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Tippia
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Posted - 2011.05.14 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Wolfric Draksmile Now I have a 17.5M Sp character that is not really effecient.
That's ok. You still have plenty of time to make it efficient.
As for respeccing, nah. That just removes planning and choice and encourages FOTM play. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Tippia
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Posted - 2011.05.14 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Fumbleface I wholeheartedly agree with you Wolfric and here's another thread on the subject with some pretty strong arguments for.
Deleting Skills
Really? The thread isn't about the same thing, and it doesn't really contain any arguments for what it is suggesting.
So yeahà no. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Tippia
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Posted - 2011.05.14 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Fumbleface Ummm..yeah, unfortunately your going to get a lot of trolls posting with completely worthless comments in regards to this topic and the ones that do put the effort forth, really seem to fall short of a convincing argument against.
They don't really have to put any effort into it since there's no real argument for ità
àand, of course, since that thread is about something drastically different than what the OP is talking about, had any arguments been presented, they wouldn't really have transferred to this topic anyway. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Tippia
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Posted - 2011.05.14 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Fumbleface Deleting unwanted skills or completely reseting a characters skill trees..I'd be happy with either one.
àand still there's no argument for either one.
Quote: So your point is useless, move on.
My point is that there's no argument for it presented in the thread you offered as a source of "some pretty strong arguments for [it]". ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Tippia
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Posted - 2011.05.14 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 14/05/2011 15:06:02
Originally by: Fumbleface No argument for either one? Really?
Yeah, ok. Fine. "It looks bad" is the argument for deleting skillsà it's a pretty silly argument. What problem does it solve? Why is it needed? What benefits are there from doing it?
Quote: I think that's a matter of opinion
No. Looking at that thread, it's pretty much a matter of fact. The thread in question most certainly does not hold up to your claim of containing "some pretty strong arguments for" the ability to delete skills (and it contains none for the ability to respec). ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Tippia
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Posted - 2011.05.14 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Wolfric Draksmile It is really frustrating to have useless skils, when you see the time you need to up in this game.
The thing is, in the end, they will just be a drop in the bucket and they will never really do any harm.
Quote: And perharps like me you would like to test new things in the game. The idea to train a new character for 6 months to see that in fact i do not like playing matar or indus is to me a bit harsh.
No need to make a new character. Just roll with what you've got. And if you want to just try something, start small ù nothing needs 6 months just to test and get a taste of it (unless you've fallen for the "must have lvl V" myth).
The stuff that requires 6 months will fall into one of two categories: either it's highly general stuff that you'll always find useful, or it will be a fair bit into specialisation territory. Either way, you're no longer talking about just testing stuff at that point. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Tippia
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Posted - 2011.05.14 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Fumbleface Ok..Tippia's alt! LOL.
àor maybe there are more who don't really support your idea (something your thread shows far more than it provides arguments strong for the idea).
Quote: "Not wanted by gamedesign" How the hell do you know this and where are the facts to support it?
Where are your arguments in support of the change? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Tippia
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Posted - 2011.05.14 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Fumbleface Hey..wait, what? Where are your arguments?
Not needed is what they are.¹ You're the one who wants to see a change ù you are the one who needs to argue for that change before any arguments against it are really required.
So, again: where are your arguments in support of the change? You've already promised us some strong ones, but not really deliveredà time to cough up.
¹ As for “where”à already presented. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Tippia
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Posted - 2011.05.14 16:34:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 14/05/2011 16:35:03
Originally by: Alara IonStorm EVERYONE STOP BEING TIPPIA'S ALTS NOW. IT IS TOTALLY NOT COOL!
Well hey, it's better than in the old days when I was everyone else's altà
àand when I could get my tags right in the first go. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Tippia
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Posted - 2011.05.14 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's Confirming that I too, am Tippia's alt.
You know, that would explain a lotà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Tippia
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Posted - 2011.05.14 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Fumbleface Perhaps a little work on social skills maybe?
Perhaps you should work on getting those arguments, maybe? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Tippia
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Posted - 2011.05.14 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Fumbleface Ok, I know your just trolling me but..
No, you hope and/or believe. Incorrectly, I might add.
Quote: do you really think that there is a point in even trying given the current situation in this thread?
Probably not, but that's a good lesson too: present your argument early, before you've made everyone ignore you, and maybe people will listenà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Tippia
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Posted - 2011.05.15 00:08:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 15/05/2011 00:08:58
Originally by: HeIIfire11 Didn't even get past this postà
àbefore you failed to read what what actually said.
Quote: and you are already trying to control another thread with your "I'm right" attitude.
Incorrect as always. It has nothing to do with me being right, but with the OP and Ff providing zero argument for a change. Without any reason why there should be a change, there'sà wellà there's simply no reason for the change.
If they want to see the change, they should be able to provide a reason why it should happen.
Quote: you can gtfo if you have no arguments as to why it shouldn't be done.
In other words, I'm sticking around. Very nice of you to give me your blessing. But again: I didn't need to provide any reason for the status quo ù they need to provide a reason for a change. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Tippia
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Posted - 2011.05.15 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11 No. Nothing in the op states anything about anything needing to be changed.
Now read the actual post you quoted and the conversation leading up to it. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Tippia
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Posted - 2011.05.15 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11 Yeah I read the thread..up to the part where you got trolled andà
àcalled him out on it, yes. Again: it has nothing to do with me being right, but with the OP and Ff providing zero argument for a change. You'll also note that it has nothing to do with an opinion, but about quite grossly misrepresenting what was actually said.
That said, it's very nice of you to come to the same conclusion (although you're perhaps not as diplomatic about it, calling him a troll outrightà I prefer to just squeeze until they start bleating incoherently about their best bridge tips). ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Tippia
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Posted - 2011.05.15 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Fumbleface I believe that the real reason for all the animosity directed at sp re-distribution by an egotistical few, stems mostly from selfishness and greed.
No. It's just that no good reason has been presented for why it's needed. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Tippia
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Posted - 2011.05.15 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Fumbleface On the other hand..I've provided some decent points that deserve some merit
No you haven't. You have only promised a thread that was supposed to contain a number of strong arguments, but then you linked to a thread that did none of kind.
So, what are those decent points? What are their merits?
Originally by: Wolfric Draksmile The fact that you cannot rearrange your skills is a problem because there are players like me who made mistakes in their carreer and the only way to repair your mistakes is to forget the fact that a quarter if your SP are useless an to wait to be skilled enough in the carrer you choose now.
Everyone make mistakes, but the question remains: why is this a problem? You learn from it, stop doing it, and try something else. Again: simply trying something in EVE takes very little time ù the things that do take time will either be long past the point of simply trying something or they will be universally applicable and not be wasted regardless. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Tippia
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Posted - 2011.05.16 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: Fumbleface I didn't promise anything..I simply provided a link for the OP as a reference to a thread, which I personally felt contained some pretty strong arguments in my opinion to a similar kind of situation.
àand when asked what those arguments were, you became awfully evasive and have yet to explain what you were referring to.
Quote: Why? You've seen my two quotes with Aeronwen Carys in this thread, so why are you acting so naive about it?
Yes. They didn't contain any arguments for this change. One was about how you couldn't afford to use the character bazaar, one was a tirade against Aeronwen's supposed lack of reasons (which was false, btw) and yet another reiteration about how you had provided ample reasons for the change (which was false as well).
Quote: being able to re-distribute my characters SP easily means everything in this game to me.
Then you should be able to come up with some pretty darn convincing arguments for why it's needed; what problems it will solve; what merits (and flaws) such a system would have; and why the drawbacks that have been brought up don't matter.
Quote: It would be great having the awesome freedom to completely tear down a characters existing skill tree, and build him/her back up to specialize in something completely different if I chose to at this later stage in my game.
It would also have some pretty significant (some would say horrific) effects on the game. But fine, this is an argument for (finally!). The problem is that it falls into the category of "it would be nice if CCP added 30 trillion ISK to my wallet" ù it doesn't really provide any reason why it's a good thing (an almost universal trait of "it would be nice ifà" arguments). Basically, why would it be great? And why can't you use the already awesome freedom of specialising in something completely different ù the game already allows you to do this, after all.
Quote: As for other pilots, I don't care if some guy/gal with half my sp wants to specialize in whatever it doesn't bother me
It's just that, just because you don't care doesn't mean it's not an issue. What you're suggesting effectively removes attributes as a useful mechanic (which is bad in and of itself) but only for those who pay (which turns an already bad idea into something utterly horrific). It also encourages cookie-cutter gameplay, FOTM:ing, and removes a lot of variety. It removes the fundamental features of planning and choice.
Quote: So you can either accept it or GTFO!
I'm afraid I can't do either of those because the argument you've finally provided is so flimsyà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Tippia
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Posted - 2011.05.16 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: lilol' me Tippia this has to be said why the feck do you constantly troll these forums with your miserable negative attitude? Get lost your opinions mean jack. No one cares what you think...seriously they don't..you sir are an idiot...
So I take it you agree with me, seeing as how you couldn't present any kind of argument and had to resort to ad hominems.
Thank you for your support. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Tippia
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Posted - 2011.05.16 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Fumbleface In addition you've provided zero arguments or anything else that may be relevant to the topic even though you've been asked too.
False.
Quote: Instead you've just sat back and let everyone else put forth their arguments,
False as well ù I've been asking for arguments in favour of this change so that there is something to respond to beyond the points that have already been made against it (by me and others).
Quote: which makes me kind of think that..you could possibly be an idiot that may not capable of doing so in the first place.
So I take it that, not only have you not read anything I've said in this thread, but you also ù amazingly ù manage to agree with what I said, seeing as how you can't provide any counter-arguments and have to go for the ad hominem instead.
Thank you for your support.
Oh, and how about those arguments? Do you have any? Hmm? No? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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