to shoot it and with a C4 they can bring in caps.
With C2's & C1's they are much more limited by mass which means they really have to dislike you or want your stuff to be willing to kill a tower. This makes them a bit safer if you are a smaller corp or trying to solo live in the WH.
Just try to make the POS look like it will be more trouble than it's worth to attack.
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Jhebbal Khan
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Posted - 2011.04.27 22:09:00 -
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Thanks for all the replies. I wouldn't have thought about making the POS look poor, that's actually brilliant
What if I was to use a faction (say, Dark Blood, for example) tower with normal structures and equipment. Would that look too rich? The faction towers consume a bit less fuel and have more shield, which might come in handy and save a little time.
-JK
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Hecate Lamia
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Posted - 2011.04.27 23:57:00 -
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At current prices dont use Faction anything. LOTS of ecm, LOTS of hardeners. If you have 20ECM online, have another 20 ready to bring online. I'd also have around 20 small autocannons/ artillery and 10ish mediums 4 larger arty just to prevent easy attacks. Make them need logistics too if they want to take your stuff. Why not make trial accounts and have them join your corp to "Boost" your member numbers? If it looks like you have 90 members, they might think all those ecm and guns you have might just get manned if they attack. They have no REAL way of knowing how many people you have.
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Montgomery Crabapple
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Posted - 2011.04.28 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Hecate Lamia Why not make trial accounts and have them join your corp to "Boost" your member numbers?
Isn't life too short for that?
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Batelle
do you
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Posted - 2011.04.28 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Burnharder
Originally by: Smarcus Smokus ECM is good, but you need guns too.
If you just have ECM, then someone is going to eventually drop by with a smartbomb BS and just AFK smartbomb your ECM modules.
I don't believe smartbomb damage penetrates a POS shield. That was patched in 2008 .
So ? ECM modules aren't inside a pos shield.
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Jhebbal Khan
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Posted - 2011.04.28 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Montgomery Crabapple
Originally by: Hecate Lamia Why not make trial accounts and have them join your corp to "Boost" your member numbers?
Isn't life too short for that?
What is this "life" you refer to, sir?
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Test Build
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Posted - 2011.04.28 14:41:00 -
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Quote: As far as sticking the POS in a C4, personally I wouldn't do it because you will end up losing it if you have no support. Someone will eventually be bored enough to shoot it and with a C4 they can bring in caps.
No C4 hole supports caps.
Quote: If you just have ECM, then someone is going to eventually drop by with a smartbomb BS and just AFK smartbomb your ECM modules.
Good advice, be sure to spread your modules out regardless.
Originally by: Nottalota Smarts Edited by: Nottalota Smarts on 27/04/2011 18:01:14 I'd use a Large Caldari POS. PAck it with about 40 ECM batteries. HAve a rack of about 8 of each hardener. That will deter everyone except mercs.
Hardeners suffer from diminishing returns just like ship modules. 3.3.2.1 hardeners to suit your racial holes is plenty, and any more than that youre just wasting cpu/grid for very little gains.
IMO best advice in this thread:
Put your toys away.
Large POS.
Only anchor stuff you're really going to use. (no reactors / silos unless you actually use them)
Faction towers are OK, modules however add to the bounty and thus motivation.
Train some gunners.
Train someone to anchoring 5 prop jamming 5 and buy/make a reasonable stock of large bubbles. Perhaps buy some T2 bubbles as well.
The Orca makes an awesome WH closer. Gods sake fit a probe launcher to it, you WILL get it stranded eventually.
Keep capacitor modules in your backup Orca (relays etc) and at the very least some ospreys already fitted. Spare hull/armour remote mods are a good idea.
Do regular K-space runs when you can to reduce your asset liablity. As in move your loot & PI goods out of the hole as often as you can.
Have a plan for when you do get sieged.
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Montgomery Crabapple
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Posted - 2011.04.28 14:52:00 -
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Edited by: Montgomery Crabapple on 28/04/2011 14:55:01
Originally by: Batelle
So ? ECM modules aren't inside a pos shield.
Only if you intend to control them yourself.
Edit: Ah, they seem to have changed things since revelation - before which was the last time I set one up.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.04.28 17:21:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 28/04/2011 17:22:38
Originally by: Smarcus Smokus If you just have ECM, then someone is going to eventually drop by with a smartbomb BS and just AFK smartbomb your ECM modules.
My modules are >12 km apart.
Have fun smartbombing them one by one. EWAR modules also have a ton of HP.
Really Easy Large POS Module Layout
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Gabariella
Fleem Co
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Posted - 2011.04.28 23:57:00 -
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Many of the opinions here are great (Keep it cheap, Deathstar or D1ckstar your large pos, start with plenty of fuel, etc).
Another thing you can do is stay off the path. Pick out a C4 that has a static C4 as it's exit. Although this makes logistics a little harder, it adds another layer of protection.
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Larissa Sunsorrow
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Posted - 2011.04.29 18:59:00 -
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Well, I don't want to start another thread, so I'll hijack this one:
Is possible to have a POS in a C2 system playing only 5 hours/day having only two accounts? (I work the entire day and play at night and I do a quick check on EVE during the midday) Do I need a large tower for a C2 system too? I was looking for doing small T2 production (copying, inventing and manufacturing things like damage control, warp scrawbler or cap rechargers).
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.04.29 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Larissa Sunsorrow Well, I don't want to start another thread, so I'll hijack this one:
Is possible to have a POS in a C2 system playing only 5 hours/day having only two accounts? (I work the entire day and play at night and I do a quick check on EVE during the midday) Do I need a large tower for a C2 system too? I was looking for doing small T2 production (copying, inventing and manufacturing things like damage control, warp scrawbler or cap rechargers).
I really don't recommend a medium control tower, as they are only passable deterrents, and that is without the load of industry modules. Industry modules attract attention in w-space as they are loot Pi+Ķatas.
I recommend a hisec POS if you are doing industry. There you can have a small or medium and dedicate the entire grid & CPU to industry modules unless wardec'd.
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