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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.05.21 17:43:00 -
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AT9.BIG-EVE.COM
BIG is proud once again to be hosting betting for the EVE populace.
AT9 Dates & TimesMay 28th & 29th - Pre-Qualifying Round 1 June 4th & 5th - Pre-Qualifying Round 2 June 11th, 12th & 18th - Group Stage June 19th - Finals
The following types of bets can be madeObserve the deadlines for making a particular bet!!! - Else your bet is void. TIA for your donation. ISK will NOT be returned if you make a particular bet after it's deadline!!! Consider it a tax on the stupid. So doublecheck!
Make your bets before 2011.05.28 15:00 EVE time (Start of the Pre-Qualifiers stage) A01: Bet on a team making it to the Groups stage. (teams #65-#68 obviously not valid for this bet) A02: Bet on a team making it to the Finals (knock-out) stage. A03: Bet on a team making it to the semi-finals. A04: Bet on a team winning the tournament.
Make your bets before 2011.06.11 15:00 EVE time (Start of the Groups stage B05: Bet on a team making it to the Finals (knock-out) stage. B06: Bet on a team making it to the semi-finals. B07: Bet on a team winning the tournament.
Make your bets before 2011.06.19 15:00 EVE time (Start of the Finals (knock-out) stage) C08: Bet on a team making it to the semi-finals. C09: Bet on a team winning the tournament.
Bets 10,11 and 12 below dosn't open until the teams for the matches have been found Make your bets before 2011.06.19 20:00 EVE time (Start of the first semi-final, match 125) D10: Bet on who will win semi-final A (match 125). D11: Bet on who will win semi-final B (match 126).
Make your bets before 2011.06.19 21:30 EVE time (Start of the final, match 127) E12: Bet on who will win the Final (match 127).
How to betSend your ISK to the character BIG Games (1M ISK increments only) who is a member of the corporation BIG. Please do doublecheck!!! There's so many (name look-alike) scammers out there it's just ridiculous.
Also - Follow the instructions TO THE LETTER on what to enter in the "reason" field when you wire ISK. Use the "Bet Calculator" on the AT9 website to know what bet code to enter (example : AT9-B0637)
ISK will NOT be returned if you mess it up!!! Consider it a tax on the stupid. So doublecheck!
Depending on what error you make, your ISK is lost (TIA for your donation), or you might simply be getting BIG Lottery tickets which isn't half bad (As the same char is used for ticket purchases to The BIG Lottery)
So again - Doublecheck!!!
Each year I spend way too much time on double-checking for people who, then, turns out to have messed up.... It's not rocket science people...
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.05.21 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: TornSoul on 21/05/2011 17:53:31
This year I'm going to try a little experiment.
Namely the bets D10, D11, E12.
The betting window is extremely small - As it's bets on three individual matches, for which the participants will only have been found shortly before the match itself.
I hope the chosen matches (semi-finals and the final itself) will be high-profile enough that people will want to bet on them - even given the extremely narrow betting window.
Time will tell
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Any issues with the website, please let me know here.
The changed format of the tournament has meant tons and tons of extra hours to redo the website. (as opposed to simply copy/pasting the last tournament website&DB)
I'd be very surprised if there isn't an error or two here and there - Please let me know.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.05.21 17:48:00 -
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Dear mods
These many posts are reserved to list the results. They unfurtunatly take up an awfull lot of space.
Have a look at past BIG Betting threads to see : [BIG Betting] AT8 [BIG Betting] AT7 [BIG Betting] AT6 [BIG Betting] AT5 [BIG Betting] AT4
PS : A sticky would be nice. Sugar on the top? BIG Lottery |
TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.05.21 17:49:00 -
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Dear mods
These many posts are reserved to list the results. They unfurtunatly take up an awfull lot of space.
Have a look at past BIG Betting threads to see : [BIG Betting] AT8 [BIG Betting] AT7 [BIG Betting] AT6 [BIG Betting] AT5 [BIG Betting] AT4
PS : A sticky would be nice. Sugar on the top?
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.05.21 17:49:00 -
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Dear mods
These many posts are reserved to list the results. They unfurtunatly take up an awfull lot of space.
Have a look at past BIG Betting threads to see : [BIG Betting] AT8 [BIG Betting] AT7 [BIG Betting] AT6 [BIG Betting] AT5 [BIG Betting] AT4
PS : A sticky would be nice. Sugar on the top?
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.05.21 17:50:00 -
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Dear mods
These many posts are reserved to list the results. They unfurtunatly take up an awfull lot of space.
Have a look at past BIG Betting threads to see : [BIG Betting] AT8 [BIG Betting] AT7 [BIG Betting] AT6 [BIG Betting] AT5 [BIG Betting] AT4
PS : A sticky would be nice. Sugar on the top?
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.05.21 17:50:00 -
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Dear mods
These many posts are reserved to list the results. They unfurtunatly take up an awfull lot of space.
Have a look at past BIG Betting threads to see : [BIG Betting] AT8 [BIG Betting] AT7 [BIG Betting] AT6 [BIG Betting] AT5 [BIG Betting] AT4
PS : A sticky would be nice. Sugar on the top?
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.05.21 17:51:00 -
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Dear mods
These many posts are reserved to list the results. They unfurtunatly take up an awfull lot of space.
Have a look at past BIG Betting threads to see : [BIG Betting] AT8 [BIG Betting] AT7 [BIG Betting] AT6 [BIG Betting] AT5 [BIG Betting] AT4
PS : A sticky would be nice. Sugar on the top?
(end of reserved posts)
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.05.23 09:51:00 -
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Edited by: TornSoul on 23/05/2011 09:51:55
The first few bets have ticked in
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I'd really like to have some feed back on the bet types offered.
Too many, too few? Good/bad types of bets?
I'm especially interested in hearing if you think you'll be using the bets D10, D11 and E12 (those with a very short betting window)
Would you like to see more of that type? Or ditch them?
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.05.24 20:40:00 -
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Thanks for the feed-back. Really!
"forget to enter in time unless you can remind people somehow,"
Yeah that's my main worry as well - It's a *very* narrow window to remember to get a bet in on.
But with a bit of CCP love *hint hint* it might work out - Say the commentators dropping a hint the get the bets in in time on the night of the finals - stuff like that
Of course, that requires that *they* remember Might be a bit hectic around the last few battles there for them...
We'll see ;)
Thanks once more for the feed-back. I don't get much, so mostly operating in a vacuum here with regards to giving people what they want.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.05.25 09:14:00 -
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Edited by: TornSoul on 25/05/2011 09:20:31
Would love to - Alas I lack the skills for that...
EVE TV video adds donations will gladly be accepted though
And we could really really do with some EVE blog love... The deadline for Axx type bets is only a couple of days away - And frankly there's not *that* many bets in yet.
It's all about exposure... More exposure = more bets = BIGger prizes in the end for the winners.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.05.25 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: joefishy you could sweet talk a gm to do a few broadcasts to the whole of TQ about betting on the next match :)
/me drools a bit
How awesome would that be
Unfortunately CCP has become rather allergic to promoting player stuff... Afraid of the accusation of favoritism and all that.
Quite a shame, can't say I blame them (too much) though - We all know how the "public outrage" works around here...
So yeah, that would be a sweet sweet thing to see (for everyone imo) but it's hardly gonna happen
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.05.28 09:38:00 -
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@Caera Baera
Absolutely spot on.
@Jane Langford Betting on teams not making a certain stage : Interesting twist - I'll keep that in mind.
Betting on group winners : I actually did those in the past (whree we had groups), but cut them out this time, mainly to keep the list of bet types within reason (otherwise the risk is that bets gets too spread out - ie. few counterbets that one can win)
But I'll definitely keep it in mind.
Thanks a lot for the feed back.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.05.28 18:04:00 -
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What Jaari Val'Dara said :-)
It's also explained below each list of bets actually
And the ",/." war... well... it's the internet, get used to it
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.05.30 20:12:00 -
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This one needs some glue...
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Posted - 2011.06.03 19:09:00 -
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For once all teams showed up for the first round of fights.
Makes my life easier
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.06.09 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: carbomb
Originally by: Fritz Brause just out of interest, when will be the payout for A01?
was wondering the same thing
All payouts will be done after the tournament is over. As I then only have to do math once
Couple of days left on Bxx type bets.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.06.09 23:48:00 -
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Tbh the main reason for doing it like that is because, well that's how I've been doing it ever since we had the first tournaments.
Back then it wasn't stretched over 4 weekends though.
So granted, it might be time to reconsider that "strategy".
No promises here and now though - Just that I'll consider it
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.06.18 08:01:00 -
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First round of payouts done.
A total of 78 AT9-A01 type winning bets.
Man it's just a done of clicking getting that done... My index finger is actually "humming"...
Doing early payouts like this is definitely a good idea though! It breaks up the massive amounts of payouts I'll end up doing into smaller chunks. Way better for my sanity (and my index finger).
Grats to the winners!
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.06.18 08:22:00 -
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I did notice your name more than once doing the payouts
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.06.19 12:20:00 -
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Further 89 winning bets paid out.
32 A02 type bets and 57 B05 type bets.
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Still a few hours to get in some Cxx type bets :-)
And ofc later in the day once we know the teams, Dxx and E12 bets.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.06.19 18:47:00 -
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D10 betting now open.
Bet on Darkside. or Outbreak for winner of the first semi.
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Posted - 2011.06.19 19:38:00 -
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D11 betting now open
Bet on HYDRA RELOADED vs RAZOR Alliance
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.06.19 19:53:00 -
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That'll be fine :-)
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Posted - 2011.06.19 20:42:00 -
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E12 betting now open
Bet on Outbreak vs HYDRA RELOADED
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.06.20 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Othran Torn, you seem to have paid me out on an A0167 bet @ 12:12 19/06/2011. All of mine were B sequence bets (B0567, B0667, B0767).
The amount looks about right so I'm assuming its a typo and you meant to put B0567 in - must be as DarkSide weren't in the prequals. Just checking.
Dangnabbit.
Thats what happens when you copy/paste excel formulas from one sheet to another, and forget to change the one bit that actually makes a difference
So yeah - The actual ISK payouts are correct - But the bet type listed in the reason field is wrong as you've noted.
All A02, and B05 type bets have AT9-A01xx instead of the correct AT9-A02xx and AT9-B05xx respectively.
Sorry about that...
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As for the rest of the payouts - Gimme a break will ya :-)
Tournament ended close to midnight my local time, so no, I didn't stay up all night just to do payouts.
I will however start doing the math and payouts shortly.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.06.20 11:55:00 -
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pwewee - Finally done.
114 more winning payouts made
I *really* wish CCP would make this a little bit easier... (click a link - payment menu pre-filled with values... Like a mail link..) It's really really mind numbing doing these amount of payouts each year...
Grats to all the winners!!!
Will add some stats to the first page of the thread in a few minutes.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.06.20 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: TornSoul on 20/06/2011 12:32:29
The odds/state shown on the AT9 site now are the final ones (as no more bets can tick in)
I've also just updated posts 3 through 6 in this thread with stats for the individual bet types etc. Go have a look
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I'm pleasantly surprised with the success of the "experiment" with the Dxx and E12 types of bets.
I'm definitely going to do that for AT10 as well - And will most likely expand it to include the quarter finals as well.
Seems the very narrow betting windows isn't too much of a hurdle for these high profile end game matches.
If you have any requests for bet types for AT10 (and onwards), do let me know here.
I hope you all enjoyed the little bit of extra flavor added to the whole AT experience - See you all next time
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Posted - 2011.06.20 13:07:00 -
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@Hei'do
Yeah my example was quite contrived I'll admit (as there wasn't even a total of 5.5B ISK bet).
Bit of showmanship
Makes for a good "omg if only I'd..." moment
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@Ottersmacker and Othran
Checking now.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.06.20 14:17:00 -
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@Ottersmacker
Fixed (you and one other)
Somehow I skipped the last two in the list...
@Othran
Fixed (you and several others)
I managed to totally skip the tab containing B06 bets...
@Dr Thanat0s
Yes C08 has been done - and yes you have received your ISK (I double checked) - At least check your wallet....
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Posted - 2011.06.20 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Othran
I found the way you run the book a little strange - for anyone in the UK its basically the same as the Tote - but its fine once you realise the initial "odds" are largely meaningless.
Agreed on the initial "odds". It was a compromise reached (over) some years ago (forum requests). It's definitely not ideal - Hence the huge "disclaimer" below each table...
Not putting anything at all isn't as enticing either - and just putting the max (best case) odd's is slightly misleading as well (for bets where more than one team can be "a winner") - I've tried both (neither well received)
So it's a bit of a mess...
"for anyone in the UK its basically the same as the Tote" : Yup. Also technically called "Parimutuel betting"
Which it what makes the odd's thing a bit of a mess for the bets where multiple teams can be "a winner".
If you have any suggestion how to present it better I'm all ears.
Originally by: Othran
Have you considered running something along the lines of Betfair? ie you act as a broker to match up bets and take your 10%. Lot more work but the sidebets are huge and they'd be huger if people didn't have to deal only with people they can (probably) trust.
Yes I have considered it - and would love to do it.
Two options: a) Just do it manually. With the amount of bets I'm getting just not practical.... b) Automate it (website). Always in the back of my mind Along with a thousand other things... Some day... maybe... One downside to b) would be the requirement for people to actually register and log in to a website (their betting account) - It makes it less accessible, where now, you simply wire some ISK with a description and you're set.
Originally by: Othran
Thanks for doing it this year again - much appreciated.
My pleasure (except for the chore of the payouts - "Dear CCP, could we please have..." )
And rest assured I'll be there for AT10 as well
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.06.20 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Shiwan Khan still waiting for my B0565 bet to get paid out
See post #54
(or Othran's below)
You should have gotten your ISK.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.06.20 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Othran
All you need intially is an in-game "advert" site which requires you to deposit the bet before offering it.
Thing is there's a limit to just how much I can "abuse" the reason field when wiring ISK. Not to mention the bother of writing code to parse that string (and the risk of the API again changing how it handles the reason field)
With a website "click here, select this and that" that issue goes away.
It *is* the better option, both for extendability (bet options) and for verifying ("reason" field)
It's just a huge initial investment of time to get it set up is all - Not hard, just time.
And I must admit, with the tournament being once a year, it kind of gets put on the backburner in between, and then it's a scramble each year to get a new website up and running and bet types etc This year with the changed format it was quite a bother (time wise) to get set up...
Originally by: Othran
Time is required and you don't have it now probably :)
Indeed - It always comes down to that. Time
Thanks a lot for all your feedback btw!
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.06.20 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Thanat0s
lol nice way guys....where is c08 odds nobody knows...@ big site there is nothibg about forums it says clearly that: 'The odds given at the time of making your bet is not the final odds you will get! Only when betting has closed (after the deadlines listed) will you be able to see the final odds for your bet." anyway cool
It does also say the following right below the table for C08 bets
Quote:
If there are 4 or less teams listed, and they all end up in the semi-finals - Then odds will be 1. If only one of the listed teams ends up in the semi-finals - Then odds will be the max value listed for that team. If some of the listed teams ends up in the semi-finals, and some don't - Then odds will be somewhere between 1 and the max value for a given team. Expect odds to end up being much closer to 1 than to the max listed values.
I agree it can be confusing - But thats just the way it is. I try to explain it - But if people don't read...
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.06.20 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Rgarcia So how do you respond to a rigged bet? All the hydra and outbreak ppl who wons untold amounts of isk because they fixed the match, why do you even pay them since it was fixed? What is your respond the all the people who lost isk?
This has been asked in previous AT's as well.
My response is I'm not touching it.
It's a grey area, and I think this is the first time ever that we've had what I'd call 100% confirmation that a given match was actually rigged.
Other times one have been 95% certain, other times again 80% etc... (yet if you ask different people you'll get different percentages)
Bottom line is - You bet on a team to win. If they did they did, if they didn't they didn't.
The final result is the final result, regardless how it was achieved.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2011.06.20 17:48:00 -
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I suggest you put your thinking hat on for awhile and think it through.
*IF* I was to decide if a given match was rigged or not - and cancel (return) bets if I decided it was, what do you think would happen?
Every single loser would mail me and say the match was obviously rigged (and they'd have logs, and screenshots and what not to "prove it"), and they should have their ISK back.
And they would scream and cry and whine if I *dared* disagree with them. As would those who had won, if I cancelled their bets.
That would pretty much make running a betting service impossible. I wouldn't even try.
So no - I'm not touching it.
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Posted - 2011.06.21 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Lazarus
Also are all bets paid out yet?
Should be.
Sounds like you think you might be missing some?
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: StarCasher No reply in game so posting here instead. Copy of mail sent to Big Games. 2011.06.11 1330 100mil AT9-B0506 (ushra'khan to make it to knockouts) - Not paid. 2011.06.11 1334 20mil AT9-B0566 (Hydra Reloaded to make semi finals) - Not paid.
Sorry for not getting back to you yet, but I don't check on "BIG Games" daily.
I've checked my wallet journal, and both of the above have been entered into the BIG Lottery due to incorrect reason text.
Reason text :
DESC: 'AT9-B0506 ' DESC: 'AT9-B0566 '
Note the ' at the beginning (and end - and also extraneous space)
The text *has* to be exactly as stipulated on the betting site, as otherwise the automatic program can't parse it correctly, and thus defaults it to BIG Lottery tickets.
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