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Caliph Muhammed
Caldari Caldari Naval Command Intelligence Security
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Posted - 2011.06.09 10:54:00 -
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Edited by: Caliph Muhammed on 09/06/2011 10:57:23 I spent some time yesterday scouting a good region for planetary interaction. I setup 4 planets that will begin harvesting and stockpiling the resources. I chose resources with buy orders for 3+ each and and will be selling them for 2 each. They might not sell overnight but they will sell. This will be included as part of an industrial base for the fund. Essentially they are the gold backing of the corps dollar. I know demand and the net value of PI is lackluster overall but it will be a steady stream of income to go along with the trading. Ive got a few things im training atm for my falcon/rook but I have intentions on unlocking the full 6 planets. That will increase the base even further. More to come.
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Shawnclay
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.06.09 12:43:00 -
[32]
I would like to consider making a moderate investment in this.
How many shares would you sell to any one player if there are any left? What is the current price? Is your total fund based on Planet Resource production? How long does the money stay invested before your investors can cash out? How often are we updated on the value of our shares?
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Caliph Muhammed
Caldari Caldari Naval Command Intelligence Security
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Posted - 2011.06.09 13:41:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Shawnclay I would like to consider making a moderate investment in this.
How many shares would you sell to any one player if there are any left? What is the current price? Is your total fund based on Planet Resource production? How long does the money stay invested before your investors can cash out? How often are we updated on the value of our shares?
We're still in the brainstorming portion at the moment. No shares have been sold as of yet, though some have reserved orders.
Planetary Interaction will not be the focus of the fund. Trading will be. The planets are a passive stream of income i'm adding into the funds resources to help solidy the value of the stock. So basically should the trading be slow in a given week there is still progress towards the next dividend payout. It's easy enuff to do, requires a few minutes per day, and gives a industrial backbone or sorts to the fund.
How many shares will an individual be allowed to purchase? Well i'll always buy up 51%. So the remaining 49% will be available to the public. I haven't decided as of yet on whether offering a maximum to each investor in the IPO is the way to go or not. I may initially put a hardcap to create a more diverse investment group but ultimately nothing would stop 1 individual from privately buying out others.
The plan is to take the pooled resources and exploit my trading talent on the market. Once 100 million is made in profit a dividend payment of 50 million goes out to the shareholders and 50 million goes back into the fund to increase it's trading power (1 billion profit would be 500 million to dividends). I covered this in some earlier posts and before the first share is sold i'll set in stone how best its done.
Cashing out. The fund will always offer 90% buyback of the original price on shares. This covers any expenses in doing so and prevents 2 day investments. The fund will never cash out in the sense all total funds will be distributed to the shareholders. It will be a continuous and hopefully evergrowing stream of revenue. Your shares value will increase based on the total profit acquired through dividends versus the cost of the shares you bought.
1mil shares x 1000 = 1 billion. As the fund matures, pays dividends and grows in equity the fund may be 1mil shares x 1000 + 5 billion reinvestment profit = 6 billion + isk paidout through dividends. If you're asking could theoretically someone wait for the initial fund of 1 billion total to increase to 50 billion total and then trade the shares in for 49% of that. No. It will never cash out in that fashion. Your initial investment is always available for a 90% cashout plus the isk made through dividend payments. This is investing for long term passive income.
The exception to this rule would be me quitting the game (not happening) or for some reason stopping the fund. At which point the total assets of the corp would then be distributed equally through the shareholder mechanism.
Now this ties into why a choice has to be made on having a buyback for shares of initial price paid (90%)or basing it on current "practical" value of the share. Define practical as total assets divided by total shares.
If you base the share price on 1k each and allow shareholders first chance at future public shares you allow the SH to maintain or increase their % of the company held while keeping the price of the share relatively cheap to invest in. Profit from dividends will be steady in growth as the reinvestment of profit at 50% will allow bigger investment and bigger dividends. Risk is minimal.
If you base the share buyback on practical value the buying power of the fund will ebb and flow based on who wants to cashout at that time. The profit and growth will have much larger spikes. One person selling off the shares at the "practical" value in large quantities will cut into the dividends of the remaining shareholders. This can lead to a chain or "run" on the fund.
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Caliph Muhammed
Caldari Caldari Naval Command Intelligence Security
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Posted - 2011.06.09 13:45:00 -
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I will update information on our total assets and other errata as often as possible without making it a job. Im one guy and along with actually ensuring the fund increases its profitability and the issues that go along with that I still need time to myself sometimes to pvp and other real life factors.
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Shawnclay
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.06.09 14:34:00 -
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I'd like to reserve 100 million isk worth of shares. I'll give your fund a shot.
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Caliph Muhammed
Caldari Caldari Naval Criminal Investigative Service
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Posted - 2011.06.10 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: Caliph Muhammed on 10/06/2011 20:26:32 Okay, I set the corp up today. I voted to create the initial shares. I decided to go with a larger amount of shares in the IPO. Ive upped it to 4 million total. I'll be buying 2.1 million of the them which gives the fund before the IPO 2.1 billion in trading assets. Coupled with what shares are sold this gives the fund a very nice trading start.
A secondary reason for enlarging the initial IPO was do to the amount of capital many in MD have to risk. One of the investors, Tom, had offered to buy the 49% right off the bat. I want a diverse group but i'd like to be able to handle a slightly larger share purchase in the IPO if people want to invest a little heavier. There will be no minimums, so this changes nothing in that sense outside of making our initial dividends larger and the rate of growth much faster. And in the grand scheme of things many good investments in EVE can swallow a fairly large amount of capital. If i'm going to monopolize something I might as well do it with a bigger profit margin. The bottomline is it's in the best interest of those who make the decision of investing in the fund.
A tertiary reason, but never the less important, is it allows me to merge enough of my private trading with the corp/fund wallet to cut down on management and accounting need. Much of what I invest in on behalf of the fund would overlap my personal investments and having to seperate the two is a headache i'd assume avoid.
All unsold shares will remain in ownership of the corp/fund wallet. So as the fund goes live ill be buying the 2.1 million shares, lets say 400000 of the 1.9 million remaining are sold. The rest remain under the corp wallet which means dividends that go out for the unsold portion will go right back into the fund. It handles the accounting in a simple and convenient manner.
Since my profit will be paid out of dividends as well you can be assured im clicking the button when the threshold for payment is reached.
As another insurance to the funds continual progress to the next dividend payment, im going to assign myself a 10% corporate tax. So even if the orders are up and they're filling slowly the fund is still growing if i'm doing missions. As 51% owner I do get 5% of that back upon dividend payment but its a fair trade. Im still saving 6% tax from a NPC corp and it goes along nicely with the planetary interaction to form a small but ever present backbone to the fund.
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Migrator Soul
Minmatar 5th Element Inc The Ambivalent
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Posted - 2011.06.10 22:44:00 -
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I am very interested, and would be willing to buy ten thousand shares, if you are still selling. If you stay true to your word, I will advise my alliance to help you with this or future ventures, enabling you to have the suppport of about threehundred or so other people. Ten million isk is chump change for me, and so, if you honor this, I would be willing to make a significantly higher investment after a few months of good performance.
Please send me an evemail in game. Thanks
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Caliph Muhammed
Caldari Caldari Naval Criminal Investigative Service
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Posted - 2011.06.10 23:19:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Migrator Soul I am very interested, and would be willing to buy ten thousand shares, if you are still selling. If you stay true to your word, I will advise my alliance to help you with this or future ventures, enabling you to have the suppport of about threehundred or so other people. Ten million isk is chump change for me, and so, if you honor this, I would be willing to make a significantly higher investment after a few months of good performance.
Please send me an evemail in game. Thanks
-Migrator
Thats fine. There is no minimum investment. The vote takes a day to go through the corp voting process so the shares will be ready tomorrow. I'll contact you via email in game when they are ready and we can go from there.
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Meranan
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.11 10:43:00 -
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Like the idea of having many small holders.
I'd also like to reserve 100m worth of shares.
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Emma d'Acques
Gallente Ortog Promethium Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.11 15:16:00 -
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Caliph, I really like you idea. If possible, I would like to buy 15 000 shares.
Please mail me in-game with payment details if possible.
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Arancar Australis
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Posted - 2011.06.11 15:34:00 -
[41]
20 mill sent for 20K worth of shares
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Caliph Muhammed
Caldari Caldari Naval Criminal Investigative Service
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Posted - 2011.06.11 15:38:00 -
[42]
Noted. As soon as the vote closes this afternoon i'll send out your shares. Thanks.
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Twist1260
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Posted - 2011.06.11 16:37:00 -
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Hey I'm quite a new player and would like to start in some investing so if you don't mind me buying like 50mil of share when you get it all set up that would be great. If Tue amount is to much and you want the shares to be more diverse then I'm fine with that just let me know.
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OllieNorth
Gallente Interstellar Entrepreneurs
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Posted - 2011.06.11 20:46:00 -
[44]
20 mil sent for 20k shares, Vaya con Dios!
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Roguehalo
Caldari Roguehalo Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2011.06.11 21:07:00 -
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This is so gonna end in tears.......
This guy is the most blatant scammer I've seen in many a long day.
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Caliph Muhammed
Caldari Caldari Naval Criminal Investigative Service
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Posted - 2011.06.11 21:30:00 -
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Edited by: Caliph Muhammed on 11/06/2011 21:31:04 Okay preliminary shares have been sent out with 1 exception, to shawnclay as i'm not sure what's going on with his character. Ive saved the chatlogs he says he's quitting the game and to keep the 100mil & instantly leaves private chat amidst a conversation im having with him. He then relogs on and asks for the 100 mil back for another shot at it, and before I have a chance to reply to him he leaves the conversation again. I don't want to yet reveal why he was in distress but atm im unsure of how to handle this. Shawn if you are reading this im not sure if your account has been compromised or not or whether you are making a new toon and want your shares on the new toon or you want a refund but whatever the case get your situation straight and give me a chat.
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Caliph Muhammed
Caldari Caldari Naval Criminal Investigative Service
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Posted - 2011.06.11 21:48:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Caliph Muhammed on 11/06/2011 21:53:15
Originally by: Roguehalo This is so gonna end in tears.......
This guy is the most blatant scammer I've seen in many a long day.
I know you're begining to wear thin insulting me when you do not know me personally. I want you to know if your goal is to disrupt what i'm doing in game consequences will come, in the same form. I most certainly will troll any offer or idea you present in the future and with your shady corp history/ killboard history pointing you out for a possible scammer would be super easy to do. Now from the research ive done on you thus far reading your anti Osama poem you wrote I know deep down what you are doing is trolling someone you believe to be a muslim. You aren't very intelligent and you believe you are meant to hate an entire people because of your notion 9/11 was carried out by "all muslims".
http://www.cnet.com/profile/roguehalo/
Note the hopepage link & the name John Marshall, North Carolina and the link to the homepage
http://aurora7.webs.com/johnmarshall.htm
By the way your poem stinks. My kids have better wordplay
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Roguehalo&page=1#kills
And there is your killboard, woefully bloated with blob kills showing a first appearance earlier than your current toon in game shows existence. Which means your toon has some quirky things going along with it.
Now, I know you're from North Carolina and it has one of the greatest military traditions in the united states (which by the way is why the NC veterans administration is the worse, high use) but as for your personal feelings about my name, my religion or any other hatriot bigotry you wish to bring towards me, **** on it. **** on you.
You've expressed your view, the fund is moving on without your support. So move on. Unless your goal is to pick a beef with me in which case, running isn't in my protocol.
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Roguehalo
Caldari Roguehalo Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2011.06.11 22:45:00 -
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Edited by: Roguehalo on 11/06/2011 22:47:16
Originally by: Caliph Muhammed Edited by: Caliph Muhammed on 11/06/2011 21:53:15
Originally by: Roguehalo This is so gonna end in tears.......
This guy is the most blatant scammer I've seen in many a long day.
I know you're begining to wear thin insulting me when you do not know me personally. I want you to know if your goal is to disrupt what i'm doing in game consequences will come, in the same form. I most certainly will troll any offer or idea you present in the future and with your shady corp history/ killboard history pointing you out for a possible scammer would be super easy to do. Now from the research ive done on you thus far reading your anti Osama poem you wrote I know deep down what you are doing is trolling someone you believe to be a muslim. You aren't very intelligent and you believe you are meant to hate an entire people because of your notion 9/11 was carried out by "all muslims".
http://www.cnet.com/profile/roguehalo/
Note the hopepage link & the name John Marshall, North Carolina and the link to the homepage
http://aurora7.webs.com/johnmarshall.htm
By the way your poem stinks. My kids have better wordplay
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Roguehalo&page=1#kills
And there is your killboard, woefully bloated with blob kills showing a first appearance earlier than your current toon in game shows existence. Which means your toon has some quirky things going along with it.
Now, I know you're from North Carolina and it has one of the greatest military traditions in the united states (which by the way is why the NC veterans administration is the worse, high use) but as for your personal feelings about my name, my religion or any other hatriot bigotry you wish to bring towards me, **** on it. **** on you.
You've expressed your view, the fund is moving on without your support. So move on. Unless your goal is to pick a beef with me in which case, running isn't in my protocol.
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Roguehalo
Caldari Roguehalo Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2011.06.11 22:55:00 -
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I think your reply to my post just about confirms things. Any genuine trader wouldn't fly off the handle like you did. Your intrinsic dishonesty is eating away at you m8 :)
As for all the "research" you did on me..... If your trading is as bad as your researching(which I suspect it is) then woe betide your investors. The difference between you and me is that I have a track record and you don't. Although obviously your "research" didn't throw up that fact.
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Caliph Muhammed
Caldari Caldari Naval Criminal Investigative Service
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Posted - 2011.06.11 23:29:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Caliph Muhammed on 11/06/2011 23:29:24
Originally by: Roguehalo I think your reply to my post just about confirms things. Any genuine trader wouldn't fly off the handle like you did. Your intrinsic dishonesty is eating away at you m8 :)
As for all the "research" you did on me..... If your trading is as bad as your researching(which I suspect it is) then woe betide your investors. The difference between you and me is that I have a track record and you don't. Although obviously your "research" didn't throw up that fact.
Then get off my nuts, stop harassing me, and go live up to your trading reputation. Simple. Personally I think your scared I might be successful and give pause to anyone in the future bothering to invest billions of ISK into people who offer the sun, moon and stars with "cred" as collateral.
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Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2011.06.12 08:20:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Liberty Eternal on 12/06/2011 08:26:00
Originally by: Caliph Muhammed Edited by: Caliph Muhammed on 12/06/2011 02:32:50
Originally by: Roguehalo This is so gonna end in tears.......
This guy is the most blatant scammer I've seen in many a long day.
I know you're begining to wear thin insulting me when you do not know me personally. I want you to know if your goal is to disrupt what i'm doing in game consequences will come, in the same form. I most certainly will troll any offer or idea you present in the future and with your shady corp history/ killboard history pointing you out for a possible scammer would be super easy to do. Now from the research ive done on you thus far reading your anti Osama poem you wrote I know deep down what you are doing is trolling someone you believe to be a muslim. You aren't very intelligent and you believe you are meant to hate an entire people because of your notion 9/11 was carried out by "all muslims".
Note the homepage link & the name and the link to the homepage
By the way your poem stinks. My kids have better wordplay
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Roguehalo&page=1#kills
And there is your killboard, woefully bloated with blob kills showing a first appearance earlier than your current toon in game shows existence. Which means your toon has some quirky things going along with it.
Now, I know you're from and it has one of the greatest military traditions in the united states (which by the way is why the NC veterans administration is the worse, high use) but as for your personal feelings about my name, my religion or any other hatriot bigotry you wish to bring towards me, **** on it. **** on you.
You've expressed your view, the fund is moving on without your support. So move on. Unless your goal is to pick a beef with me in which case, running isn't in my protocol.
Wow! That was unexpected. Dude, you obviously got some issues.
Edit: meh - sarcasm removed he probably won't find that in the least bit funny
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Florestan Bronstein
draketrain Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.12 08:44:00 -
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Roguehalo is a terrible troll that smells of scam - nothing new to see here, just ignore him.
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Maximum Manmeat
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Posted - 2011.06.12 08:49:00 -
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As a good muslim I am not allowed to charge my faithful brothers interest. I believe this disqualifies me from investment?
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Caliph Muhammed
Caldari Caldari Naval Criminal Investigative Service
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Posted - 2011.06.12 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Maximum Manmeat As a good muslim I am not allowed to charge my faithful brothers interest. I believe this disqualifies me from investment?
You aren't charging me interest, you're putting your funds into a pool and recieving your portion of the profit.
Instead of 10 of us having to make buy orders and all 10 of us having to go and pick up the purchased items, 1 can. Consider it a carpool of Isk making.
Interest would come from a bond of sorts, where your money or rather your profit from interest would come whether I was successful or not. Ideally with a bond you would have collateral and you would keep that should the interest payment not be met. This is why it's forbidden. Only 1 person assumes the risk, 1 person does the work and ultimately in a failure only 1 person assumes the risk.
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Strrog
Caldari Zero Excavations
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Posted - 2011.06.12 16:36:00 -
[55]
After the conversation with Caliph, I have decided to buy the rest of the shares for the total of 1623400000 isk.
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Caliph Muhammed
Caldari Caldari Naval Criminal Investigative Service
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Posted - 2011.06.12 16:37:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Strrog After the conversation with Caliph, I have decided to buy the rest of the shares for the total of 1623400000 isk.
Confirmed, ISK recieved.
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Coty
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Posted - 2011.06.12 18:28:00 -
[57]
Just for the public record, i have asked for and paid for 1100 shares totaling 1,100,000 isk.
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OllieNorth
Gallente Interstellar Entrepreneurs
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Posted - 2011.06.12 18:40:00 -
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Oh Em Gee, Roguehalo!
Look at our picturesm I think you are my evil twin!!!111!!11!One!!
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Caliph Muhammed
Caldari Caldari Naval Criminal Investigative Service
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Posted - 2011.06.12 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Coty Just for the public record, i have asked for and paid for 1100 shares totaling 1,100,000 isk.
And you have recieved them. Check your wallet.
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Roguehalo
Caldari Roguehalo Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2011.06.12 21:12:00 -
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"I know you're begining to wear thin insulting me when you do not know me personally. I want you to know if your goal is to disrupt what i'm doing in game consequences will come, in the same form. I most certainly will troll any offer or idea you present in the future and with your shady corp history/ killboard history pointing you out for a possible scammer would be super easy to do. Now from the research ive done on you thus far reading your anti Osama poem you wrote I know deep down what you are doing is trolling someone you believe to be a muslim. You aren't very intelligent and you believe you are meant to hate an entire people because of your notion 9/11 was carried out by "all muslims"."
This is THE MOST OFFENSIVE RUBBISH I've ever seen whilst playing Eve. I invite CCP to delete it.
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