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tartan pixie
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.05.27 11:27:00 -
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Edited by: tartan pixie on 27/05/2011 11:27:22
Hi all, I'm looking for advice on a new graphics card that'll be good enough to play eve.
Current machine specs are: AMD Phenom 9550 quad core 2.2GHz processor 4Gb ram foxconn n15235 motherboard windows vista, 32 bit (soon to be win 7, 64 bit) ATI Radeon X1200 series graphics, think this must be onboard as I can't see any cards plugged in to the motherboard. (shader model 2)
Cheap is good as I don't have much money at the moment, that said if there's a good reason for using a more expensive card please state what that reason is.
Software wise the only game I play is eve but I do use photoshop and premiere a lot, and have plans to start using the entire adobe master collection for animation and video FX, generally the comp handles adobe ok but any extra oomph is good.
When I bought the computer a few years ago it said something about 512k graphics ram, not sure what this is or if it's relevant to the question but saying just in case.
Many thanks in advance and if there's any other relevant specs then just ask and I'll be happy to dig them out.
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AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.05.27 11:56:00 -
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Adobe and Nvidia work very well together.
The cheapest card which gives you GPU acceleration in Master Collection, is the GeForce GTX 470.
If you can find one, you could also use the GeForce GTX 285, if you google around, you might be able to get a good deal or go 2nd hand.
It will also allow you to play EVE at high settings.
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Dray
Caldari Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.05.27 12:01:00 -
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Saw your post and thought I'd take a look, first off what I thought would be a couple of minutes of my time to help a fellow player in his hour of tech need turned into 20 mins of deciphering "n15235", whatever it is it isn't your mobo name, the closest I got was this A690VM2MA-8KRS2H, if if you look closely at this enlarged image you will see "N15235" printed just below the yellow PCIe slot.
So as its micro form factor you will be limited by size of gfx card as to what you can purchase for it.
I'm referring this thread to a friend for more advice as he's purchased and built a couple of micro ATX pc's, he should be able to help you more.
In the mean time I'm printing out a pic of your avatar to use as toilet paper for sucking me in.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.05.27 12:26:00 -
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Edited by: Alpheias on 27/05/2011 12:25:53 How about a Geforce 460 GTX 1GB?
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Reiisha
EVE University
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Posted - 2011.05.27 12:46:00 -
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With that CPU, a GeForce GTX260 will be more than good enough. It's not made anymore but you should be able to find one cheap somewhere, here for example if you're in the US.
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Amaroq Dricaldari
Amarr Vengeance Industrial Militia
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Posted - 2011.05.27 12:57:00 -
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Speaking of which, how much would a high-end Nividia GPU cost? My current GPU is an ATI Radeon HD 4670 1 Gigabyte DirectX10 Video Card. I want to switch to Nvidia because I want a GPU with a PhysX CPU, that way I can play Unreal Tournament 3 without killing my computer. Also, does Nvidia produce DX11 cards?
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Akita T
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Posted - 2011.05.27 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Amaroq Dricaldari does Nvidia produce DX11 cards? how much would a high-end Nividia GPU cost?
4xx and 5xx are both DX11-capable series.
The entry level GeForce GT 520 starts at around 55$, but it's quite horrid performance-wise. The lowest performance ones you might get yourself to call "high end" (more like high mid-end, but eh, that's where stuff starts) is a 460 GTX.
The 1GB versions of a GeForce GTX 460 start at around 160$, while the GeForce GTX 560 costs around 190$, with the latter being much better off in price/performance ratio, the 560 being basically a replacement for the older GeForce GTX 470 which you will have trouble finding at all (if you do, it will be either rather expensive, from 260$ upwards... or if cheap, then it's used/refurbished). The GeForce GTX 560 Ti is at around 250$, and it almost but not quite matches the performance of a GeForce GTX 480 (at 300$ and upwards), while a GeForce GTX 570 (at around 320$) easily beats both. The current single-cheap leader in the NVIDIA family is the GeForce GTX 580, which you can find starting at around 470$. The GeForce GTX 590 is basically 2x GeForce GTX 580 on a single board, noticeably factory-underclocked to prevent heat issues, and you might find some starting at around 720$.
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Amaroq Dricaldari
Amarr Vengeance Industrial Militia
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Posted - 2011.05.27 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T 4xx and 5xx are both DX11-capable series.
The entry level GeForce GT 520 starts at around 55$, but it's quite horrid performance-wise. The lowest performance ones you might get yourself to call "high end" (more like high mid-end, but eh, that's where stuff starts) is a 460 GTX.
The 1GB versions of a GeForce GTX 460 start at around 160$, while the GeForce GTX 560 costs around 190$, with the latter being much better off in price/performance ratio, the 560 being basically a replacement for the older GeForce GTX 470 which you will have trouble finding at all (if you do, it will be either rather expensive, from 260$ upwards... or if cheap, then it's used/refurbished). The GeForce GTX 560 Ti is at around 250$, and it almost but not quite matches the performance of a GeForce GTX 480 (at 300$ and upwards), while a GeForce GTX 570 (at around 320$) easily beats both. The current single-cheap leader in the NVIDIA family is the GeForce GTX 580, which you can find starting at around 470$. The GeForce GTX 590 is basically 2x GeForce GTX 580 on a single board, noticeably factory-underclocked to prevent heat issues, and you might find some starting at around 720$.
****. I will never be able to afford that. But how would you compare the performance between a GeForce GTX 590 and two GeForce GTX 580s?
Also, my GPU has a cooling fan on it, do these have cooling fans? The reason my computer was overheating at first was because the cooling fan on my GPU wasn't plugged in all of the way.
Also, can I contact Nvidia and give them suggestions to make their products better? Or do they have a forum or something? ____________ ___853713___ ^^My Signature is Better than Yours^^ |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.05.27 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 27/05/2011 13:35:34 _
All high-end GPUs eat up a truckload of power (the 1 GB 460 around 160W, 470 around 215W, 560 around 150W, 560 Ti around 170W, 580 around 240W, 590 around 360W), so ALL of them are actively cooled. Quite a few have TWO fans on them.
590 is more or less on par with 2x 560 Ti, raw performance-wise, and only people that want to SLI mode several 590 should even bother with it (otherwise just stick with a couple of the ones on the lower scale).
Originally by: Amaroq Dricaldari Also, can I contact Nvidia and give them suggestions to make their products better? Or do they have a forum or something?
Are you just trolling now or really THAT conceited ? What suggestions could you possibly give them they haven't already thought about and also received hundreds of times over ? Are you perhaps a genius engineer looking for work ? _
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DuffmanPeter
Perpetua Umbra Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.05.27 14:04:00 -
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My recommendations:
Ati: 6850 ($160), 5830 ($99), 5850 ($150)
Great budget card: http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-PCI-Express-Graphics-100282XTREME/dp/B004W75ATI
Nvidia: 460 1GB is not always necessary. 768MB version can be had for 89-99, just have to look around for deals.
If I was buying a card I would get that 5850 extreme. Better clocks than a 6850 and a little cheaper. If you still want cheaper get a 5830 or a 460 768MB version. Look around for deals. They crop up a lot.
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Amaroq Dricaldari
Amarr Vengeance Industrial Militia
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Posted - 2011.05.27 14:05:00 -
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Edited by: Amaroq Dricaldari on 27/05/2011 14:07:01
Originally by: Akita T Are you just trolling now or really THAT conceited ? What suggestions could you possibly give them they haven't already thought about and also received hundreds of times over ? Are you perhaps a genius engineer looking for work?
Not exactly trolling... I am just starting to get tired of keeping all of my ideas cooped up in my head. That's all.
I know how to make electronics that don't overheat, at least not on their own. All you have to do is make them out of thin boards of carbon. Originally by: Akita T A Radeon HD 5770 might not quite be on par with a 1GB 460 GTX, but it's quite sufficient for a decent selection of modern games (and can handle even two EVE clients at respectable settings with a decent FPS level), and starts at around 115$, while also using only around 110W of power tops.
If even that is too much, how about a 1GB Radeon HD 6570 ? It should handle a single EVE client nicely enough, starts at around 75$ and only uses up around 60W of power. It's still the very least 30% faster than your current 4670 card (most likely more than just 30%) and supports DirectX 11, OpenGL 4.1 and OpenCL 1.1.
Wait, why does the version with a igher number cost less? Wouldn't it be the later version or something? ____________ ___361897___ ^^My Signature is Better than Yours^^ |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.05.27 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 27/05/2011 14:18:00
Originally by: Amaroq Dricaldari I know how to make electronics that don't overheat, at least not on their own. All you have to do is make them out of thin boards of carbon.
Dude, these are chips that have a 40nm fabrication process and have either 2 or 3 Billion transistors on a square that's smaller than one inch in size. We're dealing with quantum mechanics effects here, tunneling being the main factor in heat production already. THAT tiny less-than-one-inch square is the one that's eating up the vast majority of the power needed for the entire board.
Originally by: Amaroq Dricaldari Wait, why does the version with a igher number cost less? Wouldn't it be the later version or something?
It's not exactly a version number. The first digit represents generation, the next 3 digits represents version. When comparing performance (and trying to guesstimate price), you usually discount the generation number, and look just at the version number. In this case, (5)770 is "better"//faster than a (6)570, but the latter has more features.
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Caleidascope
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.05.28 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: AlleyKat
If you can find one, you could also use the GeForce GTX 285, if you google around, you might be able to get a good deal or go 2nd hand.
New GTX 285: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=N285GTX-SUPERPIPE-OC&cat=VCD Says you need 575W power supply with 42A on 12V rail. OP might need to upgrade the power supply too. Also check eBay, often enough you can get it there cheaper.
As far as cheap, you can still get GeForce 8400 cards.
Mid range, GeForce 9800GT and GTS 250.
If you want DX11, you have to go to 4xx and later series of nVidia cards.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.28 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Alpheias Edited by: Alpheias on 27/05/2011 12:25:53 How about a Geforce 460 GTX 1GB?
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Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
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Posted - 2011.05.28 22:17:00 -
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Does anyone have a PCI Nvidia 8400GS graphic card they want to exchange or sell? I say PCI 8400GS as it is the only non PCI Express Nvidia graphics card that does CUDA that I need for video conversion. It is for an HP XW6000 workstation I have got my mits on.
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Reiisha
EVE University
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Posted - 2011.05.30 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Amaroq Dricaldari I want to switch to Nvidia because I want a GPU with a PhysX CPU, that way I can play Unreal Tournament 3 without killing my computer.
I have a 3.2 Ghz Single Core CPU
That's what's killing your framerate right there. The newest single core CPU i can think of is either a P4 or an Athlon, both of which are horribly outdated. A new GPU will not help you in any way, since you're very very heavily CPU bottlenecked. You can put a quad-SLI GTX580 setup in there and you'll still get crappy framerates in any game since your CPU is pretty damn slow.
It might not seem that slow since it's "about as fast" as newer CPU's in terms of GHz, but it lacks the efficiency and instruction sets that have been refined and added over the years to newer multicore cpu's. Even if you'd disable the other 3 cores on an i5 2500k, it would still be at least 4 times as fast than your current single core even though the i5 is clocked at 3.3GHz.
The HD 4000 series is prone to get incredibly hot. The only thing you can do here is make sure your case has a good airflow and that you remove dust regularly. Dust is a real killer of heat efficiency. Try undusting your PC properly and see what that does for your framerates, i bet you're running up to the heat limiter of the card because of the dust buildup.
And lastly - UT3 is ridiculously well-optimized, despite it being a console focused game in a lot of ways. You should be able to run it at 1920x1080 with ultra detail at a comfortable framerate (30-40), even more if you turn it down a bit, hence i'm pretty sure it's your cpu and/or the dust buildup.
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Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
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Posted - 2011.05.30 18:28:00 -
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^^ Yes give a PC a good clean every 4-6 months to rid fans of dust. And if you have a dandruff problem then every 3 months
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.05.30 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Vogue ^^ Yes give a PC a good clean every 4-6 months to rid fans of dust. And if you have a dandruff problem then every 3 months
If you smoke heavily, more like once a month. Trust me on that, I have practical experience.
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Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
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Posted - 2011.05.30 20:33:00 -
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I smoke as well in my computer room. I brought a pair of air ionizer, cleaner fans. Which have the additional curious feature of doing electrical sparks inside now and then.
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