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Original Man
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.05.06 15:20:00 -
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I recently encountered, in my opinion, some immature players who feel that they can own hi sec astroides by harassing and pestering other pilots by bumping them away from the astroid belts. Astroid belts are there for any pilot. Not just the chosen few. I realize that this is supposed to be a game but when ppl do things like that it boggles my mind to learn that they think they can own astroid belts and then have the gall, audacity to demand ISK from those other than their little gang of groupies and even send an email message demanding ISK. I offer that, if any pilot touches another pilots ship, by ramming it to remove it from astroid belt mining range, should be shot down by Concord. To me its just as offensive as firing upon your ship. I'm offering this up to mature pilots for discussion. Not immature little giggles who think that kind of game play is fair. It's totally unfair. Low-Sec is one thing and Hi-Sec something altogether different. Pilots who enjoy the PVE aspects of EVE, like myself, should be able to exist and operate in Hi-Sec without the annoyance of immature, toddler like minded players. My guess is that the perpetuators are more than likely just that juviniles. If they are not that and are so-called grown ups, acting in this fashion then, shame on them and their lack of mental resolve in their adult stage of life.
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Drone Rogue
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Posted - 2011.05.06 15:37:00 -
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1) Move to another belt/system - or mine a belt in a combat mission - a lot of them have roids you can't get in Minmatar space - like Pyroxeres, which is worth a lot at the moment with Nox prices what they are. With the latter they'll have to scan you out which they probably can't be bothered to.
2) If they're harassing you in frigs then try warping in a destroyer and suicide ganking them. Coercers with pulse lasers can two-shot most frigs, and if they're bumping you they're probably in speed fit paper-thin things.
3) What system is this? I LOVE killing can-flippers :)
4) EVE is a dark place. Any low-down tactic is legit and makes EVE the exciting place that it is. CONCORDE killing peope for bumping a ship is absurd... th exits of stations would be littered with wrecks. |
Original Man
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.05.06 15:44:00 -
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I encountered this in Halle.
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Original Man
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.05.06 16:01:00 -
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Thank you for youe response. However, i do not totally agree with response number 4. I think that once a few of the mental midgets get blasted, by Concord, for bumping an innocent ship, it would stop. I do not agree that it would diminish excitement in the EVE environment. But, that's just me and my derivation of the situation. Once again thank you.
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Eidric
Tears of Terra SOLAR WING
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Posted - 2011.05.06 16:09:00 -
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If they are harassing you for fun you are free to file a petition against them.
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2011.05.06 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Original Man Thank you for youe response. However, i do not totally agree with response number 4. I think that once a few of the mental midgets get blasted, by Concord, for bumping an innocent ship, it would stop. I do not agree that it would diminish excitement in the EVE environment. But, that's just me and my derivation of the situation. Once again thank you.
I think you missed the point that Drone was making. If your idea of Concord attacking 'bumpers' was put in place, what do you think yould happen outside the undocking point of a busy station?
The thing is, in Eve you are not supposed to be all wrapped up in cotton wool and safe. If someone does this to you either move on, or pick some way of fighting back.
If you are a miner (not a fighter), then use your ISK to hire mercs. Have them do the dirty work and drive these people out of 'your' system.
------------------------ Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------ |
Original Man
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.05.06 16:47:00 -
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I certainly did and I apologize for not locking on to that very good point. In that case CCP would certainly have to take that into consideration. As the cats say, my bad.
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Original Man
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.05.06 16:50:00 -
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I did file a petition. After I cooled down I figured out a way to thwart their juvenile activity.
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Danika Princip
Minmatar Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.05.06 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Original Man I recently encountered, in my opinion, some immature players who feel that they can own hi sec astroides by harassing and pestering other pilots by bumping them away from the astroid belts. Astroid belts are there for any pilot. Not just the chosen few. I realize that this is supposed to be a game but when ppl do things like that it boggles my mind to learn that they think they can own astroid belts and then have the gall, audacity to demand ISK from those other than their little gang of groupies and even send an email message demanding ISK. I offer that, if any pilot touches another pilots ship, by ramming it to remove it from astroid belt mining range, should be shot down by Concord. To me its just as offensive as firing upon your ship. I'm offering this up to mature pilots for discussion. Not immature little giggles who think that kind of game play is fair. It's totally unfair. Low-Sec is one thing and Hi-Sec something altogether different. Pilots who enjoy the PVE aspects of EVE, like myself, should be able to exist and operate in Hi-Sec without the annoyance of immature, toddler like minded players. My guess is that the perpetuators are more than likely just that juviniles. If they are not that and are so-called grown ups, acting in this fashion then, shame on them and their lack of mental resolve in their adult stage of life.
So, you would like to see every single ship that undocks from a busy station concorded too?
Here is a counter-proposal: Everyone who is incapable of using paragraphs on the forums should be shot down by concord.
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Bedlin
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Posted - 2011.05.06 19:15:00 -
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Edited by: Bedlin on 06/05/2011 19:17:29 Wow, I cannot believe this has stayed this civil for this long, so in the spirit of not flaming I will carefully word this.
Part of what makes this game unlike a lot of the other games on the market is that we are not just allowed but encouraged to engage in questionable, at best, and vilely base actions at worst in interacting with one another. To that end even the advertisement movies that CPP put out on the market depict gaining the trust of an entire alliance only to double cross them with the hope that it will demoralize and destroy a virtual empire.
This is fundamentally not a soft and fluffy world. Eve is a dark, reflection of what reality could be like if a fraction of humanity were uplifted to the point of plying the stars as a race of demigods where even death and killing themselves are just a means of amusement in a never ending quest for power.
The basic guide book that should meet every new person to eve and what every seasoned player knows starts with 2 rules in the forward, even before a table of contents: 1. Don't trust anyone. 2. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
With all that I have said I think the important thing that we all want to say is that the game gives you a good deal of freedom to deal with this situation from relocation to retribution, find a way to play the game. (Personally my strategy would be to mine IN SPITE of them might even use the forums here to broadcast it and get a few other miners to join me in mining the place out. I am not really a miner though so that might not be your best strategy.)
Sorry about the wall of text.
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Feligast
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.06 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Bedlin Edited by: Bedlin on 06/05/2011 19:17:29 Wow, I cannot believe this has stayed this civil for this long, so in the spirit of not flaming I will carefully word this.
Why feed the troll?
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SGT FUNYOUN
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.07 05:59:00 -
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Originally by: Original Man ...should be able to exist and operate in Hi-Sec without the annoyance of immature, toddler like minded players. My guess is that the perpetuators are more than likely just that juviniles. If they are not that and are so-called grown ups, acting in this fashion then, shame on them and their lack of mental resolve in their adult stage of life.
Dude... you are griping about other PLAYERS in a VIDEO GAME playing bumper cars. Perhaps if you weren't a MACRO MINER YOU WOULDN'T HAVE PROBLEMS BEING BUMPED DURING MINING. I mine all the time; as such another player bumping me does not make problems for me because I sit at my computer actually playing the game ... The only "players" who get knocked so far off the roids as to no longer be in the roids field and then gripe about it are MACRO MINERS. If you were not a macro miner then such a thing would not bother you because all you would need to do is press "CTRL - SPACE" and stop your ship.
You are macro mining.
Get out before I have CCP ban you. Yargh. I be SGT Funyoun. King of the Pirates!!! |
Fara Naava
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Posted - 2011.05.07 11:11:00 -
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Edited by: Fara Naava on 07/05/2011 11:11:52 so, you're mining in Halle ?
suicide crew on the way
P.S: yes, the idea is terrible
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Gin G
The Helghast Corporation
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Posted - 2011.05.07 11:46:00 -
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Chat i mean crylogs from the incident in question (BTW still not harassment)
Local chatlogs of original man crying about this.
1. "I offer that, if any pilot touches another pilots ship, by ramming it to remove it from astroid belt mining range, should be shot down by Concord."
Ok so your happy you get to carebear in piece but how will this affect everyone els apart from sulky old you so if someone accidentally touches another persons ship they get concorded the undock of 4-4 will be even worse than it is now with dozens of concord spawns and a whole host of very angry people.
Next time try thinking about a decent idea that would benefit everyone now just yourself.
Also for the record we dont own the belts in that system but your disrupting our mining effort so its only right that me encourage you to move on as talking to you dosnt work but as decent mature eve player we still pay well within eve rules.
PS. I hope you enjoy my spanglish and grammar. Please refrain from editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist |
Marchocias
Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2011.05.07 12:39:00 -
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Came expecting ideas for CCP to promote more MILF.
Leaving disappointed. ---- I belong to Silent Ninja (Hopefully that should cover it). |
Oregin
Red Sky Morning BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.05.08 00:19:00 -
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That is the best local raging I've heard in a long time. Thanks Gin G.
Love the irony that the 'mature' player is throwing obscenities around so freely.
He's getting some Maelstrom loving soon...
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Brycesv1
Caldari Elko Bail Bonds Lonely Maple Conglomeration
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Posted - 2011.05.08 00:45:00 -
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OP added to miner harassment list
------------------------------------------------- There once was a man from Nantucket. Who tried to build a good ship but said "**** it". He grabbed his glue and his duct tape too. And thats why th |
Brek Blood
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Posted - 2011.05.08 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: Original Man I encountered this in Halle.
EVE is a big place. Just go elsewhere.
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Christmyth
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Posted - 2011.05.08 09:53:00 -
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Edited by: Christmyth on 08/05/2011 09:54:49
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Original Man
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.05.08 10:07:00 -
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Edited by: Original Man on 08/05/2011 10:08:09 [b]If anyone believes that they can get me banned because I execercise my right to Freedom Of Speech try it, and this situation can get bigger than you ever dreamed. People should not have the right to send threatening emails and record insulting and ridiculous conversation as some of you have towards my person. The people who have responded civily I respect them irregardless of any differing opinions. However, those of you who have chosen to react uncivily shall be added to my report. You who have decided to act ignorant may yourself be banned. CCP itself recommended to me that I offer my experience on these posts. Will they be amazed at some of the responses I have received. If you cannot communicate with intelligence, I suggest you keep quiet. Those of you who have suggested I mine somewhere else, I appreciate your civil and responsible response but I have considered that but I refuse to submit to child like pressure. Not even close to bowing down to that and as far as WOW is concerened? WOW has lost many customers for similiar reasons as what is now occurring in EVE. We all know money talks.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.08 10:09:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 08/05/2011 10:10:43
Originally by: Original Man I execercise my right to Freedom Of Speech
You have no such right or freedom on these forums or in-game.
Oh, and you should be happy to get any response at all considering the state of your posts. Learn basic formatting ù it's not hard. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Original Man
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.05.08 10:15:00 -
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Show me your proof that I don't have a right? People get charged for intimidation and threats. Sure, these petty quabbles don't reach that level but it lends itself to that kind of Vicious behaviour. If ccp agress with the likes of you so be it.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.08 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Original Man Show me your proof that I don't have a right?
It's a private forum. You have no rights. Go read the EULA.
"Freedom of speech" is something governments deal with by not making laws that prohibit the expression of ideas among its citizenry. CCP is not a government; their rules are not laws; you are not a citizen of CCP-land. They're well within their rights to toss you out, censor you, and/or mute you for no reason whatsoever, because it's their forums and you're only allowed in here on their sufferance. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Danika Princip
Minmatar Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.05.08 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Original Man Edited by: Original Man on 08/05/2011 10:08:09 [b]If anyone believes that they can get me banned because I execercise my right to Freedom Of Speech try it, and this situation can get bigger than you ever dreamed. People should not have the right to send threatening emails and record insulting and ridiculous conversation as some of you have towards my person. The people who have responded civily I respect them irregardless of any differing opinions. However, those of you who have chosen to react uncivily shall be added to my report. You who have decided to act ignorant may yourself be banned. CCP itself recommended to me that I offer my experience on these posts. Will they be amazed at some of the responses I have received. If you cannot communicate with intelligence, I suggest you keep quiet. Those of you who have suggested I mine somewhere else, I appreciate your civil and responsible response but I have considered that but I refuse to submit to child like pressure. Not even close to bowing down to that and as far as WOW is concerened? WOW has lost many customers for similiar reasons as what is now occurring in EVE. We all know money talks.
Give me a reason not to send a ten hour hero out to gank you repeatedly?
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Original Man
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.05.08 11:01:00 -
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Yes, it may be a private forum but it impacts people all over the world. Despite the fact that EVE is a so-called Dark World and supposedly anything goes, threats go beyond that tolerance in my opinion. If you cannot understand that tough. It can get out of control. I tried blocking one clown who sent me a threat. I blocked this individual yet, that person continued to send me another idiotic email bypassing my block. I reported this. I did not start this nonsense. I was minding my business bothering no one. But you have those type of people who try to use intimidation and others of their mental elk chime in like sheep and offer more threats. I reported all of this junk. Some folks refer to me being a so-called care bear. So what. Insults mean nothing. Absolutley nothing. I do believe that CCP should consider the threat aspects and insulting emails more carefully and ponder whether this kind of ridiculous activity should be allowed. I will find out soon enough and so will you and everyone else in this Dark World.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.08 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Original Man Yes, it may be a private forum but it impacts people all over the world.
So? You still have no freedom of speech. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Original Man
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.05.08 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: Original Man on 08/05/2011 11:16:47 Edited by: Original Man on 08/05/2011 11:15:38 Send out your so-called zero. It will just add to my already elongated list of complaints againts vilification by those of you who have nothing better to do with your lives. Help yourself. I'll report any and every offense in space and this forum which has turned out to be one huge humongous waste of time excpet for a few mature folks that spoke with civilty and I would be happy to converse with anytime. Something will eventually happen. Maybe they'll get tired of the likes of you or me. if I decide to stick around and find out.
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Danika Princip
Minmatar Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.05.08 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Original Man Something will eventually happen.
Yes, you will get banned for wasting GMs time. None of these so-called offences are actually against EVE rules.
I'll p[ay 5 million isk for this guy's frozen corpse.
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Gin G
The Helghast Corporation
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Posted - 2011.05.08 11:54:00 -
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As talking doesn't work ANYTHING we do it perceived as a threat or harassment and even offering to help him understand what eve really is FOR FREE gets you petitioned (i bet the GMs love him christ i thought my grammar was bad) i feel that making a offer of 50M isk for original mans corpse would be appropriate oh and ill tell you why this isnt harassment.
Thanks to your incessant whining you have managed to insult me and other like me you have hurled abuse at us and called us names both on this forum,in local chat and in your bio and thus you have given me and many other dozens of very good reasons to extract some retribution upon you and last time i checked as long as theres a good reason for it we are all perfectly allowed to go ahead and do it.
So guys 50M for his corpse i want a API verified KM on battleclinic to confirm it.
PS. i know your going to petition this as well so i apologise right now to the GMs for this mans behaviour. Please refrain from editing a moderator's warning. Zymurgist |
Marchocias
Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2011.05.08 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Original Man CCP itself recommended to me that I offer my experience on these posts.
I love our GMs... in what other game would they send douchbags to the forums just for our entertainment? ---- I belong to Silent Ninja (Hopefully that should cover it). |
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