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Emoh Aidem
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Posted - 2011.06.06 03:10:00 -
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Edited by: Emoh Aidem on 06/06/2011 03:16:32
/fade to a Gallente Federation banner. *a baritone voice is heard saying "This a VOF broadcast, the views and opinions expressed in the broadcast maybe not reflect those any official Federation position on the matter"
This is a VOF broadcast, maybe liberate and peace be delivered to those that yern for it.
This is Emoh Aidem and this is the news. There have been recent reports of a corporation littering space lanes in the Placid region with navigational hazards with populist propaganda slogans and anti-federation messages on their sides. Please be aware of such hazards and report them to the proper authorities for removal.
This has been a VOF Broadcast.
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Senn Typhos
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.06 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Emoh Aidem Edited by: Emoh Aidem on 06/06/2011 03:25:04
... may liberty and peace be delivered to those that yern for it.
... populist propaganda slogans and anti-Federation messages on their sides.
... report them to the proper authorities for removal.
I'd say don't quit your day job, but you're probably terrible at that, too.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.06 11:30:00 -
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Is this about our "anti-Moira" propaganda can campaign ?
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Emoh Aidem
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Posted - 2011.06.06 12:04:00 -
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Edited by: Emoh Aidem on 06/06/2011 12:06:37 Mr. Typhos, as I'm aware, you don't pay my salary then your opinion holds very little weight with me.
Ms. Constantine reports from independent sources have indicated an over all anti-Federation campaign being propagated and cloaked in the shroud of liberation. You may have targeted a corporation in the local area, however you can't miss the overall message promoting anarchy with the Federation at the forefront.
/fade to a Federation banner with the message imposed over it that reads "Liberty and Justice for all"
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.06 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Emoh Aidem
Ms. Constantine reports from independent sources have indicated an over all anti-Federation campaign being propagated and cloaked in the shroud of liberation. You may have targeted a corporation in the local area, however you can't miss the overall message promoting anarchy with the Federation at the forefront.
Let me ask a question then. Do you consider that Moira Corporation is a good example of Federation nationalist idealism?
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Caviar Liberta
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2011.06.06 13:55:00 -
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Edited by: Caviar Liberta on 06/06/2011 14:05:36 This seems interesting. Nothing is more certain than the indispensable necessity of government, and it is equally undeniable, that whenever and however it is instituted, the people must cede to it some of their natural right |
Emoh Aidem
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Posted - 2011.06.06 14:04:00 -
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To use the term nationalist would be an inaccurate descriptor from my understanding of their charter. Federalist would describe their mandate the way I read it. They are doing what any good capitalist would do and that is creation of wealth for the shareholders and corporate members. The imposition of misdirected ideals is the wrong way to promote an agenda, but as the saying goes, "Honey attracts more flies than vinegar."
Liberty and Justice for All
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.06 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Emoh Aidem To use the term nationalist would be an inaccurate descriptor from my understanding of their charter. Federalist would describe their mandate the way I read it. They are doing what any good capitalist would do and that is creation of wealth for the shareholders and corporate members. The imposition of misdirected ideals is the wrong way to promote an agenda, but as the saying goes, "Honey attracts more flies than vinegar."
Liberty and Justice for All
Strangely I just saw you post exactly the same thing as "Caviar Liberta" (from Moira) in the post above your own. I guess there was some problem with the Impersonation 9000 series holo-unit?
Still nice to know the "voice of freedom" in this case is the "freedom from consequence" (of posting with one's own identity.)
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Emoh Aidem
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Posted - 2011.06.06 14:25:00 -
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Let's not be distracted by a glitch in the neocomm uplink.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.06 14:28:00 -
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You're giving them way too much attention. Star Fraction have never possessed and will never possess the ability to seriously threaten the security or stability of the Federation. The only way they could conceivably even come close to doing this is if they began to openly support the Caldari militia's effort to illegally occupy Placid, which would grossly violate their own principles and require them to fragment the alliance to allow entry to the militia. If memory serves, some of their corporations are in far too low repute with the Caldari State to join anyway. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Emoh Aidem
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Posted - 2011.06.06 15:18:00 -
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Hello Mr. Ixiris, thanks your input on the discussion.
I actually have a gallente great grand mother who raised me after parents disowned me after I was kicked out of school as an undesirable element by my caldari peers. I spoke out against the occupation of Gallente space and the alliance with the Amarr. |
Senn Typhos
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.06 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Emoh Aidem Edited by: Emoh Aidem on 06/06/2011 12:06:37 Mr. Typhos, as I'm aware, you don't pay my salary then your opinion holds very little weight with me.
It's really not a matter of opinion. Calling yourself the "Voice of Freedom" and spouting a few bland platitudes about liberty, then calling for "proper authorities" to remove entirely legal slogan canisters, makes a factual statement about your mentality.
Doesn't really matter how ridiculous anarchist beliefs are. If you're going to wave the Federation banner around, at least pretend to be concerned with personal freedoms, like the rest of your kind do.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.06 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Senn Typhos
Originally by: Emoh Aidem Edited by: Emoh Aidem on 06/06/2011 12:06:37 Mr. Typhos, as I'm aware, you don't pay my salary then your opinion holds very little weight with me.
It's really not a matter of opinion. Calling yourself the "Voice of Freedom" and spouting a few bland platitudes about liberty, then calling for "proper authorities" to remove entirely legal slogan canisters, makes a factual statement about your mentality.
Doesn't really matter how ridiculous anarchist beliefs are. If you're going to wave the Federation banner around, at least pretend to be concerned with personal freedoms, like the rest of your kind do.
Alternatively they could undock in spaceships and destroy the cans themselves. After all - we are at war!
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Nausea
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.06 16:55:00 -
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I'm...sorry?
What you have amounts to a complaint about space graffiti.
I'm not, I admit, as familiar with Federation culture as I might like to be, but I had been lead to believe one of the things often said to be a freedom is that of being able to express whatever you wish, especially if it's a different ideological viewpoint. Maybe I have been missinformed.
There are...many things a self-labeled 'Voice of Freedom' could be championing, (and most I had expected to see when I looked into this thread), I wasn't expecting an anti-littering message.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.06 19:29:00 -
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Revealing is it not that a champion of the Federation is so afraid of free-speech that he'd like all dissenting opinions cleaned away ...
tut tut Moira. bad nationalist.
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Emoh Aidem
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Posted - 2011.06.06 19:43:00 -
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Edited by: Emoh Aidem on 06/06/2011 19:44:22 To clarify a few things...
The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to war.
I'm Caldari by birth and I'm neither a patriot or a nationalist. Try being a dissenting voice in the Caldari State and see what happens.
As in the original broadcast of this communique, the VOF is in no manner a voice of the Gallente Federation.
The Intaki asked the Federation to allow themselves to self police themselves and now they are in the middle of a war zone. Sometimes you shouldn't maybe ask for what you might not like.
As I said prior I'm of Gallente descent but also Caldari, so I think I have some leeway to be inconsistent.
That is all.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.06 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Emoh Aidem Liberty and Justice for All
What about freedom of speech?
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Emoh Aidem
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Posted - 2011.06.06 20:12:00 -
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Freedom of Speech you ask? Even there are limits to this in a civilized society. I cite the following...
*Distribution of information should not impede the flow of traffic or create excessive noise levels at certain times and in certain places.
I will even cite the source for you from where I found it after an archival search.
*Education of freedom
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.06 20:16:00 -
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Can you explain exactly how you are managing to collide with our propaganda cans given they are anchored around 180-250 kilometers away from Stations and Gates out of interest?
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Emoh Aidem
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Posted - 2011.06.06 20:22:00 -
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That is a good question indeed. However there is a small percentage of pilots who might wish to navigate undetected and these message cans present a problem if they were to venture to close to them even if by accidental navigational error. Space should be free of such hazards.
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Nausea
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.06 20:38:00 -
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Hmm. Now I am intrigued.
How, exactly, do you define 'Freedom', pilot Aidem?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.06 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Emoh Aidem That is a good question indeed. However there is a small percentage of pilots who might wish to navigate undetected and these message cans present a problem if they were to venture to close to them even if by accidental navigational error. Space should be free of such hazards.
Again reading between the lines (with reference to your true allegience that was let slip earlier on) is this thread really about Moira covert ops frigates getting accidently decloaked by flying too close to Star Fraction propaganda cans?
What about the Moira propaganda cans in the region? Do you believe that statist propaganda should be allowed to remain as "hazard" to anarchist stealth bombers while our words should be erased by your "authorities"?
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Emoh Aidem
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Posted - 2011.06.06 20:48:00 -
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Freedom is the allowing of making your own choices upto the point of not interfering with others personal choices. A Federal Democracy isn't alway a pretty thing to see in action. Opposing view and self interest. Not everyone agrees on the bounds of such liberties. Some would chose to impose their will through means that might needed when there are other ways of doing it. There are offical means, even though I might not agree with concord they have safetly put message boards that are clearly marked for such use.
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Senn Typhos
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.06 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Emoh Aidem That is a good question indeed. However there is a small percentage of pilots who might wish to navigate undetected and these message cans present a problem if they were to venture to close to them even if by accidental navigational error. Space should be free of such hazards.
This is why Federation mentality perplexes me. If a pilot is so unskilled that a clearly marked canister anchored in empty space presents a covert navigation challenge, why should law enforcement be bothered to clear the obstacle for him? Let him burn and learn his lesson.
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Nausea
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.06 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Emoh Aidem Freedom is the allowing of making your own choices upto the point of not interfering with others personal choices. A Federal Democracy isn't alway a pretty thing to see in action. Opposing view and self interest. Not everyone agrees on the bounds of such liberties. Some would chose to impose their will through means that might needed when there are other ways of doing it. There are offical means, even though I might not agree with concord they have safetly put message boards that are clearly marked for such use.
I see.
Not too sure I agree with that definition. Freedom means just that; freedom to decide for yourself, to make your own decisions. This is not the same as everyone just doing what they want; that assumes there are no consequences to the choices you make. You should be allowed to say what you wish; you have to accept that there may be consequences to doing so.
Walking right up to an overly body-modded brutor mand and insulting his lineage, is a choice you have. That doesn't neccessarly make it a wise one. Nor can you turn round and say, 'What? I was just exercising my freedoms!'. So was he. He used it to punch you in the face.
The limitations should not be imposed on you by someone else, unless you so choose them to be.
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Emoh Aidem
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Posted - 2011.06.07 00:16:00 -
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A holovid flickers on the screen. You entered the twilight zone. The screen then pauses and then fades to Mr. Aidem.
I love these holovids, you never get the whole story till the end.
So let's skip to the end shall we.
All pod pilots are a slave to the technology.
Every time a pilot flies to combat he or she does so knowing their mortality safely guarded.
For all the words of liberty and freedom we throw around, we readily gave that up when entered the pod training program. So say we are all slaves to a self imposed type that we can only free ourselves from.
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Jason Galente
Gallente Sentinels Academy Sentinel Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.07 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: Emoh Aidem Edited by: Emoh Aidem on 06/06/2011 12:06:37 Mr. Typhos, as I'm aware, you don't pay my salary then your opinion holds very little weight with me.
Ms. Constantine reports from independent sources have indicated an over all anti-Federation campaign being propagated and cloaked in the shroud of liberation. You may have targeted a corporation in the local area, however you can't miss the overall message promoting anarchy with the Federation at the forefront.
/fade to a Federation banner with the message imposed over it that reads "Liberty and Justice for all"
So you just repeat the opinions of the people that pay your salary? Oh, dear...
I know where I will be when my time comes. What remains to be determined is when I get there. |
Emoh Aidem
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Posted - 2011.06.07 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Galente
Originally by: Emoh Aidem Edited by: Emoh Aidem on 06/06/2011 12:06:37 Mr. Typhos, as I'm aware, you don't pay my salary then your opinion holds very little weight with me.
Ms. Constantine reports from independent sources have indicated an over all anti-Federation campaign being propagated and cloaked in the shroud of liberation. You may have targeted a corporation in the local area, however you can't miss the overall message promoting anarchy with the Federation at the forefront.
/fade to a Federation banner with the message imposed over it that reads "Liberty and Justice for all"
salary[/u]? Oh, dear...
Actually I don't get payed anything. I'm probably the poorest pilot to enter the pod training program. I'll be more than happy to show you the large grand total of 0.0 isk in my account if you want.
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Nausea
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.07 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Emoh Aidem
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All pod pilots are a slave to the technology.
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And that would be an...interesting way to try to steer the argument. Allow me to counter with: it was a choice we made. I'm not aware of anyone that is 'forced' to become a pilot, and do all of the things we can and do do. Granted many things may have happened to us we did not expect to happen, but the decision to become what we are is still our decision.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.06.07 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Emoh Aidem Freedom is the allowing of making your own choices upto the point of not interfering with others personal choices.
And if one's personal choices include attacking neutral shipping, interfering with other corporations business, bumping and baiting and generally making oneself a nuisance?
Would you consider that was an exmple of interfering with other's personal choices?
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