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Unsuspicous guy
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Posted - 2011.05.05 01:49:00 -
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So i just checked the info of both of these carriers, and i really dont know which one is better. I also dont have any common fitting for them, but somehow i got the impression, the Thanatos is by far superior to the Nidhoggur.
Both share the same slot-layout. The Thanatos has more structure and 12.5k more base armor hitpoints. So the ehp on the Thanatos will be better than the Nidhoggur's. Also, the Thanatos has more Capacitor, which makes it less vulnerable to neuts. It also has a better targeting range and better signal strength. One point for the nid for the +10mm scanres. Also, the nid has a slightly smaller sigradius (lol) and can go a few m/s faster than the Thana.
Thanatos has 5% more damage per level, nid has 5% rep per level. Since i look at carriers as huge logistics, i would prefer the rep over the dps. Correct me if my view at carriers sucks and they are intended for dps while giving a little logilove.
So by now, we have a Thanatos with a better tank, better targeting stuff and slower locktime and slightly less mobility. And yet, the Thanatos has almost 160,000 MW more powergrid than the Nidhoggur. As mentioned above, i dont have any fittings for em, but i wonder if the Nidhoggur can keep up with the RR while maintaining the same local tank as the thanatos? Are the 160k powergrid important? Or do carriers usually have a lot of spare grid? |
Melleia
Vulcan Innovations
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Posted - 2011.05.05 02:19:00 -
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Edited by: Melleia on 05/05/2011 02:19:27 if(reppingPOS == 1){ carrier = "Nidhoggur"; } else{ carrier = "Thanatos"; }
System.out.println(carrier); System.exit(0);
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Darth McDarth
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Posted - 2011.05.05 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Melleia
if(reppingPOS == 1 || triageSupportShieldFleet == 1){ carrier = "Nidhoggur"; } else{ carrier = "Thanatos"; }
System.out.println(carrier); System.exit(0);
Fixed that for you
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Arazel Chainfire
The Awakened Armada Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2011.05.05 04:06:00 -
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Take a look at both, try to run a minimum of 2 remote reps while in triage, while fitting a local tank. Tell me what happens.
The problem with the nid isn't its bonuses - heck, its bonuses are probably the best for a carrier, period. The problem is that it is let down by its fitting. You cant fit shield remote reps AND a shield tank, while having enough cap to actually run things. Similarly, you don't have enough PG to fit an armor tank AND armor remote reps, while still having enough cap to run everything. Of course, you can always go with the local armor rep shield trans nid or vice versa... but seriously... why?
-Arazel
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Shade Millith
Caldari Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.05.05 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: Arazel Chainfire Of course, you can always go with the local armor rep shield trans nid or vice versa... but seriously... why?
-Arazel
Why not? If you're in triage, nothing can rep you anyway. It's all up to the carrier to stay alive, so the tank type matters not. ------------------------
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.05.05 09:17:00 -
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Edited by: Aamrr on 05/05/2011 09:18:48 It matters if you're trying to do a staggered triage. Repping up someone's shield when they're an armor tank isn't really that helpful, and the nidhoggur lacks the range bonus to capital energy transfer to get the capacitor back to peak, as well.
Edit: Works just fine for sustained or suicide triage, though.
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Melleia
Vulcan Innovations
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Posted - 2011.05.05 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Darth McDarth
Originally by: Melleia
if(reppingPOS == 1 || triageSupportShieldFleet == 1){ carrier = "Nidhoggur"; } else{ carrier = "Thanatos"; }
System.out.println(carrier); System.exit(0);
Fixed that for you
It was a bit of a joke.
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Wacktopia
Dark Side Of The Womb
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Posted - 2011.05.05 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Melleia
Originally by: Darth McDarth
Originally by: Melleia
if(reppingPOS == 1 || triageSupportShieldFleet == 1){ carrier = "Nidhoggur"; } else{ carrier = "Thanatos"; }
System.out.println(carrier); System.exit(0);
Fixed that for you
Java is a bit of a joke.
Fixed that for you
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King Rothgar
Path of the Fallen
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Posted - 2011.05.05 14:20:00 -
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As a triage carrier, the niddy is better since it's the only carrier that actually has a repping bonus. For pve and hotdropping, the thanny is better due to higher dps. Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig. |
Drykor
Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.05.05 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: King Rothgar For pve and hotdropping, the thanny is better due to higher dps.
For PVE, sure. But using a carrier for dps in PVP is fail so that point is moot.
Also, Nidhoggur is the only carrier that can effectively both shield rep and armor rep. So unless you want to skill for 2 capital races, Nidhoggur has a huge bonus there. Tbh I consider the Thanatos the worst carrier, the only thing it does better than others is PVE. I love the Archon for PVP, I love the Nidhoggur for its versatility, and hell even the Chimera is good if you need a dedicated shield repper with a great tank.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2011.05.05 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Drykor
Also, Nidhoggur is the only carrier that can effectively both shield rep and armor rep.
I have no idea how the thanatos reps shield or armor worse than the archon or chimera. Yes, all three is inferior to the nidhoggur at both shield and armor, but as far as armor or shield repairing goes the thannie is as good as either of the other two.
That said, if memory serves the thannie gets better cap and tank than the nidhoggur for triage, meaning it's a tradeoff between repping power and local tank. I'd recommend neither of the more specialized carriers however. Parrots, commence!
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Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
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Posted - 2011.05.05 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Drykor Also, Nidhoggur is the only carrier that can effectively both shield rep and armor rep.
The Thanny lacks the bonus to rep amount but has much better fitting and cap than the Niddy so they are pretty much equally capable of repping armour and shield, you trade a direct transfer percentage for a better ability to fit and apply the remote reps.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.05.05 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 05/05/2011 16:44:38 The Niddy is too constrained on fittings, cap, and local tank to make a good triage carrier. IMO, if you're fitting shield reps to your armor repping triage Niddy, you're wasting a RR slot that could be better used by transporting to the tanked layer. Similarly, the Archon is better for fleet work where the resist bonus definitely outshines the RR bonus, and the higher sensor strength never hurts either.
Some further consideration makes me think that the Niddy might be the best shield transporting triage carrier, but only because the Chimera has :lolcpu:.
Oh, and WRT the Thanny: trivially the best hot dropping/gank carrier, and the best PVE carrier.
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.05.05 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Rabblt on 05/05/2011 17:23:24
Originally by: Melleia Edited by: Melleia on 05/05/2011 02:19:27 if(reppingPOS == 1){ carrier = "Nidhoggur"; } else{ carrier = "Thanatos"; }
System.out.println(carrier); System.exit(0);
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Melleia
Vulcan Innovations
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Posted - 2011.05.05 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Wacktopia Fixed that for you
I'm not a programming major, care to enlighten me as to why?
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Headerman
Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.05.05 21:44:00 -
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As previously said the cap on the Niddy is a bit of a joke from CCP. The only things going for it are its bonuses which are great for repping any ship or structure in the game. Be careful with it and keep it out of the line of fire and it will do fine.
The Thanny is great for PVE work, i wouldn't reccomend hot dropping it onto enemies if you are new.
The Archon is amazing. great cap, great armour and awesome transfer range bonuses for cap and armour. It's definately the most versatile and forgiving carrier.
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Amda Tori
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.05 23:19:00 -
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Archon > Thanathos >>> Niddoghur > Chimera
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ELECTR0FREAK
Eye of God United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.08 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Amda Tori Archon > Thanathos >>> Niddoghur > Chimera
Q.E.D.
My Chimera, having survived situations other carriers would not, disagrees.
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Theodemir
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.05.08 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Wacktopia
Originally by: Melleia
Originally by: Darth McDarth
Originally by: Melleia
if(reppingPOS == 1 || triageSupportShieldFleet == 1){ carrier = "Nidhoggur"; } else{ carrier = "Thanatos"; }
System.out.println(carrier); System.exit(0);
Fixed that for you
Java is a bit of a joke.
Fixed that for you
Never laughed so hard reading this forum till now, bravo!
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Straight Edged
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Posted - 2011.05.08 22:19:00 -
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Archon >>>>>(1000 light years of >)>>>>>> Thanathos ~ Niddoghur ~ Chimera
~ as in they all suk. no one cares if its not amarr anyways.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Zor Industries Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.09 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Straight Edged Archon >>>>>(1000 light years of >)>>>>>> Thanathos ~ Niddoghur ~ Chimera
~ as in they all suk. no one cares if its not amarr anyways.
Because the Archon is amasing at providing triage support to a shield fleet right?
Archon for armour, Chimera for shield, Thanny PvE / DPS / jack of all trades, Nid needs fitting and cap to be boosted.
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Kari Trace
Caldari Nox Imperium
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Posted - 2011.05.09 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Darth McDarth
Originally by: Melleia
if(reppingPOS == 1 || triageSupportShieldFleet == 1){ carrier = "Nidhoggur"; } else{ carrier = "Thanatos"; }
System.out.println(carrier); System.exit(0);
Fixed that for you
I *heart* you both...
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Chase08888
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Posted - 2011.05.10 00:39:00 -
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If your not flying armour your doing it wrong. Archon ftw.<3
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Amitious Turkey
Gallente TarNec
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Posted - 2011.05.10 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Chase08888 If your not flying armour your doing it wrong. Archon ftw.<3
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I likegirls
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2011.05.10 04:49:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: Drykor
Also, Nidhoggur is the only carrier that can effectively both shield rep and armor rep.
I have no idea how the thanatos reps shield or armor worse than the archon or chimera. Yes, all three is inferior to the nidhoggur at both shield and armor, but as far as armor or shield repairing goes the thannie is as good as either of the other two.
That said, if memory serves the thannie gets better cap and tank than the nidhoggur for triage, meaning it's a tradeoff between repping power and local tank. I'd recommend neither of the more specialized carriers however.
neither of the more specialized carriers? Does that mean Archons and Chimeras? lol. you ares a noob.
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Jack Tronic
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Posted - 2011.05.10 06:04:00 -
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Originally by: Wacktopia
Originally by: Melleia
Originally by: Darth McDarth
Originally by: Melleia
Fixed that for you
Java is a bit of a joke.
Fixed that for you
std::string carrier = ( reppingPOS || triageSupportShieldFleet ) ? "Nidhoggur" : "Thanatos"; cout << carrier; exit(0);
Fixed.
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Headerman
Minmatar Element 115. Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.05.10 10:43:00 -
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(tirade incoming)
Why does the Nid suffer from cap issues anyway? When it comes down to Caldari Vs Minmatar for cap, who uses it more? Both fire cap-less weapons, but one relies on shield resists while the other relies on active tanking (sub cap wise anyway)
Minmatar needs more cap lurve!
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Azhpol
Gallente Casa Del Wombat
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Posted - 2011.05.10 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Headerman (tirade incoming)
Why does the Nid suffer from cap issues anyway? When it comes down to Caldari Vs Minmatar for cap, who uses it more? Both fire cap-less weapons, but one relies on shield resists while the other relies on active tanking (sub cap wise anyway)
Minmatar needs more cap lurve!
Actually, iirc, minnie is supposed to speed/sig tank, vs amarr/gallente armor tanks and caldari shields... But speed tanked cap ships do strike me as a little on the useless side ----------------------------------------------- I don't post on an alt, I post on my forum main! |
Headerman
Minmatar Element 115. Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.05.10 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Azhpol
Originally by: Headerman (tirade incoming)
Why does the Nid suffer from cap issues anyway? When it comes down to Caldari Vs Minmatar for cap, who uses it more? Both fire cap-less weapons, but one relies on shield resists while the other relies on active tanking (sub cap wise anyway)
Minmatar needs more cap lurve!
Actually, iirc, minnie is supposed to speed/sig tank, vs amarr/gallente armor tanks and caldari shields... But speed tanked cap ships do strike me as a little on the useless side
True that... a carrier going 10 m/s faster than all others is still pretty dumb lol
For caps though CCP has aimed Minmatar right on the doorstep of RR. And RR needs alot of cap.
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Larla Rosethorn
Minmatar Renegade Pleasure Androids PURgE Alliance
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Posted - 2011.07.14 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Millith
Originally by: Arazel Chainfire Of course, you can always go with the local armor rep shield trans nid or vice versa... but seriously... why?
-Arazel
Why not? If you're in triage, nothing can rep you anyway. It's all up to the carrier to stay alive, so the tank type matters not.
Obviously enough.. because you already have resists.
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