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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.20 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ottersmacker Edited by: Ottersmacker on 20/06/2011 12:46:39 Thanks, by now I have received every payout besides E12 (which isn't showing under "my bets", but should be valid at least considering the 9-digit code and timestamp (21:26) according to my wallet entry). Have you perhaps included it in some other payout already or should there be more coming?
B0667 is still outstanding for me. I assume Torn hasn't finished yet.
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TornSoul
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.20 13:07:00 -
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@Hei'do
Yeah my example was quite contrived I'll admit (as there wasn't even a total of 5.5B ISK bet).
Bit of showmanship
Makes for a good "omg if only I'd..." moment
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@Ottersmacker and Othran
Checking now.
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Dr Thanat0s
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Posted - 2011.06.20 14:01:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Dr Thanat0s on 20/06/2011 14:01:11 Edited by: Dr Thanat0s on 20/06/2011 14:00:54 does c08 category payed or not yet?
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.20 14:14:00 -
[64]
Thanks Tornsoul, all sorted now
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TornSoul
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.20 14:17:00 -
[65]
@Ottersmacker
Fixed (you and one other)
Somehow I skipped the last two in the list...
@Othran
Fixed (you and several others)
I managed to totally skip the tab containing B06 bets...
@Dr Thanat0s
Yes C08 has been done - and yes you have received your ISK (I double checked) - At least check your wallet....
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.20 14:29:00 -
[66]
Originally by: TornSoul
@Othran
Fixed (you and several others)
I managed to totally skip the tab containing B06 bets...
No worries.
As an aside you can keep your 34:1 odds as that's only for winner. Getting 10:1 on semis was almost money for nothing.
I was in fact praying for the tourney to start once I'd worked out that B06 was the group to be in for a decent win that was a small risk.
I found the way you run the book a little strange - for anyone in the UK its basically the same as the Tote - but its fine once you realise the initial "odds" are largely meaningless.
Have you considered running something along the lines of Betfair? ie you act as a broker to match up bets and take your 10%. Lot more work but the sidebets are huge and they'd be huger if people didn't have to deal only with people they can (probably) trust.
Thanks for doing it this year again - much appreciated.
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Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.20 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul @Ottersmacker Fixed (you and one other) Somehow I skipped the last two in the list...
thank you very much
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Shiwan Khan
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.20 14:41:00 -
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still waiting for my B0565 bet to get paid out ____________________________________________
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.20 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Shiwan Khan still waiting for my B0565 bet to get paid out
B05 bets were paid out with an A01 reason. Have you got an A0165 payout in your journal?
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TornSoul
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.20 15:08:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Othran
I found the way you run the book a little strange - for anyone in the UK its basically the same as the Tote - but its fine once you realise the initial "odds" are largely meaningless.
Agreed on the initial "odds". It was a compromise reached (over) some years ago (forum requests). It's definitely not ideal - Hence the huge "disclaimer" below each table...
Not putting anything at all isn't as enticing either - and just putting the max (best case) odd's is slightly misleading as well (for bets where more than one team can be "a winner") - I've tried both (neither well received)
So it's a bit of a mess...
"for anyone in the UK its basically the same as the Tote" : Yup. Also technically called "Parimutuel betting"
Which it what makes the odd's thing a bit of a mess for the bets where multiple teams can be "a winner".
If you have any suggestion how to present it better I'm all ears.
Originally by: Othran
Have you considered running something along the lines of Betfair? ie you act as a broker to match up bets and take your 10%. Lot more work but the sidebets are huge and they'd be huger if people didn't have to deal only with people they can (probably) trust.
Yes I have considered it - and would love to do it.
Two options: a) Just do it manually. With the amount of bets I'm getting just not practical.... b) Automate it (website). Always in the back of my mind Along with a thousand other things... Some day... maybe... One downside to b) would be the requirement for people to actually register and log in to a website (their betting account) - It makes it less accessible, where now, you simply wire some ISK with a description and you're set.
Originally by: Othran
Thanks for doing it this year again - much appreciated.
My pleasure (except for the chore of the payouts - "Dear CCP, could we please have..." )
And rest assured I'll be there for AT10 as well
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TornSoul
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.20 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Shiwan Khan still waiting for my B0565 bet to get paid out
See post #54
(or Othran's below)
You should have gotten your ISK.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.20 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: Othran on 20/06/2011 15:22:18
Originally by: TornSoul
b) Automate it (website). Always in the back of my mind Along with a thousand other things... Some day... maybe... One downside to b) would be the requirement for people to actually register and log in to a website (their betting account) - It makes it less accessible, where now, you simply wire some ISK with a description and you're set.
You may be overly complicating it. Betfair is very sophisticated - you don't need to go to that extent.
I'm not sure how much people will understand about bookies but most of Europe IME only understands Tote/Paris Mutual which in both countries until recently was state-controlled betting.
All you need intially is an in-game "advert" site which requires you to deposit the bet before offering it.
Time is required and you don't have it now probably :)
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TornSoul
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.20 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Othran
All you need intially is an in-game "advert" site which requires you to deposit the bet before offering it.
Thing is there's a limit to just how much I can "abuse" the reason field when wiring ISK. Not to mention the bother of writing code to parse that string (and the risk of the API again changing how it handles the reason field)
With a website "click here, select this and that" that issue goes away.
It *is* the better option, both for extendability (bet options) and for verifying ("reason" field)
It's just a huge initial investment of time to get it set up is all - Not hard, just time.
And I must admit, with the tournament being once a year, it kind of gets put on the backburner in between, and then it's a scramble each year to get a new website up and running and bet types etc This year with the changed format it was quite a bother (time wise) to get set up...
Originally by: Othran
Time is required and you don't have it now probably :)
Indeed - It always comes down to that. Time
Thanks a lot for all your feedback btw!
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Dr Thanat0s
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Posted - 2011.06.20 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul
@Dr Thanat0s
Yes C08 has been done - and yes you have received your ISK (I double checked) - At least check your wallet....
i have bet 100m on darkside @ c08bet*6.00odds=600m and 50m on outbreak @ co8bet*9,52=476m but i have only received 158m + 78m.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.20 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: Othran on 20/06/2011 16:47:02 Edited by: Othran on 20/06/2011 16:45:59 Edited by: Othran on 20/06/2011 16:44:42
Originally by: Dr Thanat0s
Originally by: TornSoul
@Dr Thanat0s
Yes C08 has been done - and yes you have received your ISK (I double checked) - At least check your wallet....
i have bet 100m on darkside @ c08bet*6.00odds=600m and 50m on outbreak @ co8bet*9,52=476m but i have only received 158m + 78m.
You don't get the odds that are listed when you bet.
Edit the final odds are listed at the start of the thread. That's the way of things with a betting pool, you don't really know what you get unless you work out the big betters and bet against them.
If it worked the way a normal bookie does I'd have taken in about 4 billion from a 100mill bet. It can't as there isn't enough iskies in the bookie.
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Dr Thanat0s
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Posted - 2011.06.20 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Othran Edited by: Othran on 20/06/2011 16:47:02 Edited by: Othran on 20/06/2011 16:45:59 Edited by: Othran on 20/06/2011 16:44:42
Originally by: Dr Thanat0s
Originally by: TornSoul
@Dr Thanat0s
Yes C08 has been done - and yes you have received your ISK (I double checked) - At least check your wallet....
i have bet 100m on darkside @ c08bet*6.00odds=600m and 50m on outbreak @ co8bet*9,52=476m but i have only received 158m + 78m.
You don't get the odds that are listed when you bet.
Edit the final odds are listed at the start of the thread. That's the way of things with a betting pool, you don't really know what you get unless you work out the big betters and bet against them.
If it worked the way a normal bookie does I'd have taken in about 4 billion from a 100mill bet. It can't as there isn't enough iskies in the bookie.
lol nice way guys....where is c08 odds nobody knows...@ big site there is nothibg about forums it says clearly that: 'The odds given at the time of making your bet is not the final odds you will get! Only when betting has closed (after the deadlines listed) will you be able to see the final odds for your bet." anyway cool
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.20 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Thanat0s
Originally by: Othran Edited by: Othran on 20/06/2011 16:47:02 Edited by: Othran on 20/06/2011 16:45:59 Edited by: Othran on 20/06/2011 16:44:42
Originally by: Dr Thanat0s
Originally by: TornSoul
@Dr Thanat0s
Yes C08 has been done - and yes you have received your ISK (I double checked) - At least check your wallet....
i have bet 100m on darkside @ c08bet*6.00odds=600m and 50m on outbreak @ co8bet*9,52=476m but i have only received 158m + 78m.
You don't get the odds that are listed when you bet.
Edit the final odds are listed at the start of the thread. That's the way of things with a betting pool, you don't really know what you get unless you work out the big betters and bet against them.
If it worked the way a normal bookie does I'd have taken in about 4 billion from a 100mill bet. It can't as there isn't enough iskies in the bookie.
lol nice way guys....where is c08 odds nobody knows...@ big site there is nothibg about forums it says clearly that: 'The odds given at the time of making your bet is not the final odds you will get! Only when betting has closed (after the deadlines listed) will you be able to see the final odds for your bet." anyway cool
Nothing to do with me matey, confused me at first. ITs not that hard, just doesn't work with odds like you'd get from Ladbrokes
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Rgarcia
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Posted - 2011.06.20 17:22:00 -
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So how do you respond to a rigged bet? All the hydra and outbreak ppl who wons untold amounts of isk because they fixed the match, why do you even pay them since it was fixed? What is your respond the all the people who lost isk?
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TornSoul
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.20 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Thanat0s
lol nice way guys....where is c08 odds nobody knows...@ big site there is nothibg about forums it says clearly that: 'The odds given at the time of making your bet is not the final odds you will get! Only when betting has closed (after the deadlines listed) will you be able to see the final odds for your bet." anyway cool
It does also say the following right below the table for C08 bets
Quote:
If there are 4 or less teams listed, and they all end up in the semi-finals - Then odds will be 1. If only one of the listed teams ends up in the semi-finals - Then odds will be the max value listed for that team. If some of the listed teams ends up in the semi-finals, and some don't - Then odds will be somewhere between 1 and the max value for a given team. Expect odds to end up being much closer to 1 than to the max listed values.
I agree it can be confusing - But thats just the way it is. I try to explain it - But if people don't read...
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TornSoul
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.20 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Rgarcia So how do you respond to a rigged bet? All the hydra and outbreak ppl who wons untold amounts of isk because they fixed the match, why do you even pay them since it was fixed? What is your respond the all the people who lost isk?
This has been asked in previous AT's as well.
My response is I'm not touching it.
It's a grey area, and I think this is the first time ever that we've had what I'd call 100% confirmation that a given match was actually rigged.
Other times one have been 95% certain, other times again 80% etc... (yet if you ask different people you'll get different percentages)
Bottom line is - You bet on a team to win. If they did they did, if they didn't they didn't.
The final result is the final result, regardless how it was achieved.
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Rgarcia
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Posted - 2011.06.20 17:38:00 -
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My response is I'm not touching it.
I think this is the first time ever that we've had what I'd call 100% confirmation that a given match was actually rigged.
Nice to know. Looks like you will be losing tons of future betters and have "Gooned" the current ones. Nice.
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TornSoul
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.20 17:48:00 -
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I suggest you put your thinking hat on for awhile and think it through.
*IF* I was to decide if a given match was rigged or not - and cancel (return) bets if I decided it was, what do you think would happen?
Every single loser would mail me and say the match was obviously rigged (and they'd have logs, and screenshots and what not to "prove it"), and they should have their ISK back.
And they would scream and cry and whine if I *dared* disagree with them. As would those who had won, if I cancelled their bets.
That would pretty much make running a betting service impossible. I wouldn't even try.
So no - I'm not touching it.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.06.20 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Rgarcia My response is I'm not touching it.
I think this is the first time ever that we've had what I'd call 100% confirmation that a given match was actually rigged.
Nice to know. Looks like you will be losing tons of future betters and have "Gooned" the current ones. Nice.
What is the result CCP says is the result?
Game over - literally.
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Saint Lazarus
Pwn 'N Play Chaos Theory Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.20 19:34:00 -
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Thanks again for great service, I 100% support the decision not to touch rigged matches, its nothing to do with him or BIG.
You bet on a team to win, how they do so is irrelevent.
Dont change a dam thing.
Also are all bets paid out yet? -----------------
My EvE Comic
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TornSoul
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.21 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Lazarus
Also are all bets paid out yet?
Should be.
Sounds like you think you might be missing some?
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StarCasher
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:00:00 -
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No reply in game so posting here instead. Copy of mail sent to Big Games.
AT9 Bets missing From: StarCasher Sent: 2011.06.20 18:15 To: BIG Games,
Hi I made the following bets
2011.06.11 1330 100mil AT9-B0506 (ushra'khan to make it to knockouts) - Not paid.
2011.06.11 1333 50mil AT9-B0606 (Ushra'khan to make semi finals) - No win (for refference only).
2011.06.11 1334 20mil AT9-B0566 (Hydra Reloaded to make semi finals) - Not paid.
2011.06.19 19.57 10mil AT9-D1067 (Darkside to win semi final match) - No win (for reference only).
2011.06.19 1958 20mil AT9-D1166 (Hydra Reloaded to win semi final match) - Paid 2011.06.20 1142 24mil(ish).
2011.06.19 2039 50mil AT9-E1266 (Hydra reloaded to win tournament) - Paid 2011.06.20 1144 72mil(ish).
All payments were sent to this toon and in the correct manner and on time. Your site does not show my 2 unpaid bets and I have received no winning on them either. Though my wallet and im sure yours also so these transactions. Im sure this is simply an over site on your part.
Can you respond asap. Many thanks in advance StarCasher.
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TornSoul
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.26 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: StarCasher No reply in game so posting here instead. Copy of mail sent to Big Games. 2011.06.11 1330 100mil AT9-B0506 (ushra'khan to make it to knockouts) - Not paid. 2011.06.11 1334 20mil AT9-B0566 (Hydra Reloaded to make semi finals) - Not paid.
Sorry for not getting back to you yet, but I don't check on "BIG Games" daily.
I've checked my wallet journal, and both of the above have been entered into the BIG Lottery due to incorrect reason text.
Reason text :
DESC: 'AT9-B0506 ' DESC: 'AT9-B0566 '
Note the ' at the beginning (and end - and also extraneous space)
The text *has* to be exactly as stipulated on the betting site, as otherwise the automatic program can't parse it correctly, and thus defaults it to BIG Lottery tickets.
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StarCasher
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.06.26 19:11:00 -
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I did a copy and paste from your website bet calc, so thought these were all done correct.
If you can not pay out these bets then fingers crossed I win the lottery ===============================================
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