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Posted - 2011.05.21 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zinfandel "I know it's kind of silly but it does fit into EVE Online, it should be pretty successful, and I personally want that."
Pink, fluffy hats.
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.05.21 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
When you see it, you will realize it is nothing like "paying quad" and that there is nothing there that affects your power in the game.
Exactly what Cryptic was saying just before they started processing all the new ships through the CStore instead of adding them to the game, rationalizing it with "if it wasnt for this store, we wouldnt be making this stuff"
the new ships with special those ship only powers I might add. ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass" |
LuxLight
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Posted - 2011.05.21 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: HyperZerg What do you think ?
I think you have a hard time with logic. ...but you also sound familiar? Parroting someone, perhaps?
I think you should cancel your account(s). Your passive-aggressive pleading for validation is pathetic.
We already have MACRO-transactions. Bring on micro-transactions!
More features cost more money. You want more features for the same or less money. **** off.
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Florestan Bronstein
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.05.21 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T It is irrelevant WHO paid for it. It is only relevant what YOU paid for it. YOU have a choice between using in-game currency or real-life currency.
(1) Whether I have that choice or not depends on the actions of the other players - it is no certainty or right. If there is no seller all ISK in the game won't by me a PLEX.
(2) Whether I have that choice or not depends on my own state - you cannot say whether I have the choice between using in-game currency or real-life currency without knowing my in-game and RL financial situation.
(3) a small story about freedom: I put you inside a cage - you are imprisoned. I put you inside a chalk circle, in the same room is a guard that will shoot you if you set foot outside the marking - technically, you are free. Most people don't care about all the choices they might technically have - "freedom to choose" between two options only exists when the payoffs associated with them are roughly comparable.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.05.21 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
When you see it, you will realize it is nothing like "paying quad" and that there is nothing there that affects your power in the game.
Exactly what Cryptic was saying just before they started processing all the new ships through the CStore instead of adding them to the game, rationalizing it with "if it wasnt for this store, we wouldnt be making this stuff"
the new ships with special those ship only powers I might add.
Because that trenchcoat you can buy obviously adds 10% tracking bonus...
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Imiarr Timshae
Caldari Funny Men In Funny Hats
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Posted - 2011.05.21 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zinfandel Good morning, capsuleers.
Some of you have found the location where we will be building a kind of store. It's not built yet and there's nothing to test in this build, but we hope to have you testing this store on Duality in a couple of weeks.
When you see it, you will realize it is nothing like "paying quad" and that there is nothing there that affects your power in the game. And I am convinced that some of you who are the most disturbed by the concept of selling virtual items are going to look at them and say "I know it's kind of silly but it does fit into EVE Online, it should be pretty successful, and I personally want that."
I will come bump you guys when we get close to test time. We really want to hear your feedback once you've seen some of what we have.
Thanks and have a great weekend.
Totally going to get myself flamed to hell and back for this but god I miss Eve from when I joined -----
Originally by: GM Horse
Remember kids, both meth and macro use are Really Quite Bad Things.
Originally by: CCP Shadow Tragic smelting accidents.
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Ryjak Lennox
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Posted - 2011.05.21 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny I run 1 account and things are fine
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Mister Rocknrolla
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Posted - 2011.05.21 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
When you see it, you will realize it is nothing like "paying quad" and that there is nothing there that affects your power in the game.
Exactly what Cryptic was saying just before they started processing all the new ships through the CStore instead of adding them to the game, rationalizing it with "if it wasnt for this store, we wouldnt be making this stuff"
the new ships with special those ship only powers I might add.
And what SOE said when they introduced Station Cash and shortly before they sent EQ2 to F2P oblivion.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.05.21 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Florestan Bronstein Most people don't care about all the choices they might technically have - "freedom to choose" between two options only exists when the payoffs associated with them are roughly comparable.
And overall, across the entire userbase, the market makes sure that they're roughly the same ON AVERAGE. You can't get fairer than that without asking for RL financial statements from players and subsidizing some (which you should agree would be ridiculous). |
evil hamster
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Posted - 2011.05.21 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Plebs who don't know how to make ISK can stick to wearing rags, like the rest of the losers.
i don't care if im wearing rags just as long as my guns still work
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Khamal Jolstien
Caldari Sick Tight Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.05.21 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zinfandel Good morning, capsuleers.
Some of you have found the location where we will be building a kind of store. It's not built yet and there's nothing to test in this build, but we hope to have you testing this store on Duality in a couple of weeks.
When you see it, you will realize it is nothing like "paying quad" and that there is nothing there that affects your power in the game. And I am convinced that some of you who are the most disturbed by the concept of selling virtual items are going to look at them and say "I know it's kind of silly but it does fit into EVE Online, it should be pretty successful, and I personally want that."
I will come bump you guys when we get close to test time. We really want to hear your feedback once you've seen some of what we have.
Thanks and have a great weekend.
Wow. You guys are actually wasting development time and money on this?
Originally by: McKinlay When you get on the batphone and the only people left in the phone book are Aeternus and BLAST it might be time to hang up.
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Telvani
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
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Posted - 2011.05.21 21:06:00 -
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Yay! Increased plex prices, lets artificially create even more demand for plex. Plex's only value should be 30 days of game time, not a charity donation, not clothes, this is just gunna further increase the price. That said its better than stuff that actually affects gameplay.
You may say its a small change but over a year on 2 accounts even just a 100m bump on plex prices is like 2-3 carriers |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
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Posted - 2011.05.21 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: HyperZerg
Originally by: Spectre Wraith Oh look, it's a poor person whine.
I'm sorry for you that you waste your time with thinking about the problem I stated. I must be really stupid if the solution is sooo obviouse that my post looks like a whine.
Hay HyperZerg!! Man, small world! Remember this from a few weeks ago? Where I blew up 5 transports like back to back? Dag that was a frackin' good day for me. Thanks again!
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Renan Ruivo
Caldari Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.21 21:41:00 -
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So you're telling me that i'll need to buy microtransaction stuff to better blow you up on space if we ever cross path?
Or that CCP will sell T2 and T3 ship BPO's on that store for 5000 US$?
Get f'ing grip. You people complained that Incarna was unecessary for EVE and that you'd completely ignore it, and now you're complaining that CCP will charge for fluff. Stop crying. ____________
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ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.22 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zinfandel I will come bump you guys when we get close to test time. We really want to hear your feedback once you've seen some of what we have.
My first feedback already is to make everything that one can buy this way available to ALL characters on the account. And please keep it at vanity items only. Be it ship paint-jobs or the face. ______________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
mkint
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Posted - 2011.05.22 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein Most people don't care about all the choices they might technically have - "freedom to choose" between two options only exists when the payoffs associated with them are roughly comparable.
And overall, across the entire userbase, the market makes sure that they're roughly the same ON AVERAGE. You can't get fairer than that without asking for RL financial statements from players and subsidizing some (which you should agree would be ridiculous).
on average and blah blah blah...
what would happen, on average, if CCP added "learning skills for plex" or something else that is essentially absolutely necessary but not technically required?
Maybe when the dev said "this fits in with EVE" he meant lies, theft, betrayal, griefing, rickrolling, and scamming. EVE is a game that promotes being bastards to eachother. CCP promotes those kinds of ethics in their game and-judging by the way the last few patches have gone-in their development process. What makes you think any dev statements about MT stores aren't more of the same?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.05.22 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: mkint what would happen, on average, if CCP added "learning skills for plex" or something else that is essentially absolutely necessary but not technically required?
Oh, is it tinfoil hat time already, or were you just using something intentionally outrageous as an absurd example ? They have encountered sufficient resistance and because of it subsequently gave up on introducing things that are far more lenient than that (i.e. PLEX for remap timer reset), and you think they would actually consider introducing anything that actually affects gameplay to any significant degree in spite of the obviously huge protests of most players at that time ?!?
Quote: CCP promotes those kinds of ethics in their game and-judging by the way the last few patches have gone-in their development process. What makes you think any dev statements about MT stores aren't more of the same?
Sure, they might have been somewhat neglectful with their QA, they might have made some less than popular choices lately for reasons which frankly are fairly obvious, and they might have broken some very vague old promises... but from that to outright lies and "must have" cash-milking microtransactions galore, that's a bit too much distance that needs to be jumped in order to reach such a conclusion. You need quite a few intermediate stops along the way there, and those steps should also be fairly obvious. _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.05.22 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Kidd on 22/05/2011 13:07:12
Originally by: Akita T
neglectful with their QA...made some less than popular choices...broken some...promises...
You pretty much sum the reasons people are fearful of this new MT store, that regardless of what CCP is presently vaguely saying it is not, what is it going to be?
I don't think it's too much to ask from CCP, that if they intend it not to be a MT store which imbues additional abilities to a character in the same way that implants enhance a character or makes available special modules or ships giving the purchaser advantages not available outside the MT stores or gives those with financial ability to purchase their characters large stockpiles of isk or gives characters outrageous power over the market in the same way that the T2 BPO lottery skewed the T2 market, then CCP should make a post which clearly and succinctly states as much instead of leaving the description of its concept and development so vague as to place it somewhere between being a fairytale and legend instead of the truth.
Otherwise, I do believe this to become something that substitutes for paid expansions where without purchase and participation one's competitiveness becomes trivial within the game.
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Last Tardfighter
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Posted - 2011.05.22 15:08:00 -
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Edited by: Last Tardfighter on 22/05/2011 15:08:50
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel Good morning, capsuleers.
Some of you have found the location where we will be building a kind of store. It's not built yet and there's nothing to test in this build, but we hope to have you testing this store on Duality in a couple of weeks.
When you see it, you will realize it is nothing like "paying quad" and that there is nothing there that affects your power in the game. And I am convinced that some of you who are the most disturbed by the concept of selling virtual items are going to look at them and say "I know it's kind of silly but it does fit into EVE Online, it should be pretty successful, and I personally want that."
I will come bump you guys when we get close to test time. We really want to hear your feedback once you've seen some of what we have.
Thanks and have a great weekend.
Seems like this
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Crucial Thread
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Posted - 2011.05.23 11:23:00 -
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Micro-transactions on EvE is a bad news, nuff said. All pain to the noob is little. |
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salty Milk
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Posted - 2011.05.23 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zinfandel And I am convinced that some of you who are the most disturbed by the concept of selling virtual items are going to look at them and say "I know it's kind of silly but it does fit into EVE Online, it should be pretty successful, and I personally want that."
if you repeat the same lie often enough people start to believe it is true
you are going to need a macro sunshine because you have a lot of lying ahead of you
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Ludacrys
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Posted - 2011.05.23 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Ludacrys on 23/05/2011 12:01:47 Cant wait for my True Sansha lava lamp for my captain quarters, and no that wasnt sarcasm
on a related note, i predict plex prices hitting 500m isk each
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Kronir
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Posted - 2011.05.23 12:07:00 -
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Can SOMEONE PLEASE tell me where there is info on these micro-transactions...because I haven't seen anything at all about it.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.05.23 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Imiarr Timshae Totally going to get myself flamed to hell and back for this but god I miss Eve from when I joined
Your character and you yourself have changed a lot in the meantime. It's hard to "miss EVE from when I joined" if you're not prepared to go back and start from scratch to experience EVE the same way today.
Go start a new character, see how much fun you have doing the things you used to do when you joined.
You have changed more than the game has. Nostalgia ain't what it used to be!
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OverlordY
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Posted - 2011.05.23 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: cyndrogen . While it's romantic to think of eve as a sandbox game the sandbox is partitioned by bullies who don't want noobs playing in their sand.
I have never read such a true statement in all my life.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.05.23 20:19:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 23/05/2011 20:21:48
Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla
Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
When you see it, you will realize it is nothing like "paying quad" and that there is nothing there that affects your power in the game.
Exactly what Cryptic was saying just before they started processing all the new ships through the CStore instead of adding them to the game, rationalizing it with "if it wasnt for this store, we wouldnt be making this stuff"
the new ships with special those ship only powers I might add.
And what SOE said when they introduced Station Cash and shortly before they sent EQ2 to F2P oblivion.
It took almost 2 years to go to F2P after release of Station Cash...I wouldn't call that shortly...
Honestly, the microtransaction stuff won't even be noticeable, you'll still be flying around shooting at stuff, be it players or NPCs. Whatever they do sell with probably be mostly fluff garbage. I never bothered with the station cash stuff in EQ2, and probably never will...same for any microtransaction crap here. -
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Lanrick
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Posted - 2011.05.25 16:05:00 -
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Wow, this community sure does go from "blank button on the test server" to "its the end of the galaxy" in a heck of a hurry.
I, for one, am looking forward to a set of pink fuzzy dice attached to the Vexor's control panel. ------- "The strong are often wrong but the weak are never free." |
Jayden Demonia
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Posted - 2011.05.28 23:55:00 -
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I do not mind playing Micro Transactions for Stuff that is not currently in the game, such as the ability to train two characters at once, or additional clothing, however, if I for any reason feel that this game is becoming like NC Soft Aion, OR any other game I will quit again.
Character Customization is good the way it is now where I can freely customize my character, I really do hope that I will not have to pay if I have to change a hair, or a set of clothes, and I hope that the picture swap is free, and I will continue to pay the moment they start to charge money for doing this I quit.
The only exception is if they sell clothing, or extra acessories then I will glady buy but I will expect that I can change, or modify my character any time I want.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.05.29 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
When you see it, you will realize it is nothing like "paying quad" and that there is nothing there that affects your power in the game.
Exactly what Cryptic was saying just before they started processing all the new ships through the CStore instead of adding them to the game, rationalizing it with "if it wasnt for this store, we wouldnt be making this stuff"
the new ships with special those ship only powers I might add.
Cryptic went more and more out of control with the C-Store, like you say it started off as cosmetic and you could only buy various uniforms and then it was a few ships "that you could also gain in game" which was a ridiculous grind and the ships got more and more powerful (and then got nerfed after people had bought them funnily enough)
Then they started with various races people desperately wanted to play and now they are selling ships which are useless after the first few levels but come with a "special" piece of equipment which happens to be very useful at later levels but you still have to pay the same price as a end game ship for basically a console or w/e
Now most of the stuff is unobtainable in game.
The temptation for any company with an item store is to see úúú signs when they see how popular the items are, people ***** and whine but people still drop money into them and the devs or publishers see this and realise they cant expand the market cosmetically anymore because after all you can only sell so many pairs of trousers and start to introduce game play related items.
The only good thing with CCP and EVE in this respect is that the system is fully interchangeable with RL cash and in game cash so even if CCP does start introducing new ships or implants/boosters is that players can spend ISK on them instead of RL cash.
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MonaLisa MoneyMaker
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Posted - 2011.05.29 00:24:00 -
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If I remember correctly, ccp went to the plex system to stop the rampant barrage of isk sellers . It worked; But maybe it was a problem that was created on purpose in the first place by ccp. I think as some suggested in the past. ( Just for the sole purpose of implementing the plex system.) And now for the 2nd part of CCP's plan the good ole item shop . Brilliant.
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