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Azrael Dinn
The 20th Legion Mildly Sober
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Posted - 2012.09.08 12:07:00 -
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Topic says it all.
Why:
1. You are not playing the game but yet you still are
2. Your getting an indirect benefits in many ways and your still not playing the game
I don't realy care how this is dealt with. My solution would be a heavy water fuel bay to the claoks but thats my idea.
Now lets hear the whines next. |
Arduemont
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
264
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Posted - 2012.09.08 18:05:00 -
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There is a search function on this forum. Try looking up how often this has come up before starting a new one, otherwise we end up saying the same things as before over and over.
Just go back and read the old threads (all 30 or so of them in which this gets shot down). |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1289
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Posted - 2012.09.08 22:32:00 -
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Can you come up with a way to do this (removing afk cloaking) that does not hurt active cloakers?
So far no one has. |
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
676
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Posted - 2012.09.10 01:57:00 -
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so i decided to try this "afk cloaking thing" that people clearly think is an exploit so i figure i'l get rich doing it. I set my alarm to wake up right after downtime and undock from jita in a stealth bomber with nothing but a cloak eagerly awaiting isk and rage mails saying why they think I am cheating or a bad person.
so i warp to a safe and cloak then go back to bed, i woke up with no mails or isk =( so i guess i have to stay there longer I left my computer on till downtime again, didn't touch anything other then chat a bit in corp chat. nothing happened even the next day which i did it again. there seems to be no exploit or issue
therefore, afk cloaking isn't a problem. |
Lady Hanguko
Suicide Lemmings
2
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Posted - 2012.09.10 07:44:00 -
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NO, no, and no. Ever hear of psychological warfare? well, just cause u never encountered it, doesn't mean its not an effective tactic. Grab the enemy by the balls, squeeze REAAAL tight... and then u put a cherry on a cake, and put a few cloaked ships afk, in their remaining HQ systems.... OH yeah, i can hear their tears in the cold vacuum of space.
Bad idea, to deny that. |
Azrael Dinn
The 20th Legion Mildly Sober
9
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Posted - 2012.09.10 08:29:00 -
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Lady Hanguko wrote:NO, no, and no. Ever hear of psychological warfare? well, just cause u never encountered it, doesn't mean its not an effective tactic. Grab the enemy by the balls, squeeze REAAAL tight... and then u put a cherry on a cake, and put a few cloaked ships afk, in their remaining HQ systems.... OH yeah, i can hear their tears in the cold vacuum of space.
Bad idea, to deny that.
Yes I have and I want that part of the gameplay be active and not "have fun with my alt, I'll go make isks elsewhere while you look at my alt there."
See now the key word: Active gameplay. Which seems to be something CCP also likes.
Going AFK is not active gameplay. I don't mind the cloakers or the people who cloak up and do psychological warfare. It's a real fun part of the game but I HATE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT PLAYING THE GAME BUT ARE STILL PLAYING THE GAME even though they can be at the mall buying **** films or something else. |
Lady Hanguko
Suicide Lemmings
2
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Posted - 2012.09.10 08:57:00 -
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Sup
Here my reason why id argue its legit with regards to "active gameplay" . The Corp that is being greefed this way, deserves it. Its a valid mechanic. They allowed them self to be in such a situation. It wouldn't be fair for the attacker to "suffer" boredom in afk psycho-war. An attacker by that point, has the right to make an enemy suffer, while retaining the flexibility of time to go about their life, and leaving afk boats to discourage the enemy. That right was earned by superior balls&tactics, whatever else to do that.
Truth is, there are more reasons too. For example, ure in 0 sec, and gate is being camped on both sides. U ether a hunter, an explorer, or maybe even a daring trader in a cloaked Indy. The game shouldn't force u to be online for next 50 years the gate be camped. U should be able to go afk, and return later to see if ur chases to make a ran for it, has improved.
There are more there it came from. On the other hand, i do agree that cloak needs an effective counter, a way decloak an enemy, some other way then drone swarm, something more dependable. Maybe a new anti-cloak probe, or even a special ship that specializes in anti-recon activities... donno.
0/ |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
86
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Posted - 2012.09.10 09:42:00 -
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If AFK is the problem because they are not playing while "playing" then Add fuel needs to drones so people can't AFK missions Add fuel needs to mining lasers so people can't AFK mine Add fees to sit in stations so people can't AFK in station And add an auto log timer so that if you are AFK for more than 15 min you get logged out. That should suitably counter all AFK activities |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
292
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Posted - 2012.09.10 11:23:00 -
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Azrael Dinn wrote:Topic says it all.
Why:
1. You are not playing the game but yet you still are
2. Your getting an indirect benefits in many ways and your still not playing the game
I don't realy care how this is dealt with. My solution would be a heavy water fuel bay to the claoks but thats my idea.
Now lets hear the whines next.
I think you've provided enough whines for this thread already Azrael.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
497
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Posted - 2012.09.10 15:09:00 -
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Any "solution" to afk cloaking needs to be careful not to hurt standard cloak operations....
A cloak is a valid tool for hiding from hostiles, for going afk for several minutes to answer the phone, for . . ..
Essentially, balancing it would be very hard and difficult to do!!!!
Add to this, afk cloaking is the only valid manner to counter the nearly-omniscient local chat that is used as an intel tool. Addressing AFK cloaking without addressing "local chat" is like banning legal gun ownership without addressing the high crime rate, or demanding abstinence only education without addressing teen pregnancy, or banning abortion without addressing incest, ****, or legitimate medical concerns... |
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Davon Mandra'thin
Solar Horizon Directive Blue Nation
103
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Posted - 2012.09.10 15:44:00 -
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My god, is this arguement really going on again?
Just give it up. There is nothing wrong with AFK cloakies. If they're afk then they can't hurt you, if they're not then they would suffer fromt he stupid ideas people come up with the hurt the AFK ones.
Just give it up. There is nothing wrong with AFK cloakies. |
Dramaticus
Goonswarm Federation
279
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Posted - 2012.09.10 18:05:00 -
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Did you know that in almost a decade of EVE Online, not a single person has died to an AFK cloaker? This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
Belshazzar Babylon
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
75
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Posted - 2012.09.11 01:19:00 -
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[Proposal] do not allow new post with the words AFK Cloaker in the title or opening post. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
871
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Posted - 2012.09.11 02:18:00 -
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CCP should provide star trek tricorder scanning for life signs in front of the monitor. If they are none the cloak would disengage automatically. a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1301
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Posted - 2012.09.11 03:34:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:CCP should provide star trek tricorder scanning for life signs in front of the monitor. If they are none the cloak would disengage automatically. They have those now... sort off.
Nowhere near as compact and multipurpose. |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Elysian Empire
372
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Posted - 2012.09.11 13:00:00 -
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Azrael Dinn wrote:Topic says it all.
Why:
1. You are not playing the game but yet you still are
2. Your getting an indirect benefits in many ways and your still not playing the game
I don't realy care how this is dealt with. My solution would be a heavy water fuel bay to the claoks but thats my idea.
Now lets hear the whines next.
Oh boy it's another nullbear cry thread.
If you want the rewards of nullsec, deal with the risks, baby.
Requiring fuel or cap usage would destroy legitimate, active cloaking and extended recon deployments. It's a terrible idea, simply awful.
PS: Here's a list of things AFK cloakers have never, and can never, do: Make a single isk Provide intel for their fleet Kill someone Shut down a system or in any other way prevent you from doing whatever you want
Take your battered psyche and go back to hello kitty online if the mere presence of another player scares you so bad |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
749
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:47:00 -
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No.
While they are cloaked and AFK, they can't hurt you. Why? Because they are AFK.
Show us on the doll where the bad AFK cloaker touched you.
HTFU or GTFO.
"War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Kaelie Onren
Nyan Cat Logistics Persona Non Gratis
41
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Posted - 2012.09.11 16:04:00 -
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these AFK cloaker whiner threads are a staple of eve-o. Every post bashing the notion just gives birth to new fanatic illogical posters on both sides. And there are those like me, who get in just because I like the sound of my own voice... err typing. :) |
Praxis Astra
Smiling Friends Social Club Stealth Syndicate
123
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Posted - 2012.09.11 16:10:00 -
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OK: If someone has something in this game that you don't have that you consider some kind of unfair advantage, the answer isn't to try to get it taken from them. The answer is to go for that thing yourself.
Praxis Astra Master of Assassins and Punctuality http://heartsandmindsalliance.org |
Azrael Dinn
The 20th Legion Mildly Sober
10
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Posted - 2012.09.13 08:23:00 -
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Praxis Astra wrote:OK: If someone has something in this game that you don't have that you consider some kind of unfair advantage, the answer isn't to try to get it taken from them. The answer is to go for that thing yourself.
I'm doing it all the time and still I think it's !"#-ñ%!"#-ñ% retarted that no one has a chance to get me while doing it. |
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TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Elysian Empire
374
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Posted - 2012.09.13 11:03:00 -
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Azrael Dinn wrote:Praxis Astra wrote:OK: If someone has something in this game that you don't have that you consider some kind of unfair advantage, the answer isn't to try to get it taken from them. The answer is to go for that thing yourself. I'm doing it all the time and still I think it's !"#-ñ%!"#-ñ% retarted that no one has a chance to get me while doing it.
Then you have a terrible understanding of game balance. AFK Cloakers are incapable of any kind of action what-so-ever, for other players to be able to affect them while they themselves are incapable of doing anything is utterly stupid. It's the most basic level game balance imaginable.
Not to mention the fact that all these stupid, stupid ideas about cap/fuel needs, probes to find cloakies, etc would cause even bigger imbalances when it comes to holding/capturing territories in null. It is essential for a dynamic, healthy environment that cloaking exist and allow you such protections (at the sacrifice of absolutely all your own offensive capabilities).
And last but not least, it would utterly destroy wormhole space.
Additionally, you didnt address the points we've raised about how your terrible ideas would ruin legitimate, active cloaking roles.
So to summarise: Stop crying. Man up or go back to hisec, you terrible nullbear.
I respect hisec bears more than you, at least they admit they are risk averse and choose a gameplay style that suits that, rather than crying to change ALL styles of gameplay to suit their carebear ways while masquerading as PVPers |
Azrael Dinn
The 20th Legion Mildly Sober
10
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Posted - 2012.09.13 11:58:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote: Then you have a terrible understanding of game balance....
I respect hisec bears more than you, at least they admit they are risk averse and choose a gameplay style that suits that, rather than crying to change ALL styles of gameplay to suit their carebear ways while masquerading as PVPers
I don't realy care do you respect me or not and even if you don't no one cares :D
And to address something... I tossed the idea of fuelbays in. It's not an terrible idea and I don't need to think about the balance nor do you. CCP needs to, if they are willing to implement something like that into the game. And lets face it. CCP is also saying AFK playing is bad.
So I see AFK cloaking as a bad thing and thats my point of view and I presented one option to address it. If you see it as a good thing cause you want to jack off while playing. Well thats fine. But stop yelling stupid stupid stupid if you don't have anything else to say. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
567
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Posted - 2012.09.17 04:31:00 -
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Nullsec should not be risk free. One of the risks we deal with in nullsec is AFK cloakers. Here's an idea. Fit up an interceptor and learn to catch them on the way in. If they are using nullified T3's learn to use hictors with infinipoints. |
Evanga
Trust Doesn't Rust Against ALL Authorities
21
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Posted - 2012.09.17 06:48:00 -
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Tbh, nothing is wrong with afk cloakers. As stated in this thread, they cant hurt you when they afk.
[troll] So, the thing that has to be done by you is to as followed;
1. Continue ratting 2. Minimize local chat 3. do not and keep an eye out on dscan 4. sent rage mail to the guy when he kills you [/troll]
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Plaude Pollard
Crimson Cartel
76
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Posted - 2012.09.17 18:29:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Just go back and read the old threads (all 30 or so of them in which this gets shot down). There's way more than 30 threads about this topic. Unless you accidentally forgot the 'k' after the number. New to EVE? Want to learn? The Crimson Cartel will train you in the fields of your choice. Mainly active in EU afternoons and evenings. Contact me for more info. |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Elysian Empire
383
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Posted - 2012.09.19 13:14:00 -
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Azrael Dinn wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote: Then you have a terrible understanding of game balance....
I respect hisec bears more than you, at least they admit they are risk averse and choose a gameplay style that suits that, rather than crying to change ALL styles of gameplay to suit their carebear ways while masquerading as PVPers
I don't realy care do you respect me or not and even if you don't no one cares :D And to address something... I tossed the idea of fuelbays in. It's not an terrible idea and I don't need to think about the balance nor do you. CCP needs to, if they are willing to implement something like that into the game. And lets face it. CCP is also saying AFK playing is bad. So I see AFK cloaking as a bad thing and thats my point of view and I presented one option to address it. If you see it as a good thing cause you want to jack off while playing. Well thats fine. But stop yelling stupid stupid stupid if you don't have anything else to say.
Wrong. Fuel (or cap) usage for covert ops ships is an utterly atrocious idea. This is a simple fact. |
betoli
Ketogenic Killzone
46
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Posted - 2012.09.19 15:09:00 -
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Azrael Dinn wrote:Topic says it all.
Why:
1. You are not playing the game but yet you still are
2. Your getting an indirect benefits in many ways and your still not playing the game
I don't realy care how this is dealt with. My solution would be a heavy water fuel bay to the claoks but thats my idea.
Now lets hear the whines next.
Why post a proposal here, when it regularly gets destroyed in discussion 25 times a month?
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TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Elysian Empire
385
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Posted - 2012.09.19 15:36:00 -
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betoli wrote:Azrael Dinn wrote:Topic says it all.
Why:
1. You are not playing the game but yet you still are
2. Your getting an indirect benefits in many ways and your still not playing the game
I don't realy care how this is dealt with. My solution would be a heavy water fuel bay to the claoks but thats my idea.
Now lets hear the whines next. Why post a proposal here, when it regularly gets destroyed in discussion 25 times a month?
I think he should show us on the doll where the AFK player touched him
oh wait he cant because the player was afk. |
Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
512
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Posted - 2012.09.19 15:44:00 -
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One day, I'm going to go back and catalog how many times this topic has been brought up and summarily shot down like a wounded buffalo. That will also be the day I finally lose the last shred of sanity I have. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD |
Alexej
HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
0
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Posted - 2012.09.20 14:10:00 -
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Once upon a time EVE was a fine place for PVP. Then they introduced jump bridges, warp to 0km, sanctums and interdiction nullifiers. If you living in 0.0, you already know how easy to grind ISK unharmed with absolutely zero risk.
For the rest of the people:
Step 1: Get into a large alliance. Step 2: Get a drake. Step 3: Go to a system where you have a lot of sanctums and an online POS. Step 4: Put the local chat in a big window in the middle of your screen. Step 5: If local is clear start to rat in a nice fluffy sanctum. Step 6: If you see anything other than blue in the local window press: warp to POS then GOTO Step 5.
Even if you are a totally stupid idiot you can still avoid being caught. The only way to counter this level of carebearness is semi-AFK cloaking. Logon traps, fast jumps in, directional scans are way too slow methods to catch anyone else than true retards. And you want the only working solution left out of this game. Dear Azrael Dinn, you are an *******. |
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