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Pricecheckme captain	Posted - 2011.05.17 05:39:00 - [1] [Drake, incursion] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Mining Drone I x5 How am I looking?
luvmehard Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.17 05:45:00 - [2] Oh, oh! Let me hijack this thread and throw in two of my EFT fits with the same question! How am I looking? [Drake, Incursions Long Range] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Responsive Auto-Targeting System I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Hobgoblin II x5 ...... [Drake, Incursions Short Range] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Domination Stasis Webifier Domination Stasis Webifier Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Terror Assault Missile Drone Link Augmentor I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Hobgoblin II x5
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2011.05.17 06:25:00 - [3] As a general rule, you're not going to get into any of the good incursion fleets using a drake.For the guy above me with the faction mods on a t1 BC, FFS get a better ship. As for the OP: it's a decent fit, a solid drake setup, but you WILL get a lot of complaints (and not a lot of invites) if you bring a drake. this picture gets posted in incursion chat/btl pub at least once or twice a day
luvmehard Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.17 06:46:00 - [4] Originally by: Cambarus ...with the faction mods on a t1 BC... Your point being..? Just because you can't afford it it doesn't mean it's r3tarded. Or is it? Faction mods on a tier one battlecruisers don't work? Help me out here, would you? Originally by: Cambarus ...FFS get a better ship... I'm listening, eager to hear your proposal for another ship that fit's these particular roles better (better, not cheaper). I presume this wasn't just a generic and emtpy 'you suck' reply? As for the 'general rule' of not getting fleeted with a drake - leave this problem to Drake pilots. You are obviously not one of them as far as Incursions go, so why would you care?
Pricecheckme captain	Posted - 2011.05.17 07:03:00 - [5] Originally by: Cambarus As a general rule, you're not going to get into any of the good incursion fleets using a drake.For the guy above me with the faction mods on a t1 BC, FFS get a better ship. As for the OP: it's a decent fit, a solid drake setup, but you WILL get a lot of complaints (and not a lot of invites) if you bring a drake. this picture gets posted in incursion chat/btl pub at least once or twice a day I did get into one incursion fleet with the set up tonight. We had logis and didn't die (surprisingly), but it was definitely subpar. What is this incursion channel you're talking about?
luvmehard Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.17 07:10:00 - [6] He/she is talking about this bunch of awesome people, specifics you'll find on the bottom of that page.
Anddeh McNab Cadre Assault Force	Posted - 2011.05.17 08:23:00 - [7] Drake is fine for Vanguards to be honest, just try to aim for 75%+ resists across the board and as much EHP as you can pack on. There are two sides to the EVE community; those that scream for change and those that scream against it. Often they are the same person.
Isan'na Malicious Destruction	Posted - 2011.05.17 08:51:00 - [8] The initial setup looks about as good as it gets without faction. It's still subpar to most ships, but it's pretty good...for a drake. Stick to HML's, as HAM's have issues with range and consistently applying damage. Also, the HAM fit linked earlier is LOL - rigors don't affect HAMs. As for other options, the immediately obvious ones are Tengu - which can both vanguard blitz and snipe - and Nighthawk, which can come close on the damage and is a definite step up, but doesn't have the velocity bonus to snipe with and is less survivable. Cerberus is meh, as always. Skilling for one of those will help your ability to join good fleets immensely. <Isan> MALD, your best source for Concord LP.
Lady Go Diveher	Posted - 2011.05.17 11:26:00 - [9] Originally by: luvmehard Just because you can't afford it it doesn't mean it's r3tarded If you wanted to troll better, post a fit with T2 rigs. People love those. If you're actually serious, the answer is a Raven.
Zyress	Posted - 2011.05.17 11:52:00 - [10] Drake envy can be so ugly...

luvmehard Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.17 11:59:00 - [11] Originally by: Lady Go Diveher Originally by: luvmehard Just because you can't afford it it doesn't mean it's r3tarded If you wanted to troll better, post a fit with T2 rigs. People love those. If you're actually serious, the answer is a Raven. Thank you for your reply. No, no trolling attempt. But if you look closely you'll see there is one T2 rig. Simply because I got my hands on one cheap, I am actually flying this hull. I also know that rigors don't do much for HAMs. Again - I own and use this hull, don't want another and discarding/buying new rigs every time I refit between short- and longrange is something I am not willing to do. As for the Raven, isn't it clumsy for Vanguards? These tend to be predominantly BC fleets, no? I remember a few fleets where all the rest of us were waiting for ages for a Raven to slowboat to a gate. Even bumping it closer to it.
Lady Go Diveher	Posted - 2011.05.17 12:10:00 - [12] Edited by: Lady Go Diveher on 17/05/2011 12:10:51 Originally by: luvmehard Just because you can't As for the Raven, isn't it clumsy for Vanguards? These tend to be predominantly BC fleets, no? I remember a few fleets where all the rest of us were waiting for ages for a Raven to slowboat to a gate. Even bumping it closer to it I've not seen BC heavy fleets in Vanguards .. but then I don't bother with Vanguards so I'm not the expert. But if it's speed you're after, a Drake is not much faster than some T1 battleships. But then, the question has to be, why are you bothering with Vanguards? There's near no reason why you want to be using that Drake to run Vanguards. Get in a Raven / other BS to taste and take on the harder sites. You'll make enough ISK in just one Incursion to forget all about the Drake. Learn from the mistake of putting the T2 rig on the Drake in the first place and move on, rather than wallowing about in it because you feel attached in some way. p.s. - Drake envy? Who the ** has Drake envy? It's a piece of , carebear overtanked nimby pamby ship for FOTM ****s.
Khory Thunderstar The Single Scam	Posted - 2011.05.17 14:16:00 - [13] Originally by: Anddeh McNab Drake is fine for Vanguards to be honest, just try to aim for 75%+ resists across the board and as much EHP as you can pack on. Hell no! This kind of thinking is why drakes dont get invites for the same place. You do want ~75% resists to everything, and about 50k~60k EHP. After that, pack as much damage and Webbers /Target Painters as you can. The first fits are all right. Rigors, webbers, painter. If you are not using a faction webber you are going to need a AB. They are still going to get complained about because they are drakes though, as people are idiots. One thing that i would suggest - try to fit HAMs instead of HMs. Targets on vanguards orbit at most at 20ish km, you dont need the extra range, but you really need the extra damage.
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2011.05.17 16:30:00 - [14] Edited by: Cambarus on 17/05/2011 16:32:39 Originally by: luvmehard Your point being..? Just because you can't afford it it doesn't mean it's r3tarded. Or is it? Faction mods on a tier one battlecruisers don't work? Help me out here, would you? The point is that if you can afford to be faction fitting your drake, you can afford a better ship than the drake. A NH is decent, a tengu is better, a pirate/t2 ship with a web strength bonus is best. Also LOL at the idea of not being able to afford a few faction BCUs on a drake I personally run a pair of vindis, a pair of basis, and a tengu when I run vanguards Originally by: luvmehard I'm listening, eager to hear your proposal for another ship that fit's these particular roles better (better, not cheaper). I presume this wasn't just a generic and emtpy 'you suck' reply? As I mentioned above: NH, tengu, any ship with a web amount bonus (loki is also a solid ship, though I myself dislike them for vanguard use). The sleipnir is also a good ship (missile ships are mostly sub-par for vanguards, they work fine in higher up sites though) Originally by: luvmehard As for the 'general rule' of not getting fleeted with a drake - leave this problem to Drake pilots. You are obviously not one of them as far as Incursions go, so why would you care? People come to the forums looking for advice, I offer advice. Just because YOU don't like the advice I offer doesn't make it bad advice, and given my experience running vanguards I know a thing or 2 about what works and what does not Originally by: luvmehard Thank you for your reply. No, no trolling attempt. But if you look closely you'll see there is one T2 rig. Simply because I got my hands on one cheap, I am actually flying this hull. I also know that rigors don't do much for HAMs. Again - I own and use this hull, don't want another and discarding/buying new rigs every time I refit between short- and longrange is something I am not willing to do. Basically what you're saying is that you're going to offer advice on running incursions, when you don't actually have a ship dedicated to doing so? (or 2, if you insist on switching between setups) Originally by: luvmehard As for the Raven, isn't it clumsy for Vanguards? These tend to be predominantly BC fleets, no? I remember a few fleets where all the rest of us were waiting for ages for a Raven to slowboat to a gate. Even bumping it closer to it. Raven sucks for vanguards, tbh most missile ships do. Assaults don't have the same issues mind you.
Jill Antaris Imperial Academy	Posted - 2011.05.17 18:39:00 - [15] The issue with coming in a drake to incursion fleets is that most people bringing them are very new to incursions and bringing brick tanks with no DPS that slows fleets down. To quote one of my FCs from last week: "I have nothing against a Drake, Drakes are absolutely fine, as long as you have people that know how to fit and fly them." The fitting in the OP is as good as you can get a drake for dps, dualweb + mwd is also not to bad if you lack ships with web bonuses or webs in your gang, what is often the case in random shield gangs. ---------------------- Nerf Lasers! Thay need far to less CPU and Grid to Fit. Still using not enught Cap and do far to mutch Damage. O wait... they allready did... =(
Jill Antaris Imperial Academy	Posted - 2011.05.17 18:53:00 - [16] Edited by: Jill Antaris on 17/05/2011 18:53:49 Hit relay instead of edit. -.- ---------------------- Nerf Lasers! Thay need far to less CPU and Grid to Fit. Still using not enught Cap and do far to mutch Damage. O wait... they allready did... =(
Hermann Fegelein Amarr	Posted - 2011.05.17 20:15:00 - [17] As people said, Drakes and other T1 combat ships are the lowest priority. You may be able to get squeezed into a headquarters but really a drake is not a good choice of finding a good fleet. The T2 and T3 crowd will get put into fleets almost immediately. Another thing, chances are if you are going to an incursion in a Drake you probably don't have the skills or funds necessary to do them. Incursions aren't your standard level 4 missions. They are the closest thing to fleet warfare other than fleet warfare. If you think you can just hop in your drake and go on an incursion you better be ready to take loses. ------------------------------------------------ Brigen sie mich Fegelein! FEGELEIN! FEGELEIN FEGELEIN!
Sir Oliver Midwestshire Amarr	Posted - 2011.05.17 20:15:00 - [18] As people said, Drakes and other T1 combat ships are the lowest priority. You may be able to get squeezed into a headquarters but really a drake is not a good choice of finding a good fleet. The T2 and T3 crowd will get put into fleets almost immediately. Another thing, chances are if you are going to an incursion in a Drake you probably don't have the skills or funds necessary to do them. Incursions aren't your standard level 4 missions. They are the closest thing to fleet warfare other than fleet warfare. If you think you can just hop in your drake and go on an incursion you better be ready to take loses. ...Oh and I'm the guy who founded the city between Eastshire and Westshire. Nobody visits it though.
Arazel Chainfire The Awakened Armada Infinite Conflux	Posted - 2011.05.17 23:17:00 - [19] This is what we came up with as the optimal incursion drake setup. [Drake, Incursion] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 10MN Afterburner II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile [empty high slot] Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Hobgoblin II x5 Therefore, you are looking pretty good - for a drake. I will say that very few fleets want to take a drake, because there are a great many people who fly t2's, t3's, and faction battleships for vanguards, and those are usually preffered. But if I saw a drake like this, and there was an open spot in my fleet, I might take it, where I wouldn't take most. -Arazel
Fulmar Muse Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.17 23:48:00 - [20] missiles are not very good for vanguards... gunboats with 700+dps on the gun/faction webs can apply all of their dps, this is not the case with drakes/tengus/ravens... (although tengus are consistant and pummle everything else) for the new incursion runner, perhaps running with armor fleet and using a sensor boosting battleship would be best... drakes aren't as good as the nearest competition and they are not as good as the ships u really want in your fleet :3 "Keep on doin what you doin, do it gud.. " Super fly]

luvmehard Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.18 08:26:00 - [21] Originally by: Cambarus stuffs Thanks, but unfortunately I am far away from being able to fly Tengus and Nighthawks. But I can fly a Loki, so tell me, would this be viable for Vanguards? [Loki, Incursions - Webber] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Domination Overdrive Injector Damage Control II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M [empty high slot] Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator I Medium Projectile Locus Coordinator I Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Loki Offensive - Turret Concurrence Registry Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst 25km web range with 60% Meta4's. It has a free highslot. Should I fit a large shield transporter or a medium cap transfer mod (cap stable with that one)?
Isan'na Malicious Destruction	Posted - 2011.05.18 10:10:00 - [22] [Loki, Vanguard Blitz - Shield] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II [empty high slot] 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M Medium Projectile Burst Aerator II Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization Warrior II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 [Loki, Vanguard Blitz - Armor] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Federation Navy Stasis Webifier 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Medium Projectile Burst Aerator II Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x5 If you trust your logi pilots, or have a booster, you can swap the DC2 on the shield to a tracking enhancer. If you have slaves and a booster, you can swap the plate for a TE for superior range. If you prefer an AB, remember to switch for the Fuel Catalyst sub, but it's not really necessary, and I prefer the extra mid. Both fits have higher EM/Therm resists, which is nice against the Romi Thalamus gunboats. The torps hit kin/exp and are speed/sig-tanked. In either case, medium projectiles suck in assaults, so focus on vans if you're running a Loki. FakeEdit: Projectile Scoping Array >>> Turret Concurrence Registry for AC. <Isan> MALD, your best source for Concord LP.
Estherenza	Posted - 2011.06.20 22:27:00 - [23] LOL... I fly Incursions with the following Drake set-up: 7x Heavy Missile Launcher II 1x Empty high Slot 2x Invulnerability Field II 1x Photon Scattering Field II 1x Heat Dissipation Field II 2x Target Painter I 1x Damage Control II 2x Ballistic Control Systems II 1x Photonic CPU Enhancer I 2x Medium Warheard Rigor Catalyst I 1x Medium Core Defense Field Extender I This fit works just fine and gets me invited to plenty of incursion fleets and I even run with regulars... Hate my Drake, it just makes me love it even more...
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Estherenza LOL... I fly Incursions with the following Drake set-up: 7x Heavy Missile Launcher II 1x Empty high Slot 2x Invulnerability Field II 1x Photon Scattering Field II 1x Heat Dissipation Field II 2x Target Painter I 1x Damage Control II 2x Ballistic Control Systems II 1x Photonic CPU Enhancer I 2x Medium Warheard Rigor Catalyst I 1x Medium Core Defense Field Extender I This fit works just fine and gets me invited to plenty of incursion fleets and I even run with regulars... Hate my Drake, it just makes me love it even more... I wish more people thought like you, I miss the early days of incursions when BC fleets were common in vanguards, was so much fun watching the WTFs in local when my lone vindi ODd an entire fleet
spackles Ibsol	Posted - 2011.06.21 00:41:00 - [25] I personally have found the joys of duo Dramiel gang bangs. 2 Drams v a Drake is funny as ****, when you have 2 ships doing 7kms each an a drake that hits like a girl....
Flurk Hellborn	Posted - 2011.06.21 12:21:00 - [26] I personally have found the joys of duo Drake gang bangs. 2 Drakes v a Dramiel is funny as ****, when you have 2 ships doing 7kms each an a dramiel that hits like a girl....
Estherenza	Posted - 2011.06.21 16:36:00 - [27] Originally by: Cambarus Originally by: Estherenza LOL... I fly Incursions with the following Drake set-up: 7x Heavy Missile Launcher II 1x Empty high Slot 2x Invulnerability Field II 1x Photon Scattering Field II 1x Heat Dissipation Field II 2x Target Painter I 1x Damage Control II 2x Ballistic Control Systems II 1x Photonic CPU Enhancer I 2x Medium Warheard Rigor Catalyst I 1x Medium Core Defense Field Extender I This fit works just fine and gets me invited to plenty of incursion fleets and I even run with regulars... Hate my Drake, it just makes me love it even more... I wish more people thought like you, I miss the early days of incursions when BC fleets were common in vanguards, was so much fun watching the WTFs in local when my lone vindi ODd an entire fleet LOL, if you OD an entire BC fleet with your Vindi, the problem is less with what ship they're flying and more with the fact that you're OD'ing a BC noob fleet with apparently inexperienced, low-level or non-existent logi's... That's hardly anything to be proud of... o.O


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