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Nicoletta Mithra
Amarr Ordo Novus Mul-Zatah
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Posted - 2011.05.21 11:23:00 -
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If I may add to that, Paladin Farel:
The Amarrian religion (and faith) never singled out a whole race of people for indefinite slavery. Claiming this is simply being ignorant to the facts (or willfully misrepresentation of them). The Amarrian religious dogma has been misused to justify the enslavement of entire races, but after all it's been a misuse and has no firm fundament in Amarrian faith and religion. Read the Scriptures.
Also, no one familiar with the Amarrian faith would claim that the Emperor or Empress is infallible. One word suffices to elucidate on that point: Tetrimon.
Cpt. Engel, you should first familiarize yourself with the topic you want to speak about before opening your mouth. _
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GoGo Yubari
Veto.
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Posted - 2011.05.21 14:31:00 -
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There exist innumerable ways to lose one's freedom in our world. People are bound by bonds of addiction, duty, law, warp disruptors and yes, slavery.
There was a time when I saw that as a reason to scoff at those violently opposed to the practice of slavery. When I stayed among the Blood Raiders at Oyonata, they always said that a slave unable to escape her own fate is undeserving of that freedom.
I could see the Amarrian point of view, too. If their lives will be wasted on frivolity either way, why not enslave them and put them to work on what looks like providence with the gift of freedom after generations of hard labor? You can see how the Sani Sabik really are an Amarrian thing.
While I can accept all those viewpoints as having kernels of truth, these days I personally see no reason to weigh so heavy upon others as to unnecessarily deny them a chance at freedom - even if it will in the end most likelihood be wasted in some other form of bondage.
Why let them labor for generations if the divine is within reach for all of us right now? Denying that possibility has led the Empire into becoming a bloated hierarchy ruled by politicians claiming to do God's work in an effort to preserve their own stranglehold on the Empire.
The slaves don't build temples for God. They build palaces for Man.
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Dilaro thagriin
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Posted - 2011.05.22 16:10:00 -
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Our attitude towards slavery... simple.
You want to enslave and subjugate your own people? fine, go ahead. It's not our concern.
You want to enslave, the Matari? We have a problem.
is this difficult to understand?
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Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.05.22 17:43:00 -
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Why would that be difficult ? |
Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.05.22 19:04:00 -
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Predictable old sophists trying to act as if there's no difference between 'slavery' to a concept or ideology and, y'know, actually being the property of another person.
Pathetic. Transparent. Morally and intellectually bankrupt. But hey, it's GalNet.
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Raze Valadeus
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.05.23 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Rorin Cutter Actually in my opinion slavery needs to be universal to all races and not just the Minmater. Slavery is after all just a tool to bring a group of people together and educate them about God in the most expedient manner. In the end and after all arguments are finished we are all slaves to God.
"I give to you the destiny of Faith, And you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 22:13
Is very very clear on the subject.
-Rorin Cutter
Nowhere in that passage or any other passage of sacred scripture will you see justification for slavery. The words used in that passage are conquer and reclaim.
The real question becomes to what extent is "conquer" metaphysical, relating to the souls and minds of men and women and to what extent is it physical, relating to territories and lands? You honestly thing God cares about how much territory we hold? He has a kingdom, which is referred to several times in scripture, which is not in this physical realm - why then would he care about how much territory we've conquered?
As for reclaiming the souls and minds of men, slavery does neither. You can proselytize, preach and teach without subjecting someone to hard labor and forced submission.
Every human has a choice: to accept or deny the truth of God. To remove that choice from them and subject them to slavery does nothing for God, it only feeds our own needs of supremacy, selfishness and sloth.
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Sinjin Mokk
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.05.23 12:11:00 -
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Arguably:
"None shall stand higher than you save the Sefrim, Who serve Me as others shall serve you, For all things under Me serve one higher; So Amarr shall rule the worlds of the Heavens.
As Garrulor rules the skies; as Frisceas rules the sea; As Emperor rules Holder; as Holder rules Serf; Yet all under Heaven serve Me; So shall Amarr rule the worlds of the Heavens. - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 3.19 - 3.21
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Raze Valadeus
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.05.23 12:25:00 -
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Edited by: Raze Valadeus on 23/05/2011 12:26:16
Originally by: Sinjin Mokk Arguably:
"None shall stand higher than you save the Sefrim, Who serve Me as others shall serve you, For all things under Me serve one higher; So Amarr shall rule the worlds of the Heavens.
This passage clearly speaks of the order of the Heavens, not the order of the physical realm in which we live.
Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
As Garrulor rules the skies; as Frisceas rules the sea; As Emperor rules Holder; as Holder rules Serf; Yet all under Heaven serve Me; So shall Amarr rule the worlds of the Heavens. - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 3.19 - 3.21
Again, the passage speaks of the rule of the Heavens, a predetermined order by which God organizes the kingdom of the Heavens.
If you wish to take the argument that "the worlds of the Heavens" refers to the planets in the multiverse, then my argument to you is a simple one: The diction here indicates a relationship of servant to ruler not slave to master.
There is a significant difference between serving a ruler, still maintaining freedom of choices and will so long as you do not seek to usurp, undermine or otherwise destroy the foundations of your ruler; and being subject to an entity with absolute authority over your every action and word.
Compare the relationship of Amarrian citizens to the throne. We are free to live our lives, make decisions, work in the field of our choice, pursue our own interests, develop our own wealth and family and serve in whatever capacity we desire so long as we do not oppose the throne or rebel. (Which is a similar relationship to just about every government and its citizens).
Slaves have none of the above mentioned freedoms. They are told to work in whatever field or way their master directs them. They are not free to amass wealth and influence, they can not pursue their own interests apart from the interests of their master.
The passage you have quoted alludes to a servant/ruler relationship akin to the previous illustration more than it alludes to a slave/master relationship.
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Sinjin Mokk
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Vanguard Imperium
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Posted - 2011.05.23 13:29:00 -
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Brother Raze,
I freely admit that IÆm not a theologian, so this topic would be better answered by one more qualified than I. Still, IÆll try to show where IÆm coming from by quoting this particular scripture.
The first passage is included to reflect what follows. It does show the Order of the Heavens.
The second part though seems to show a clear case of ôAs above, so below.ö There is a distinct caste system where all serve the next person up the line and so on until God. Thus we are all slaves to His divine will.
I have to admit that your view of our personal freedoms seems a littleàwell, liberal. We Holders do have a certain amount of personal liberty, but we also have a great deal of duty and responsibility to those above us and those beneath us. To say that weÆre free to do what we want short of rebellion is a rather broad statement.
You say that slaves donÆt have the same ôfreedoms.ö If you take a myopic view of one individual life, it may seem so. But we are not a band of individuals all pulling in different directions under the illusion of freewill. All who serve the Empire pull in the same direction. Thus the slave and the holder are equal in their service to God and Empire. Each does the best of his ability according to the role that God has given them.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.23 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Raze Valadeus
As for reclaiming the souls and minds of men, slavery does neither. You can proselytize, preach and teach without subjecting someone to hard labor and forced submission.
On the contrary, slavery was responsible for reclaiming the souls and minds of billions of Udorians, Ni-Kunni and others.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Raze Valadeus
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.05.23 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: Raze Valadeus on 23/05/2011 15:25:42 Service to God and Empire are choices we make and paths we follow with our will, those who chose not to are treated as opponents to both.
There are many cases in which slaves are not even given that fundamental choice. Need I mention such things as Vitoc?
I will not go so far as to say that slavery can not be used in a constructive or educational way, as it clearly can be. What I am stating is that there are alternative ways to accomplish the goal of reclaiming and educating the masses and they do not involve forced submission or mind control.
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Raze Valadeus
As for reclaiming the souls and minds of men, slavery does neither. You can proselytize, preach and teach without subjecting someone to hard labor and forced submission.
On the contrary, slavery was responsible for reclaiming the souls and minds of billions of Udorians, Ni-Kunni and others.
No, the message being taught to them while they were slaves is what is responsible for reclaiming their minds and souls. The slavery, in and of itself, did nothing but teach discipline and servitude - at best.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.23 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Raze Valadeus
Quote:
On the contrary, slavery was responsible for reclaiming the souls and minds of billions of Udorians, Ni-Kunni and others.
No, the message being taught to them while they were slaves is what is responsible for reclaiming their minds and souls. The slavery, in and of itself, did nothing but teach discipline and servitude - at best.
Education is an integral part of slavery.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Raze Valadeus
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.05.23 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: Raze Valadeus on 23/05/2011 15:52:55
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Raze Valadeus
Quote:
On the contrary, slavery was responsible for reclaiming the souls and minds of billions of Udorians, Ni-Kunni and others.
No, the message being taught to them while they were slaves is what is responsible for reclaiming their minds and souls. The slavery, in and of itself, did nothing but teach discipline and servitude - at best.
Education is an integral part of slavery.
We can agree that in its original incorporation into practice, yes - it was. However, I trust we can also agree that such has not been solidly the case throughout its practice or in recent years.
I pray we can also agree that slavery through mind control and poisoning does not serve this purpose and should be abolished.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.05.23 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Raze Valadeus
Quote:
On the contrary, slavery was responsible for reclaiming the souls and minds of billions of Udorians, Ni-Kunni and others.
No, the message being taught to them while they were slaves is what is responsible for reclaiming their minds and souls. The slavery, in and of itself, did nothing but teach discipline and servitude - at best.
Education is an integral part of slavery.
Is slavery an integral part of education? No. But of course when you say 'education' you mean 'brainwashing'.
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Velna Sevesto
Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.05.23 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: Velna Sevesto on 23/05/2011 16:46:42 Edited by: Velna Sevesto on 23/05/2011 16:41:10 I believe that I can speak personally on this matter.
I myself was born into slavery. I was sent to a mining colony once I was old enough to take orders. I started off cleaning up after the foreman, preparing the chapel for service and if I was good they would let me walk around with the collection plate. I didn't care, I was happy to do a good job and they were nice to me.
As I got older though they started to care for me less before I knew it, I was another one of the disposable commodities they could use for dangerous manual labor. I wondered if I did something wrong? I just got older, they told me I was in the service of the Empire and I should be honored and soon I shall have my reward which I assume was vitoc.
I still have nightmares every now and then being stuck in an environmental suit a few sizes too large for me waiting for a rescue that might not come and seeing the flashing of the mining charge inches away from my helmet.
I gained my freedom through an attack on the colony by Blood Raiders and a passing Gallente miner who found me among the wreckage still in my EV suit.
Looking back, I hated what they did to me. Seeing people I grew up with forced to take vitoc and lose the fire in their eyes. People who assured me that one day we would escape, now kissing the boots of their oppressors. I hate that I almost became that..
But still enough at that time I didn't know what to think, this was my life, I knew nothing of freedom, liberty or what it truly meant to be Minmatar. Ignorance is bliss as they say.
The Cartel is a growing problem and we fight them on a daily basis. Though some members of our government are more keen to not stir the pot; thankfully the majority of us see the cartel for what they truly are. Every victory against them is a step closer but fighting a war on two fronts is financially exhausting I will agree.
Though slavery is a primary issue of the people we must first look after those who are already a part of the Republic and make sure their needs are met before we can address the needs of others. Lest we spread our pilots and resources so thin that we invite defeat.
This is was a rather long winded explanation. The short version. My views on slavery are this: those who are still slaves do not know what freedom is and they are so drugged up they don't care for it. If I have anything to say the practice will be stopped. My people will be free.
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Maria Crases
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Posted - 2011.05.23 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Velna Sevesto Edited by: Velna Sevesto on 23/05/2011 16:46:42 Edited by: Velna Sevesto on 23/05/2011 16:41:10 I believe that I can speak personally on this matter.
I myself was born into slavery. I was sent to a mining colony once I was old enough to take orders. I started off cleaning up after the foreman, preparing the chapel for service and if I was good they would let me walk around with the collection plate. I didn't care, I was happy to do a good job and they were nice to me.
As I got older though they started to care for me less before I knew it, I was another one of the disposable commodities they could use for dangerous manual labor. I wondered if I did something wrong? I just got older, they told me I was in the service of the Empire and I should be honored and soon I shall have my reward which I assume was vitoc.
I still have nightmares every now and then being stuck in an environmental suit a few sizes too large for me waiting for a rescue that might not come and seeing the flashing of the mining charge inches away from my helmet.
I gained my freedom through an attack on the colony by Blood Raiders and a passing Gallente miner who found me among the wreckage still in my EV suit.
Looking back, I hated what they did to me. Seeing people I grew up with forced to take vitoc and lose the fire in their eyes. People who assured me that one day we would escape, now kissing the boots of their oppressors. I hate that I almost became that..
But still enough at that time I didn't know what to think, this was my life, I knew nothing of freedom, liberty or what it truly meant to be Minmatar. Ignorance is bliss as they say.
The Cartel is a growing problem and we fight them on a daily basis. Though some members of our government are more keen to not stir the pot; thankfully the majority of us see the cartel for what they truly are. Every victory against them is a step closer but fighting a war on two fronts is financially exhausting I will agree.
Though slavery is a primary issue of the people we must first look after those who are already a part of the Republic and make sure their needs are met before we can address the needs of others. Lest we spread our pilots and resources so thin that we invite defeat.
This is was a rather long winded explanation. The short version. My views on slavery are this: those who are still slaves do not know what freedom is and they are so drugged up they don't care for it. If I have anything to say the practice will be stopped. My people will be free.
My experiance was differant.
My holder was a guide both to God and a life. I was tuaght to read how to write. He taught me history, logic and math.
During my time as a slave after my duties and studies were complete I was granted the right to seek differant forms of entertainment. I took up singing for a while, some music too.
So what do we draw from thses two cases?
That all slavery is bad or that holder need to be held accountable?
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Raze Valadeus
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.05.23 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Maria Crases
My experiance was differant.
My holder was a guide both to God and a life. I was tuaght to read how to write. He taught me history, logic and math.
During my time as a slave after my duties and studies were complete I was granted the right to seek differant forms of entertainment. I took up singing for a while, some music too.
So what do we draw from thses two cases?
That all slavery is bad or that holder need to be held accountable?
There are laws in place within the Empire that govern the treatment of slaves and punish the mistreatment of them.
A good starting place would be to have those laws actually enforced.
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Velna Sevesto
Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.05.23 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Maria Crases
My experiance was differant.
My holder was a guide both to God and a life. I was tuaght to read how to write. He taught me history, logic and math.
During my time as a slave after my duties and studies were complete I was granted the right to seek differant forms of entertainment. I took up singing for a while, some music too.
So what do we draw from thses two cases?
That all slavery is bad or that holder need to be held accountable?
I believe that depends on whether or not you think you would have gotten into those interests if you were not a slave. Going to school and learning the history of your people, your culture, songs, writings ect... Or being allowed too by your holder.
I am curious though. You say he taught you history; what kind of history and through whose eyes? While I'm happy for you that your experience was not as...scarring I would still call into question his motives.
I am also curious how you gained your freedom too if I may ask?
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.23 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Raze Valadeus Edited by: Raze Valadeus on 23/05/2011 15:52:55
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Raze Valadeus
Quote:
On the contrary, slavery was responsible for reclaiming the souls and minds of billions of Udorians, Ni-Kunni and others.
No, the message being taught to them while they were slaves is what is responsible for reclaiming their minds and souls. The slavery, in and of itself, did nothing but teach discipline and servitude - at best.
Education is an integral part of slavery.
We can agree that in its original incorporation into practice, yes - it was. However, I trust we can also agree that such has not been solidly the case throughout its practice or in recent years.
I pray we can also agree that slavery through mind control and poisoning does not serve this purpose and should be abolished.
If you are aware of any slaves who have been mistreated, then I suggest you contact the SPCS with the details.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Velna Sevesto
Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.05.23 17:42:00 -
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Edited by: Velna Sevesto on 23/05/2011 17:47:13
Originally by: Rodj Blake
If you are aware of any slaves who have been mistreated, then I suggest you contact the SPCS with the details.
At what point can we draw a clear line where all parties can agree what is and is not cruel though? What we see as barbaric and uncivilized beatings/punishment you prefer to call it "discipline"
What we call heartless brainwashing and indoctrination you call "obedience"
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Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.05.23 18:22:00 -
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At last, we come to the interpretation of the Book of Reclaiming, along with the debatable and totally null result coming out from the orthodox slavery, and the non null and more rewarding liberal Reclaiming.
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Raze Valadeus
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.05.23 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Lyn Farel At last, we come to the interpretation of the Book of Reclaiming, along with the debatable and totally null result coming out from the orthodox slavery, and the non null and more rewarding liberal Reclaiming.
Could not agree more.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.05.23 20:03:00 -
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This thread is an excellent read for those interested in Amarrian attitudes toward slavery.
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Velna Sevesto
Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.05.23 20:42:00 -
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Edited by: Velna Sevesto on 23/05/2011 20:42:23 Alright let me ask a question then.
How has the Amarrian perspective of slavery changed before and after the Minmatar rebellion? And what changes have been made to the practice of it now?
I know this is a very open broad topic that we could write a book on so let's keep it to the major changes.
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Raze Valadeus
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.05.23 21:37:00 -
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As a whole, very little has officially changed aside from the Empress freeing an entire generation of Matari.
However, there are a great many within the Empire that seek reform regarding the practice of slavery as well a number of other political and social reforms. You will hear these people most often referred to as "liberals" within the Empire.
There are various levels of those seeking change as well. Some want the total abolishment of slavery, some seek to refine the way it is instituted, some believe there should be no change and so on.
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Velna Sevesto
Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.05.23 21:43:00 -
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The one thing that you can not deny is how much progress the Matari have made in the century since the rebellion. Imagine if instead of forcing labor you encouraged it through government run programs or other such incentives where you earned your keep rather than forcing it upon us.
I know this is turning into an ethical debate on slavery now but for a moment just think of what our peoples could (could have) accomplish if we worked together.
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Nausea
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.05.23 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Velna Sevesto
How has the Amarrian perspective of slavery changed before and after the Minmatar rebellion? And what changes have been made to the practice of it now?
Tighter leashes and harsher punnishments?
Yes, I know, cheap shot, but it was a touch irresistable at this point...
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Acerba Agikor
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.05.23 22:39:00 -
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I fail to understand why you people are debating the meaning behind the Book of Reclaiming. The meaning of the holy text is quite clear. The Amarr, being God's chosen people, are vassals of the Lord and the universe is their fiefdom. If other nations will not willingly accept Amarrian rule, then submission will be obtained through force. In doing this, the Amarr are also tasked with the conversion of those who serve under them.
However, I feel that the best advocacy for slavery is found in the Book of Missions. "To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin." 13:21. Then there is 42:5, "Only through many hardships is a man stripped to his very foundations and, in such a state devoid of distractions, is his soul free to soar and in this he is closest to God." Through slavery, the Amarrian owner prevents the slave from committing the sin of failing to follow the true path though they know of it, and the state of being enslaved allows the individual to come to know the Lord without the distracting influences that would otherwise lead the man to damnation.
Slavery is a means by which the heathens may be stripped of their barbarous practices and beliefs. It kills their wicked heritage while allowing them the opportunity to observe how one of the Lord's chosen conducts himself. Slavery is a practice akin to spiritual training wheels. It is unfortunate that some slave owning Amarr seem to have forgotten their spiritual role. Too many slave owners forget that they are to nurture the souls of their slaves, or greedily grant freedom to elderly slaves as a false display of mercy when it is nothing more than a way to cut operating costs. I feel God allowed the Minmatar to escape their bondage so that the Amarr would more closely examine the way they treat their slaves, so that they might remember how to properly conduct themselves. Once the Amarr again treat their slaves righteously, they will be armed with the faith necessary to once again subjugate the Minmatar.
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Velna Sevesto
Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.05.23 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nausea
Originally by: Velna Sevesto
How has the Amarrian perspective of slavery changed before and after the Minmatar rebellion? And what changes have been made to the practice of it now?
Tighter leashes and harsher punnishments?
Yes, I know, cheap shot, but it was a touch irresistable at this point...
I'll let that slide.
But in all seriousness...I can never forget what was done to me, what I saw and what I continue to see. My people are suffering on a daily basis and a blind eye is turned to them.
But if the opportunity ever comes within my lifetime to forgive; after this practice has been abolished and replaced with something in which all parties involved can find a common ground and a peace is established...I would greatly welcome it.
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Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.05.23 23:43:00 -
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Edited by: Lyn Farel on 23/05/2011 23:44:27
Originally by: Acerba Agikor I fail to understand why you people are debating the meaning behind the Book of Reclaiming. The meaning of the holy text is quite clear. The Amarr, being God's chosen people, are vassals of the Lord and the universe is their fiefdom. If other nations will not willingly accept Amarrian rule, then submission will be obtained through force. In doing this, the Amarr are also tasked with the conversion of those who serve under them.
However, I feel that the best advocacy for slavery is found in the Book of Missions. "To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin." 13:21. Then there is 42:5, "Only through many hardships is a man stripped to his very foundations and, in such a state devoid of distractions, is his soul free to soar and in this he is closest to God." Through slavery, the Amarrian owner prevents the slave from committing the sin of failing to follow the true path though they know of it, and the state of being enslaved allows the individual to come to know the Lord without the distracting influences that would otherwise lead the man to damnation.
Slavery is a means by which the heathens may be stripped of their barbarous practices and beliefs. It kills their wicked heritage while allowing them the opportunity to observe how one of the Lord's chosen conducts himself. Slavery is a practice akin to spiritual training wheels. It is unfortunate that some slave owning Amarr seem to have forgotten their spiritual role. Too many slave owners forget that they are to nurture the souls of their slaves, or greedily grant freedom to elderly slaves as a false display of mercy when it is nothing more than a way to cut operating costs. I feel God allowed the Minmatar to escape their bondage so that the Amarr would more closely examine the way they treat their slaves, so that they might remember how to properly conduct themselves. Once the Amarr again treat their slaves righteously, they will be armed with the faith necessary to once again subjugate the Minmatar.
A quite good summary of the orthodox Reclaiming.
Originally by: Velna Sevesto Edited by: Velna Sevesto on 23/05/2011 20:42:23 Alright let me ask a question then.
How has the Amarrian perspective of slavery changed before and after the Minmatar rebellion? And what changes have been made to the practice of it now?
I know this is a very open broad topic that we could write a book on so let's keep it to the major changes.
It has changed a lot. Since the defeat against the Jove a series of events were triggered and the whole amarrian faith "crumbled" as people eventually reminded that they were not flawless and that their path to enlightment was not to be taken for granted. These were the first sparks that brought us to what we are now.
Not far from the end of his life, Emperor Heideran Kador VII - the same Emperor that was on the throne during the Days of Darkness - issued 2 things :
- The writing of the Pax Amarria, dedicated to peace and improved relationships between all the empires.
- A decree saying that no slave had to be mistreated, knowing that Holders had no regulations concerning their slaves before, and that was the first stone to the current slave regulations that are still in place. It also said that enslaving people of other empires without the consent of the Imperial Throne was highly illegal.
Greatly depending on the regions, the holders, and the insufficiencies of concrete definitions of "mistreatement", slavery actually responding to current regulation to the letter can very dramatically. |
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