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Ashurmija
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Posted - 2011.05.04 22:24:00 -
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Howdie,
So back to missions for the 1st time in a while, I can run any T1 battleship and mave max standing with fed navy. I have an alt in a drake and I am going to duel box missions. My inquiry is what is the dream team when it comes this? I was think dps mach and regular golem. golem has more than enough tank, can kill anything that gets too close and has slavage skillz :) mach hits like a friggin beast, has great range control and looks awesome! haha. Any ideas on stratigies or alternet team combinations keeping in mind isk/ hour, fun level, and team effectivness. No amount of training is to much, just remember were talking high sec so I can't use my carrier or caps or anything :/
Discuss! :D
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Officer Icecream Truck
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Posted - 2011.05.04 22:46:00 -
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Step1: Invade space in 0.0 that doesn't suck. Step2: ???? Step3: Profit!
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Ave Kathrina
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Posted - 2011.05.05 03:02:00 -
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What Mr Icecream Truck said.
Or - if you love carebear hugs and semi-safe missioning: I use a dual LAR, tripple CCC dominx with t2 sentries sentries and a raven (cruise/torp as required but I usually just stay with cruise for range).
A mission like WC4:
Both warp in. Raven starts lobbing cruise at 140km with a sensor booster/targ range script. Domix starts to slow boat to the Serp gate. By the time Dominix arrives, the Serps are there and in sentry range so they all die quick.
Warp to second room. Dominix takes room aggro - either pop sentries or heavies. Raven warps in and smashes high dps BSs.
Warp to 3rd room. Dominxi takes room aggro. Raven warps in. <drone and missle party> Loot damaged herron.
I am currently training up an alt in Amarr BS so I will play with lazors for a while.
Mix it up, only risk faction BS if you can afford to lose it and wont QQ emorage /quit when a ninja blows you into salvage for his battle vigil.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente The Fimbriani Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.05.05 04:49:00 -
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Edited by: FT Diomedes on 05/05/2011 04:51:28 When I ran missions, I always dual boxed. It doesn't really matter that much what ships you use, as long as they are decent ships. It is nice to have ships that are easy to manage as the second account, at least until you get better at the multi-tasking.
You don't have to have a great tank on a pair of mission ships, because you have so much DPS available to kill stuff. With that said, I always put some tank on each ship, because I frequently get random crashes. I never went for the super tank on one and all gank on the other. I preferred to use two well-fit mssion ships (3x damage mods + best weapons available, then fit enough tank to survive and run for a reasonable amount of time).
One of my favorite combos is a Rattlesnake plus any Marauder. They can both tank easily while putting out good DPS, so I never have to worry about either ship. The T2 Sentry Drones on the Rattlesnake are easy to manage. In my mind, the Rattlesnake is the best wingman for any other ship out there, at least as far as ease of use is concerned. I've also used a regular Dominix, a Navy Dominix, an Ishtar, and, a Gila in this role. They are all very viable wingmen.
These drone ships are also very nice against Guristas or Serpentis missions with heavy EW. They can tank comfortably after drawing full room aggro and still put out constant DPS. That frees up your other ship to kill without being jammed. Absolutely wonderful for the first room on the Assault.
Another combination I love is a Bhaalghorn plus a Paladin. The long range webs are very nice to have. The Paladin brings long range tractor beams to the table, in addition to excellent tank and DPS.
I'm also very partial to the Tengu/Nighthawk/Drake wingman, especially on missions with lots of cruisers. I ran thousands of missions with a Nighthawk as my primary complement to a Marauder. These cruiser-class ships work very well with a torp Golem.
I do have a Machariel now, but I haven't used it for missions. It does bring some serious damage projection the field, so it would make a nice ship for the purpose. I think I will probably try to use it for something else and lose it in lol-tastic fashion. The Vindicator also puts out some decent DPS (even with rails). --- This doesn't even seem to be a regular case of rats fleeing the sinking ship. Seems more like the rats are on fire, the ship is on fire, and the sea is full of drunk Russians. - Jacob Etienne |
Tarasina
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Posted - 2011.05.05 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: Tarasina on 05/05/2011 11:44:33 I like Scorpion navy issue and Mach. Scorp flies like a Raven but has more tank. Cruise launchers etc. I tried a Rattlesnake for a short while, 1 or 2 missions before I sold it. It was like a Domi, good for afk. That is not the way I like my ships.
Both mach and scorp has 1 X-large shield booster and a heavy cap booster with '800' charges. Hardly ever have to use cap booster, in AE bonus room I might have to use 2-3 cap boosters. Yes, I'm being overcautios, so would you with 2 x 1 bil - 1.5 bil ships =).
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Versuvius Marii
Ghosts of CKSSA Joined Brotherhood
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Posted - 2011.05.05 14:56:00 -
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I dual-box my missions, but I don't have 2 toons in the same place. One will be in Amarr space, and the other in Caldari. For me, two toons in the same mission just isn't as productive as running 2 missions at the same time. In the right ship and with the right fitting lvl 4's are a piece of ****, plus it really spices things up as you need to concentrate. Blood Raider Blockade and Guristas Assault, at the same time? Yes please.
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But to answer your question properly, if you're going to do this your way then one DPS ship and a tanking ship. Make sure your DPS ship has at least some tank in case you get hit, and make sure your tank ship has enough DPS to be a worthwhile contribution. I believe the Raven/Domi setup listed above works wonders.
My perfect team-up is a bit expensive - Nightmare and Machariel. Both can tank AND spank; the Nightmare hits everything at a distance and the Mach mops up anything stupid enough to get closer.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.05 17:45:00 -
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Machariel + Orca.
Sound like a troll? Its not. They are in fact the dream team. You can use the ship maintenance bay to change your fit for each mission. You can take twice as many missions since you are dual boxing. You can salvage the mission while you run it because you can tank the **** out of an orca; they hold like a bazillion cap boosters. The tractor range is 70k. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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grumpyguts1
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Posted - 2011.05.05 20:16:00 -
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As mentioned earlier, have one tank and one gank setup. My tank is a 5 launcher Tengu, but still get really good dps out of it round 600dps with fury's. My second is either a 8 x tachyon abaddon or a torp raven with a MWD and range rigs. My alt has better gunnery skills so the Abaddon in some cases works better for me and I also like the look of the lasers firing :) The Tengu doesn't need much attention so the alt in the BS uses drones for frigs. Been thinking about a Nightmare for the second account, just not convinced yet the benefits will be there for the cost except for lots more tank and therefore more safety as apposed to the abaddon, but only had to warp out once in the abbadon, mostly cause I don't worry about spawns.
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Officer Icecream Truck
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Posted - 2011.05.05 20:51:00 -
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Many accounts dedicated to mission running in highsec is fail. Just so you're all well aware: there is a LOT more isk to be made elsewhere and with two accounts properly trained you can do with minimal risk too. If you're putting that much effort into making isk you might as well do it right.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.05 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Officer Icecream Truck Many accounts dedicated to mission running in highsec is fail. Just so you're all well aware: there is a LOT more isk to be made elsewhere and with two accounts properly trained you can do with minimal risk too. If you're putting that much effort into making isk you might as well do it right.
I am glad you are here to tell us what right is. So many of these jerk offs think games are about fun, when in fact they are about making the most virtual money. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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lordlulzs
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Posted - 2011.05.05 22:16:00 -
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tengu golem
or if your special
paladin mach
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.05.05 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Officer Icecream Truck à with two accounts properly trained à
Care to share some detail, or are you just trolling?
I'm not disputing that there is lots of ISK to be made from ratting of all forms in nullsec. I used to rat in backwater systems of Branch for about 60M ISK/hr in a poorly fit Drake. That was when I wasn't dragged off for CTAs, gatecamps or compulsory roams.
What does "properly trained" mean?
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Kat Bandeis
Caldari Space Pods Inc
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Posted - 2011.05.05 22:57:00 -
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Tengu + Navy Scorp (T2 fits). NS pilot comes back in Noctis to clean up.
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.05.05 23:06:00 -
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I use Paladin + Dominix. Paladin doesn't have a tank (couple of EANMs ofc); it's purely gank fitted. Domi has a dual rep tank and provides drones + RR and Cap Transfer to the Paladin. 3rd char comes in to clean up in Noctis :p.
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Officer Icecream Truck
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Posted - 2011.05.06 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Officer Icecream Truck Many accounts dedicated to mission running in highsec is fail. Just so you're all well aware: there is a LOT more isk to be made elsewhere and with two accounts properly trained you can do with minimal risk too. If you're putting that much effort into making isk you might as well do it right.
I am glad you are here to tell us what right is. So many of these jerk offs think games are about fun, when in fact they are about making the most virtual money.
Did you really just call dual-box highsec mission grinding "fun" ??? I mean, kudoz if you have the sick personality that can enjoy that kind of thing for prolonged periods of time. Personally I find the moderately higher risk and greatly increased rewards of low/null pve to be more entertainment than lazily plodding around empire with a mach and salvage monkey in tow.
Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Officer Icecream Truck à with two accounts properly trained à
What does "properly trained" mean?
Properly trained for the space you are farming. The general one-size-fits-all is a tengu and a scimi, both fit to be unprobable. Alternatives vary depending on region and what opportunities are avalible.
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Nuneval
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Posted - 2011.05.06 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Officer Icecream Truck
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Officer Icecream Truck Many accounts dedicated to mission running in highsec is fail. Just so you're all well aware: there is a LOT more isk to be made elsewhere and with two accounts properly trained you can do with minimal risk too. If you're putting that much effort into making isk you might as well do it right.
I am glad you are here to tell us what right is. So many of these jerk offs think games are about fun, when in fact they are about making the most virtual money.
Did you really just call dual-box highsec mission grinding "fun" ??? I mean, kudoz if you have the sick personality that can enjoy that kind of thing for prolonged periods of time. Personally I find the moderately higher risk and greatly increased rewards of low/null pve to be more entertainment than lazily plodding around empire with a mach and salvage monkey in tow.
Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Officer Icecream Truck à with two accounts properly trained à
What does "properly trained" mean?
Properly trained for the space you are farming. The general one-size-fits-all is a tengu and a scimi, both fit to be unprobable. Alternatives vary depending on region and what opportunities are avalible.
Shockingly, people play EVE for different reasons. Even more shockingly, most people are risk adverse rather than risk loving.
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Scorpii Orion
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Posted - 2011.05.06 07:19:00 -
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Why everyone are offering two different ships?
Much easier to have two same kind of ships, than two different.
Much less micro managing if you take two missile ships. Even easier is to go with two droneboats. Just set to guard or assign from alt.
And even more easier is to go with two rattlesnakes with passive tank. Over 900 dps with sentry drones together and no need to manage tank, just one cruise missile launcher is enough to get agro. When you get agro, set your drones and do something else while drones chew rats.
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.05.06 07:25:00 -
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Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr Amarrian Veterans Guild
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Posted - 2011.05.06 10:27:00 -
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Main in a ganky BS, alt in a Tank fit CS with appropiate Gang Links. Alt draws aggro in CS, main warps in with BS and PWN's.
Main salvages in a Noctis afterwards, transfers all non Meta 4 stuff to alt for melting down, alt makes ammo from refined loot, surplus minerals + meta 4 stuff sent to 3rd alt (trader) that sits in a trade hub.
Alt in CS can be left to their own devices after initial warp in, swicth on Gang Links and hardeners/reppers and drawing of aggro. Alt is on mains watch list just in case .
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Nuneval
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Posted - 2011.05.06 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Scorpii Orion Why everyone are offering two different ships?
Much easier to have two same kind of ships, than two different.
Much less micro managing if you take two missile ships. Even easier is to go with two droneboats. Just set to guard or assign from alt.
And even more easier is to go with two rattlesnakes with passive tank. Over 900 dps with sentry drones together and no need to manage tank, just one cruise missile launcher is enough to get agro. When you get agro, set your drones and do something else while drones chew rats.
2 missile boats = volley counting unless you want to waste a quarter of your dps. Passive drone boat or cap stable drone boat + missile boat offers the right blend of dps and ease of use for the majority of beginning dual boxers.
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Keiko Suzume
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Posted - 2011.05.06 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: Keiko Suzume on 06/05/2011 15:57:23 I was looking at dual boxing sanctums and found this. Basically using raven + domi which ca[ transfer each other, each dishing out around 500 dps and tanking 500 dps (with my crappy skills, the guy who made the post claims higher numbers)
I think it could work quite well for missions too, and if nothing else it's cheap and a good way to get practice with multiboxing
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.06 16:53:00 -
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Quote: Did you really just call dual-box highsec mission grinding "fun" ??? I mean, kudoz if you have the sick personality that can enjoy that kind of thing for prolonged periods of time. Personally I find the moderately higher risk and greatly increased rewards of low/null pve to be more entertainment than lazily plodding around empire with a mach and salvage monkey in tow.
Unfortunately since you don't have a single killmail I have to call bull**** on your carebear forum troll alt. You aren't taking any risks on the toon you're posting on. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Officer Icecream Truck
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Posted - 2011.05.06 22:00:00 -
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Edited by: Officer Icecream Truck on 06/05/2011 22:06:13
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Quote: Did you really just call dual-box highsec mission grinding "fun" ??? I mean, kudoz if you have the sick personality that can enjoy that kind of thing for prolonged periods of time. Personally I find the moderately higher risk and greatly increased rewards of low/null pve to be more entertainment than lazily plodding around empire with a mach and salvage monkey in tow.
Unfortunately since you don't have a single killmail I have to call bull**** on your carebear forum troll alt. You aren't taking any risks on the toon you're posting on.
Nice re-direct there sport. Don't have anything to refute my argument i'm assuming?
Also i'd like to thank you for getting mad about the fact I alt-post in the forums. That really makes my day.
Originally by: Nuneval Shockingly, people play EVE for different reasons. Even more shockingly, most people are risk adverse rather than risk loving.
So name the reason why you'd be unwilling to take on controlled and alltogether marginal risk for an improved version of the reward you are currently recieving?
I'm not arguing highsec is useless, but if you're going to put in :effort: I can only assume you want results.
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Jenko Raa
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Posted - 2011.05.08 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Officer Icecream Truck Edited by: Officer Icecream Truck on 06/05/2011 22:09:23 Edited by: Officer Icecream Truck on 06/05/2011 22:06:13
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Quote: Did you really just call dual-box highsec mission grinding "fun" ??? I mean, kudoz if you have the sick personality that can enjoy that kind of thing for prolonged periods of time. Personally I find the moderately higher risk and greatly increased rewards of low/null pve to be more entertainment than lazily plodding around empire with a mach and salvage monkey in tow.
Unfortunately since you don't have a single killmail I have to call bull**** on your carebear forum troll alt. You aren't taking any risks on the toon you're posting on.
Nice re-direct there sport. Don't have anything to refute my argument i'm assuming?
Also i'd like to thank you for getting mad about the fact I alt-post in the forums. That really makes my day.
Originally by: Nuneval Shockingly, people play EVE for different reasons. Even more shockingly, most people are risk adverse rather than risk loving.
So name the reason why you'd be unwilling to take on controlled and alltogether marginal risk for an improved version of the reward you are currently recieving?
I'm not arguing highsec is useless, but if you're going to put in :effort: like:
Quote: alternet team combinations keeping in mind isk/ hour, fun level, and team effectivness.
I can only assume you want results. Highsec does not reward that kind of effort like low and null does. So feel free to inform me of your magnificent bull**** highsec LP conversion rates and 20hour bed-pan poop-sock schedule of misison running, but I'm not the least bit impressed. Lowsec and nullsec are the place to be for a player who is concerned with fun, effectiveness, and reward; carebear or not.
Geeze. Carebears been told! /me jumps in pod, set destination to low sec.
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Gracehy
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Posted - 2011.05.08 09:22:00 -
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I like dual tengus. One HAM and one HML. They're also useful for if you ever end up plexing/anomalising in 0.0. Plus if you're feeling daring, you can make them unprobeable and run SoE L4s in Aeschee. Had a corp mate do that and it was very profitable (mainly as he didn't lose any ships!).
Used to use a nightmare for Amarr missions, and it was great but for fed navy maybe not ideal as only EM/thermal damage. Golem's are good, used them before T3 but I prefer tengu over it due to agility - plus I think mine gets more dps.
Thought about rattlesnake for running missions whilst I play other games.
The smart thing to do would be run two cheap BS/BC with gank and tank, Probably spend a fraction of the isk on the ships and still make nearly as much as two officier fit nightmares! However, I'd say that was boring. Why doesn't everyone drive a 50+ mpg car in rl?
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Fried'chickenisha
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Posted - 2011.05.08 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Officer Icecream Truck Edited by: Officer Icecream Truck on 06/05/2011 22:09:23 Edited by: Officer Icecream Truck on 06/05/2011 22:06:13
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Quote: Did you really just call dual-box highsec mission grinding "fun" ??? I mean, kudoz if you have the sick personality that can enjoy that kind of thing for prolonged periods of time. Personally I find the moderately higher risk and greatly increased rewards of low/null pve to be more entertainment than lazily plodding around empire with a mach and salvage monkey in tow.
Unfortunately since you don't have a single killmail I have to call bull**** on your carebear forum troll alt. You aren't taking any risks on the toon you're posting on.
Nice re-direct there sport. Don't have anything to refute my argument i'm assuming?
Also i'd like to thank you for getting mad about the fact I alt-post in the forums. That really makes my day.
Originally by: Nuneval Shockingly, people play EVE for different reasons. Even more shockingly, most people are risk adverse rather than risk loving.
So name the reason why you'd be unwilling to take on controlled and alltogether marginal risk for an improved version of the reward you are currently recieving?
I'm not arguing highsec is useless, but if you're going to put in :effort: like:
Quote: alternet team combinations keeping in mind isk/ hour, fun level, and team effectivness.
I can only assume you want results. Highsec does not reward that kind of effort like low and null does. So feel free to inform me of your magnificent bull**** highsec LP conversion rates and 20hour bed-pan poop-sock schedule of misison running, but I'm not the least bit impressed. Lowsec and nullsec are the place to be for a player who is concerned with fun, effectiveness, and reward; carebear or not.
pls low and null can be just as boring as highsec missions, so pls get off your soapbox.
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