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Daniela Darr
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Posted - 2011.05.08 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Shawna Gray
Originally by: Daniela Darr
Perhaps it's a bit too philosophical but that would imply that you act differently whenever the external rules change.
I'd say its because he realizes its just a game of spaceships where stealing, suicide ganking etc are a part of the game just as much as mining or running lvl 4's.
They're just as much part of life, it's just that the penalties are slightly different.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.08 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Daniela Darr Perhaps it's a bit too philosophical but that would imply that you act differently whenever the external rules change.
Do you gouge your friends/family for every last penny when you play Monopoly? Do you do this to them when you're not playing Monopoly? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Shawna Gray
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.08 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: Daniela Darr
Originally by: Shawna Gray
Originally by: Daniela Darr
Perhaps it's a bit too philosophical but that would imply that you act differently whenever the external rules change.
I'd say its because he realizes its just a game of spaceships where stealing, suicide ganking etc are a part of the game just as much as mining or running lvl 4's.
They're just as much part of life, it's just that the penalties are slightly different.
No because in real life its not a game. Someone can actually get hurt if I shoot them in the face in real life. Thats why I dont go around shooting people in real life. Its not because its against the law.
If you so desperately want to compare EVE to real life compare it to beating another team/person playing football, tennis, chess or any other kind of game.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.08 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Camanche Jim To prove this point, I want to relate a fact.
I made up an Eve account to try being an Eve asshat, because it gave me the opportunity and I wanted to experience it.
Trained up a char to fly HACs and went into lo-sec and soloed a bit of misery giving.
After 2 weeks of podding and being podded a number of times, (losing 13 HACs) I asked myself "Am I enjoying this?"
To be perfectly truthful to myself, I was not a happy camper, and the only reason I could arrive at was that I was not the type of person (in RL) to be a griefer so I could not extend this to Eve.
Maybe you were unhappy because getting blown up over and over again demonstrated that you were really terrible at EVE?
13 HACs in 2 weeks.
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Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.08 09:47:00 -
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Article made me think of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU1UmY6gSt8
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Triskie
Caldari Dead Cat Explorations
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Posted - 2011.05.08 09:58:00 -
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To those that argue in-game actions equate to real life actions then I would be very interested in some examples. What does podding someone equate to? What about blowing up a Hulk just because you can? Is this same as just walking up to some defenceless individual and then punching them in the face.. or worse. Is scamming someone for ISK the same as scamming someone for real life money. EULA nor any sort of national law seems to think so.
I believe that most who use the argument that the same moral code that applies to real life should apply to an internet game are simply using a self-righteous point of view to cover the fact they find losing difficult to deal with. In the end it really is just a game and if you feel so emotional about some aspects of it then perhaps it would better for you not to play.
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ModeratedToSilence
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Posted - 2011.05.08 09:59:00 -
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When I first started playing this terrible game, I started as amarr. I joined a corporation that was made up solely of amarr pilots. Amarr are heavily religous slave traders. According to the logic provided by the author of that article that would mean i must be a heavily religous slave trader. Oh I can hear the apologists for whinny cry baby saying: "you dont actively enslave other real people just npc trade goods - it is not relevant".
Then CCP released faction warfare. As an amarr racial character in an amarr corp I became involved in that aspect of the game. I would log into the game known as eve online and literally hunt minmatar to kill them. Now I hate to break it to you all but I have never purposefully hunted members of another race in real life. The thought processes involved in creating an action plan to intiate such demonstrive behaviour is completely foreign to me.
Continuing with this strain of discussion: when I was a young lad, a long time ago, I used to play dungeons and dragons. The group I played regularly with had fun randomising characters - rolling a dice to decide play type - if any one rolled a dice and came up as a chaotic evil rogue, then thats the character they played. It did not mean they became chaotic and evil in real life...
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Juncq
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Posted - 2011.05.08 10:20:00 -
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If you are acting like a **** in the game it is because you are a **** in real life.
Trying to justify your douchebaggery by claiming that the game mechanics allow it or that there is no specific rule forbidding it makes you even more of a ****.
Things I regard as griefing are: Can-baiting in rookie systems, relentless wardeccing of 3 man newbie corps, constantly spamming local with irrelevant bull**** (telling everyone how much dope you smoke or how much you hate gays are good examples of this), bumping some miner for 45 minutes. There are many more examples but generally any normal person knows if they are being a **** or not.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.08 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Juncq If you are acting like a **** in the game it is because you are a **** in real life.
àunless you're only acting like a ****.
Quote: Things I regard as griefing are
àalmost entirely irrelevant. It's CCP who decides that, and they've set up some very loose rules that exclude a whole bunch of things that would be considered griefing in your average non-PvP/theme-park MMO. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Triskie
Caldari Dead Cat Explorations
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Posted - 2011.05.08 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Juncq If you are acting like a **** in the game it is because you are a **** in real life.
Trying to justify your douchebaggery by claiming that the game mechanics allow it or that there is no specific rule forbidding it makes you even more of a ****.
Things I regard as griefing are: Can-baiting in rookie systems, relentless wardeccing of 3 man newbie corps, constantly spamming local with irrelevant bull**** (telling everyone how much dope you smoke or how much you hate gays are good examples of this), bumping some miner for 45 minutes. There are many more examples but generally any normal person knows if they are being a **** or not.
Can-baiting in rookie systems: Is that really so bad? New guy loses a cheap ship and learns a lesson of the game.
Relentless war-decing of a three man corp: So what? Break up the corp and reform. Try and fight back. Hire Mercs. War-Dec are an integral part of the game in high sec.
Constantly spamming bull in local: Use the ignore tool provided. Even real life has no such convenience.
Bumping some miner for forty five minutes: Haha! This really happened for a whole forty five minutes or is this just hyperbole. Unless it was for a pvp reason to keep the miner from warping away then it can be petitioned.
From the tone of your post it sounds as if its competitive behaviour in a game that is the issue that is upsetting you. The problem actually lies with you and your inability to maturely deal with it.
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Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.08 10:42:00 -
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Can baiting in starter systems is petitionable.
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Kingston Black
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Posted - 2011.05.08 11:22:00 -
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I don't get it i really don't.
Im a lowsec pirate, i'll kill anyone i can catch for the shiney loots and i tend to make more isk than i lose doing it it's a business nothing personal (although tears are always good!).
Guess that makes me an evil sociopath IRL then
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.08 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Again, if he (Arnold) is enjoying making people miserable and griefing them then it is no longer acting.
And if the jerk-RP:er is actually RP:ing, he is acting.
If it is giving him real life pleasure to make real life people miserable it is NOT acting. It doesn't get more obvious than that.
And I'd wager that there aren't people out there intentionally harassing people and not enjoying it. So I don't believe for a minute that it doesn't give them pleasure to hurt other people. There's a clinical term for this.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Marcella Moreau
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.08 12:53:00 -
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I'm no psychologist--I don't even play one on TV, so I'm not going to try to figure out why griefers grief and whether they're psychotic sociopaths, immature brats, or just average Joes and Janes blowing off steam in a computer game--I'll leave that to others. As far as I'm concerned, griefers only have power over you if you let them have it. For instance, how many people here are posting using alts instead of their main characters because they're concerned griefers might take what they say here out on them in game? When you do that, you're giving them power over you--and that's something I won't do. When you rage or get upset because they wardec you or suicide gank you--then you're giving them power over you.
I do think that sometimes people mistake--sometimes deliberately--stiff competition for griefing. If I go into lowsec in a fat juicy hauler or decked out mission ship without doing intel or without scouting first, then I get what's coming to me because I screwed up. If I get caught with my pants down, then I messed up. If I lose my cool and stumble into a "can-baiting" trap--then I made a blunder and my opponent's use of psychology as well as tactics and strategy paid off. There's nothing wrong with competing and competing hard--that's part of the game.
But there is also the concept of good sportsmanship. Someone brought up chess, football, and tennis. After a chess game or a tennis match, I don't know about the rest of you guys and gals, but I always offer my hand to my opponent--win or lose--and say, "Good game." Unfortunately, we're living in a culture that glorifies trash talking and end-zone dancing. Griefers online are merely emulating other griefers such as Terrell Owens, Barry Bonds, Ocho Cinco, and others like them. One of the comments following the Massively article shows this where the commentator essentially sneered at the concepts of good manners and sportsmanship. Manners and etiquette are the lubricants that keep all societies functioning. Remove them, and it all falls like a house of cards. And that includes the Social Darwinist laboratory that is EVE. "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." Groucho Marx |
Shawna Gray
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.08 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Marcella Moreau
But there is also the concept of good sportsmanship. Someone brought up chess, football, and tennis. After a chess game or a tennis match, I don't know about the rest of you guys and gals, but I always offer my hand to my opponent--win or lose--and say, "Good game." Unfortunately, we're living in a culture that glorifies trash talking and end-zone dancing.
Most of the time people say "good fight" or something similar in local. Generally the worst trashtalkers are the ones losing their ships. You find the same comments in professional or amateur football, chess, tennis etc matches. Some people just cant handle losing.
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Heian Galanodel
Amarr 5th Element Inc The Ambivalent
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Posted - 2011.05.08 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: Heian Galanodel on 08/05/2011 14:25:36
Originally by: ModeratedToSilence When I first started playing this terrible game, I started as amarr. I joined a corporation that was made up solely of amarr pilots. Amarr are heavily religous slave traders. According to the logic provided by the author of that article that would mean i must be a heavily religous slave trader. Oh I can hear the apologists for whinny cry baby saying: "you dont actively enslave other real people just npc trade goods - it is not relevant".
Then CCP released faction warfare. As an amarr racial character in an amarr corp I became involved in that aspect of the game. I would log into the game known as eve online and literally hunt minmatar to kill them. Now I hate to break it to you all but I have never purposefully hunted members of another race in real life. The thought processes involved in creating an action plan to intiate such demonstrive behaviour is completely foreign to me.
Continuing with this strain of discussion: when I was a young lad, a long time ago, I used to play dungeons and dragons. The group I played regularly with had fun randomising characters - rolling a dice to decide play type - if any one rolled a dice and came up as a chaotic evil rogue, then thats the character they played. It did not mean they became chaotic and evil in real life...
I agree.
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EnderCapitalG
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.08 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: herta Shaishi Anyone have a bank account? You know, money in such account does not exist in reality, it is just information flow in the form of 0 and 1. And all you see are white or colored pixels on the screen of your PC. So they have only imaginary value, they are just pixels. Can I have your pixels?
So when I go to the bank to withdraw money, I'm only withdrawing pixels, right? Right? Right?
Also to everyone else, if you think somebody is griefing and you think it's against the EULA, petition them.
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.05.08 15:30:00 -
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I'm kinda on the young side (15), so my opinion is likely not one of a mature person.
Anyway, I feel that if a person plays for the sole reason to make others frustrated and put others down (as in they don't care about winning, they don't care about any part of the game, just smack talking and trolling and "grief") then that is a representation of how they feel in real life.
Otherwise, they're just playing the game provided by CCP.
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Roosterton
The 57th Overlanders
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Posted - 2011.05.08 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Roosterton on 08/05/2011 16:20:34 Edited by: Roosterton on 08/05/2011 16:18:02
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 08/05/2011 13:01:00
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Again, if he (Arnold) is enjoying making people miserable and griefing them then it is no longer acting.
And if the jerk-RP:er is actually RP:ing, he is acting.
If it is giving him real life pleasure to make real life people miserable it is NOT acting. It doesn't get more obvious than that.
And I'd wager that there aren't people out there intentionally harassing people and not enjoying it. So I don't believe for a minute that they're simply role-playing the jerk and not enjoying doing it. There's a clinical term for this.
If you enjoy "tears" from strangers you are a sadist.
I'd argue that if the real life people are made miserable in their real lives because of being killed in an online game, they probably aren't of the mental state to be playing such games. If their "tears" and smacktalk are simply a part of their EVE character, then what's wrong with the other side's amusement and ****iness being a part of their EVE character as well? If I learned that the person I've just been stationcamping is having IRL suicidal thoughts, I'd stop right away.
Barring that, if they're just in-game mad at me (which is most cases) I'll take it for what it is and roleplay along. I've been griefed before, and I've had painful losses. Sure, it hurts, but not to the point where it affects my RL. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
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Demolishar
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Posted - 2011.05.08 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Roosterton If I learned that the person I've just been stationcamping is having IRL suicidal thoughts, I'd stop right away.
Awww rooster, I thought you were cool
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.08 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: Astenion on 08/05/2011 16:32:04 Whether or not ships are meant to be blown up or whether or not you do or don't get p!ssed off because of it is beside the point.
If you enjoy p!ssing people off in a game, then that means you enjoy doing it in real life; just because you rarely get the chance to due to your being a shy or passive person doesn't change that fact. That's like saying you don't wanna f*ck someone you're jerking off to just because it's p*rn. Whether you would IRL due to your current situation is completely beside the point...you cannot control how you feel, only what you do. If outwardly you're a shy recluse but inside you're a raging assh0le, then you're still a raging assh0le...you just don't show it.
That's what role-playing is...a fantasy. It's something you personally would like to do but all you have to do it with is your imagination, or in this case, a video game. It's up to the victim to decide whether or not to be angry about it. The only reason you don't care about it is because normal, well-adjusted human beings can RATIONALIZE that it's not that big of a deal, that it's only a game.
People who fail to see how being an assh0le online still counts as being an assh0le are just as delusional as people who fail to see that it's only a game and in the grand scheme of things not really important at all.
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Roosterton
The 57th Overlanders
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Posted - 2011.05.08 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: Roosterton on 08/05/2011 16:43:08
Originally by: Astenion Edited by: Astenion on 08/05/2011 16:32:04 Whether or not ships are meant to be blown up or whether or not you do or don't get p!ssed off because of it is beside the point.
If you enjoy p!ssing people off in a game, then that means you enjoy doing it in real life; just because you rarely get the chance to due to your being a shy or passive person doesn't change that fact. That's like saying you don't wanna f*ck someone you're jerking off to just because it's p*rn. Whether you would IRL due to your current situation is completely beside the point...you cannot control how you feel, only what you do. If outwardly you're a shy recluse but inside you're a raging assh0le, then you're still a raging assh0le...you just don't show it.
That's what role-playing is...a fantasy. It's something you personally would like to do but all you have to do it with is your imagination, or in this case, a video game. It's up to the victim to decide whether or not to be angry about it. The only reason you don't care about it is because normal, well-adjusted human beings can RATIONALIZE that it's not that big of a deal, that it's only a game.
People who fail to see how being an assh0le online still counts as being an assh0le are just as delusional as people who fail to see that it's only a game and in the grand scheme of things not really important at all.
So I take it, then, that you wouldn't sacrifice a pawn to kill a queen in a game of Chess? Because that means you fantasize of being a heartless military commander perfectly willing to send troops knowingly to their deaths?
There are people who play games to have fun, and there are people who play games to win. Some people want to "win" eve by playing as heartless thieves, scammers, or pirates to gain prestige, isk, killmails, etc. You have no right to attack their RL personalities over it - not any different to how you wouldn't insult someone for sacrificing chess pieces.
Originally by: Demolishar
Originally by: Roosterton If I learned that the person I've just been stationcamping is having IRL suicidal thoughts, I'd stop right away.
Awww rooster, I thought you were cool
No brah, I don't have the k/d efficiency to be cool yet. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
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Astenion
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.05.08 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: Astenion on 08/05/2011 16:56:18
Originally by: Roosterton Edited by: Roosterton on 08/05/2011 16:43:08
Originally by: Astenion Edited by: Astenion on 08/05/2011 16:32:04 Whether or not ships are meant to be blown up or whether or not you do or don't get p!ssed off because of it is beside the point.
If you enjoy p!ssing people off in a game, then that means you enjoy doing it in real life; just because you rarely get the chance to due to your being a shy or passive person doesn't change that fact. That's like saying you don't wanna f*ck someone you're jerking off to just because it's p*rn. Whether you would IRL due to your current situation is completely beside the point...you cannot control how you feel, only what you do. If outwardly you're a shy recluse but inside you're a raging assh0le, then you're still a raging assh0le...you just don't show it.
That's what role-playing is...a fantasy. It's something you personally would like to do but all you have to do it with is your imagination, or in this case, a video game. It's up to the victim to decide whether or not to be angry about it. The only reason you don't care about it is because normal, well-adjusted human beings can RATIONALIZE that it's not that big of a deal, that it's only a game.
People who fail to see how being an assh0le online still counts as being an assh0le are just as delusional as people who fail to see that it's only a game and in the grand scheme of things not really important at all.
So I take it, then, that you wouldn't sacrifice a pawn to kill a queen in a game of Chess? Because that means you fantasize of being a heartless military commander perfectly willing to send troops knowingly to their deaths?
There are people who play games to have fun, and there are people who play games to win. Some people want to "win" eve by playing as heartless thieves, scammers, or pirates to gain prestige, isk, killmails, etc. You have no right to attack their RL personalities over it - not any different to how you wouldn't insult someone for sacrificing chess pieces.
No, no, you misunderstood. I'm not talking about people blowing other people up in Eve; hell, that's why we play it! I'm in FW and I kill everything that's not blue to me or with whom we have no agreement. I'm talking about REAL griefers. That said, I've only seen one case of griefing, and that was when an uber corporation repeatedly wardecced a noob upstart corp. That, imo, is griefing. There is nothing to be gained in this situation...it's like punching a baby in the face and then bragging about it.
This, imo, is what assh0les do. This is greifing...not stealing, not spying, not shooting unwary noobs in low sec, but station camping noob corps with battleships just "for the lolz".
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Roosterton
The 57th Overlanders
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Posted - 2011.05.08 17:10:00 -
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Quote:
No, no, you misunderstood. I'm not talking about people blowing other people up in Eve; hell, that's why we play it! I'm in FW and I kill everything that's not blue to me or with whom we have no agreement. I'm talking about REAL griefers. That said, I've only seen one case of griefing, and that was when an uber corporation repeatedly wardecced a noob upstart corp. That, imo, is griefing. There is nothing to be gained in this situation...it's like punching a baby in the face and then bragging about it.
This, imo, is what assh0les do. This is greifing...not stealing, not spying, not shooting unwary noobs in low sec, but station camping noob corps with battleships just "for the lolz".
I agree that they're *******s - in an in game sense. But the same way that in-game pirates are being in-game pirates for killmails/isk/fun, and wouldn't actually go about looting and killing in RL, those griefers who decced that noob corp felt that it would benefit them in some way, shape, or form, in game. Maybe the noob corp was running their mouths in local against the deccer corp, so the griefers wanted to get back at them. Maybe the noob corp showed that they have a reputation for bad fits and bad experience, so the griefers saw a way to get easy killmails. Whatever the case, that still doesn't make them bad people in real life - it just makes them people who want to "win," and since EVE is a sandbox with a very broad definition of "winning," they're free to use underhanded and unfair tactics in order to carry out their definition of "winning." -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three.
Originally by: Tarminic
OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?! |
Sofa Raddis
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Posted - 2011.05.08 17:21:00 -
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IRL i kick puppies and beggars cups for fun, holler sexual advances to preschoolers of both genders and perform abortions in my cellar while rolling spliffs with bible pages.
In game I do missions in high sec and mine. Helps me save up on boredom and frustration to be a even bigger **** the next day.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.08 17:37:00 -
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Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 08/05/2011 17:38:36 Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 08/05/2011 17:38:25 EVE is a game.
It is based on some sort of hyper capitalism, a system that at is core thirves on selfish behaviour. The most greedy and ruthless win in EVE.
So what do folks expect? All these "analysis" of "griefers" are just pathetic tbh. I have spent enough time on voice chats with "griefers" to see that they are just playing a game and having fun. They do not take it at all serious. Its the "carebears" that put too much into EVE and has to vent their anger at someone for destroying their game items. I have gotten a fair share of hate mail as well when I blow up random ships, highlighting more serious issues the "griefing". You would be supprised how many racists play EVE. Not to mention the threats to find me IRL and get me... Yeah, the griefers are the bad ones :P
Some advice: get your **** together and start treating EVE for what it is, a game. Are you a bad person for cheating your dear old grandma from all her money in a game of monopoly? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |
Skydell
Caldari Morrigna Order
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Posted - 2011.05.08 17:45:00 -
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I'm a goody two shoes, bible thumper in EVE.
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Hesperius
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Posted - 2011.05.08 17:47:00 -
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This discussion came up elsewhere. The simplest way to illustrate the articles flaw:
You don't jump into a boxing ring and call the other guy a psychopath, suggest he gets therapy, and try to press charges for punching you.
Some people seem to think Eve is a cute inflatable play park, like most other MMOs are. If you think that, then you probably think you are being griefed. If you realize you are in a rusty steel cage with razor wire & toxic fumes being pumped in, you wont be so confused on the issue.
Eve is one of the few games in existence that I can think of that is almost entirely grief-proof. If you manage to successfully grief someone in this rusty steel cage with razor wire & toxic fumes game, then you probably should seek help.
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Sofa Raddis
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Posted - 2011.05.08 17:47:00 -
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Edited by: Sofa Raddis on 08/05/2011 17:51:10
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Are you a bad person for cheating your dear old grandma from all her money in a game of monopoly?
Exactly.
Making negative assumptions about people you've never met over a game tells me you're not mature enough to participate.
I don't even inconvenience people irl or in games, I'm a total softie, even I find this kind of speculation about people ******* pathetic. The only redemtion is to claim it is trolling.
Lets do an analysis of the whiner shall we? Meh........
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Zeus Fatale
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Posted - 2011.05.08 17:55:00 -
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Sociopath's get bored, griefing feeds\fuels the disease drive for entertainment at the expense of someone else. They can't get away with it in real life (as easily) so certainly having Eve as a conduit is a perfect outlet for sociopath behavior.
They generally didn't set out to grief in Eve at the start, but early on they found that being anonymous is a gift that their personality disorder can't resist.
The one common skill they all will share is the ability\gift at lieing and deceit. Pulling off a grief using a scam or lie is the number one desired payoff. Being anonymous simply means they will never have to answer or own up IRL, a perfect environment.
Once in awhile the Eve Sociopath (griefer)will disappear for long periods of time or unexpectedly vanish from a corps. No reason would be given or at least a reason that made little sense but once in awhile they become emotionally guilty for their behavior and withdraw and hide.
When they come back its as if nothing happened "Do over" and any question about their mysterious absence is ignored or shrugged off, its simply (game on) at this point griefing as usual.
Seeing this thread and posting negative about the article is simple self defense and expected behavior from a sociopath or business as usual.
Be happy that a virtual world is where they enact the behavior and hope its the only necessary outlet.
One more example to look for a griefer\sociopath. -If ever questioned about their behavior by a corps mate all hell will break loose and someone is going to get destroyed even if it means turning on a corps and starting a revolution. Enjoy your game.
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