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WisdomPanda
Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:27:00 -
[991]
Edited by: WisdomPanda on 11/05/2011 00:28:14
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Feyleaf
Originally by: Balthamel Eval'Raman Still waiting for one good reason why this isn't being deployed in the winter package.
I'm not at all convinced anything would be different. I understand the wish for 0.0 improvements, but this change would still have as polarizing down the road as it is today. The fact is that a lot of people are concerned with their space being less secure, and having to travel a bit further. Those concerns will still exist this winter when we launch the improvements. Anyway, I'm going to bed. I'll try and get some more answers in tomorrow.
Try not to take any of this personally, but you have to understand how utterly silly this seems.
There is no logical reason not to wait, you even just said as much, which should also prove our point; it would be better launched with other features to support this change. It would be so much better to get this as a package, to be ready for and be able to prepare. As opposed to getting it suddenly and dubiously dropped on our heads out of no where.
What worries me the most, above anything else, is that you are doing this as a knee jerk reaction (backed up by the time frame you've displayed) instead of thinking this through fully and resolving that it should come with other changes to make it a fully rounded package.
We all want nullsec changes, even if it means it being less secure (although how much will be of some debate, imo this will be far more annoying than it is less secure), but dropping changes on your subscription base with a weeks notice is bad, on so many levels. Hell, do this with some real, quality changes (scap/moon rebalance/stuff) and you'll probably have most of nullsec giving you a NC style BFF orgy.
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Lruce Bee
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:27:00 -
[992]
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Feyleaf
Originally by: Balthamel Eval'Raman Still waiting for one good reason why this isn't being deployed in the winter package.
I'm not at all convinced anything would be different. I understand the wish for 0.0 improvements, but this change would still have as polarizing down the road as it is today. The fact is that a lot of people are concerned with their space being less secure, and having to travel a bit further. Those concerns will still exist this winter when we launch the improvements. Anyway, I'm going to bed. I'll try and get some more answers in tomorrow.
I CALL BULLS***. the problem is the 7 day notice and not the nerf as such. Im sure you knew this? still waiting for Feyleaf's question to be adressed!
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:28:00 -
[993]
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Feyleaf
Originally by: Balthamel Eval'Raman Still waiting for one good reason why this isn't being deployed in the winter package.
I'm not at all convinced anything would be different. I understand the wish for 0.0 improvements, but this change would still have as polarizing down the road as it is today. The fact is that a lot of people are concerned with their space being less secure, and having to travel a bit further. Those concerns will still exist this winter when we launch the improvements. Anyway, I'm going to bed. I'll try and get some more answers in tomorrow.
If you anticipate the player reaction being the same even if a jumpbridge nerf was sweetened with quality of life increases (doubtful), and you agree that the entire of 0.0 needs a rethink why push this change at all? Was it really so urgent?
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Phigmeta
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:28:00 -
[994]
Originally by: Bloodhands
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
I do have a real question about the timing of the changes. Are you, CCP Soundwave, or any of your colleagues in CCP currently, or in the foreseeable future in the pocket of any of the power players in the Eve Online political landscape? The extremely sudden change to take place 7 days after the arguably most difficult region in Eve to take is besieged seems suspect. The change of no capitals being able to jump threw bridges being introduced now of all times makes it seem that CCP is specifically attempting to interfere with a war for sovereignty.
If you are planing on introducing a massive game changing feature, isn't it normally more common to give 30+ day notice to avoid being seen to have a hand in the political pie as it were? Especially when it is part of a series changes where the rest scheduled to possibly be released for another 3 years?
Quote: ... WeÆre currently looking into a long term plan for 0.0. I say long term, not because itÆs planned for 2014...
If this is not a politically or monetarily driven change, what would be the harm in pushing back the release date of Phase One until say 13 June, 2011 (34 days) and Phase Two until four weeks after?
That is the key right there .... ya got to wonder if they get paid enough or has the lure of RMT provided payouts just to much for them to turn away.
ANd as if the timing could not be more perfect and NCdot failure points out EXACTLY why CCP wants to do this ... and why so sudden.
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Vaju Katru
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:29:00 -
[995]
Originally by: Yeep
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Feyleaf
Originally by: Balthamel Eval'Raman Still waiting for one good reason why this isn't being deployed in the winter package.
I'm not at all convinced anything would be different. I understand the wish for 0.0 improvements, but this change would still have as polarizing down the road as it is today. The fact is that a lot of people are concerned with their space being less secure, and having to travel a bit further. Those concerns will still exist this winter when we launch the improvements. Anyway, I'm going to bed. I'll try and get some more answers in tomorrow.
If you anticipate the player reaction being the same even if a jumpbridge nerf was sweetened with quality of life increases (doubtful), and you agree that the entire of 0.0 needs a rethink why push this change at all? Was it really so urgent?
Yes, its urgent, nullsec is safer then highsec.
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Miso Hawnee
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:30:00 -
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Guys, Just accept that eve is dead. Welcome the new expansion: Eve Galaxies.
All that will be left on the server is butthurt SC blobs and bots. Let them have it, battlefield 3 comes out soon and should be superior to this cluster **** of a game in every way.
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reccos
Multiplex Gaming
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:31:00 -
[997]
Originally by: Lord's Servant
1. Industrialists and carebears only belong in 0.0 as renters(duh). Renters should rent from a solid pvp alliance, who should be able to protect them should any major issues come up. This is both a boost to small gang pvp, and a minor nerf to cynojammers/turtling. Nothing more, nothing less.
Who really wants to pay for these crappy systems now with the last nerf?? Isnt that why the russian alliances lost like 30 alliances of renters? Because the systems became poo?
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StuRyan
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:31:00 -
[998]
HMMMM IM STILL THINKING CYNO GEN?
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Vaju Katru
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:31:00 -
[999]
Originally by: Miso Hawnee Guys, Just accept that eve is dead. Welcome the new expansion: Eve Galaxies.
All that will be left on the server is butthurt SC blobs and bots. Let them have it, battlefield 3 comes out soon and should be superior to this cluster **** of a game in every way.
Cry more carebear. EvE more alive then ever, this change prove it.
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Giselle Garner
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:31:00 -
[1000]
Originally by: Vaju Katru
Originally by: Jonathan Malcom
(...) Null-sec, from what I understand (and I would love to be proven wrong, if I am) is not supposed to be dangerous, necessarily. It's supposed to be conquered. It is whatever the players that own it choose for it to be. (...)
This is so wrong!.!.!.! Nullsec is a big war zone, with no rules, not boring carebear safeheavens.
This is the main problem, carebears think nullsec should be like highsec, amayzing...
Some ppl thinks that null-sec should be risk vs. reward, so should be the biggest reward as they are biggest risk. Some ppl thinks that null-sec it's a constant fight. Some ppl get out of null-sec. Some ppl get in null-sec. The ppl that get out of null-sec have more money, but they don't need to buy anything. The ppl that get in null-sec wait for other people (maybe other ppl that live in null-sec) searching for a kill (or a lot of kills, not probable as the null-sec population goes down), but don't have a lot of money to buy "nice toys" in empire. The market goes down with all this stated above. The game die. I am the chief of all the Eve XD
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Lruce Bee
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:34:00 -
[1001]
Originally by: Jack Tronic
Originally by: Levarr Burton
As for 0.0 being "stale" and not having "enough PvP," I'm going to once again call bull****. The largest war in EVE's history is currently playing out between the DRF & associated groups and the NC/CF/BFFs. On top of that, billions of isk worth of ships are killed every week in nearly every inhabited nullsec region. Anyone who can't find PvP simply isn't trying.
The thing is, people are whining about no PvP because they can't find easy carebear/riskless ganks or 1v1s. They are trying to force their to be free kills and solo roaming when clearly people want to roam in gangs instead, people blob cause they want to fight and be done with it. But of course like religion, their view of PvP must be forced on everyone.
Eve is all about forcing you bs on others.. i just thing ccp should take a less active part in actual player driven bs.
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Cinosan
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:35:00 -
[1002]
That's it CCP. Screw up 0.0 logistics completely. Then you can wonder why a lot of players can't afford to buy ships to PVP in. Amazing.. But why listen to us? It's your game. Oh wait, we pay to play this don't we? Maybe if enough drop you'll wake up and fix the things that need fixing instead of inventing new ways to screw up the game.
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Lruce Bee
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:37:00 -
[1003]
1 cancelled account = 1 vote
most of us can live with only 2 accounts right?
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Miso Hawnee
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:37:00 -
[1004]
Originally by: Vaju Katru
Originally by: Miso Hawnee Guys, Just accept that eve is dead. Welcome the new expansion: Eve Galaxies.
All that will be left on the server is butthurt SC blobs and bots. Let them have it, battlefield 3 comes out soon and should be superior to this cluster **** of a game in every way.
Cry more carebear. EvE more alive then ever, this change prove it.
The only thing alive and well is the RMT trade. Tell me, who is going to buy all those supercaps on ebay when there aren't any humans left in eve?
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Zor Industries Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:39:00 -
[1005]
Edited by: Dodgy Past on 11/05/2011 00:39:48 There's a very solid vibe that people 'own space' but don't feel safe in it, otherwise they wouldn't be so upset by this change.
Simply put, if you can't police your space why do you think you deserve it?
Maybe you should start actively policing it, and not just putting up random gangs but put these gargantuan brains that dwarf the thuggish PvP'ers who could never design a jump bridge network to other uses. This is another part of the game and content that other people are creating, so make the most of it and enjoy it.
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Lruce Bee
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:40:00 -
[1006]
Originally by: Dodgy Past There's a very solid vibe that people 'own space' but don't feel safe in it, otherwise they wouldn't be so upset by this change.
Simply put, if you can't police your space why do you think you deserve it?
Maybe you should start actively policing it, and not just putting up random gangs but put these gargantuan brains that dwarf the thuggish PvP'ers who could never design a jump bridge network to other uses.
This is massive world changes with 7 days notice.. created not by the players, eve is getting too random for long term projects imo.
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Vaju Katru
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:40:00 -
[1007]
Originally by: Miso Hawnee
Originally by: Vaju Katru
Originally by: Miso Hawnee Guys, Just accept that eve is dead. Welcome the new expansion: Eve Galaxies.
All that will be left on the server is butthurt SC blobs and bots. Let them have it, battlefield 3 comes out soon and should be superior to this cluster **** of a game in every way.
Cry more carebear. EvE more alive then ever, this change prove it.
The only thing alive and well is the RMT trade. Tell me, who is going to buy all those supercaps on ebay when there aren't any humans left in eve?
You clearly have all the symptoms of a glue sniffer.
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Sandwich PvP
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:42:00 -
[1008]
Typical CCP, screw things up worse, rather than work on playability. It's not bad enough that any op requires hours to setup and execute, now you want to nerf JB's, and clearly have in mind further nerfs. Stop with the nerfing! Your going to nerf your game out of existance. Why not try something new, like a game enhancement...
Instead of "nerfing" try enhancing, adding more risk and more reward, rather than making it impossible for people to play. Like the JB Nerf. Try something different, make it susceptible to Black ops pilots...Black ops can bridge or jump to any Jump Bridge, neut/enemy included...give them a 30 sec window before the pos can lock them.... This allows Blackops to jump into your party, or simply use your network to move around, with the possibility of mayhem on either side, depending on what ships you have. This means you need serious scouting, and perhaps escorts thru some systems. This makes JB still useful, but not much safer than flying gate to gate.
I've already left 0.0 for the time being, due to the absurd time involved in any operation. I simply don't have that kind of time to spare.... If you continue to nerf 0.0 your going to drive every single semi-casual gamer out of the game, cause high-sec is too boring for any gamer to stand for long. Sort by what? |
Tango Zulu
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:43:00 -
[1009]
Originally by: CCP Soundwave I understand the wish for 0.0 improvements, but this change would still have as polarizing down the road as it is today. The fact is that a lot of people are concerned with their space being less secure, and having to travel a bit further. Those concerns will still exist this winter when we launch the improvements.
This comes off as "Improvements will come later, and this will be a problem later anyways, so we're going to make this a problem now, and deal with your concerns later. (when the improvements come in)"
Are you trying to release every bad idea you have early so when the winter comes around you can have an expansion with mostly good ideas to champion? It seems that you are trying to make it so rather than 85+% of the ideas getting rejected by 95% of the people they're targeted to, have the "actual" expansion be full of good ideas while making the game worse slowly over the yer until it, but pretending they aren't linked?
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Miso Hawnee
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:45:00 -
[1010]
Originally by: Vaju Katru
Originally by: Miso Hawnee
Originally by: Vaju Katru
Originally by: Miso Hawnee Guys, Just accept that eve is dead. Welcome the new expansion: Eve Galaxies.
All that will be left on the server is butthurt SC blobs and bots. Let them have it, battlefield 3 comes out soon and should be superior to this cluster **** of a game in every way.
Cry more carebear. EvE more alive then ever, this change prove it.
The only thing alive and well is the RMT trade. Tell me, who is going to buy all those supercaps on ebay when there aren't any humans left in eve?
You clearly have all the symptoms of a glue sniffer.
Elmer's White Baby
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shado20
EXTERMINATUS. Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:45:00 -
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Good job players, you have come together in unity and the use of Intel channels are grate. You inform each other very well and interact with fellow comrades too well, now we need to make it more impossible to live in 0.0 ...
1 jb per system-- WTF! small, med & large warp disruption bubbles sales are going to EXPLOAD! also, you now need 2x as many i-hubs with sov and 2x as many freighter runs with the JB upgrade to keep using the system you now have. 30k fuel bay in JB-- why, thereÆs not much need to use them as much anymore! if your smart. jumpdrive ships cant use JBs anymore-- o like that was a major big deal, now its even more impossible to defend your cyno jammed systems. and screw your home field advantage when defending your space.
as for your long term plans. Is 0.0 industry currently geared to support the population living there? -- no, with all the afk cloaky guys in the mining and industry spots, its impossible to work. Is the relationship between 0.0 and empire balanced well enough? -- no, remember risk vs reward! Does the current sovereignty system meet our goals? lol are you kidding me, if you like supper caps online, than yes Are there enough incentives for conflict/pvp outside sov? well now that you have made owning space less secure, you tell me! Are we happy with movement/player interaction? Your never happy.
whats next, you take away our intell channles.. lol
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Dro Nee
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:45:00 -
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Holy Crap this thread is total deja vu.... I SWEAR read this exact same thread circa 2007.
*0.0 logistics will be a total nightmare!!111*.check *CCP is ruining all the fun!!!111* ............check *The economy will totally crumble!!11* ........check *EVE is going to die!!!!111*...................check
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Gorion Wassenar
Caldari Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:45:00 -
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Love all the "THE SKY IS FALLING! AHHHHHHHHHH!" null bears tears. ----- *results may vary*
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Zor Industries Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:45:00 -
[1014]
Originally by: Lruce Bee
Originally by: Dodgy Past There's a very solid vibe that people 'own space' but don't feel safe in it, otherwise they wouldn't be so upset by this change.
Simply put, if you can't police your space why do you think you deserve it?
Maybe you should start actively policing it, and not just putting up random gangs but put these gargantuan brains that dwarf the thuggish PvP'ers who could never design a jump bridge network to other uses.
This is massive world changes with 7 days notice.. created not by the players, eve is getting too random for long term projects imo.
The new challenges you face aren't being created by the devs, they're created by players who want to kill you. Figure out how to stop them.
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Lruce Bee
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:46:00 -
[1015]
Originally by: Miso Hawnee
Originally by: Vaju Katru
Originally by: Miso Hawnee Guys, Just accept that eve is dead. Welcome the new expansion: Eve Galaxies.
All that will be left on the server is butthurt SC blobs and bots. Let them have it, battlefield 3 comes out soon and should be superior to this cluster **** of a game in every way.
Cry more carebear. EvE more alive then ever, this change prove it.
The only thing alive and well is the RMT trade. Tell me, who is going to buy all those supercaps on ebay when there aren't any humans left in eve?
This^ and this wont ever result in more pvp.. it will result in alot more ganking of relatively defenceless targets and alot of wait time for careful ppl.. I kinda like the ganking oppotunity part .. but 7 days.. seriously.. some ccp decision makers have an agenda
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Sieran
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:47:00 -
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When this is all over I'm sure CCP will pat themselves on the back for a job well done.
I can't stress how HORRIBLE the management of the game is. You're not managing it you're MEDDLING - KNOCK IT OFF! You are TOO INVOLVED in the player base. GET OUT. We pay for the game - you GET PAID. You're making changes like a n00b. Make them slow, but RIGHT.
YOUR thoughts on game direction. YOUR long-term goals for the game?
REALLY?!! I thought the whole goal here was so that people who PAY to play the game could set their OWN long term thoughts and goals. Now I don't know what the heck to do. What direction should I train? Where should I go? Nullsec? You gotta be KIDDING ME?! I know - let me go to 0.0 and do a ton of work with an alliance, set up sov, get things rolling and FOOMP! rug pulled out from under our feet. OK - fine. Go set up somewhere else in 0.0 and do it all again. Now things are rolling again and dang if the rug didn't up and friggin disappear again.
It's really starting to look like the end goal is to control lag by removing the gaming population....
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Miso Hawnee
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Dodgy Past
Originally by: Lruce Bee
Originally by: Dodgy Past There's a very solid vibe that people 'own space' but don't feel safe in it, otherwise they wouldn't be so upset by this change.
Simply put, if you can't police your space why do you think you deserve it?
Maybe you should start actively policing it, and not just putting up random gangs but put these gargantuan brains that dwarf the thuggish PvP'ers who could never design a jump bridge network to other uses.
This is massive world changes with 7 days notice.. created not by the players, eve is getting too random for long term projects imo.
The new challenges you face aren't being created by the devs, they're created by players who want to kill you. Figure out how to stop them.
I've been lobbying congress to stop unemployment checks but nothing has happened yet, how else am I supposed to fight PL?
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King Arillious
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:47:00 -
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Way to go CCP, lets just implement more nerfs. That'll for sure have the "desired effects" that you want..... lets make 0.0 as ****ty as we can. mission accomplished
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Lruce Bee
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:50:00 -
[1019]
Edited by: Lruce Bee on 11/05/2011 00:53:38
Originally by: Sieran When this is all over I'm sure CCP will pat themselves on the back for a job well done.
I can't stress how HORRIBLE the management of the game is. You're not managing it you're MEDDLING - KNOCK IT OFF! You are TOO INVOLVED in the player base. GET OUT. We pay for the game - you GET PAID. You're making changes like a n00b. Make them slow, but RIGHT.
YOUR thoughts on game direction. YOUR long-term goals for the game?
REALLY?!! I thought the whole goal here was so that people who PAY to play the game could set their OWN long term thoughts and goals. Now I don't know what the heck to do. What direction should I train? Where should I go? Nullsec? You gotta be KIDDING ME?! I know - let me go to 0.0 and do a ton of work with an alliance, set up sov, get things rolling and FOOMP! rug pulled out from under our feet. OK - fine. Go set up somewhere else in 0.0 and do it all again. Now things are rolling again and dang if the rug didn't up and friggin disappear again.
It's really starting to look like the end goal is to control lag by removing the gaming population....
almost feels like a wow expansion..lets shake it all up and have ppl start over. If one only had some hints or inside informattion about the next "shuffle" luckily ccp are very good at being objective and not having individual people make dumb things like telling some of their friends playing and stuff like that. I dont trust ccp with "randomness" and i dont trust them with with this.
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Vaju Katru
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:50:00 -
[1020]
Originally by: Lruce Bee
Originally by: Miso Hawnee
Originally by: Vaju Katru
Originally by: Miso Hawnee Guys, Just accept that eve is dead. Welcome the new expansion: Eve Galaxies.
All that will be left on the server is butthurt SC blobs and bots. Let them have it, battlefield 3 comes out soon and should be superior to this cluster **** of a game in every way.
Cry more carebear. EvE more alive then ever, this change prove it.
The only thing alive and well is the RMT trade. Tell me, who is going to buy all those supercaps on ebay when there aren't any humans left in eve?
This^ and this wont ever result in more pvp.. it will result in alot more ganking of relatively defenceless targets and alot of wait time for careful ppl.. I kinda like the ganking oppotunity part .. but 7 days.. seriously.. some ccp decision makers have an agenda
Do you know what a "antithesis" is?
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