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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.05.04 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis statistics gov
That's...almost...insulting. --------
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.04 15:26:00 -
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Kudos to a job well done CCP. You keep plexin' it up for charity, I'll keep paying the inflation on the plex cards.
Because when plex cards are inflated, so is everything I sell. Its a win/win. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Cosmar
Gallente The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2011.05.04 16:07:00 -
[33]
CCP's paying customers are: - people who have a recurring subscription - people who buy ETC to pay their own account - people who sell PLEX on the market for isk (they pay other people's accounts)
Higher isk cost for a PLEX is not bad for any of their paying customers. You can't really cancel an account that is renewed with PLEX bought from the ingame market because there's nothing to cancel, someone else was paying for the account all along and it's that person's interest and opinions CCP should be worried about not the "free to play" isk farmer's.
As long as that person is still spending just as much on PLEXes (and if they get their money's worth in ISK why wouldn't they ?) all is peachy in CCP land.
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Aeronwen Carys
Empire of Dust
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Posted - 2011.05.04 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmar CCP's paying customers are: - people who have a recurring subscription - people who buy ETC to pay their own account - people who sell PLEX on the market for isk (they pay other people's accounts)
Higher isk cost for a PLEX is not bad for any of their paying customers. You can't really cancel an account that is renewed with PLEX bought from the ingame market because there's nothing to cancel, someone else was paying for the account all along and it's that person's interest and opinions CCP should be worried about not the "free to play" isk farmer's.
As long as that person is still spending just as much on PLEXes (and if they get their money's worth in ISK why wouldn't they ?) all is peachy in CCP land.
You honestly think that the opinion of a player that uses PLEX is worth less than someone who uses a credit/debit card? Can you really be that dense and still function in society? What about people that use both? How about retired people that play to pay? Or students? The same groups of people that are legally (in most countries) eligible to vote don't count in EVE if they pay by PLEX?
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Virtue Maulerant
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Posted - 2011.05.04 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Originally by: Cosmar CCP's paying customers are: - people who have a recurring subscription - people who buy ETC to pay their own account - people who sell PLEX on the market for isk (they pay other people's accounts)
Higher isk cost for a PLEX is not bad for any of their paying customers. You can't really cancel an account that is renewed with PLEX bought from the ingame market because there's nothing to cancel, someone else was paying for the account all along and it's that person's interest and opinions CCP should be worried about not the "free to play" isk farmer's.
As long as that person is still spending just as much on PLEXes (and if they get their money's worth in ISK why wouldn't they ?) all is peachy in CCP land.
You honestly think that the opinion of a player that uses PLEX is worth less than someone who uses a credit/debit card? Can you really be that dense and still function in society? What about people that use both? How about retired people that play to pay? Or students? The same groups of people that are legally (in most countries) eligible to vote don't count in EVE if they pay by PLEX?
That is some serious ownage.Mad props.
Cosmar....1/10
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Aeronwen Carys
Empire of Dust
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Posted - 2011.05.04 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Aeronwen Carys on 04/05/2011 17:27:55
Originally by: Cosmar CCP's paying customers are: - people who have a recurring subscription - people who buy ETC to pay their own account - people who sell PLEX on the market for isk (they pay other people's accounts)
Higher isk cost for a PLEX is not bad for any of their paying customers. You can't really cancel an account that is renewed with PLEX bought from the ingame market because there's nothing to cancel, someone else was paying for the account all along and it's that person's interest and opinions CCP should be worried about not the "free to play" isk farmer's.
As long as that person is still spending just as much on PLEXes (and if they get their money's worth in ISK why wouldn't they ?) all is peachy in CCP land.
Also, just to point something else out
Originally by: CCP Guard So next Friday, May 6, we will have a special redeemable present available to all pilots on active, paid accounts.
source: CCP Guards Devblog
CCP considers accounts paid by PLEX to be just as valuable as those paid for by debit/credit card. You utter twerp.
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Narome Bandur
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Posted - 2011.05.04 17:29:00 -
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Where is our PLEX for Scurvy?
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.04 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
Originally by: Aeronwen Carys Sorry, perhaps I should have been clearer, though since this thread was about PLEX donated to charity I would have thought my meaning was clear.
CCP make no profit from the PLEX given to charity as they convert those BACK into real money, add a bit of their own money, and then give THAT to the charity. What they are actually doing is LOSING money for every PLEX that is donated.
Now do you understand? I've got Bert and Ernie, Big Bird and The Count on hold just in case.
(1) PLEX for charity (2) higher PLEX price (3) PLEX more attractive relative to RMT (4) Profit!
filled in the "???" for you
(5) Less people use PLEX to play (6) Loss of accounts (7) Loss!
As we don't have the numbers on the quantity of PLEX used each month and how they vary when the price change we are only waving our internet tongues.
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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2011.05.04 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
As we don't have the numbers on the quantity of PLEX used each month and how they vary when the price change we are only waving our internet tongues.
This information may answer your concern:
QEN Q4 2010 - we held the PLEX for Good: Flood Relief drive during this quarter, as well as released an expansion. See page 46.
QEN Q1 2010 - the PLEX for Haiti drive was during this quarter. See page 35.
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Hori To
Masuat'aa Matari
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Posted - 2011.05.04 19:42:00 -
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OP should really think about his/her priorities.
PLEX for good is awesome and makes me proud to be a part of this community.
if OP can't afford to keep accounts afloat, OP should grind lvl 4 missions faster. (OP has to be missionrunner, everything else pays more for less effort.) |
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sarah mcjimmy
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Posted - 2011.05.04 20:53:00 -
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High PLEX prices are good for EVE and the fight against RMT. If you can't figure that out, you're a balloon.
Can't afford to keep that second account? HTFU.
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Gavjack Bunk
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.05.05 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: sarah mcjimmy High PLEX prices are good for EVE and the fight against RMT. If you can't figure that out, you're a balloon.
Can't afford to keep that second account? HTFU.
So if PLEX cost 100 trillion isk to buy would this cancel out RMT completely, or would it drive people by the thousand to alternative ISK sellers than CCP?
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Mandy Dian
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Posted - 2011.05.05 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
Originally by: sarah mcjimmy High PLEX prices are good for EVE and the fight against RMT. If you can't figure that out, you're a balloon.
Can't afford to keep that second account? HTFU.
So if PLEX cost 100 trillion isk to buy would this cancel out RMT completely, or would it drive people by the thousand to alternative ISK sellers than CCP?
If there are people willing to buy Plex for 100 Trillion ISK, and the RMT companies couldn't compete with that, then RMT would be cancelled out. If no one is willing to pay 100 Trillion ISK for Plex, then Plex wouldn't cost 100 Trillion ISK because believe it or not, CCP don't set Plex prices, the market does.
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Gavjack Bunk
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.05.05 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Mandy Dian and the RMT companies couldn't compete with that
How could that ever possibly occur? If you could not generate enough ISK in game in a 30 day PLEX period to buy another PLEX then quickly nobody could ever buy PLEX because it would be a completely unsustainable product with no possible means of purchasing in game and therefore no reason for anybody to pay actually money to generate one to try and sell.
So 100 trillion PLEX can generate more than 100 trillion ISK in 30 days, so therefore the RMT companies can always undercut PLEX prices, so therefore your point is invalid as it has no possible long term basis in reality. It can happen, but only until everybody has ran out of ISK.
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Cosmoes
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.05 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Cosmoes on 05/05/2011 11:15:36
Originally by: Telvani It annoys me how much CCP seek to inflate plex prices. They should keep a constant value of 30 days of game time nothing more, nothing less. Let the market sort itself out and if too many rich kids who haven't trivialised making ISK ingame flood the market that is their own fault.
This is something I will not quit eve over (unless it becomes direct) but if it gets too expensive it may not be worth keeping a 2nd account on plex for me
what exactly do you mean by direct? Do you mean as in them directly buying plexes to control prices?
If so you should check this from the QEN
Originally by: QEN p6-7
With a growing PLEX market (PLEX is the item with the highest trade value on the EVE market on any given day) and its function of facilitating the exchange of game time for ISK, players have become concerned about PLEX prices. PLEX is sold on an open market in a free exchange between players, just like most other items in EVE Online. Our core design principle of being hands-off from these markets also applies to the PLEX market. However, due to its complex function and potential impact on the velocity of money supply, the Central Bank might intervene in the PLEX market in order to curb inflation or avoid sudden deflation in the EVE economy. All such action would not be announced beforehand and only limited information would become public in the quarter after actions have been taken. These actions would aim at stabilization of the PLEX market and do not have a specific price target for PLEX or a specific inflation target for prices in EVE.
From the sounds of it they will just try and keep it stable so it doesn't jump suddenly. ------------------- piccy |
Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.05.05 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: TriadSte Agreeing with OP though, PLEX should be a set price.
Disagree PLEX ingame isk prices should vary like any other item that's ingame. Supply and demand is what effects the value of a PLEX ingame and it should stay that way, otherwise there would be no point having them ingame CCP might as well just sell the isk directly.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.05.05 12:20:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 05/05/2011 12:21:13
Originally by: TriadSte Agreeing with OP though, PLEX should be a set price.
Fine. The price shall henceforth be... 1,250,000,000.00 ISK ! No, wait, it should be 120,000,000.00 ISK ! No, wait, it should be... ...who the fudge are you kidding ?!? _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.05.05 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 05/05/2011 12:21:13
Originally by: TriadSte Agreeing with OP though, PLEX should be a set price.
Fine. The price shall henceforth be... 1,250,000,000.00 ISK ! No, wait, it should be 120,000,000.00 ISK ! No, wait, it should be... ...who the fudge are you kidding ?!?
Hey Akita, don't ask too much, you of anyone should know it makes no sense to make sense on these forums. -
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.05.05 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul (5) Less people use PLEX to play (6) Loss of accounts (7) Loss!
If paying your subscription with ISK-bought PLEX is going to be significantly more difficult for you when PLEX are 500M ISK instead of 300M ISK, you probably shouldn't be playing for your subscription with ISK-bought PLEX. Then again, some play-to-pay people will probably view that rise in price as a challenge and find creative new ways to make even more ISK than they used to.
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Chuck Sands
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Posted - 2011.05.05 15:18:00 -
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When you complain about charity you look like a jerk hole.
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Zee Chimp
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Posted - 2011.05.05 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Chuck Sands When you complain about charity you look like a jerk hole.
I'm starting a charity to help Osama Bin Laden's family, now their bread winner is dead they're going to go hungry. Surely, you're not going to complain, because then you would look like a jerk hole.
Oh wait.
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GIGAR
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.05.05 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: GIGAR on 05/05/2011 15:21:09
Originally by: Chuck Sands When you complain about charity you look like a jerk hole.
Or a realist. But I guess there's not really much difference.
Originally by: Zee Chimp
Originally by: Chuck Sands When you complain about charity you look like a jerk hole.
I'm starting a charity to help Osama Bin Laden's family, now their bread winner is dead they're going to go hungry. Surely, you're not going to complain, because then you would look like a jerk hole.
Oh wait.
Lol
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Hori To
Masuat'aa Matari
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Posted - 2011.05.05 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Zee Chimp
Originally by: Chuck Sands When you complain about charity you look like a jerk hole.
I'm starting a charity to help Osama Bin Laden's family, now their bread winner is dead they're going to go hungry. Surely, you're not going to complain, because then you would look like a jerk hole.
Oh wait.
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Gavjack Bunk
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.05.05 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Hori To
Originally by: Zee Chimp
Originally by: Chuck Sands When you complain about charity you look like a jerk hole.
I'm starting a charity to help Osama Bin Laden's family, now their bread winner is dead they're going to go hungry. Surely, you're not going to complain, because then you would look like a jerk hole.
Oh wait.
I am sure he will be missed by some.
We're defintely going to need a new bogeyman, but Gadaffi will probably step up to the plate, we've basically invaded the country of a man with a proven track record of attacking civilians on airplanes, n1 gf gf.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.05.05 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
Originally by: Hori To
Originally by: Zee Chimp
Originally by: Chuck Sands When you complain about charity you look like a jerk hole.
I'm starting a charity to help Osama Bin Laden's family, now their bread winner is dead they're going to go hungry. Surely, you're not going to complain, because then you would look like a jerk hole.
Oh wait.
I am sure he will be missed by some.
We're defintely going to need a new bogeyman, but Gadaffi will probably step up to the plate, we've basically invaded the country of a man with a proven track record of attacking civilians on airplanes, n1 gf gf.
Np, there'll be a republican president next time, we europeans can hate on him like usual. -
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Gavjack Bunk
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.05.05 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth Np, there'll be a republican president next time, we europeans can hate on him like usual.
I'm hoping for Sarah Palin. 4/8/12 years of extreme epic lulz would be really cool for those who somehow miraculously survive it.
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Mandy Dian
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Posted - 2011.05.05 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
Originally by: Mandy Dian and the RMT companies couldn't compete with that
How could that ever possibly occur? If you could not generate enough ISK in game in a 30 day PLEX period to buy another PLEX then quickly nobody could ever buy PLEX because it would be a completely unsustainable product with no possible means of purchasing in game and therefore no reason for anybody to pay actually money to generate one to try and sell.
So 100 trillion PLEX can generate more than 100 trillion ISK in 30 days, so therefore the RMT companies can always undercut PLEX prices, so therefore your point is invalid as it has no possible long term basis in reality. It can happen, but only until everybody has ran out of ISK.
You do realise that the RMT companies have to generate more than the price of PLEX per account per month in order to be profitable right? If they can't do that, they disappear. Whether its realistic for that to happen is unlikely, but there's no denying that rising PLEX prices cut directly in to the profits of RMT.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.05.05 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
Originally by: Misanth Np, there'll be a republican president next time, we europeans can hate on him like usual.
I'm hoping for Sarah Palin. 4/8/12 years of extreme epic lulz would be really cool for those who somehow miraculously survive it.
It'll be hard to be worse than Bush tho, but I'm sure she'll do her best to match it. -
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.05.05 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: Ranger 1 on 05/05/2011 17:03:30 Okay, enough.
1: CCP would make more money in this situation if the price of PLEX when purchased with real world currency rose.
2: The price of PLEX in real world currency has not risen.
3: The price of PLEX purchased with in game currency (ISK) puts no real world currency into CCP's hands except in an indirect manner.
4: If the in game currency price of PLEX DROPS, encouraging more people to use/buy PLEX CCP could possibly make more money because people might be tempted to open more accounts. Thus more PLEX would be purchased with real world currency to supply them.
5: If the in game currency price of PLEX INCREASES (as has been asserted here) people will tend to close extra accounts, thus fewer PLEX need to be purchased, thus hurting CCP's bottom line.
To sum up the price of PLEX in real world currency hasn't changed, hasn't fattened CCP's wallet in any way, and only has the potential to hurt CCP's income if the price in game were indeed to keep going up.
Edit: Typo's.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.05.05 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Gavjack Bunk
Originally by: Misanth Np, there'll be a republican president next time, we europeans can hate on him like usual.
I'm hoping for Sarah Palin. 4/8/12 years of extreme epic lulz would be really cool for those who somehow miraculously survive it.
It'll be hard to be worse than Bush tho, but I'm sure she'll do her best to match it.
Yeah, she'd probably devote her time to finishing what Bush started, take credit for it, and end up looking like a big damn hero.
Oh wait...
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