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Cornwalace
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.27 23:26:00 -
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I am looking at purchasing the necessary video card to allow me to get back into Eve without having to borrow someone else's computer that play's Eve. My computer does not have the Shader Model 3 requirements that Eve requires. Googling it just brought up old posts from thousands of different forums with the same Shader Model 3 question that had been asked years ago, making that hardware answer, possibly obselete today. If someone could point me in the right direction, it would be much appreciated.
Thank you. |
Relicc
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2011.09.27 23:33:00 -
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How much is inexpensive? You can get a Nvidia GT520 for around 50 dollars on Newegg.com. |
Cornwalace
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.27 23:35:00 -
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Relicc wrote:How much is inexpensive? I mean, you can get a Nvidia GT520 for around 50 dollars.
That's around what I was looking for. I just want the happy medium between price and necessity for the game. I don't wanna get a video card that's just about to get obselete, but, I'm not looking for some super-awesome video card that lets me see inside the window's of the ships. |
Callic Veratar
Power of the Phoenix
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Posted - 2011.09.28 15:44:00 -
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Depending on the age of your system, you're going to want to check the type of card you'll need. It's possible that you might still have an old AGP, instead of a PCI-E port.
If that's the case, you can still get AGP cards for ~$50. I'd recommend any of the GeForce 6200 card, since they're the best ones that're still available.
That being said, AGP *is* obsolete, so you might be better off saving up a few hundred dollars and getting a new low end system... |
NeoShocker
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.09.28 16:00:00 -
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Callic Veratar wrote:Depending on the age of your system, you're going to want to check the type of card you'll need. It's possible that you might still have an old AGP, instead of a PCI-E port. If that's the case, you can still get AGP cards for ~$50. I'd recommend any of the GeForce 6200 card, since they're the best ones that're still available. That being said, AGP *is* obsolete, so you might be better off saving up a few hundred dollars and getting a new low end system...
Agreed with what this guy said. Post like this belongs in OoPE btw. OP, it will help a lot if you post your current system specs, your actual price range you can spend on, etc. More details, the better we'll be able to help out. :-) |
mechtech
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2011.09.28 18:17:00 -
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AGP card: 4650 (best AGP card you can get?) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125281
PCIE card: 6750 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161379
The 6750 is absolutely an amazing value or the price. It will max out eve, and will be sure to run whatever engine upgrades come to the game for some time to come. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
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Posted - 2011.09.28 18:27:00 -
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I would pick the 6770 instead the 6750. it's just a bit more expensive and well worth it. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Orlacc
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.28 18:53:00 -
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For AGP I would recommend this if you can find one: HD3850 |
Cornwalace
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.28 21:35:00 -
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I decided on this. I'm unsure if it's a good choice or not, but, if I do find an alternative, I will definitely consider it. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.09.28 23:31:00 -
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Anyway, you might want to take a look at this first: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1559734&page=1#7 Obviously, the table is slightly obsolete even if only about 2 months have passed, since prices change all the time, and new cards come up quite often - but you should have enough resources that would help you to recreate the same tables with current values.
The price/performance curve at any given time is usually quite close to exponential (not so much a graph as a scatter-plot, but you get the idea) - at very low prices, even a tiny bit of extra spent will get you a lot more performance, but as prices get higher, more and more cash buy you less and less power. Also, when plotting the performance of cards of a certain price or the price of cards of a certain performance against time, that curve is also usually quite close to exponential.
Where exactly on any of those curves might be the "sweet spot", that differs from person to person, it's not an "universal truth". Still, I would stay away both from very cheap and very expensive cards, try to pick something somewhere in the 70$-130$ region (or even a bit higher). http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
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Cherry Nobyl
Shadow Strike Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.09.28 23:36:00 -
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Cornwalace wrote:I decided on this. I'm unsure if it's a good choice or not, but, if I do find an alternative, I will definitely consider it.
without more information on the system you wish to apply it too, any back patting would be uninformed and unreasonable.
if you really want some help, tell us about your system. what are you putting this card into? |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.09.28 23:58:00 -
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Cornwalace wrote:I decided on this. I'm unsure if it's a good choice or not, but, if I do find an alternative, I will definitely consider it. A Nvidia GT 520 should give you 35-40 FPS in space in a moderately busy undock grid for a single client at fullHD resolution and near-max graphic detail settings (everything on highest except AA which would be disabled) and about 10-15 FPS in CQ under similar conditions.
Obviously, lowering details (or display resolution) will improve FPS. Disabling shadows gives the best overall performance boost, disabling post-processing (mainly bloom) will give the second-best performance boost, with minimal overall visual quality degradation.
The GT 520 costs about 50$ (give or take) for that "meh" performance of let's call it 38 FPS. Alternatively, a GT 440 starting at about 80$ (*1.6 price) will give you roughly 86 FPS (~*2.2 FPS). However, a 130$ GTX 550 Ti (*2.6 price vs 520 ; ~*1.6 vs 440) will offer you about 188 FPS (~*5 FPS vs 520 ; ~*2.1 vs 440).
Then again, the power needs are also radically different, so the latter cards will cost more in terms of electricity to operate (and if you do some heavy-duty gaming, that's not negligible, but at least it's spread out) and even maybe you will need a new power source to handle it (depends on the PSU you have now and what else you have in your machine).
So, you know... whatever floats your boat. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.29 00:45:00 -
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Cornwalace wrote:Relicc wrote:How much is inexpensive? I mean, you can get a Nvidia GT520 for around 50 dollars. That's around what I was looking for. I just want the happy medium between price and necessity for the game. I don't wanna get a video card that's just about to get obselete, but, I'm not looking for some super-awesome video card that lets me see inside the window's of the ships.
Then bump your budget to about $100 and you're golden.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
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Posted - 2011.09.29 01:48:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Cornwalace wrote:Relicc wrote:How much is inexpensive? I mean, you can get a Nvidia GT520 for around 50 dollars. That's around what I was looking for. I just want the happy medium between price and necessity for the game. I don't wanna get a video card that's just about to get obselete, but, I'm not looking for some super-awesome video card that lets me see inside the window's of the ships. Then bump your budget to about $100 and you're golden.
indeed the 100$ bracket is full of great cards. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Cornwalace
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.29 05:05:00 -
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Thank you. I've seen it before, and going over it again now. You've helped me alot with that guide in the past, and now.
Cherry Nobyl wrote:Cornwalace wrote:I decided on this. I'm unsure if it's a good choice or not, but, if I do find an alternative, I will definitely consider it. without more information on the system you wish to apply it too, any back patting would be uninformed and unreasonable. if you really want some help, tell us about your system. what are you putting this card into?
As far as specs for the computer I found a link to all the details - Here. The only significant change from the link is that I increased it to 2GB Ram about a year ago. I intend to build my own in the near future, but, I don't think this computer needs to be put to pasture just yet, although I fully intend to build a completely new one from scratch over the next few months.
If it's suggested that I simply get a better graphics card and aim for something approximately $100, or if the one I'm currently purchasing is too overpowered for my desktop, I will definitely return the one I linked earlier. I appreciate any further help. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.29 05:33:00 -
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ATI 5770, 6770 Nvidia 550, 550TI, 560
IIRC the Nvidia 520 is terrible and i would avoid it at all cost..
your best bet in the end is to buy a new computer though
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Cornwalace
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.29 05:40:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:ATI 5770, 6770 Nvidia 550, 550TI, 560
IIRC the Nvidia 520 is terrible and i would avoid it at all cost..
your best bet in the end is to buy a new computer though
I want this computer to allow me to take care of skill-training, marketing, dual-box if needed.
A new computer is in my future, but, until then, I want to be able to do those things. |
Cherry Nobyl
Shadow Strike Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.09.29 06:39:00 -
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Cornwalace wrote:Thank you. I've seen it before, and going over it again now. You've helped me alot with that guide in the past, and now. Cherry Nobyl wrote:Cornwalace wrote:I decided on this. I'm unsure if it's a good choice or not, but, if I do find an alternative, I will definitely consider it. without more information on the system you wish to apply it too, any back patting would be uninformed and unreasonable. if you really want some help, tell us about your system. what are you putting this card into? As far as specs for the computer I found a link to all the details - Here. The only significant change from the link is that I increased it to 2GB Ram about a year ago. I intend to build my own in the near future, but, I don't think this computer needs to be put to pasture just yet, although I fully intend to build a completely new one from scratch over the next few months. If it's suggested that I simply get a better graphics card and aim for something approximately $100, or if the one I'm currently purchasing is too overpowered for my desktop, I will definitely return the one I linked earlier. I appreciate any further help.
the thing that hits me is this : power supply -300 watts. on an o.e.m. machine like gateway, i wouldn't expect all that much from it either. you may find this to be a problem after installation, you may not.
rather than the 520, i'd suggest something like this : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121471 for only a few dollars more. a much heavier bang for the buck, that should still theoretically be in range for you.
/2 isk.
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Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.09.29 07:51:00 -
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If a new computer is in the works I'd go for the cheapest option and save the money for the final system.
It also bears considering that CCP and NVIDIA have a good relationship and that often NVIDIA cards run more smoothly then ATI's, sadly enough. I have an ATI myself (6970) which performs very well also with dual box on max settings, but if you buy a low end GPU I'd go for a NVIDIA to take advantage of this. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
tika te
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.29 10:27:00 -
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consider: -psu with only 300W output -older chipset with pci-w 1.1 only (not really a problem here)
-> go for radeon HD 6750/ HD6670 or geforce GT550Ti/ GT450 perhaps even a model with less power consuption.
be warned that the cards from this price segmet won't be able to handle newer games above resolutions of 1680x1050 well...
i'd say try to save some money for a up-to-date (low-end?) system rather than keeping a "half-dead" system alive... |
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
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Posted - 2011.09.29 11:16:00 -
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Just bought a 6850 mostly for battlefield 3 and its amazing runs everything on my PC at 1920X at around 60+ FPS, and should do the same for this year's releases.
Its not so cheap but if you want a bit more future proof it should last a bit longer than the current $50 cards, the difference is only a few months subscription, pay eve with a few plex and the difference is gone. |
stoicfaux
249
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Posted - 2011.09.29 14:59:00 -
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factual statement: Tom's Hardware keeps an updated list of best graphics cards for various cost brackets ( http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-performance-radeon-geforce,3018.html ) and compares a huge number of graphics cards per game/app type: http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/graphics-cards,1.html
factual statement: You can also glean ideas from the "System Builder Marathon articles in which gaming PCs are built for certain budget levels: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-ii-overclock-graphics-card,3032.html Meaning, it explains why a particular component was chosen and what its advantages or disadvantages are. There's also a performance comparison between the low, medium and high budget builds.
sincerity: I rely heavily on this site to determine components when it comes time to upgrade Ye Olde PC. |
Cornwalace
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.29 18:13:00 -
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Cherry Nobyl wrote:the thing that hits me is this : power supply -300 watts. on an o.e.m. machine like gateway, i wouldn't expect all that much from it either. you may find this to be a problem after installation, you may not. rather than the 520, i'd suggest something like this : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121471for only a few dollars more. a much heavier bang for the buck, that should still theoretically be in range for you. /2 isk.
I like the idea. If the card is too overpowered for my computer, my next course of action is getting some sort of power-supply / video card (in the $100 range that's future proof for the next few years at least) combo. |
Cornwalace
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.01 03:02:00 -
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Cornwalace wrote:I decided on this. I'm unsure if it's a good choice or not, but, if I do find an alternative, I will definitely consider it.
Just got it in the mail earlier today from Amazon since it was cheaper there. Working like a charm. Thanks. |
Spineker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.01 04:09:00 -
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What a great thread good to know can take a little older system and get more life out of it for 50 to 100 bucks!
Thanks for all the comments think I may upgrade one more time before replacing my system.
For the record I have a dual core 3.06 with 6 gigs ram and an old 8800GTS 640 EVGA card that has rocked for years but is dying. About 4 years old I think I got my 900 dollars out of the system. But if I could get a new card and last another 6 months or more I will replace the entire setup I think it is worth 50 to 100 bucks for that.
Don't want to drop a 1000 dollars at the moment. |
Admiral Ripstar
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.01 04:48:00 -
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Why not just buy a better computer? Why are you tripping over 100 bucks? |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.01 05:15:00 -
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i dont know your PSU and how much the rest of your rig looks, but for EVE only ATI 6750 or Nvidia 550ti will be perfect. ( assuming u dont want to dual box CQ on max settings or something. also when you get a new PC you can remove the card and put in your new rig, if your smart get a motherboard with an extra expansion slow so you can crossfire/sli 2 of the cards next time. |
Cornwalace
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.12.22 19:27:00 -
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I just wanted to bump this thread to let others know that the video card is still going strong. |
Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2011.12.22 19:46:00 -
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You can listen to people and their opinions all you want. You might be warned against mine in a thread dealing with New Eden here or there. However, there is one important fact you need to look at;
Using a graphics card that consumes more power than the rails on your PS put out will result in system failure.
You have to read the specs of the power supply, and the specs of the video card. I looked at the specs you gave and the PS only said "300 watts" so I looked it up...
Quote:- Voltage: +3.3V (13A); +5V (13A); +12V1 (16A); +12V2 (16A); -12V (0.8A); +5VSB (2.5A) Gateway GT5620 Power Supply Replacement
So you can use a 192 watt video card. Anything bigger will kill your PS, and possibly mobo.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
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Posted - 2011.12.22 19:50:00 -
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Best thing about having a good aftermarket video card in your older computer is when you do decide to upgrade to a newer PC, you won't have to buy another video card for a while. I mean, sure, there are tons of people who want the latest and greatest, but if a video card suits you for what you play and how you play, it can last for years.
I used a nVidia 8600GT in my computers for years, suited me for what I wanted. Mind you, I am not the type to have to have the best looking graphics... just a nice frame rate and looking half way decent. I don't even turn on shadows in games most times, or mess with high detail lighting, lol. Anyway, I gave that computer to my mother a couple years ago when I scraped the cash together to build a new one. The card is still going strong.
Spending a little more for a video card now will pay for itself over time if you're satisfied with how your games play on that card. And oh yeah, Newegg is awesome. Buy all my parts there. ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o )
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