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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.05.06 16:57:00 -
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Much, much work is to be done in Abudban. I believe that this system is a good place for the Disciples to be active. There is much greed here, but already I have also found resistance to greed. There is both cowardice and the bravery of restraint in this place. I believe I will learn much here.
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Ston Momaki
Caldari Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.05.06 17:43:00 -
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Manwe, good work today. What you didn't share was how you picked up that frozen corpse, contacted the owner and offered to give it a decent burial or return it to him. I hope you hear back from him. If not, does anyone know what the burial rights of the Intaki are? Oh yes, Manwe also gave 500,000 ISK to a pilot who showed "resistance to greed." Nice touch Manwe. I agree with you that there is a ton of work to do in Abudban. We will hit it again tomorrow for a while then I'll leave you on your own.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.05.06 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ston Momaki Manwe, good work today. What you didn't share was how you picked up that frozen corpse, contacted the owner and offered to give it a decent burial or return it to him. I hope you hear back from him. If not, does anyone know what the burial rights of the Intaki are? Oh yes, Manwe also gave 500,000 ISK to a pilot who showed "resistance to greed." Nice touch Manwe. I agree with you that there is a ton of work to do in Abudban. We will hit it again tomorrow for a while then I'll leave you on your own.
There are burial traditions used for capsuleers' clones?
It sounds like you guys are doing some interesting work, by the way. Social experimentation and studying, that is. Unity Prevails. |
Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2011.05.06 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Rek Jaiga There are burial traditions used for capsuleers' clones?
We gather that at least one capsuleer currently oversees a capsuleer cemetary. This may be the closest to a burial tradition across capsuleer society. However in this particular case, pilot Momaki may want to seek data pertaining to the rebirth ceremony among the intaki, and the actions taken with the vacated body at that time.
We Return
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.05.07 10:14:00 -
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Capsuleers are so used to greed and force that it is beyond their comprehasion quite often that anyone would seek otherwise. I had a long conversation with a miner tonight after flipping his can. I think that sometimes pessimism is so deep that it will not dislodge. I had two capsuleers ask detailed questions about the Disciples and our work. This might be a fruitful system after all.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.05.09 17:40:00 -
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INDOCTRINATION With the majority of capsuleer pilots that I have encountered, I have discovered a shared indocrination. There is a common belief/ twisted morality/ shared philosophy that one must accumulate ISK. Those who do not are criticised for not "doing things the right way" in New Eden. What is the source of this universal indoctrination? I am not sure, but I hope to discover it through my work a s disciples. I have found strengthened purpose.
I am here to come between you and ISK you worship. I am here to expose your indoctrination. I am here to remind you of the lies you have believed. I am here to tell you that you worship a god whose name is "ISK".
I flipped the can of a recent clone just this morning. Her reaction was telling. There was sense of, "why are you interapting what every tells me I am supposed to be doing?" I ask, "Why do you believe that you are supoosed to accumulate large amounts of ISK?" Why do you believe that you should enjoy the destruction of others? Why do you beleive that the best kind of power and influence is achieved through greed and violence?
I am here to come between you and your gods and to try to force you to ask these questions.
Manwe, Disciple of Ston
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.05.09 19:40:00 -
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What a remarkable day. I had an encounter with a very angry miner today. This is the first time I have seen a capsuleer border on whining. Usually, the violence just happens and things go on. This situation involved quite a bit of dialoge both before and after he destroyed me for flipping his unsecured can of minerals.
In our "talk" he finally tried to trump me with the old, "my kids are starving" angle. If I am any judge of character, he was lieing through his teeth. However, rather than bring that up, I just gave him 1 million Isk and told him it was for the kids.
This pilot was full of anger. As I come between pilots and what they hold dear, many things are revealed. Sadly, the greatest revelation is how empty their lives really are. There is so much work to do.
Manwe, Disciple of Ston
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.05.10 14:14:00 -
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I noted Ston's activity last night. I appreciate the fact that as a Disciple I am autonomous. I also appreciate that Ston has said that he is open to criticism and critique. I saw some problems with what happened last night and it caused me to refine my MO just a bit.
I have decided to take the extra time and only take offensive weapons from the wrecks I loot. I have begun to communicate a more pacifistic focus in the system. I continue to flip unsecured cans, but quickly abandon them.
I see a need to make more room for the positive in people to emmerge. Perhaps a little more gentleness in Ston's provocations last night would have made for better results. Let's actually try to tip the balance toward a peaceful reaction. If potential for restraint is there, why not enable it when we can?
Please don't boot me from the corp for this.
Respectfully, Manwe
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.05.11 14:37:00 -
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HOSTILITY Disciples of Ston uncover this on a daily basis. In our work, we regularly come between a person and their wealth. This generates any number of inner workings, motivations, and values. I encountered both ambivalence and hostility; ambivalence from the "victim" of theft and hostility from others.
When I released the contents of a flipped can this morning, I was told to, and I will paraphrase, "forcefully insert the contents into the rectal oriface of your mother." Things can get very interesting in this work. Peace
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.05.12 19:51:00 -
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I worked only a short time today, but had an interesting encounter. I ran across what is often referred to as a Pilot vs Pilot trap today. A couple of yellow tagged cans were labelled free for the taking. Clone pilots use these bates to intentionally engage in violent acts against one another.
Disciples of Ston regularly investigate this behavior and seek to understnad it. I opened the first can and discovered a mix of weapons and mining equipment. I took the weapons into my cargo hold and ejected the mining equipment into another can, turned it blue and labelled it as free mining equipment.
About that time, in warps the pilot to kill me. He warp blocked and webified me. I told him I was unarmed and explained what I was doing. He let me go. Before our conversation ended, he remarked, 'I like your Corp."
I am not sure just what to make of this. You be the judge.
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Hori To
Masuat'aa Matari
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Posted - 2011.05.12 23:31:00 -
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You should travel more, I can recommend low/null. Lots of interesting people there. |
Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.05.13 14:38:00 -
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Sexual Humor Sexual humor is a frequent occurence in New Eden. Perhaps the Disciples of Ston should study this further. The Capsuleer is inundated by chemical replacements, neuro-stimulants, boosters, implants, etc. The clone bodies of the capsuleer flow with the pleasure giving chemicals that others derive from things like, sexuality, eating, exercise, etc. Is the prevalence of sexual humor because of the capsuleers lack of need for real sex? Has verbalization replaced the real thing? Something to explore.
Capsuleer Boredom Caps are often bored. They tire easily of mining, fighting, trading, etc. Strange, though, instead of confronting their boredom with deeper pursuits, there seems to be this futile pursuit of the same things that drive their boredom. The pursuit of wealth and violence create a tolerance that demands greater levels of stimulation that cannot be satisfied. The Disciples of Ston are here to confront this and maybe liberate a few from their futility.
Fast Can Flip As a Disciple of Ston, I am supposed to show humility at all times, but I just have to say that I did the fastest can flip I have ever done today. I flipped the can contents into a new can, titled it "Join the Disciples of Ston," abandoned it blue, and warped out before the pilot could target lock me. Too fun.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.05.14 19:50:00 -
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VIOLENCE AND GREED SPAWN FEAR AND DIMINISH HUMAN VALUE
Many interesting encounters today... One in particular, though, caught my attention. A lengthy conversation with a capsuleer revealed what we as Disciples of Ston have suspected and seen confirmed on many occasions. Among the violent and greedy, fear trumps values. Many capsuleers claim that they are following principles of justice when they kill a disciple for stealing. Let me tell you how this claim was tested and shown to be false.
After taking weapons from Mr. Cap (not his real name), He threatened to kill me and said that he would hunt me down. He claimed that as a thief, I should die. I said that I had been killed many times and would not shrink from his violence. We arranged a meeting place and I said that I would be there after making my rounds through the belts collecting weapons. When I was done, we met. He was angry, because apparently, the legal time for my destruction had past.
I asked if his weapons would stop working at that time. He answered that his ship was more important to him. I asked if he was afraid of losing his ship. He did not answer. To avoid taunting him, I did not pursue the question any more. However, it was plain that fear of loss trumped his expressed values of outrage over my theft. Was his sense of justice able to overcome his fear? No.
Fear of loss almost always tests our other values. Funny thing, even for the so called "immortal capsuleer" few are willing to die for values outside of their own greed and lust for violence and vengeance. We, as Disciples of Ston, are not immune to this either. It is a weakness in all humans. That is why we do not accumulate anything that we might fear to lose. Our vow of poverty enables us to carry out our business with the least encumbrance of fear.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.05.16 02:17:00 -
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Little time to work today. It was very quiet in Abudban today in spite of regular activity. I guess we all need a break now and then, even the Disciples of Ston.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.05.17 14:40:00 -
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Today's Topic: Vengeance, Justice, and Forgiveness. I enjoyed an opportunity for conversation with two thoughtful pilots on the subject of vengence vs justice and the function of forgiveness. They had some interesting and poignant thoughts. It seemed that there was agreement that taking revenge always eclipses forgiveness while a focus on justice allows for the tempering influence of forgiveness.
For my people, the Minmatar, I think this is a vital distinction. What will we be known as? A vengeful people or a people of justice. As a Disciple of Ston, my MO is very different from other Minmatar. I seek non-violent ways to confront attitudes and actions in my small sphere of influence.
Thanks to the pilots who were a part of today's conversation. The Disciples of Ston bid you peace.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.05.18 15:41:00 -
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Mythical earth literature tells a story of a king named Aragorn. This king once said, "One who cannot cast away a treasure in time of need is in fetters." Some capsuleers are in fetters and others are not. Those in fetters show their lack of peace usually through violence. Those not in fetters usually react with wit or humor. So it goes here in Abudban.
Then there is this Brutor pilot...I have stolen from this person frequently, but yet this individual, in typical Brutor fasion, refuses to utter a word. However in untypical Brutor fashion, there has been no violent reaction. I have seen this person's ship and weapons and she is quite capable of turning me into space dust. Hmmm? What might be the reason?
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.05.20 15:09:00 -
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Again...? That was the question asked of me today. There seems to be a perception that the work of the Disciples of Ston cannot possibly continue in the economic environment of greed and violence present in New Eden. My response? We have much work to do and we will keep doing it. The Disciples of Ston bid you peace
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.05.21 16:06:00 -
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Non-violence is utterly despised by some in this place we call New Eden. A bit of a mis-nomer if you ask me. East of Eden would be a better name perhaps. Today I found the level of spite, anger, and hatred that Ston warned me to expect in this work. When I asked permission from the Disciples to hone my MO in the area of non-violence and pacifism, I immediately received responses that were mostly dismissive.
Today, I met a capsuleer who had somewhat stronger feelings. He identified me with an ancient cultural term, "tosser" or "idiot," or "loathesome." What do we do with "loathesome idiots?" We destroy them, of course. We liquidate them. We certainly do not tolerate any loathesome idiot who would promote peace, non-violence, non-greed, etc.
The "rules" of this universe are to gain what you can by whatever means possible. The Disciples of Ston are here to challenge that assumption. That is our "folly." That is what makes us so very "loathesome."
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.05.23 14:43:00 -
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All bets are off it seems, a t least for awhile. I was supposed to be sent into Amarrian space for a short assignment, but I think I'll hang tight here in Abudban until I hear whether or not we will still have a corp by the end of the week. It all reminds me of how incredibly flawed we ALL are. Words are dangerous and are hard to take back. When we are tired or angry or hungry, words come too easy. Stay tuned, I guess.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.05.23 19:14:00 -
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Changed my mind; I am heading to Madirmilire in Amarr space. I'm not gonna waste time while others are in conflict. My word to Ston and Edaine is to put this behind them and get on with it.
A Minmatar Disciples of Ston in Amarr space. This could be interesting.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.05.23 22:16:00 -
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I am so glad I made the decision to go on in to Amarr space and begin a work there. I deeply appreciate the Khanid pilot who took the time to converse with me. I found our conversation refreshing.
There is a membrane between Minmatar spirituality and Amarr theology that, at places is so thin that one can see through it. At other places it is thick and opaque. But, even at its thinnest places where light passes through seemingly unhindered, it still possesses the strength of an unbreakable force, forged by history, war, culture, hatred, and unforgiveness.
I see now the logic of sending a Minmatar mystic as a disciple of Ston in to Amarr space. I am under no delusion that I will break the membrane. But, perhaps I can stretch it even a bit more.
I found it interesting the the only Amarrian I was able to talk to, I did not steal from. There were an awful lot of Gallente in the system today. I look forward to the time I will spend here.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.05.24 15:57:00 -
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What started out as a very quiet morning here in Madirmilire, turned out to be very interesting on four fronts. First, I had an interaction with a brutor pilot that resulted in me receiving 20 million ISK from him. So, now I have a 20 million ISK grant to give away to any pilot interested in promoting peace and goodwill in New eden. Just contact me if you want the ISK.
Second, I had a good conversation with a Gallentean who seemed genuinely interested in the work of the Disciples of Ston.
Third, I was disappointed that no Amarrians would interact this morning. Must keep trying, though.
Fourth, I see Ston has apologized. Edaine, it is in your court now, You gonna forgive, or no?
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.05.25 19:05:00 -
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Spoke with a member of the Ni-Kunni today. I was saddened by the short but revealing conversation. She was part of a corporate mining operation with two Acura and one Caldarian. SInce she was the only member of the empire, I chose to try to speak to her. I asked her, as a lower cast of assimilated people, if was good with that. Her answer surprised me and sounded more Caldari than Ni-Kunni or even Amarrian.
She said that she was fine with it, because she could only go up. I found that naive considering the Amarr keep the Ni-Kunni quite "in place" as a people.
I am preparing my final report to the Disciples of Ston on my experience here in Madirmilire. Needless to say, we need to do more exploring before beginning a work in the Amarr empire.
Course is set back to Abudban. There is much more work there.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.05.27 14:15:00 -
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REGARDING Madirmilire,this will a sort of final report. As promising as the system first seemed, I am not sure it is the best system to settle in for an extended work. Amarr space is very large and we need to take our time and explore to find the right system.
I found more Gallente and Caldari there than Amarrian. While I had two excellent interactions, I do not see the kind of Amarrian population density that we are looking for. Perhaps it is just a matter of exploration to find the right place. (end of report) I am profoundly sad. I ran in to woman last night here in Abudban. I have never seen anyone try so hard to hide behind a veil of cheap sexuality and bravado in all my journeys. As the conversation continued and her veil became more and more transparent, her expressions became more and more unnatural and pretensed.
I remember something Ston said about impatience that a Disciple can experience when a subject pilot seems to be on the cusp of self-discovery. I felt that last night. In the end though, I discontinued the questions. This person, sadly, was not prepared even for one second to lower the falsehood of what she was projecting.
What comfort do people derive from convincing themselves that they are hopelessly violent or hopelessly promiscuous?
What I left her in the form of a challenge, I will leave any reader of this as a challenge as well:
I challenge you to shed a cleansing tear of regret that initiates change that leads to no regret. Do you have the strength for that?
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Ston Momaki
Caldari Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.05.27 14:32:00 -
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Hey Manwe, I am feeling a bit jealous. Yes, I know the disciples are supposed to reign in these feelings and I am trying. But, you have had some interesting work lately. Piekura was dead last night. Nothing much was happening. I think all the pilots were station side. I went to bed early. Maybe I need the rest anyway. Maybe after a few days, we could send you back out into Amarr space to do some exploration. Let me know what you think.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.05.28 23:40:00 -
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I thought it might be prudent, before heading back out into the belts of Abudban, to reflect on my observations today so far.
What happens when a few simple questions begin to crack the thin veneer of a person's projected personality? What happens when the inner pain we try to escape in the pretensed life of the capsuleer, begins to leak out?
The capsuleer is used to firing missles, energy weapons, cannons, etc to defend and destroy. What are the weapons used to try and stop the waterfall of reality that started to leak out this afternoon in Abudban? Sexuality, profanity, insult. These three are consistently part of the arsenal of the self-conscious pilot under the attack of self-knowledge. Many stop short of going to extremes, because their pain is normal and they can cope with it fairly well. However, what happens when one gets desperate?
Flee? No, that would be perceived as defeat. Strike back as hard as you can? Yes. Draw upon every resource of insult, vulgarity and personal denigration. I ran across such a man today. His method was to infer in not so delicate terms that my father was a homosexual pedophile rapist. Many capsuleers are quite witty and intelligent. Many times I am out witted verbally and have to concede so. However, this situation was quite sad. It was the vulgar version of the historic idiom, "your mother wears army boots." All other reasonable come backs were exhausted, so how can I get this guy off my back?
What in this man's heart hurt so bad? I had not stole from him, so there was not any sense of righteous indignation. Perhaps it was my refusal to answer in kind. (Thanks Ston for teaching us how to do this). One pilot recently told me that Abudban is a peaceful system. I am here to say that the inner wars of this system are vast. These pilots are in pain.
Ston, you may have to come and help out here some time. I hope we can help one or two.
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Ston Momaki
Caldari Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.05.30 03:40:00 -
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Don't be surprised if I show up on your doorstep, Manwe.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.05.31 21:07:00 -
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Welcome to Abudban, Ston. I have to get sleep, but I hope to hear about how things go tonight.
I worked a little today after our computors came back online. Things were slow. Have I ever mentioned that I like the sound of strip miners and sometimes pause just to rest to the sound?
See you tomorrow, maybe. The Disciples of Ston bid you peace.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.06.01 20:28:00 -
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Today's work involved some rather absurd topics of conversation. There are times, when one has to banter a bit to find out what makes people tick. Let others make fun of you and call you a few names and sometimes, they talk to you for a while. Coffee enemas... yep... the subject came up. If they think you are a weirdo, you may find out a thing or two about them as well.
Today, I didn't really discover anything deep, but was reminded that caps do have an earthy sense of humor.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.06.02 21:49:00 -
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Everyone is still talking about the violence and destruction going on in Abudban.
In response to Edaine looking for hub locations with reasonable office rent, I went over to neighboring Rens. We are going to open an office there. We have good adjacent systems. I also noticed that Rens is really a hive of villainy, and violence. Violence is a sport there. The work of the Disciples is needed in Rens; n particular the work of violence absorption. I first saw Ston do this in Piekura when he discovered a pilot vs pilot trap. He sprung the trap and kept absorbing the violence until the people left. "Not here, not now" was his comment.
Rens needs the message of non-violence more than most places I have seen. This, together with reasonable rent at the Sisters of Eve Bureau, makes Rens a good hub location for us. I think I can spend time working both systems and other adjacent systems as well.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.06.03 02:43:00 -
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Rens... to quote a famous ancient space-farer, "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy, watch your step." Now, I do not mean this as an insult to those of Rens with a noble heart. I quote it as a recognition of the challenge of trying to help the empty of heart. There are many things I could reflect on tonight, but I will tell one story. This story makes my heart ache for those who have lost hope that they can change.
Among the pilots of Rens, I met a woman who used copulative profanity in nearly every utterance. I challenged her to go a day without profanity. I encouraged her to think about the sense of accomplishment that self-control would give her. I offered her all the ISK in my account. Someone else gave me 10million more to offer her, which I promptly did. The conversation ended and she left system. All I asked was that she make a promise and the ISK would be hers. I didn't even demand proof of success; just a promise to try. She couldn't do it.
I have to respect her, though, for not just throwing out a false promise. It gives me hope for this individual.
I spent the rest of the time tipping Pilot versus Pilot combat invitation cans and trying to convince the combatants to seek peaceful work. Surprisingly, I only got killed once. Most of the time I was insulted, mocked and ridiculed, but not shot. These "violent professionals" are rather picky about their kill sheets I guess.
Rens will be an interesting place to work.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.06.04 03:31:00 -
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Where to begin...Rens was an interesting place tonight. It may take more than one entry to reflect on all of it. For now, one particular observation stands out. One very consistent MO characterizes almost every pilot I have confronted. The use of the STRAW MAN Argument.
The most common straw man that caps use is religion. I have come to the conclusion that caps have a love/hate relationship with religion. It seems to hold them in bonds and they hate it, yet they love to talk about it. Back to the Straw man. Just as soon as you get too close to their greed or violence or weakness, or lack of bravery, they will identify you as religious; that's the straw man that is easy to ridicule, deny, persecute and dismiss. Ah, now I don't have to deal with my anger, greed, violence, and self-deception. I can focus on knocking down the straw man. It is the oldest logical fallacy on the books.
Tonight, the straw man was used to perfection. Once they decided to peg me as a religious nut, they could stop talking about the fact that they were bored with their violence and really wished they were brave enough to be men and women of peace. They could transfer their self-angst on me. One used an ancient agricultural/religious term referring to one who tends domestic sheep. "Pastor" was the term. Odd thing, was that this person actually had a specific person in mind; someone they obviously had no respect for; the essence of the straw man.
I had another really interesting encounter, but I am hoping that it is not quite over, so I will leave it for another time. I was destroyed four times and podded once. Whew!
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Ston Momaki
Caldari Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.06.05 02:51:00 -
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Sorry, I never made it over to Rens to help you out there. I am back in Piekura now. Did you take the day off? You deserve it if you did. How are you going to balance the work in both Rens and Abudban? That is going to be a challenge of time management if nothing else. I am very curious about this "unfinished encounter." Later...
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Edaine Numenor
Gallente Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.06.06 22:28:00 -
[34]
Manwe, I will plan on having a jump clone in Minmatar space that should help in the exploration front. my last journey to Rens resulted in the loss of a ship and I got podded. I lost equipment that was valuable to me. You Disciples would of loved it.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:00:00 -
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Rens was quiet tonight, so I headed back to Abudban for some routine theft work in hopes of tickling the hearts of the pilots there. What I discovered was the rare quality of simple curiosity. Every now and then, we run across someone who is just curious about what we are doing. They do get mad, insult, or attack. They ask questions. In some ways, it is kind of like what we do. I enjoy curiosity, probably because I am very curious, especially about people and what makes them tick. No capsuleers fired on me tonight.
Since the Disciples of Ston frown upon the use of chemical agents beyond those necessary for sustenance, now and then we fall prey to the common human ailment called a headache. I had a bad one tonight. i decided to report it on local and see what reaction I might get. Humor... "Its not a migraine, its a secondary malignancy..." Humor is a staple in New Eden. Sometimes it is even pretty well done. Too often is crude and boorish.
Pace yourself...I think being a Disciple of Ston could burn me out if I don't. Later.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.06.09 03:12:00 -
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The local com channel was as busy tonight as I have ever seen it. So what did I learn? If there is one thing that the work of the Disciples of Ston exposes in the universe of New Eden it is the presence of thick and pervasive peer pressure.
I met a pilot tonight who showed bravery against that peer pressure. If he happens to read this at any time, I hope he realizes the strength of character it takes to resist the onslaught of peers jeering and taunting just because he is engaging in a significant conversation.
I find it curious that pilots can become very threatened when one of their own begins to question the "acceptable" standards of speech and behavior around them even for a minute. I have found that many in this universe want to grow intellectually, emotionally, and even spiritually (yes that is a loaded term), but peer pressure inhibits this growth.
Profanity is an example. The use of strong vocabulary can be a very effective tool of communication when used very, very rarely. Around here, profanity flows and flows and means nothing. I challenge pilots to prove they have self-control and depth of character by choosing not to use profanity or crudeness for a period of time. The usual response is, you guessed it, to cuss me out. Now and then, someone might begin to take the challenge.
Violence is another example. What if a pilot chooses to restrain himself in the use of violence even when he knows he has the upper hand? What takes more strength, to act violently when you know you can beat your opponent, or to show restraint even when you have more power than your opponent? The Peer established norm says, "Always kill when you can." Is that brave? Does that show self-mastery? The Disciples, through non-violence, challenge the peer pressure of violence.
That's all for now, I guess. Night.
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Ston Momaki
Caldari Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.06.10 02:58:00 -
[37]
Hey Manwe, I am sorry I do not always get around to reading your log. I managed to catch up a little tonight and just wanted to say that I think you are doing good work over there in Abudban and Rens. I need to come over and visit you again or maybe you could come by Piekura some time. Be at peace, Ston
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.06.11 03:05:00 -
[38]
Things were dead tonight in Rens, so I decided to retire for the evening early. I got the strangest mail message from Edaine Numenor, our corporate founder today, so I thought I would write about it. For the Disciples of Ston to exist as a corporation required someone who does not qualify as a disciple to head it up, fund it, and manage it. Enter, Edaine. One thing that he seems a bit uncomfortable with is the fact that he is not a Disciple and doesn't want to be one.
Anyway... the mail was an explanation of some apparent theft he had committed in Piekura that convinced him that it might impact the "reputation" of the Disciples. Well, Edaine, if you read this, don't worry; it really doesn't matter what our reputation is. In fact...
A "bad" reputation can actually work to our advantage. What the Disciples of Ston do is so unconventional in this universe, that what is counted as a negative everywhere else, we use as an advantage. If Edaine does something that makes others angry at, spiteful to, disgusted with, the Disciples of Ston, we will use it as a can opener to talk to people and find out about them.
Frankly, I don't care what Edaine does or how much he steals and keeps. (Although I despise his violence). People already regularly accuse us of hypocrisy, insanity, and a host of other deficiencies to numerous to mention. We use this these things to reach the individual pilot at the personal level. Most of the positive we do begins with an exposure of the negative.
So, no need to be defensive, Edaine. And really, don't think you need to explain everything you do, at least not to me. I can't speak for Ston or Dawn; this is just my opinion. What exactly did you do, anyway? Just curious.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.06.13 02:25:00 -
[39]
When I go about my duty in Abudban, I usually close the local notification with the words, "The Disciples of Ston bid you peace." I get a very consistent reaction particularly from those who have never been exposed to our work. It usually goes like this, "Who the h_ _ _ is Ston?" Now Ston, I find this rather amusing as I am sure Edaine would too. I am sorry if that make you feel on the spot, but it is funny to see people say that again and again.
So how do I answer that when it is asked? I just say that he is the guy that came up with the idea to reach out to capsuleers in this particular way. I just say that he is the guy that has set the pattern for our work.
Tonight I ran across an example of a certain kind of reaction that happens now and then. I call it the "Oh well" reaction. I tipped a large can full of minerals just as the owner warped into the belt to retrieve them with their Indy. Instead of seeing her white can, she saw a yellow can retitled with something provocative like "so and so's stuff." Many times, this brings a reaction that is angry. In this case she just warped back out. I did finally get a few words out of her. When I asked how she felt about her stuff being taken and then returned, she said, "its a living." That was it.
Some miners really do become a little "ho hum" about what they are doing in space. Maybe, the Disciples of Ston can assist the ho hum pilot in seeking and finding a less ho hum purpose. I wish a greater sense of accomplishment and direction upon this pilot in days to come.
See ya around Abudban and Rens.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.06.13 21:35:00 -
[40]
There is, quite simply, no necessity within Amarrian theology for slavery. Period. It is the syncretism of Amarrian military and political philosophy and dogma that binds the Amarrian religious establishment to slavery.
Amarrians who know in their own devout hearts that slavery is wrong are invited to join the Disciples of Ston in our quest to free all races from the captivity of greed, violence, hatred, prejudice, and unforgiveness.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.06.16 02:34:00 -
[41]
Assigned duties within our subclan of the Vherokior have kept me from much work the last few days. Our tribal clan leader has assigned me certain duties planet side among non-capsuleers in our clan.
The Disciples of Ston have been of great help to me as I deal with some times not so subtle rejection of what I am doing. However, other true Vherokior; those who, like me seek to uncover the fullness of all there is to know in this universe, find the work of a Disciple of Ston to be a faithful extension of what it means to be Vherokior.
What is the line between the legitimate cultural independence of the seven tribes and the arrogant foolishness that keeps us divided? Only each individual can answer that. I hope that one day, we will have seven Minmatar disciples each representing the unique culture of each tribe.
Hope to be back in Abudban tomorrow; maybe Rens too.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.06.17 00:50:00 -
[42]
Capsuleers are often called "eggers" because of the capsule of ectoplasm that is our home while we are in space. There is another caccoon and encapsulates many pilots in Abudban. It is the caccoon of vulgarity, profanity, sexual insult and bigotry, and a pervasive sense of spite. It is a a caccoon of cowardice protecting the capsuleer from exercising any true skill.
What I encountered this evening in Abudban is perhaps one of the most pitiful examples of human emptiness that I have seen since accepting this work as a Disciple of Ston. I might come under discipline for some of the language I used this evening even though I did so in self-control. I did use a series of statements that began with the words, "you are a coward because..."
The Disciples sometimes have to "wade in" to the language style of the capsuleer, if only slightly. This pilot was a very damaged person whose identity seemed completely wrapped up in the attempted denigration of others.
This is the very kind of person for whom the Disciples exist. How many more such empty persons are there in this universe? People, like this woman who admitted that she had no soul and couldn't answer the question, "would you like to have a soul?"
To be unable to give up your empty life because you are addicted to it, is a great sadness. I am sad tonight for this person.
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Ston Momaki
Caldari Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.06.17 02:19:00 -
[43]
Do not become discouraged, Manwe. You probably weighed carefully your use of the word, "coward." But be careful. Such words are routinely used by those who do not weigh them carefully. It was you who taught me this most recently. Sexually copulatory language is a favorite addiction of so many pilots in New Eden. It sounds like it is wearing on you a bit. Endure, Manwe! The ebb and flow of things will avail you easier times in your work and some likely more difficult times as well.
From one Disciple to Another... Peace
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.06.18 02:16:00 -
[44]
Thanks for the encouragement, Ston.
I trust that when I was told that I could exercise a degree of autonomy while staying faithful to the spirit and purpose of the DOS, that this flexibility includes what I did tonight.
The usual DOS MO involves tipping a can or a wreck, leaving the calling card, then writing in local to bring awareness of our mission of peace. This works in Abudban, but not in Rens. The work in Rens requires a totally different approach. Tonight confirmed it.
I began to "pop" as they say, the pilot vs pilot invitation cans, leave the card and comment and try to go on to the next. The problem comes in how often you get destroyed and little you get done. My particular issue with Rens is the need to intervene in planned violence. The Disciples have agreed that this is a worthy mission. Because of the 15 minute aggression count, I no sooner come back, and I am popped. Tonight I changed my tactic and I was able to destroy five invite cans before being destroyed.
I created a safe point in the system to warp back and forth from. I bookmarked the cans I wanted to destroy and them warped in and out to do the job. When I finished there were no invitation cans left to tempt these pilots into fighting. While I am fully aware that they will only continue after I have gone, the prevention of one act of violence or the absorption of one act of violence is a worthy task to accomplish.
What of conversation with the pilots? First things first, I say. I know that Ston and Dawn would probably take a little different approach. I just hope they understand how strongly I feel about stopping violence in every little way i can. The conversation happens, just not at the same time and same way as in the more convention DOS MO. (DOS MO stand for Disciples of Ston Modus Operandi)
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.06.20 02:41:00 -
[45]
Just read Ston's comments on the decoration awarded to Aranu. While I understand the issues he is addressing, I think he is a little too concerned of what he probably perceives as Gallentean egalitarianism on Dawn's part.
I see it somewhat differently...The Disciples are like a tribe. We are all members one with another. If the members of the tribe are all in harmony and disposed to decorate one of the members of the tribe, we just do it. We don't ask the person being honored if it is OK. We just honor them, period. We wanted to honor Aranu, because we all felt it was right, so we did it.
You are part of the tribe, accept the honor and enjoy the spirit in which it is given. We don't just feel like your brothers, we are your brothers. We are the Disciples of Ston.
Got back to Abudban tonight. To tired to work. Can barely keep my eyes open. Gotta sleep.
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Ston Momaki
Caldari Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.06.22 03:32:00 -
[46]
Hey Manwe, Take a day or two and come visit me in Piekura. Maybe you can help me with my peculiar problems of not being able to sleep on the bed and my walking into walls and stuff. You might also like a change of pace from Minmatar space to Caldari space. Think about it. Peace to you Disciple Ston
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.06.23 03:56:00 -
[47]
I warped into Piekura this morning and had a chance to meet a few local pilots while looting a few wrecks. I found one pilot particularly interesting and interested in our work. She had valuable suggestions on issues of how to manage what we steal. I guess I never really think about that aspect much. I suggested that she help us find and "loot administrator" for the Corp. Anyway, I appreciated the interaction.
Ston, how fun to see reaction to your "Galaxy Wide Alert." Denial does indeed come out of the wood work. Capsuleers do hate change. Especially change that challenges their delusions.
Keep stirring the pot, Ston.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.06.24 02:50:00 -
[48]
I believe that I have learned a couple things about what it means to be a Disciples of Ston.
First, Finally, I have met the Tribe Sister Aranu. This was an unexpected joy. Peace be to you Aranu.
Second, patience. I was ready to head back to Rens, where people wear violence on their sleeves. There, one knows what you are up against. Piekura is full bombast. It takes patience to help the people here.
Third, Aha! I remember reading a few days ago, an entry in Ston's journal about enduring the tedium of capsuleer borish talk in order to get at one particular point. Ston explained it as a singular lack of self-determnation. I am pretty sure, that I dealt with the very same person, from the tedious sexual boredom pouring out of this person. I would have left the situation, but I looked up the journal entry and decided to see how easy it would be to steal and hour of his time. This was done easily.
"I'm gonna block you", but then they don't. "You are not worth my time," then they give you an hour of their time.
I put the suffix "12" at end of this one's name to remind myself of what I was observing in this lost soul. This pilot was so completely arrested developmentally in psych-sexual-social terms. He has constructed an insulator wall to protect himself from the personal growth that he fears he cannot attain. This is most sad.
As soon as Ston returns, I will leave for Abudban. Aranu, great to meet you. Come visit Abudban some time. You would meet a lot of pilots like the "perv." in Piekura tonight. Abudban is full of this kind of endless tedium. But, there are some surprises too. There is intelligence and wit in Piekura and in Abudban. Sometimes you see it, sometimes you don't.
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Ston Momaki
Caldari Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:03:00 -
[49]
Manwe, read my latest post. We need to prevent burnout. We are few in number, and the work can be a test. You have more than fulfilled your duty. Take care of your sanity. Peace to you, brother.
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Caviar Liberta
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:00:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Caviar Liberta on 25/06/2011 06:01:33
Originally by: Manwe Todako
I asked if his weapons would stop working at that time. He answered that his ship was more important to him. I asked if he was afraid of losing his ship. He did not answer. To avoid taunting him, I did not pursue the question any more. However, it was plain that fear of loss trumped his expressed values of outrage over my theft. Was his sense of justice able to overcome his fear? No.
Mr. Todako I'm sure you are aware that even though most motives are driven by emotion, it is also importantthat we are governed by the rule of law. You tempt fate when you procure the property of another, even if the owner should be more thoughtful to secure their property from such hijinks as this. CONCORD has laws to grant the offended weapons free to deal with the offender, however even CONCORD is only willing to extend this right but for only so long. Once that time has past it would be another crime to try to exercise this liberty beyond the time limit. So as such I can only see that you were trying to see if you could get this other capsuleer to violate the law and have CONCORD enforce their law upon him.
Good day to you sir
Caviar Liberta
Nothing is more certain than the indispensable necessity of government, and it is equally undeniable, that whenever and however it is instituted, the people must cede to it some of their natural right |
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Gosakumori Noh
Amarr Defensores Fidei
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Posted - 2011.06.25 08:44:00 -
[51]
Some months ago, one of the royal families - I believe it was the Kador - tasked me with abducting a heretic from a mining colony. At first, it seemed a trivial task, certainly beneath the interest of a noble house. Upon arriving at the colony, I was attacked by Scions of the Superior Gene - a faction with which I had no prior (or indeed subsequent) experience.
I since forgot the name of the heretic or the faith he preached, until the tenor of this journal - which I had been slow to read - reminded me of the incident. The juxtaposition of mining and an exhortation to renounce greed caught my attention.
Allow me, however, to draw your attention to systems under occupation by Nation forces. In those, capsuleer worship of ISK has become so great, they conspire to maximize personal gain by perpetuating the grip of an invading force.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:03:00 -
[52]
The work of a Disciple of Ston will make you think. You face people at their worst and sometimes, though rarely, at their best. It is the constant base personalities that challenge me. Last night, Ston spoke some very liberating words. In fact, if he had not said what he said, I may have quit the disciples after tonight. On three separate occasions I simple closed out the local com channel.
A couple nights ago, I met a male pilot in Piekura who could not stop the steady flow of perserse sexual language. He thought he was funny. Tonight in Rens, I met a female pilot who did the same. Why do some people hate themselves so much that they would use this self-denegrating way of talking? What kind of heart overflows this way verbally? Do they really disrespect their own bodies, souls, and spirits that much? Has cloning done this to us? Or is it deeper? How badly this this man, this woman been hurt that makes them do this? I feel deep sadness for those who have lost all hope to the point of projecting themselves as users, used, abuser, abused. Sexual humor is best when used very seldom and done with intelligence and wit. What I am seeing often among capsuleers is not funny or witty. It is Sad.
I can only interact with this so long before I begin to despair and then I am no good as a Disciple. I am asking the DSTON members for permission to travel to Jita for a violence interdiction mission. I will communicate only a minimum as I am burning out on this part of the work. I apologise to the Disciples for this. I would like to have the self-control to do this every day and face the foul effluent that comes out of the broken lives in this universe, but sometimes you just have to shut the com off. That's what I need to do for a while.
In Jita, i will set up a safe point from which I will try to interrupt planned acts of violence. It will be similar to what I have been doing in Rens only in Jita. Unless I hear an objection from the other Disciples, I will start my journey tomorrow.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.06.27 02:34:00 -
[53]
How shall I describe JITA? JITA is a large rubber room. I had heard about the things going on in Jita that last few days, but had to see it for myself. The protest movement is best described as a tourist attraction. I would not call it an effective protest. An effective protest requires first, a worthy cause to protest against and a worthy cause to demonstrate for. Neither is the case here. It will attract many a tourist desiring to see the spectacle no doubt.
There is always time for violence, though. In spite of the noise and confusion of the protest, there are still many pilots looking to fight one another. In that context, I managed to get destroyed three times while trying interrupt planned acts of violence.
The local com channel is jammed with every conceivable kind of vain and meaningless advertisement, and empty utterance. This is a big reason why I came to Jita. I needed to get away from conversation for a while; just minimize the com window, and focus on disposing of weapons. It is impossible to carry on conversation here, so one need not try. I have disposed of more weaponry on one hour here than in all my other work as a Disciple of Ston. The chaos enabled me to haul off many weapons.
I have employed a new tactic of disposal. I create a reasonably remote and out of the way safe point. There I jettison the weapons and let the solar radiation of Jita's sun destroy the weapons. By tomorrow, they will be disintegrated into space dust.
You may never see quite the sights as you will see in Jita right now. If you are a history buff, political buff, human nature buff, etc., come to Jita and see it all. I am going to study things here for a few days before heading back to Minmatar space.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.06.29 02:40:00 -
[54]
Jita has been a worthwhile learning experience. When I first arrived, the system was absolutely chaotic with activity. The number of ships attacking the memorial were of great number and every conceivable type. The activity has settled down considerably in a day's time. I wonder, by tomorrow, how many ships will be left.
In the chaos, I managed to discover a new way to dispose of weapons. The Disciples of Ston have recycled the material, but this leaves the concern that they may be remanufactured into weapons again. We have stored them indefinitely, but that is logistically unsustainable. I have found a way to let nature take care of the problem.
Solar and cosmic radiation does its work in about two hours if nothing shields the jettisoned weapons. The first thing I did when I got here was to create a reasonably secure safepoint in the system that would be difficult to scan for. I would use that point to warp to and from to raid wrecks and battle invitation cans in the system. Hauling the weapons back to that point and waiting a couple hours for them to disintegrate was a thing a beauty. i think I have found a new MO.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.06.30 02:27:00 -
[55]
I am preparing to head back to Abudban/Rens tomorrow. Ston is much closer to Jita from Piekura and our HQ in Korama. I need to continue to be a presence in Minmatar space. I've seen the spectacle that is Jita, I don't need to stay any longer. I have learned some new methods and gained some new focus. Ston seems a little discouraged tonight. Hang in there my brother.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.07.01 02:17:00 -
[56]
Back in Rens at our office there. I am not sure how much work I will get in this week. I have too many planet-side duties to occupy my time right now.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.07.02 02:52:00 -
[57]
I managed to work just a little both in Rens and in Abudban. Sometimes, there is evidence of conscience. Sometimes there is a small tinge of guilt when a pilot is confronted with their habit of violence. I say habit, because not everyone loves to kill. I met a pilot tonight who asked me what I was doing. When I explained that I was destroying weapons she countered that she still had hers. I asked her if she loved using her weapons. She said, "yes I do." I narrowed the focus by asking if she loved violence/killing. What followed was an interesting program of verbal gymnastics as the pilot tried to back out of the reality that violence was and unnecessary habit in her life.
While some pilots are very much at home with their love of violence, this pilot was not. Perhaps this is cause for cautious hope.
Quite often pilots will justify their violence by saying that the "rats need to be cleared out." Observe very carefully with me please... In all high security space, Pirate factions deploy limited numbers in predictable patterns in determined areas. These numbers are usually between one and three and do not increase. Only when these pirates are killed, are more added. Sometimes they will come and then leave.
No capsuleer is incapable of escaping these pirates. No one "needs" to kill them. Leave the area. The disciples of Ston, who carry no weapons, find that these pirates are harmless as long as you keep your distance. These justifications for violence are very weak.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.07.03 21:56:00 -
[58]
Worked for a short while today; long anough to be reminded that violence is a casual culture in New Eden. Pilots talk about the craft of killing as casually as they would talk about what they had for lunch. I am treated as a freak for opposing this violence, and I believe that perhaps I am a freak. If one defines freak as a culturl anomoly, then the Disciples are freaks.
Let the freaks continue their work.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.07.06 02:16:00 -
[59]
No time for work today, but I did want to reflect very briefly in hopes that I remind myself to come back to this topic at a later time. Often, toleration is a prelude to acceptance; not always, but often. I noted some recent efforts at promoting toleration in a general sense. While the Disciples of Ston are proponents of toleration, I do not believe that "general toleration" is what we are aiming for. Toleration needs to be specific. Some things should not be tolerated. Slavery, torture, and most forms of violence are intolerable. Let us not even risk a prelude to acceptance of these things. Not all beliefs are worthy of toleration. The belief that one race of humanity is inherently superior to another is not a belief worthy of toleration. More later, perhaps.
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Edaine Numenor
Gallente Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.07.07 14:10:00 -
[60]
Violence makes us intellectually shallow. As I listen to the conversations among pilots whose sense of human value has been diminished by endless violence, I find and increasing level of triviality. Added to this is an inability to engage in anything significant beyond the technical aspects of weapons and the strategies, particulars, and results of violent acts.
This morning's work was a vain attempt to move a group of pilots to a different mental level. Nothing doing...
I do not despair, though. I have seen it happen and believe it will happen again as the Disciples put forth effort.
I will be requesting permission from the Disciples to train infomorph psych so that I can rapidly move from trade hub to trade hub where pilot vs pilot confrontations are common. This has become an area of increasing focus in my work. If the Disciples are willing to make the investment in my training and trust me to rejoin the Disciples after I have obtained the clones, I will proceed.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.07.08 02:43:00 -
[61]
Violence makes us intellectually shallow. As I listen to the conversations among pilots whose sense of human value has been diminished by endless violence, I find and increasing level of triviality. Added to this is an inability to engage in anything significant beyond the technical aspects of weapons and the strategies, particulars, and results of violent acts.
This morning's work was a vain attempt to move a group of pilots to a different mental level. Nothing doing...
I do not despair, though. I have seen it happen and believe it will happen again as the Disciples put forth effort.
I will be requesting permission from the Disciples to train infomorph psych so that I can rapidly move from trade hub to trade hub where pilot vs pilot confrontations are common. This has become an area of increasing focus in my work. If the Disciples are willing to make the investment in my training and trust me to rejoin the Disciples after I have obtained the clones, I will proceed.
Edaine, thanks for 1. moving these comments from Ston's log to mine where they ought to have been, and 2. for approving my request for further study.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.07.09 02:55:00 -
[62]
Since I train infrequently, I am not used to the process of skillbook neural transcription and the peculiar experience it happens to be. Infomorph Psychology, in particular, is a skill that requires the recipient to become "adept" at brain/consciousness dissociation. It is kind of like being pod killed repeatedly days on end, hour after hour, as you train the skill. Clone jumping is no different than being pod killed, minus the violence.
As I train, I am studying the mapped systems and trying to identify good placements for five clones that I will be able to install once the training is complete. |
Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.07.10 03:12:00 -
[63]
I have acquired four clones through the services of Estel Arador. Thank you, and I will be giving a hardy endorsement on the tread. I have rejoined the Disciples for a few days while I train for my fifth jump clone. I will eventually be using jump clones to do anti-violence work in Gallente and Amarr space as well as in Caldari and Minmatar space.
Speaking of Amarr space... One clone was installed in the Amarr system in the Emperor Services Station. I took a short rest in one of the quarters provided in the station. No, non-capsuleer former slave would ever be able to afford or even be allowed such accommodations. But, because I am a capsuleer, such things were overlooked. This is just the kind of double standard that fuels the ongoing injustices that are systematized in all of New Eden.
Go ahead and destroy the capsuleer's ship; he'll escape in his pod or at the worst, reintegrate in a new clone body. But wait, what about the hundreds of non-clone human beings that were slaughtered as part of the crew? Ah, who cares? Right? Not the capsuleers playing war as if it were a game, not Concord in its self-justified need to control the violence of the capsuleer.. Who will advocate for the non-capsuleer?
The Disciples of Ston are experiencing an awakening of conscience in this area and will be seeking ways to advocate for these humans who come under such horrendous violence. |
Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.07.12 02:58:00 -
[64]
I just read Ston's log for today. I am pleased to report that on my travels to install jump clones, i managed to retrieve two clone bodies from the cold of space. They are in storage in Amarr. I will get the vital information about the owners to Ston as he continues to contact owners. Here is what I hope: that the capsuleer owners won't be afraid to take their old bodies, give them the proper rites and grieve the loss.
Now a tough thing I must say to a friend: Ston, you are taking a couple things too seriously. You ought probably to stop arguing with other clones on this forum. You will not change their minds and they will not change yours. However, the arguments will distract you from what is more important. It sounds like you are reconnecting with that from your latest log. Good.
Second, I am a former slave, and I am not as upset over what the com admins did as you are. You seem to feel that you need to defend everyone against every injustice in the whole universe. Many former slaves have learned not to be so sensitive to off-hand remarks here and there. It doesn't help us Minmatar to further the stereotype of the brooding mistreated. Let it go. We can work on the hearts of people individual by individual. Doesn't that work better? Isn't that the way of the Disciples?
I appreciate you Ston. Don't burn out!
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Ston Momaki
Caldari Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.07.13 02:42:00 -
[65]
Thanks Manwe, you are a good friend and I am glad to be adopted into your tribe and call you brother. I starting to "chill" a bit on these issues.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.07.14 02:54:00 -
[66]
On the way back to Rens from dropping off corpses in Korama, I took the fast route. Since I was traveling in my egg and not a ship, I was not too concerned about attack. However, As I warped away from the gate in Rancer, I noted some outlaws camping at the gate, picking off ships passing through. Now, what I really noticed was three corpses on my biomass scanner. I thought, maybe they won't care if an unarmed reaper comes back and pick those corpses up. Dumb thought and add one more corpse. They podded me. This actually cut my journey in half.
I began to reflect a while later on how little I cared about the loss of that corporeal connection. One additional step away from full humanity... There are risks in studying infomorph psychology. There are risks in clone jumping, which is like intentional pod suicide without the destruction of the clone.
Have we really thought this through?
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.07.15 19:46:00 -
[67]
I have decided to travel to Imya then clone jump back after a while. While in the area, I will visit the EVE Gate and do some meditation. I felt as if one the Disciples should have a jump clone close to the EVE gate. Don't know why, just felt that way.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.07.16 03:10:00 -
[68]
Quietness is a good descriptor of The new Eden system and most of the systems enroute. I ran in to only one gate camp on the way. I decided to fly a Minmatar shuttle on this trip because of its speed and ability to warp quickly. On this occasion, I had no desire to risk being shot at or pod killed. I arrived at New Eden and have been enjoying the first extended solitude in a long, long time. I may stay here for some time.
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Ston Momaki
Caldari Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.07.20 01:25:00 -
[69]
Where have you been?
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.07.20 20:48:00 -
[70]
Sorry Ston, its not where have I been, but "what" have I been. I have been asleep and in the process, undergone two significant events only to be unconscious and hence unable to explain what has happened. As you know, I have been exploring and meditating in New Eden. Sometimes "meditation" can become a euphemism for "napping." Such is my case.
The first time I fell asleep at the at the controls, I was cruising straight for the EVE gate. When I woke up, I was in close proximity to the violent wormhole in Promised Land. Hmm... Is there an entrance wormhole in New Eden that exists through the violent wormhole in Promised Land? Did I fly through it while asleep?
So I wanted to test the theory, so I tried it again. Guess what? I fell asleep again. This time, when I woke up, I had been pod killed by Tech 9 industries. Not a big deal, but I would really like to know where I was when they killed me. Was I in New Eden or in Promised Land?
I am going to keep at this until I find some answers. If anyone can help me out, please let me know.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.07.22 02:28:00 -
[71]
New Eden is a sort of low security monastery. Apart from being destroyed and pod killed, my experience here has been and continues to be peaceful. Other pilots who come here seem to be different than those we encounter other places. I should say, those who come here seeking something other than violence. This place begs inquiry without promising answers. It is alive with a sort of hide and seek spirit, if you will. I have yet to solve the question of how I ended up in Promised Land next to the violent wormhole. I tried to duplicate the course I was on before I fell asleep. Alas, I have not found the answer.
I do wish the blood raiders in this system were more hospitable. I would like to able to talk to them about their presence in a system with so little human occupancy. Why blood raiders where there is no blood? What do they know about this system?
Why do I feel so sleepy here? I cannot seem to stay awake. Is this part of the strangeness of this system? I feel compelled to stay at least a while longer.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.07.23 12:47:00 -
[72]
In order to reach the vast distances that I wanted to reach in New Eden, much time is required simply navigating a straight course. A shuttle, such as the one I am piloting can and is almost instantly destroyed if attacked. This has, indeed, happened again.
I decided to leave one of my jump clones in the region for quicker access while I try to complete my explorations.
To the brave, brave, brave warriors who think that destroying an unarmed shuttle will impress your friends, understand that DSTON is poor but can afford many shuttles for this project. The delays do irritate me somewhat, but having the jump clone in station with a pile of shuttles will help with that.
I regret that I was asleep when mysteriously transported from New Eden to the violent wormhole in Promised Land. I would very much like to repeat that event awake.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.07.24 02:54:00 -
[73]
A single ecliptic with all lock points on one side of its plain... This is New Eden. This arrangement makes it difficult to set up a bookmark grid for surveying the system.
I managed to make it back to New Eden this evening and hope to continue my search without getting blown to space dust in the mean time. I have noted our namesake, Ston pursuing the discussion of the alienation of the capsuleer from mortal humanity. I'm not so sure. I have gotten literally jittery from all my traveling through low sec space. I've done a bit of teeth gritting along the way. Perhaps that is my infomorph telling my clone body to be careful. I feel very human, if you know what I mean.
I am beginning to feel as if New Eden itself has played the proverbial "practical joke on the sleeping guy." Time will tell, but how much time?
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.07.24 04:28:00 -
[74]
Hey, I saw you in the Promised Land system!
At any rate, have you considered using something a bit less vulnerable than shuttle? A Vigil-class frigate is still cheap yet provides much more protection in that very few ships will be able to catch it (or more specifically, by the time any would-be attackers probe you down you will hopefully be far from the warp-in coordinates their probes provide them). ------- I spy with my third eye crimson clouds beyond the horizon... |
Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.07.24 13:55:00 -
[75]
Mr. Jaiga, Sincere thanks for the suggestion. As a matter of fact, in my former way of life, I would have done just that, but the Disciples of Ston use only unarmed vessels. Our usual vessel is the rookie vessel, but I have been granted a dispensation to use the shuttle for extra speed. We are non profit and spend next to nothing on our work.
You are the first pilot who has actually made a suggestion that would help. I do appreciate it and I will bring it to Ston and Edaine as a possibility for further exploration.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.07.24 16:14:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Manwe Todako Mr. Jaiga, Sincere thanks for the suggestion. As a matter of fact, in my former way of life, I would have done just that, but the Disciples of Ston use only unarmed vessels. Our usual vessel is the rookie vessel, but I have been granted a dispensation to use the shuttle for extra speed. We are non profit and spend next to nothing on our work.
You are the first pilot who has actually made a suggestion that would help. I do appreciate it and I will bring it to Ston and Edaine as a possibility for further exploration.
In that case, as you are Minmatar you have access to the quite speedy Reaper-class rookie ship. Equipped with a MAPC (micro auxiliar power core) it is more than capable of fitting a 1MN micro-warp drive and reaching speeds much faster than a shuttle. The increased signature radius might make you more vulnerable to being probed down, however, so which choice of ship is entirely up to your own reasoning.
And you are quite welcome! I love discussing ships with people, especially if it helps them out. ------- I spy with my third eye crimson clouds beyond the horizon... |
Kentt Em'asep
Minmatar Sec Det 125
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Posted - 2011.07.24 19:10:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Rek Jaiga In that case, as you are Minmatar you have access to the quite speedy Reaper-class rookie ship. Equipped with a MAPC (micro auxiliar power core) it is more than capable of fitting a 1MN micro-warp drive and reaching speeds much faster than a shuttle.
And you are quite welcome! I love discussing ships with people, especially if it helps them out.
The Reaper has always been a favorite of mine. Such a solid little ship.
I hope your travels around the galaxies bring you great knowledge Mr Todako. I myself have actually been less active in the destruction department. Mostly have been doing cargo runs back and forth between various and random systems.
Pretty far away really, since my profile picture has been acting odd latley.
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When I fly my ship, I feal like a little fly compared to all you folks... just try and swat me away, I'll just evade and come back to annoy you some more.- Kentt Em'asep |
Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.07.25 02:28:00 -
[78]
This log entry will appear in both Manwe Todako's log and Ston Momaki's log and is part of a joint research effort.
While in New Eden, I began to discover an odd phenomenon related to what happens to perception in very close proximity to the system sun. I contacted Ston to have him confirm the data back in Piekura where there are multiple orbital plains and where navigation is a bit easier.
A standard warp drive will place you within a few hundred thousand km of a stellar object. However, one can quickly reach the center of a stellar object by bookmarking coordinates and then bookmarking as you pass through the stellar center.
We fully expected that the warp drive distance limitation was a designed safety feature and to get closer, would result in ship destruction and pod destruction. However, we had heard of strange experiences occurring as pilots approached suns ever closer. We wanted to test it. I used the New Eden sun and Ston used the Piekura sun. We were both able to make observations within the sun corona without damage to our ships.
How is this possible? Were we experiencing visual anomalies due to heat and gravity? We would like to have some other pilots help us with this project and report their findings here. We have coordinates that we are willing to share for both the New Eden sun and the Piekura sun which should place any pilot within the corona. Contact Manwe Todako for coordinates in New Eden and Ston Momaki for Piekura.
If anyone has a reasonable explanation for what seems impossible, please share it.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.07.25 04:09:00 -
[79]
I actually conducted the same experiment in the Josekorn system a little over a year ago. The only explanation I can give is that the same mechanism that allows your ship to pass through solid objects (namely, planets and stations) must be at play and keeping your ship from interacting with the star. This of course must be a feature of the warp drive, for the aforementioned effect only appears while the warp drive is engaged. Since I do not fully understand the mechanics of the warp drive, I shall delve no further. ------- I spy with my third eye crimson clouds beyond the horizon... |
Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.07.25 12:42:00 -
[80]
Please don't give up the inquiry. We also made the preliminary conclusion that is was a warp drive effect. We decided to test the theory by taking a great risk. We set up lockable way points with the sun in between them. As we passed through the sun, we set a way point coordinate in the interior of the sun. Now the dangerous part...We returned to that new way point and came to full stop. Our ships were not destroyed. This was done in both New Eden and Piekura.
This is what confounds us. We need acute scientific minds to explain what seems impossible. One thought that has come to me is that the warp field persists in the sun's interior as some sort of protective bubble and sustains itself with the sun's energy.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.07.25 14:16:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Manwe Todako
This is what confounds us. We need acute scientific minds to explain what seems impossible. One thought that has come to me is that the warp field persists in the sun's interior as some sort of protective bubble and sustains itself with the sun's energy.
That's probably the most reasonable hypothesis. I'll not spoil the surprise, but have you tried to go to the very center of the star yet? What happens when you do further suggests everything that goes on within a star to be a warp field effect. |
Ston Momaki
Caldari Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.07.25 21:22:00 -
[82]
I am duplicating this post on Manwe's thread because of the helpful comments from a couple of pilots. We wanted you to see these images. Dear Pilot physicists, I will attempt, with my limited technical ability to provide access to two camera drone images. If successful, this is what you will see: Image 1 is from inside the Piekura sun and seems to suggest what Manwe called a persistent warp bubble inside the sun surrounding the ship. The second image is what is disturbing and begs explanation. Image two is a camera drone from outside the sun while I was inside the sun. I was shocked. It appears as if the sun core and the corona are separate. If you look closely, you will see the box representing my ship is very close to the core. Could a warp field do this? Also, when the ship is moving, the corona image jumps erratically Image one image two
The Disciples of Ston concern themselves with all that concerns the capsuleer. This begs explanation. Anyone who has ideas, we want to know them. The Disciples of Ston bid you peace.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.07.25 21:56:00 -
[83]
The first image is likely as you described it: an intact warp field protecting the ship from the star's deadly radiation and heat.
As for the second image, we must question how the camera drone went so far away from your ship so quickly. My hypothesis is that during the time in which the camera drone leaves close proximity to your ship (and thus its warp field) the camera drone experiences a huge amount of interference. Of course in order to even make it out of the star to obtain such a picture the camera drone itself must have a warp field (which is apparent anyway as camera drones follow ships at warp), but the curvature of spacetime from the camera drone's warp field must be much greater thus producing the odd image. That or, keep in mind, as capsuleers the image we see is generated by the link between our minds and pods and in principle the image could be a glitch. After all it is unlikely that the pods' engineers ever intended a capsuleer to get so close to the core of a star.
((At the end of the day the entire thing is a glitch from game mechanics; it would be nice if CCP explained or otherwise corrected this)) ------- I spy with my third eye crimson clouds beyond the horizon... |
Ston Momaki
Caldari Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.07.26 14:11:00 -
[84]
This post is also found on my thread.
JOINT STATEMENT OF THE DISCIPLES OF STON
Extraordinary! This is the best word to describe what has happened this morning. First, thanks to Manwe for getting us started on this research. Second, thanks to Edaine for taking time and expense to assist us to the concluding event of today. Edaine took a specially equipped Minmatar frigate with a sustained speed of 3131 M/S and traveled from the coordinates I provided straight on into the stellar core. Upon reaching the core, there was a massive release of energy that accelerated his ship almost instantly to well over 300,000,000 M/S to a distance out to 900,000 from the stellar mass. The camera drone image below shows the quickest reaction Edaine could muster as his ship was blown away from the stellar mass. The velocity reading at that point was 325,748,224 M/S. Wow! You will need to load the image and view the larger shot to see the velocity meter number.
hitting the stellar core
We feel that this is an experience to share with all capsuleers and not keep secret. We want to provide the last bookmark recorded before hitting the core. From this waypoint one can fly towards the core. Do this manually. If you try to use the "approach" setting on your Nav it will show error. Instead choose a point right next to the stellar core and head to it. Depending on the speed of your ship, in a short time you will hit the core and be impacted by an enormous release of energy. This is nothing like warping. The acceleration ought to kill you, but it doesn't. It ought to destroy your ship, but it doesn't.
Because we are relative new at space exploration as capsuleers,we are not sure of the most efficient way to get this stellar waypoint out to the community of pilots who may want to test this experience for themselves. Any ideas? We used the Piekura star. Anyone who wants the coordinate can contact us and we will get it to you somehow.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.07.26 17:54:00 -
[85]
I have a fairly simple explanation, but it may require some diagrams... Hopefully this explanation I offer will make your other article clearer and more exact with what's actually happening. |
Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.07.26 18:15:00 -
[86]
Ok, so here we go. As we know, the warp drive operates on the principle of warping spacetime in such a way so as to "push" your ship at speeds effectively faster than the speed of light (though to say your ship is moving in any local sense isn't true). Now we also postulate that the warp field remains intact as your ship dives into a star, which makes sense for the following reasons:
1) Your ship isn't burnt to a crips as it normally would 2) Your ship does not accelerate towards the star due to gravitational force
The second point is of great importance for my explanation. Becuase your ship isn't accelerating towards the star due to gravity it must be the case that a warp field is enveloping your ship, and furthermore the warp field must be bending spacetime in such a way so as the prevent your ship from accelerating due to gravity. So as your ship approaches the core, by the inverse-square law of gravitation we know that the gravitational force between the ship and the star increases, so it stands to reason that the magnitude of the warp field also increases to negate gravitational force. However, as you approach the exact center of a star (the core) gravitational force sharply decreases because the mass of the star surrounds you evenly in all directions. However, the warp field that was keeping your ship from accelerating due to gravity is also still present, and furthermore it was effectively "pushing" your ship away from the star's center of mass (again, the core). So once your ship arrives at the core, there is no gravitational force acting on your ship yet a warp field is trying to "push" your ship away from the star and it would seem that it succeeds in doing so, for your ship is thrown far away at great speeds! ------- I spy with my third eye crimson clouds beyond the horizon... |
Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.07.27 03:15:00 -
[87]
Our analysis is quite different than that of Rek's but we deeply appreciate all input from any who theorize possible explanations of the phenomena at the stellar core. We do not want our scientific discussion to create the assumption that we are not also interested in other explanations. Much in this universe begs examination. We have yet to truly explain or prove anything. All our talk is guess work at best. Others have thoughts we would like to hear. We also think that more pilots need to experience what happens at the core. Sometimes experience defies explanation and becomes its own explanation. If our current ideas lose there sense, we abandon them and move on to others. For the time being we are studying the event as the astro-physical interaction of anti-singularity and gravity warp. This model explains some and possibly all of the phenomena. But we do not presume so at this time. We are trying to remain canonical in the sense that we are respecting the technical descriptions provided in the scientific articles. They provide a base of accepted assumptions. While we are glad to hear many different explanations, we will weigh descriptions and underlying assumption against canon.
Scientific articles
A side note, since I am the most studied of the Disciples of Ston, I am requesting the Disciples to train me in the use of the excellent tool that Edaine Numenor has now donated to the Disciples. I would like to continue to test our theories in different gravity and density environments. The "ship" provides an excellent platform to efficiently do this. Only Edaine is trained to use it, but he has no desire to pursue these studies. I await the decision of my peers.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.07.27 03:26:00 -
[88]
Of course, your hypothesis may be correct. I'm simply making heavy use of the law of parsimony in this case.
((I don't like making IC posts based on older articles, tbh. Just a personal preference)) ------- I spy with my third eye crimson clouds beyond the horizon... |
Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.07.27 14:05:00 -
[89]
The ἀληθεία is an unarmed research vessel equipped for high sub-warp speed to enable it to efficiently reach objects and locations quickly. It also enters warp quickly so it is more difficult to webify.
I have received permission from the Disciples to train the necessary skills to pilot her. I envision, that in the future, the Disciples could modify many former ships of war into unarmed research vessels equipped for study and the advancement of knowledge. We may want to consider cloak technology and some non-damage based defensive measures in our vessels if ever we want to have an effective presence in low, null, and sub null space.
The Disciples will have to adjust their philosophy on training for such a vision to take place. I feel optimistic and humbled that the Disciples would allow me not just to be a part of the vision, but also to shape it.
I will begin training in a couple days time. Edaine has transfered the necessary funds to obtain the skillbooks I need. Thanks, Edaine for the donation of this vessel.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.07.27 18:38:00 -
[90]
In reference to the fine work of Dr. Alain Embrosius Topher in the scientific article faster than light travel I would like to post a few comments. First, I appreciate the need to write for the layman; for the capsuleer who does not care to delve into the mind numbing concepts of quantum physics but just wants a sort of word picture of what is happening. However, I believe that the capsuleer is able to understand far more than some would believe. I think more explanation is needed regarding the basics of what we call "warp drive."
First, warp "drive" is a misnomer. Second, faster than light "speed." is a misnomer. Third, "warp" is not a misnomer. Let's start with warp.
Space is what a "warp drive" changes. "Warp Generator" would be a much better term, but pilots like to think of a "warp drive;" perhaps its more romantic. Any object of great mass, such as a planet, star, galaxy, black hole, quasar, etc. warps space in such a way that space is bent and compressed toward the mass of the object. Where space is exceedingly warped in this way such as with a black hole, matter and energy are pulled into the warp or gravity well of the object. Such phenomena become, mathematically speaking, a singularity (a mathematical point of infinite mass and energy). That is a lot of space in a tiny volume.
The second kind of warp is what our "warp generators" generate. It is basically the opposite of a singularity, so will call it an anti-singularity. Dr. Alain Embrosius Topher called it a "depleted vacuum, that is, vacuum as found in space but completely stripped of all energy." Think, for a moment what he is saying. Space, far from empty, is full of stuff, namely, energy. Radiation in the form of light, and heat fill space. All space in this universe contains energy. When Dr. Topher refers to stripping all the energy from space, he is really referring to warping space in this second way. A singularity is the concentration of space while an anti-singularity is the displacement of space. Space being the medium through which all energy and matter moves, is the impediment to so called "FTL" travel.
A simple question, "if there is no space between two coordinates, how long does it take to travel between them?" Answer, not long at all. An anti-singularity warp generator creates a sustained field around a ship devoid of space. Outside of that field, space dimension is normal. But, as the anti-singularity field moves into normal space it become a sort of portable space displacer. Here is where warp "drive" is a misnomer. The warp generator does not drive the ship forward, regular propulsion systems do that. As the anti-singularity is maintained, the ship passes through a virtually spaceless dimension toward its intended destination. It is not instantaneous travel, because the size of the field is limited and displaces space as the vessel moves forward. You see this as the visible "warp" tunnel or the visible light energy concentrated on the perimeter of the anti-singularity field. Here is where "faster than light" is a misnomer. Outside of the warp field, light has to transverse normal space. Inside the warp field, light transverses nearly zero space. It thus "appears" faster. The key is to remember the word "warp." What are we warping? Space.
Why does an anti-sigularity generator work and singularity generator does not work? Singularities devastate matter, compressing it into ever greater density. That's hard on a ship or a body. However, the anti-singularity field or bubble around a ship does not change the fact that the ship itself still occupies its own normal space. That cannot be over-emphasized. The ship is unaffected by the anti-singularity which surrounds it. This would be impossible with a generated singularity.
My thanks to Dr Topher.
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Rhavas
Minmatar The Corporation of Noble Sentiments
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Posted - 2011.07.29 17:32:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Manwe Todako
So I wanted to test the theory, so I tried it again. Guess what? I fell asleep again. This time, when I woke up, I had been pod killed by Tech 9 industries. Not a big deal, but I would really like to know where I was when they killed me. Was I in New Eden or in Promised Land?
In case it has not been brought to your attention yet, it is clear from CONCORD records that you were exploded and podded in New Eden.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.07.30 01:20:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Ston Momaki This post is also found on my thread.
JOINT STATEMENT OF THE DISCIPLES OF STON
Extraordinary! This is the best word to describe what has happened this morning. First, thanks to Manwe for getting us started on this research. Second, thanks to Edaine for taking time and expense to assist us to the concluding event of today. Edaine took a specially equipped Minmatar frigate with a sustained speed of 3131 M/S and traveled from the coordinates I provided straight on into the stellar core. Upon reaching the core, there was a massive release of energy that accelerated his ship almost instantly to well over 300,000,000 M/S to a distance out to 900,000 from the stellar mass. The camera drone image below shows the quickest reaction Edaine could muster as his ship was blown away from the stellar mass. The velocity reading at that point was 325,748,224 M/S. Wow! You will need to load the image and view the larger shot to see the velocity meter number.
hitting the stellar core
We feel that this is an experience to share with all capsuleers and not keep secret. We want to provide the last bookmark recorded before hitting the core. From this waypoint one can fly towards the core. Do this manually. If you try to use the "approach" setting on your Nav it will show error. Instead choose a point right next to the stellar core and head to it. Depending on the speed of your ship, in a short time you will hit the core and be impacted by an enormous release of energy. This is nothing like warping. The acceleration ought to kill you, but it doesn't. It ought to destroy your ship, but it doesn't.
Because we are relative new at space exploration as capsuleers,we are not sure of the most efficient way to get this stellar waypoint out to the community of pilots who may want to test this experience for themselves. Any ideas? We used the Piekura star. Anyone who wants the coordinate can contact us and we will get it to you somehow.
The Disciples of Ston bid you the excitement of discovery.
I once managed to have the same experience roughly 2 years ago.
While testing combat probes, I managed to scan out a pod that for a time appeared not to move. I figured it in close proximity to the sun. I recall this was the Cat system.
Thinking that a fellow pilot had simply fallen asleep, I decided to investigate and once I warped in, found my battle cruiser being hurtled away at incredible (or apparently) non-warp speed.
What is so perplexing about this is that the capsule, while having a warpable signal on it, was never in the vicinity. Perhaps I managed to get a signal on it for the short time it was at the steller core? That would be very lucky, but the capsule appeared stationary on my probing results, and its presence was consistent. I have not revisited this matter since.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.07.30 02:16:00 -
[93]
Mr. Wolfhammer: We have discovered that a capsule experiences the same phenomenon but is only thrown back a short distance. While heavier ships are thrown back hundreds of thousands to millions of KM,the Nav Com only measures 0 for the pod. I'm guessing you and pod reached the core roughly at the same time but the pod continued to register as 0km from the stellar center.
As soon as I am trained to pilot the new research vessel, I will be exploring stellar masses of various densities to record differences in the phenomena they produce.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.08.01 03:31:00 -
[94]
I just read Ston's log for tonight. I agree and disagree with what he said. The gift of a trip to the stellar core is a gift, but not a simple gift. It is a gift that involves an experience of the physics of reality, whether or not they are couched in those terms.
I am glad that someone accepted the gift. If more pilots would take a break from the trivialities of greed and war, perhaps a true growth of knowledge, peace, and goodness would grow. I hope that the pilot involved will begin to allow the spirit of inquiry to grow within him and that more than wealth or violence will interest him.
Thanks for cracking the shell of distrust Ston. I appreciate it.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.08.03 03:37:00 -
[95]
If I weren't a Disciple of Ston, I'd tell you where to shove your Planck Bubbles.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.08.05 03:29:00 -
[96]
I would like to entertain opinions and analyzes of counter or cross directional warp tunnels. This phenomenon is frequent enough that someone ought to have studied it in detail. When they occur, they do not seem to impact the trajectory of the observing craft at all. Other than being rather disconcerting to observe, they seem to be innocuous. This would lead one to conclude that they are more or less a visible phenomena rather than an actual quantum occurrence.
We have seen through our study of the anti-singularity effect in high gravity situations such as stellar masses, that residual warp fields exist and have an impact on visible light among other things. Perhaps the cross directional warp tunnel occurs when a full power warp field intersects a residual warp fied left by another vessel. The visible "tunnel" is perhaps an echo of sorts, carried along by the moving vessel. I have also noted from time to time that there is no visible warp tunnel at all. Could the two events be related? Perhaps so.
Again, nature abhors a vacuum. It would make sense that the weaker anti-singularity would generate the visible effect as energy and particles seek out the presence of the least distorted space. I am also studying the theory of persistent residual warp fields that surround all vessels that have generated a warp field at any any time. More on that later.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.08.05 03:53:00 -
[97]
It's not that hard to explain, at least whenever you consider the things at play with the warp fields. You have to describe the effects in terms of a special metric though, which may require some training in physics.
Just think about spacetime. Think four-dimensionally, and it all makes sense. ------- I spy with my third eye crimson clouds beyond the horizon... |
Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.08.06 03:05:00 -
[98]
Indeed, this is why our ships are able to phase with some unshielded matter such as station ruins, planets, and other ships under the right conditions. Ever notice how your ship will pass through another ship when close to certain energy sources such as station docking ports? Ever notice how ships will pass through planets and the spacial warp will compound once inside the body?
Persistent residual anti-singularity warp fields are found most anywhere a warp generating ship has been. We can expect these occurrences on regular basis, but not always on a predictable basis. Time and observation should provide a baseline for prediction at some point.
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Ston Momaki
Caldari Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.08.07 02:50:00 -
[99]
I flew through Korama today and there was this "wierd" effect as I passed by the sun. I noted your presence in the system. Are messing with the sun in Korama, Manwe? Do be careful please.
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Erelaszun
No Right Choice
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Posted - 2011.08.08 07:35:00 -
[100]
I am Curious Manwe, do you have the equipment to make a video log from the feed of your camera drone? I am sure I am not alone, when I say a video of this happening when hitting the stellar core would be awe inspiring to see.
This has given me a new goal in the universe.
I have went out, found a great deal on a Minmatar Vigil. I have outfitted her for speed, and now can sustain 3999m/s. I have already started on this journey myself, and recorded my waypoint when I couldn't stay awake longer. I have alot of distance to go at the star I chose, but I think it will be worth it.
Be safe Disciples of Ston, and thank you for giving me the gift of this exploration. Would love to see a video log soon!
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.08.08 21:57:00 -
[101]
Dear Erelaszun, Here is how to shorten your time. bring up the solar system map and find way points that if you travel between them the line passes through the sun or three way points on the same orbital plain where you could create intersecting additional waypoints. before warping between points, open the bookmark function and stand ready. In a short time you can create a series of bookmarks that gets you closer and closer and finally inside the solar mass. From there, the speed of your ship will get you there a lot faster. Once you have bookmarked a point very close to impact, save it. make bookmarks often so you don't have to do it all over again.
I wish I had the video capability to do what you suggest. If you do, please publish it for the community. I hope the shortcut instructions make sense. Knowing how to do something andexplaining it can be very different things, if you know what I mean.
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Erelaszun
No Right Choice
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Posted - 2011.08.09 01:21:00 -
[102]
I do understand exactly what you mean. However I must say, I am finding the Journey quite pleasant. With the built in safty of the camera drone, its quite nice to watch as I fly towards the sun, and can just make out the outline of my ship in the spectacular light the sun gives off. It almost feels like meditation as I embark on this journey into the stellar core. At my current speed, and distance I have already traveled, I have about 20 more hours of flying to reach my goal... and I am loving every minute of it.
It is nice to find something that takes my mind off of the normal grind that is daily life here in New Eden.
I do have the video log uplink to my camera drone. I will attempt to capture footage when I reach my destination of the stellar core. But who knows what that kind of burst of energy will do to the video uplink. I guess all I can do is pray it holds, and I can capture footage of it.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.08.09 18:04:00 -
[103]
It is peaceful indeed. Make sure you save bookmarks every now and then. When you reach "0" KM from the solar bookmark, you can no longer use the "approach" function in the nav com. At that point you doubleclick on any point adjacent to the sun waypoint. As you near the center, the tunnel behind you will appear to narrow in diameter. To see another interesting effect, use the "look at" function and send your camera drone far away from the sun to view it while you are in it. Your will see visual disturbance. You will also be able to see how close to the center you are actually getting. Sometimes, it appears as if the corona is separate from the rest of the stellar mass.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.08.10 23:00:00 -
[104]
My research in Korama is finished. I pinpointed the bookmark at almost exactly the stellar center this time so if you warp there, you will immediately bounce out to about 1.5 million KM in the Aletheia. If you warp in within 10 or so and finish the trip with the micro-warp on, you will bounce to 2.4 million KM. The added energy of the activated micro-warp adds nearly a full million KM to the distance blown back. If anyone would like these coordinates for Korama, we would be glad to share them. I need to get back to some Disciple work in Rens and Abudban. Balance is needed.
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Ston Momaki
Caldari Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.08.14 03:04:00 -
[105]
Manwe, Do me a big favor. Please open a preservation hangar in our office in Rens where we can preserve clone bodies recovered in that area. There is no need to transport them to Korama. Do you have a copy of the text we use to contact the owners? If so, feel free to do that on your own. If you do not have time, just send me the contacts and I will do it. Log the the names somewhere for easy retrieval.
Lets us persist in the task of keeping humanity before the hearts of our fellow capsuleers.
O yes, I received your "gift" of the stellar coordinates for Korama. How shall I say it? "its quite a ride!"
Your Brother, Ston
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.08.15 13:31:00 -
[106]
After observing a specific pattern among a number of capsuleers, I decided it was time to hit the archives and do some research. I have noted that a good number of capsuleers have shown an affinity with the number designation 666 by assigning it to their avatar name. I was curious as to the significance of this this.
I discovered a single primary source and thousands of secondary sources. Curious... The single primary source was a compilation of ancient earth religious texts. All the secondary sources were linked to it but had very little real connection to it. The Primary source had only one reference in thousands of pages to this number 666. It is found in an apocalyptic text referring to a man and his followers who have sold themselves to do evil. The number is referred to as "man's number." Apparently, in the end, it doesn't go so well for those who identify with this number.
Now, the secondary sources go hog wild with the number. Many of these sources were ancient forms of entertainment in the form of fiction, cinema, etc. Apparently the fascination with evil throughout history has not waned. So why do capsuleers of today still use this number? The surface reason is that some wish to identify themselves as evil or as partnered with evil. Perhaps there is an emotional quality to that Identification. This I do not personally understand, but I see the pattern throughout history. It also might be that as the infomorph drifts from humanity, evil is a tenacious vestige that sort of hangs on.
A side note... I have on very rare occasions also spotted the designation 777. Yes, you guessed it, this is a reference to ultimate good. In either case, my initial conclusion for both cases is, "I think thou dost protest too much." In other words, those who think they personify evil actually only wish to appear tough. Those who believe they personify good, are self-decieved.
O yes, Ston, I have set up the clone body preservation hangar in Ren's. I am ready to fill it up with corpses. I note that we have yet to successfully return a single corpse.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.08.16 18:10:00 -
[107]
I am disappointed about the loss of our endowment. I did want the freedom to train more and to do more research. However, I am sticking with the Disciples. The Ren's office is closed. It was nice to have, but we didn't need it. I can outfit my own hangar for cold storage and bulk transport any bodies I find back to Korama when needed. Well, back to work.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.08.17 02:53:00 -
[108]
If we, the Disciples of Ston, can but for a few moments, turn a pilot away from the pursuits of violence or accumulation, we have fulfilled our work. Tonight's work in Rens was humbling and rewarding. I was able to introduce two pilots to the gift of a journey to the stellar core. For just those moments, these two pilots were doing something that didn't involve any destruction or any exchange of ISK.
I commend these two pilots, because they were brave enough to allow themselves to risk being led by their own curiosity into a different experience. As usual, there were many warnings and much mocking by their peers, but they went anyway. They were not bullied back into the norm. This is a strength of humanity still present within some capsuleers and it is good to see it.
One of them gave me a gratuity of 1 million ISK. This will help pay the office rent since the loss of our endowment. Thank you, pilot from the Disciples of Ston.
The research into the stellar core phenomena has been time consuming and a little tedious, but now I see that it can be used to enhance the basic work of the Disciples. Sometimes diversions can become a peaceful accident of sorts. Such is the case here.
I will now begin work on paring down the stellar core in Abudban. I did a little work on it tonight, but my marks got off the orbital plane and so are useless. I will start over again tomorrow. The core bookmark in Rens was really close to the core. I was pleased with that.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.08.17 19:08:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Manwe Todako on 17/08/2011 19:16:54 I will not attempt to locate the stellar center in Abudban. The Nav points in that system are all on different orbital plains. However, Odatrik is just the system to triangulate the core. It has many nan points all on the same orbital plain. This I have begun to do. Now the part that takes patience... I have triangulated as close to the core as I can get, now I just head in a bookmark along the way. Soon, The Disciples of Ston will have the gift to offer the citizens of Odatrik.
Edit: just a note that the speed of light in a vacuum like space is 299,792,458 M/S. Our velocities for the stellar phenomena are exceeding this value. We are yet studying an explanation for this. Warp travel does not technically involve faster than light velocities but rather a space time warp. This however "is" faster than light speed. Pilot/scientist are welcome to weigh in with opinions on this.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.08.18 17:09:00 -
[110]
I have finished mapping the stellar core in Odatrik. The coordinate is a bout 30 seconds from the core at 500 M/S. This is a small yellow sun and the residual anti-singularity effect is clearly seen in the aft view from my ship. The power of these residual fields is extraordinary. I am 30 seconds from the core of the sun and my vessel is not harmed, crushed, or burned to plasma; truly remarkable.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.08.19 17:46:00 -
[111]
A quick word of thanks to Edaine for sending this still shot of his Hulk phasing with a wreck and camera drone. This is more evidence of the existence of residual anti-singularity/anti-space fields around matter that has been in a generated warp field.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.08.21 00:49:00 -
[112]
I successfully reached and marked the stellar center of the red giant star Dodixie earlier today. Thank you, Renier, for your kind interaction on the subject of this star and for pointing out the issues of automatic navigation vs manual navigation.
Those who would try to reach stellar cores using the automatic settings of their navigation computers will find it impossible. Those who designed this equipment were wise and programed in multiple safety features to prevent accidental contact with stellar masses and the destructive forces of heat and gravity.
One must navigate manually to reach the core. This is "seat of your pants" navigation. I will not go into it here but will work on a short tutorial to post soon on IGS for those who want to learn how to do this.
Dodixie turned out to be one of the quickest mappings so far. The reason? Ease of establishing navigational bookmarks on the same orbital plane in transverse relationship to the star. This makes getting close to the core much quicker.
This is the first red giant star core we have reached. I have yet to document and data, but first impressions seem to indicate that the gravity of this star limits the distance one is thrown upon the impact with the core. I was able to set the bookmark less than 15 seconds from the core at 500 M/S. If you are flying a hulk, that is a bit longer. Anyone who uses our coordinates my fine tune their own bookmarks to fit the speed of your own vessel.
I would like to know if there is interest in a tutorial on how to reach stellar cores in a reasonable amount of time. If there is interest, I will go to the effort to explain and illustrate through cockpit stills on the procedure I use. Perhaps there are others who could then provide improved methods. Just reply here with your interest.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.08.22 19:02:00 -
[113]
6 stellar cores have now been reached. Ston successfully reached the Jita core today. This is especially exciting because of the potential of enlisting a freighter to go into the core. We think that a massive vessel will rebound a much greater distance. We have seen this even in the difference between a capsule, shuttle, and frigate. We hope for date from a freighter pilot that Ston spoke to today. Lets hope.
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Ston Momaki
Caldari Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.08.24 03:10:00 -
[114]
This was an exciting day. We now have mapped a total of 8 stellar cores including... THE NEW EDEN STAR. I met very interesting pilots in new Eden today. All that I talked to seemed sincerely interested in what we are doing in stellar research. New Eden holds our curiosity like no other system.
Now, what I need is a navigation point on a line between the solar core and the center of the gate phenomenon. From that line, one can warp to the solar core and rebound toward the gate phenomenon. If one does this in a heavy ship, one could get several million KM towards the gate in just a few seconds. New Eden is very hard to navigate in that there are so few warp points and so it is hard to triangulate new coordinates. One is left with long travel times at subwarp. This is boring and dangerous; dangerous, because there are probe ships that come in to pick you off for fun if you are not alert.
I am a little worried about Ston. He seems melancholy. Perhaps it is the Achura influence. His revision of his initial entry was good, but what did he mean, "feeling human...?" The slavery thing is really on his mind, more than it is on mine. He has from time to time spoken of embracing human mortality. What does that mean for a capsuleer?
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.08.24 03:26:00 -
[115]
This was an exciting day. We now have mapped a total of 8 stellar cores including... THE NEW EDEN STAR. I met very interesting pilots in new Eden today. All that I talked to seemed sincerely interested in what we are doing in stellar research. New Eden holds our curiosity like no other system.
Now, what I need is a navigation point on a line between the solar core and the center of the gate phenomenon. From that line, one can warp to the solar core and rebound toward the gate phenomenon. If one does this in a heavy ship, one could get several million KM towards the gate in just a few seconds. New Eden is very hard to navigate in that there are so few warp points and so it is hard to triangulate new coordinates. One is left with long travel times at subwarp. This is boring and dangerous; dangerous, because there are probe ships that come in to pick you off for fun if you are not alert.
I am a little worried about Ston. He seems melancholy. Perhaps it is the Achura influence. His revision of his initial entry was good, but what did he mean, "feeling human...?" The slavery thing is really on his mind, more than it is on mine. He has from time to time spoken of embracing human mortality. What does that mean for a capsuleer?
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.08.26 17:17:00 -
[116]
I have been taking my time getting back to Minmatar space from my time in New Eden. I saw that my route took me through Uttindar, so I decided to stop in at the Minmatar Mining Reserve and have a visit with Edaine. He is there working for the company for a while to establish efficient refining facilities with no tax for future mining ops. So, he says to me, "You been kind of quiet on the slavery issue that has been discussed lately on IGS. Are you riding the fence? Are you hiding out in stars so you don't have to lay your cards out?" I was a irritated at his candor. However, I knew he had a point. Ston has crossed a line and from this point on, he is an abolitionist. He would back peddle from it. I am a former slave. What is my problem? Am I afraid that my view will be discarded simply because I am a former slave?
I am not liking this about myself and I will tolerate it no more. I now get off the fence on the side of Abolition. The Disciples of Ston, indeed say that the time has come for abolition. The time has come for Concord to bring in the mechanisms to make the lawful rescue and freeing of slave possible for the capsuleer pilot. I am an abolitionist.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.08.27 21:27:00 -
[117]
Fear, suspicion of everyone, and self-protection drowns the spirit of curiosity within the psyche of the capsuleer. Today in Rens I found fear to be the dominant motivator. The exception was a pilot named Aaron (name changed to protect pricacy).
I began by asking if anyone would like to experience the speed of light non-warp. This brought inquiries, of course and mostly disbelief. However I persisted. Soon, I had a pilot who seemed interested. I arranged to meet outside of the Treasury, but then he backed out.
Then Aaron expressed interest. I explained how it worked and that we would be visitting the stellar core. "That is impossible" he said. "no it isn't, I replied, we have found a way and I can prove it." Other pilots joined in with the typical "its a trap, blah blah." Of course the homosexual derogitories streamed out of local chat. What is with that anyway?
Long story short, he went through with it. He traveled to the core and experienced light speed. Aaron is to be commended. Here is the paranoia of Rens today. The explanation given by the nay sayers was, "he's an alt." What that means I do not know, but it seems to indicate that they thought it was a setup. How fear rules and quenches courage, curiosity, and intellectual growth.
Fear is quenching something even more important. Fear is quenching the courage needed by the whole free capsuleer community to rise up and demand abolition. Fear is perpetuating the wickedness of slavery. Fear is an intellectual cloak to hide cowardice. The Disciples of Ston will strive to expose this cloak whenever and wherever we can.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.08.30 02:54:00 -
[118]
I must pause, meditate, and wait before responding to Ms. Goldcore. While I know I should not ever be surprised at the depth of self-justification, even self-glorification behind those who argue for the continuation of slavery, something she said rather topped the charts in this respect.
"My Flock" Yep, that is how she refers to her slaves. She has defined herself into a messiah complex in order to not be convinced that slavery is wrong.
How does one even speak to someone who believes she is her slaves' savior and that by keeping them in slavery? I would like to invent an expletive just for this occasion, but the Disciples aren't supposed to cuss.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.08.31 03:43:00 -
[119]
As directed by Ston Momaki and Edaine Numenor, in about three days time, I will begin an intensive training program to equip myself to gain access to areas of space we have not been able to access. Several months ago, Ston made a visit to sub null space for a couple days. During that time, he was pod killed five times. In spite of that, he reported that the environment is ripe for the work and influence of the Disciples of Ston. The Disciples have agreed that will be trained and equipped to make trips into null and sub-null space as a representative of the Disciples and our values. Part of the the timing of this training corresponds to a couple of generous donations to the Disciples. Specific training materials/skill books were purchased with some of the funds. We are thankful for this.
We hope to be good stewards of these resources and to be able to expand our vision for peace, freedom and non-violence out into some of the most violent areas of space. How will we do this? First and foremost, by just being a non-violent presence in these areas... From there, we will need to develop methods and foci as we have throughout our work. I will do little else while I train, though I may try to chart some stellar cores during this time.
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Jason Galente
Gallente mishima ryu
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Posted - 2011.08.31 05:10:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Manwe Todako As directed by Ston Momaki and Edaine Numenor, in about three days time, I will begin an intensive training program to equip myself to gain access to areas of space we have not been able to access. Several months ago, Ston made a visit to sub null space for a couple days. During that time, he was pod killed five times. In spite of that, he reported that the environment is ripe for the work and influence of the Disciples of Ston. The Disciples have agreed that will be trained and equipped to make trips into null and sub-null space as a representative of the Disciples and our values. Part of the the timing of this training corresponds to a couple of generous donations to the Disciples. Specific training materials/skill books were purchased with some of the funds. We are thankful for this.
We hope to be good stewards of these resources and to be able to expand our vision for peace, freedom and non-violence out into some of the most violent areas of space. How will we do this? First and foremost, by just being a non-violent presence in these areas... From there, we will need to develop methods and foci as we have throughout our work. I will do little else while I train, though I may try to chart some stellar cores during this time.
While I am aware it is the desire of the Disciples to maintain a non-violent presence in the area, should you desire any level of security should the local populace prove unwilling to remove the instinctual fear complex within them, please contact me. I would be more than happy to help financially or in person.
Those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary. They will walk and not be faint. |
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.09.01 03:12:00 -
[121]
Dear Mr. Galente, Your closing citation creates a picture of spiritual beauty and peace. It is strong poetry from a good tribe I am sure. I will take its sentiment with me into the vastness and dangers that await. Thank you.
Ston and I sat in our respective captain's quarters this evening and charted out some ideas for months ahead. Here are a couple issues... 1. The fight for abolition will require patience. When the raucous is over and the issue ceases to be of significance to some, we must keep it significant to the Disciples and not abandon it. Persons in slavery; that is what it is about. 2. Simplification. Ston is trashing most of the old manual. Why? It was a micro-managed nightmare (his words not mine) He is re-writing it to reflect simple values. Possible future members will be more free to train skills and fly advanced equipment while remaining strictly non-violent. People will be our focus. We are moving away from the old MO of petty theft; not forbidding it, but not focusing on it at all. I quote Ston on this one, "The Disciples are no longer eager to do anything that hastens the pulling of the trigger, even at ourselves." 3. We need to listen as well as speak. We need to temper zeal with patience. Disciple types do not always do this well.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.09.01 13:08:00 -
[122]
The Disciples of Ston will be logging our work together beginning 9/5 when the new forum is opened and the old is locked into read only. Unfortunately, the continuity of recent issues will be lost. On the positive side, we can comment on each other's post in greater proximity while logging our own work. This is more efficient. We hope that someday new pilots will join as members. A central portal in one main thread will help train and integrate any new pilots.
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Malcolm Khross
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.09.01 13:11:00 -
[123]
Here's a thought for ye, could ye nay just quote the topics that be primary importance to ye and copy 'em o'er to the new forum to maintain continuity?
---------------------------------- ~Captain Malcolm Khross
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.09.02 03:07:00 -
[124]
I received the notice of war declaration from Concord today. I will try to stay clear of Ms. Goodman.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.09.05 01:16:00 -
[125]
This is probably my last entry here is all goes well on the new setup.
My training regimen has been altered because the the generosity of Edaine Numenor. 60,000 LP's and 60,000,000 ISK to equip me with all five standard cyber learning implants. This means that the bulk of my training will take less time. SO first, I am workin on the first four levels of my implant skill so I can use the gift.
Thank you Edaine. I will try to use them well.
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Manwe Todako
Minmatar Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.09.05 23:40:00 -
[126]
This extended time of training is a blessing in disguise. It will afford me the opportunity to stay in the Rens neighborhood and work on star mapping and interacting with local pilots. I will start in Frarn.
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