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Oxford Blue
Caldari The Drake Project
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Posted - 2011.05.16 20:42:00 -
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So just a quick one
How ould you go about getting an alliance into null sec without having to fight for the space
say if you were industrially orientated?
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frieghtliner120
Gallente THE TIME LORDS THE-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2011.05.16 20:57:00 -
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close your alliance merge into mine and use the ugraded space we have for industrialist... grav sites top ores... contact me in game if interested
TFA The Time Lords
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Xorth Adimus
Caldari Blackwater USA Inc. Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.05.16 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Oxford Blue getting an alliance into null sec without having to fight
Let me just stop you there. Notice anything wrong with this statement?
That is all.
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Nynjato
Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.05.16 21:11:00 -
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Well if you guys need a place to chill and expand while getting used to nullsec we have some unused systems you can capitalize on.
Contact Miner Meldody in game, he'll get you set up. Signature removed for not being EVE Related. Zymurgist |
Metal Dude
Gallente Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.05.16 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Oxford Blue
How ould you go about getting an alliance into null sec without having to fight for the space
You become a pet.
The truth will set you free
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Tom Cerbett
Gallente Wrecking Shots Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.05.16 21:35:00 -
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reprocess your mining ships and build maelstroms instead
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Tyrant's Bane
Gallente Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.05.16 22:37:00 -
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basically if you want to get into null sec without having to fight you don't have many options. Basically you have to either become a pet, or a renter. This is not entirely a bad thing, every alliance has to start out somewhere, and since your an industrial alliance its your best bet as you are unlikely to be highly desired militarily.
Here is some advice if you do decide to start renting/being a pet.
A. try to ensure that your space wither has a station in it, or you have access to a station nearby (as in 1-2 jumps from your space)
B. To ensure that you keep your pet/renter status, make sure that you contribute in a visible manner to the people you have a contract with. In your case occasionally pvping if you can, AND since your an industrial alliance building large quantities of ships and materials that are needed and then place them where they will do your friends service. (ie if your contractors get into a huge war and are losing a lot of ships, build and then ship them the ships/modules they are using to the station they are basing out of. This will make them happy, earn you browny points, make you a decent profit.
C. DO NOT TRUST TEST and/or GOONS in ANY way in regards to rental agreements UNLESS you are literally talking to their alliance leader.
D. As you are a renter, and a new one to boot DO NOT demand valuable moon, and or the the most valuable space, you will not get it, and only **** off your contractors; This stays in effect even after you become a renter, you have to prove yourself in order to earn better space, not demand it.
E. Reread steps A-D to ensure full comprehension
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Capricorn 0ne
Caldari Broski Federation Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.05.16 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Oxford Blue without having to fight
Empire.
Seriously if you set foot in null or 0.0 you will eventually have to fight. If you are not ready to fight you are not ready to really play eve. Here is a tip, get all your buddies who want to be in 'null' and start getting cheap ships and go looking for fights in nullsec and 0.0. Get to know the players, get to know the area. Look at Dotland Eve maps. Google how to scout and what not or pvp basics. Get blown up, maybe blow something up.
But if you can do nothing else, get a Hulk Blob with drones. Seriously I can see it now,
HULKAGEDDON WARS EPISODE V: THE HULK'S STRIKE BACK
Hell if you so happen to amasses a army of hulk pilots ready to die for the empire, I will lead them as long as I can cut off someones hand a tell them I am their father.
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NUXI7
Minmatar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.05.16 23:46:00 -
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Edited by: NUXI7 on 16/05/2011 23:46:03
Originally by: Tyrant's Bane
C. DO NOT TRUST TEST and/or GOONS in ANY way in regards to rental agreements UNLESS you are literally talking to their alliance leader.
Nonsense, we have a perfectly legitimate paid corp recruitment program as noted by our alliance representative at Fanfast. Its called the Help Us, Help You, Help Us program. Convo me ingame and I'll hook you up.
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Misanth
Amarr RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.05.17 08:36:00 -
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Edited by: Misanth on 17/05/2011 08:36:27
Originally by: Capricorn 0ne Seriously if you set foot in null or 0.0 you will eventually have to fight. If you are not ready to fight you are not ready to really play eve.
That goes for Empire as well.
They should simply not have a whole alliance of only industrialists, that's begging for permanent harrassments and endless diplomatic seesions to sort coalitions, not to mention all their potential "friends" always will ask 'why the **** do we have this piece of **** alliance set blue in the first place, they're useless'.
I.e. either recruit people who will fight for you in the alliance, or disband it and join an alliance where they have fighters and will accept industrial corporations.
That applies as much for highsec as for null. You can't run from the fights in this game, the minute you do, the minute the fights start run after you. -
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Killer Gandry
Caldari Red Horizon Inc
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Posted - 2011.05.17 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth [They should simply not have a whole alliance of only industrialists, that's begging for permanent harrassments and endless diplomatic seesions to sort coalitions, not to mention all their potential "friends" always will ask 'why the **** do we have this piece of **** alliance set blue in the first place, they're useless'.
I.e. either recruit people who will fight for you in the alliance, or disband it and join an alliance where they have fighters and will accept industrial corporations.
That applies as much for highsec as for null. You can't run from the fights in this game, the minute you do, the minute the fights start run after you.
A real big piece of bullcrap. Your notion of the use of a pure industrial alliance clearly shows you are the last person to talk to. Ships and modules don't just appear out of nothing by the wave of a magical wand.
If a pure industrial alliance becomes a renter or pet and can assist the alliance they rent from with large quantities of ships and modules at competative prices but with way less transport they are of great use. A pure industrial alliance in empire can make enough ISK to keep a descent or even a few descent merc corporations on retainer. Heck they can even have a ship replacement program in order for those mercs incase of a war dec.
Hence the merc corp benefits without being part of the industrial alliance.
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Misanth
Amarr RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.05.17 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Killer Gandry A real big piece of bullcrap. Your notion of the use of a pure industrial alliance clearly shows you are the last person to talk to. Ships and modules don't just appear out of nothing by the wave of a magical wand.
If a pure industrial alliance becomes a renter or pet and can assist the alliance they rent from with large quantities of ships and modules at competative prices but with way less transport they are of great use. A pure industrial alliance in empire can make enough ISK to keep a descent or even a few descent merc corporations on retainer. Heck they can even have a ship replacement program in order for those mercs incase of a war dec.
Hence the merc corp benefits without being part of the industrial alliance.
Angry? Check Insinuating and assuming what was not said? Check
I think this warrants a "u mad?" reply. -
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HELIC0N ONE
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.17 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Killer Gandry
Ships and modules don't just appear out of nothing by the wave of a magical wand.
No, they get jump-freightered in directly from Jita, and until 0.0 is given some major reworking to make it viable they always will do.
The only viable industry that can operate in 0.0 in any significant quantity is supercapital production (and even then, the production lines are usually fed by minerals bought in Jita, compressed, and jump freightered out), so unless that's what the OP is intending then they have nothing to offer any existing powerbloc.
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Mitch Taylor
Caldari Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.05.17 10:15:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMiy_UsrPDs
The Dark is Rising...
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Misanth
Amarr RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.05.17 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mitch Taylor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMiy_UsrPDs
That's what I call proper griefing.
Didn't think it could be much worse than this thread, but what you just posted is quite an achivement. -
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Lovelocke
Caldari Enlightened Industries SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.17 10:42:00 -
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You could go to NPC space. It's not ideal but it'll get your foot in the door and let you experience nullsec life. Scout out some NPC systems and find out what corps/alliances frequent there and then try to negotiate blue status. I see lots of very quiet NPC systems in my travels.
I do concur with what people have been saying regarding fighting; it's just not viable to expect to live in nullsec and not pvp, at least, for the majority. In my corp we're a mixture of industry, pvp etc, but a condition of joining for miners/industrialists is they are willing to participate in combat and have a combat ship available to fight. It's not drastically time consuming training up for a T2 tanked battlecruiser such as a Drake. My corp originally began as industrial-only however like people have said those sorts of corps become targets for harassment, which we were. We took control of the situation, had people train up for blackbirds, drakes and arbitrators and then chased our griefers away. This proved to be more fun than mining and so we set about creating a pvp wing, which for a highsec corp/alliance is a good idea. Now my corp is living in nullsec and apart from a select few we all pvp (after doing our mining, industry etc).
Feel free to convo/mail me in game for the specifics of how we managed it. CEO Enlightened Industries |
cBOLTSON
Caldari Star Frontiers Ignore This.
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Posted - 2011.05.17 10:50:00 -
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No idea if this is a troll or not however I will play along...
The honourable thing to do would be to move your corp / alliance into the corp NPC systems of a player owned part of space. So im thinking Fountain core, Delve core etc...
You could take the easier route of going to less populated NPC 0.0.
Then of course the other two options are; join a large alliance or some pet alliance of said large alliance OR ~fight~ for some space, but good luck with that.
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John Caesse
Caldari Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.05.17 13:52:00 -
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Just base out of NPC 0.0, then you're just a few t3s and nyxes away from being ~elite pvp~, right?
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Killer Gandry
Caldari Red Horizon Inc
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Posted - 2011.05.17 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth Angry? Check Insinuating and assuming what was not said? Check
I think this warrants a "u mad?" reply.
Well atleast this explains your presence in Rabble Rabble Rabble.
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Proclus Diadochu
Caldari Varion Galactic OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.17 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Killer Gandry
Originally by: Misanth [They should simply not have a whole alliance of only industrialists, that's begging for permanent harrassments and endless diplomatic seesions to sort coalitions, not to mention all their potential "friends" always will ask 'why the **** do we have this piece of **** alliance set blue in the first place, they're useless'.
I.e. either recruit people who will fight for you in the alliance, or disband it and join an alliance where they have fighters and will accept industrial corporations.
That applies as much for highsec as for null. You can't run from the fights in this game, the minute you do, the minute the fights start run after you.
A real big piece of bullcrap. Your notion of the use of a pure industrial alliance clearly shows you are the last person to talk to. Ships and modules don't just appear out of nothing by the wave of a magical wand.
If a pure industrial alliance becomes a renter or pet and can assist the alliance they rent from with large quantities of ships and modules at competative prices but with way less transport they are of great use. A pure industrial alliance in empire can make enough ISK to keep a descent or even a few descent merc corporations on retainer. Heck they can even have a ship replacement program in order for those mercs incase of a war dec.
Hence the merc corp benefits without being part of the industrial alliance.
Name a single all Indy Alliance that has succeeded in Nullsec... Join as the industrial division of a major alliance or split off the corps and become industrial divisions of smaller alliances.
No parent alliance is going to drop what they are doing to save some indy alliance during a multifront war in nullsec, and for that matter, most, if not all of the major SOV holding alliances already have large indy corporations within their alliance.
For instance, RAGE definitely did not save or even assist in saving any of their guests' space... I was there.
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Mymh Heretache
Minmatar RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.05.18 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Killer Gandry
Originally by: Misanth Angry? Check Insinuating and assuming what was not said? Check
I think this warrants a "u mad?" reply.
Well atleast this explains your presence in Rabble Rabble Rabble.
Hey hey hey now, he's our most prominent shiptoaster.
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Deen Wispa
Gallente Pilots of Epic Roughneck Regulators
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Posted - 2011.05.18 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Oxford Blue So just a quick one
How ould you go about getting an alliance into null sec without having to fight for the space
say if you were industrially orientated?
Seriously? God. I feel sorry for the people you are recruiting into your corp. It's like the blind leading the blind -----------------
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M'Tar
Minmatar Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.05.18 11:00:00 -
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Going into 0.0 generally comes as a bit of a culture shock for most empire dwellers.
It can be done, but you have to bear in mind you will be starting out at the bottom of the pile.
Going into 0.0 as an alliance makes your job even harder btw, while most alliances would be receptive to a decent industrial corp joining and contributing to their alliance objectives, as an alliance you are just not that attractive as you have your own goals etc, not to mention standings have to be adjusted by everyone connected to the people who may take you in, that alone is a big hurdle.
So, as others have mentioned, your options are limited to being a pet or a renter. Either way it will cost you, probably in isk, maybe in ships or minerals.
Things you should forget about right off the bat. Being protected, unless you pay for it. Getting moons with anywhere near the good goo, they are used by the controlling alliances. Having a say in what you can do where.
You will be a guest at best, you will have rules as to what you can do and where.
Your best option is to consolidate into a corp, and see if you can join an alliance that's already in 0.0. That alone massively increases your chances of getting not only into 0.0, but of getting a better spot and security.
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HELIC0N ONE
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.18 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Proclus Diadochu Name a single all Indy Alliance that has succeeded in Nullsec...
At a push I'd offer Kraftwerk, although they were prepared to jump in their battleships and blow things up as well, they were primarily a supercap factory.
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Rad Lalaxen
Gallente Death Incarnate INC Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.05.18 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Killer Gandry A real big piece of bullcrap. Your notion of the use of a pure industrial alliance clearly shows you are the last person to talk to. Ships and modules don't just appear out of nothing by the wave of a magical wand.
You're right, ships and modules appear out of nothing by the wave of a magical jump freighter.
One ship, made your whole alliance obsolete.
Until CCP makes nullsec capable of supporting itself, you don't stand a chance as indy-only alliance.
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penifSMASH
Caldari ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.18 22:09:00 -
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Edited by: penifSMASH on 18/05/2011 22:09:47
ITT pets give advice on how to scr-ape by
edit: scr-ape is filtered lmao
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Elesaar
Caldari Marinello Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.05.23 01:34:00 -
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pay PL 100000bill isk to get you a station and to protect it for u
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Pirokobo
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.23 03:01:00 -
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Edited by: Pirokobo on 23/05/2011 03:05:57
Originally by: Tyrant's Bane C. DO NOT TRUST TEST and/or GOONS in ANY way in regards to rental agreements UNLESS you are literally talking to their alliance leader.
In actual fact only the officially sanctioned diplomats are held to a no-scamming rule.
Anyway, the biggest thing you need to know about moving your alliance into nullsec is to never announce a public IPO for all your stations the same week that you: A. Go to war with IAC B. Attack Evil Thug's titan in build
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