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Zoroa Aulx-Gao
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.05.30 16:21:00 -
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...whether introducing mirco-transaction items which improve your characters abilities or give you an obvious edge over other players without it/or ships and completed skills books etc would ever be sold?
Perhaps one of you could calm the speculation and hysteria and the bad threads it brings.
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JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.05.30 16:24:00 -
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They have stated it will be only Vanity items.
But no clue as to if that could or would ever change.
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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.05.30 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: Miilla on 30/05/2011 16:27:49
 Originally by: JC Anderson
They have stated it will be only Vanity items.
But no clue as to if that could or would ever change.
They said for now, in future however. Read the Dev Q&A thread for hints clues in their thinking
Well that future depends on the SUCCESS of AURUM items now. If they are a big success, you can be sure, ship vanity items are next.
Then well... keep thinking where that road leads to.
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JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.05.30 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: JC Anderson
They have stated it will be only Vanity items.
But no clue as to if that could or would ever change.
They said for now, in future however.
Well that future depends on the SUCCESS of AURUM items now. If they are a big success, you can be sure, ship vanity items are next.
Then well... keep thinking where that road leads to.
I just re-read the dev blog and hadn't seen the "stripper pole for your CQ" part until this second time.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.05.30 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: JC Anderson
They have stated it will be only Vanity items.
But no clue as to if that could or would ever change.
This. The problem is that once upon a time they dismissed the idea of microtransactions as something they wouldn't do and they initially already tried to implement products other than vanity items, as in plex for remaps. Point being their word isn't worth anything and the speculation is warranted, since they can at any point in time change their minds and it wouldn't be the first time it happens.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.05.30 16:31:00 -
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I will look FABULOUS while you will just look like some sort of commoner. Clearly I shall have an edge over you in the looks department
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Zoroa Aulx-Gao
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Posted - 2011.05.30 16:59:00 -
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I guess this thread isn't likely to achieve it's goal.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.05.30 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Zoroa Aulx-Gao
I guess this thread isn't likely to achieve it's goal.
They also used to promise that Incarna will be fully optional, but look at it now.
Even if you got the super-special mega-secret pinky swear that all MT items will be vanity items now, what good will it do when they change their mind later ?
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Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
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S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2011.05.30 17:03:00 -
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No, we can't. They will just lock this thread and tell you to go discuss it in the dev blog thread. Oh, and they won't give you a response there either because they don't like what the players have been saying, so they're just ignoring us now.
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Swren1
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2011.05.30 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Zoroa Aulx-Gao
I guess this thread isn't likely to achieve it's goal.
No your right it wont, but I'm still going to post and point out that the latest patch is a waist of time and effort.
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.05.30 17:13:00 -
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It's easier for CCP to simply lock threads, moderate or simply ignore it's player base rather than answer their concerns.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.05.30 17:29:00 -
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It is also easier for CCP to just create new content than fixing their old. I bet it's alot more fun too. Hell I wouldn't want to try fix someone elses old mess they left me..
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Tara Wilde
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Posted - 2011.05.30 17:54:00 -
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lol it's about time CCP introduced something to counter the older player advantage. 
Adapt or die, lol
i sure hope they will introduce a "$ for skill points" option with exclusive ships available only to people who are willing to spend real money.
Noone forces u to buy anything, btw. Adapt or die. 
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.30 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tara Wilde
lol it's about time CCP introduced something to counter the older player advantage.
Adapt or die, lol
i sure hope they will introduce a "$ for skill points" option with exclusive ships available only to people who are willing to spend real money.
Noone forces u to buy anything, btw. Adapt or die.
$ for skill points available at the character bazarr, been that way since before I started playing in '08.
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Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.30 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Tara Wilde
lol it's about time CCP introduced something to counter the older player advantage.
So you're against MT I take it, seeing as how older players will be inordinately more able to benefit from it?
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Adapt or die.
Yes, why don't you?
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Tara Wilde
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Posted - 2011.05.30 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Tara Wilde
lol it's about time CCP introduced something to counter the older player advantage.
So you're against MT I take it, seeing as how older players will be inordinately more able to benefit from it?
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Adapt or die.
Yes, why don't you?
I am. this is the best thing CCP has ever introduced to Eve. SP for $? yes please. Exclusive ships for $? yes please. It evens out the time advantage older players have in Eve.
I can't wait until CCP introduces non-vanity items lol. And they said that much already. It's really awesome.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.30 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 30/05/2011 19:12:23
Originally by: Tara Wilde
SP for $? yes please.
So you think that being able to buy your way out of game mechanics is a good idea? You see no problems with this?
Do you support $$áfor pod immunity? $$áfor warp immunity? $$áfor materials? $$áfor insta-S&I?
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Exclusive ships for $?
Why? Wouldn't you want the ship to be exclusive?
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It evens out the time advantage older players have in Eve.
Ah. So you are one of those who think that "catching up" is an applicable concept in EVE. There's just one problem: it's not. And no, it will not even out any kind of advantage. In fact, the more likely scenario is that older players will benefit more from it than new players.
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I can't wait until CCP introduces non-vanity items lol. And they said that much already.
No, they haven't. But keep dreaming about them ruining their own game, and screwing over new players. 
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Rolare
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.05.30 19:14:00 -
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What the hell is it with the talk about older character advantage... only advantage they have is to know how to use the mechanics better than newer players, and practice will remedy that.
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Astroka
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Posted - 2011.05.30 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Rolare
What the hell is it with the talk about older character advantage... only advantage they have is to know how to use the mechanics better than newer players, and practice will remedy that.
And a larger number of higher level skills. More SP means better skills, better ships, better weapons, better modules. More and better ways to make ISK.
Originally by: Ioci
Welcome to the bustedness of EVE.
1 guy can disband a 2000 man alliance and wipe out trillions, that's cool.
Give back a noob 10 mill? No, that's game breaking.
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El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.05.30 19:17:00 -
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Probably be like Champions Online where you can buy extra costume options. Those don't really do anything in game. (There are other things you can buy that do have effects on game, but the costumes have no real game benefit).
CCP said there would be vanity items, that could be furniture for your home/office/store, clothes, pets (some fish aquariums might be nice :) ), etc
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Rolare
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.05.30 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: Rolare on 30/05/2011 19:19:24
Because it takes 200 years to get the skills to fit a good BS right? Sure getting to T2 large guns take 40-odd days or so but it's not that long time.
EDIT: Meant for Astroka, need to learn to quote x.x
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.30 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Astroka
And a larger number of higher level skills. More SP means better skills, better ships, better weapons, better modules. More and better ways to make ISK.
àand guess what: they don't make nearly as much difference as people think, especially not compared to the real advantages older players have ù friends and experience.
Total SP is a worthless measure.
Contextual SP is a highly limited pool.
And the rest of largely balances itself out (better stuff = more expensive = the better ways to make ISK only lets you lose just as much as before).
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Astroka
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Posted - 2011.05.30 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Rolare
Edited by: Rolare on 30/05/2011 19:19:24
Because it takes 200 years to get the skills to fit a good BS right? Sure getting to T2 large guns take 40-odd days or so but it's not that long time.
EDIT: Meant for Astroka, need to learn to quote x.x
I'm willing to bet you don't count being able to fly, say, a carrier or a marauder as an older player advantage.
Originally by: Ioci
Welcome to the bustedness of EVE.
1 guy can disband a 2000 man alliance and wipe out trillions, that's cool.
Give back a noob 10 mill? No, that's game breaking.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.30 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Astroka
I'm willing to bet you don't count being able to fly, say, a carrier or a marauder as an older player advantage.
Seeing as how the perceived advantage is rather circumscribed and as how it's note all that tightly coupled to being oldà
No.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Rolare
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.05.30 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Astroka
I'm willing to bet you don't count being able to fly, say, a carrier or a marauder as an older player advantage.
Regarding carriers, I can't fly one and doesn't feel like I'm losing anything by not being able to do so. Marauder, would seem to be the pinnacle of mission-salvaging-while-killing-stuff, sounds to me it should take a while to get into.
If in a fleet, whatever piece of junk you have will still help as long as you know what you're doing, if solo... if it's PvP then don't bite off more than you can chew. PvE... well, then you're running around alone...
Also, slightly more on-topic, as long as I can Aurum items with ISK, I don't really care what it is. Sure do hope it ain't stuff like extra-SP or faster skill-training, that'd be a bummer :l
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Zoroa Aulx-Gao
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Posted - 2011.05.30 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Astroka
Originally by: Rolare
Edited by: Rolare on 30/05/2011 19:19:24
Because it takes 200 years to get the skills to fit a good BS right? Sure getting to T2 large guns take 40-odd days or so but it's not that long time.
EDIT: Meant for Astroka, need to learn to quote x.x
I'm willing to bet you don't count being able to fly, say, a carrier or a marauder as an older player advantage.
But you don't just need ISK/SP for it to be worth flying a carrier, you need the support and experience formed over time, and the initiative to research and educate yourself about what you're doing.
Everyone waits the same amount of time, and most pay their dues to fly a cap successfully.
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Ben Morto
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Posted - 2011.05.30 20:32:00 -
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Why does it matter?
Aurum comes from plex, and plex comes from ISK.
If you have ISK you can get Aurum items. Everyone has ISK, so everyone will have access to "micro-transaction" items without spending real money.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.30 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ben Morto
Aurum comes from plex, and plex comes from ISK.
PLEX comes form $$.
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Everyone has ISK, so everyone will have access to "micro-transaction" itemsà
àas long as someone has spent real money.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Irulan Corinno
Caldari
714th SQN - Snowflakes
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Posted - 2011.05.30 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: Irulan Corinno on 30/05/2011 20:46:00
Originally by: Zoroa Aulx-Gao
...whether introducing mirco-transaction items which improve your characters abilities or give you an obvious edge over other players without it/or ships and completed skills books etc would ever be sold?
Perhaps one of you could calm the speculation and hysteria and the bad threads it brings.
Wearing an expensive skirt definitely gives me an advantage over other players.
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.05.30 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla
They said for now, in future however. Read the Dev Q&A thread for hints clues in their thinking
Well that future depends on the SUCCESS of AURUM items.
It can go two ways.
If CCP see Aurum items as a big success they're going to conclude it'll be a BIGGER success if they move beyond vanity items.
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If Aurum items are a failure CCP will see the need to move beyond vanity items in order to make it more successful.
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