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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:02:00 -
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You saw the live stream, now read the words from the man himself: CCP Hellmar's newest dev blog provides additional details about CCP's upcoming title, DUST 514. Learn more about DUST's mercenaries by reading his blog here.
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Palovana
Caldari Inner Fire Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout You saw the live stream, now read the words from the man himself: CCP Hellmar's newest dev blog provides additional details about CCP's upcoming title, DUST 514. Learn more about DUST's mercenaries by reading his blog here.
Just in time for the PS4 release!
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:08:00 -
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Edited by: Hexxx on 07/06/2011 02:13:09 Oh no! Just like Sony's websites, the http://www.dust514.com/ website is down!
Seriously though...fix it.
edit: fixed about 5 minutes after post...thank you!
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Demitrios
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:08:00 -
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Pro's: No screaming teenagers calling you childish names on xbl. Con's: Dealing with all the people trying to justify their purchase of a PS3 while on the phone sorting out their new credit cards.
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Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:08:00 -
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I could go into a vivid discussion on why this it's bull$hit that Dust 514 is going to be an exclusive Playstation game but I'm not going to because I'm absolutely certain it's too damn late for anything to change at this point.
Eve Online runs on a Microsoft backbone to begin with and the Xbox 360 has always been a better "FPS Shooter" platform than the PS3. All you have done is commit us loyal 360 fans to either not playing Dust 514 or spending an obscene amount of money on a new gaming console for a single game.
Why you choose exclusivity with Sony over Microsoft is beyond me. The 360 is a better console. Period.
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dj junkmasterD
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:10:00 -
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I was looking forward to dust, now its on the hackable playstation only? Wonderful
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Faith O'Siras
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:12:00 -
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Sony as an exclusive partner? The same Sony which has been unable to bring their gaming network completely online for damn near a month? The same company which hasn't had a decent game in recent memory? The same company which has exposed MILLIONS OF PEOPLE to identity theft due to their lax networking security?
Right on, CCP. Right on. I won't be buying Dust 514 as I originally planned.
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ITTigerClawIK
Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:17:00 -
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Edited by: ITTigerClawIK on 07/06/2011 02:17:16 Just Saw Hellmar on E3 and looking great, very disappointed its a PS3 exclusive, only got a XBox 360 so looks like a game i wont be getting after all, but still wishing the best of luck to everyone working on it and hoping they get it all done and finished before release ( or ill burn the CCP office Down ^_^)
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Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:17:00 -
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Waits for the influx of complaints about it being PS exclusive.
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Dokten Ral
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:17:00 -
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To be honest, ANY kind of platform exclusivity was my biggest fear surrounding Dust 514. I'm excited about the game, I think it's a really cool idea, I want to play it, and would totally buy it, but I can say without a doubt, I will never play this game, and it really bums me out. No beef with Sony, just don't own the console.
Maybe not too late for a PS3/PC launch through Steam?
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:21:00 -
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Just watched the new trailer...final thoughts during last 5 seconds of video...
"THE PLANET SHOOTS BACK?!!?"
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Elesaar
Caldari Marinello Enterprises Destiny Corrupted.
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:23:00 -
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Edited by: Elesaar on 07/06/2011 02:23:42 Well the only on a ps3 is a huge disappointment
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Othar en'gilliath
OMNI Technologies
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:24:00 -
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am pretty sure Microsoft told CCP NO .. You cant do cross platforming with 360
If you do then you have to run on OUR Servers
lol basically not going working with ccp
Also another point 360 doesn't do free updates or free anything you have to pay
ccp is all about free updates
This is why its PS3 and Not 360
Also CCP wants to enter the console market ...thats why there no dust for Pc
also if you still dont like it
watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:27:00 -
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Thanks Hilmar, but I want to make one suggestion:
I would like to suggest that another blog be posted explaining further why this is a PS3-exclusive title. There's too much rampant speculation and trolling in EVE General Discussion -- particularly virulent because of the PSN fiasco -- and it needs to be quelled.
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Graelyn
Amarr Adamant Edge
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:28:00 -
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I, for one, am glad of the PS3 exclusivity, if only for the (slightly) more mature community, and what I consider better hardware. PSN isn't something I will rave about, but when it works, it works well.
Here's looking forward to bringing Amarrian Laser Terror to a planet near you.
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Gun Hog
Caldari APEX ARDENT COALITION C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:28:00 -
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Well, thanks for kicking Xbox owners in the face, CCP. _______________________________________________
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Dark Ways
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:29:00 -
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This just went from a must have to a who cares
I hope that it comes out in time that the contract was signed before the world found out that Sony is apparently one of the most inept companies when it comes to internet.
This saddens me that CCP would limit themselves and thus us, the fans of EvE to Sony.
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Othar en'gilliath
OMNI Technologies
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Thanks Hilmar, but I want to make one suggestion:
I would like to suggest that another blog be posted explaining further why this is a PS3-exclusive title. There's too much rampant speculation and trolling in EVE General Discussion -- particularly virulent because of the PSN fiasco -- and it needs to be quelled.
i agree CCP please explain Why so we can &%$&$ the Whiners
i stated my reasons to why but a official post would be goood
we don't need Ps3 and 360 fan boys going at in in are PC EVE spaceships!!
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:30:00 -
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I'm hearing that CCP and Sony joint funded Dust514. If this is true, what form did this financial entanglement take? In the event that Dust514 is abject failure (God forbid), does CCP owe Sony any money or stock in CCP? Does Sony have, or can Sony obtain, partial ownership of Dust514 or Eve Online?
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Palovana
Caldari Inner Fire Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:31:00 -
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Have to say I like the first Dust Chron.
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Lord Luz
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:38:00 -
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well dust went from a must have to a pass for me. sorry ccp but you lost my $60. i hope your ps3 exclusive deal was a good one
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Angle elnA
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:38:00 -
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Well, it's on PlayStation... I'm a bit disappointed but I guess CCP has a good reason for this choice. I love EVE and all things that comes with it, and it's not a restriction of platform or an exclusive one that will stop me from playing it... I'll just get a PS3...
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Elesaar
Caldari Marinello Enterprises Destiny Corrupted.
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:38:00 -
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Edited by: Elesaar on 07/06/2011 02:39:08 Question for CCP: So what happens when Play Station 4 comes out, do you need to redesign Dust 514 again for the new console so the whole side of planetary wars on EVE Online does not fade when that happens?
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Della Monk
Broski Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Hexxx Just watched the new trailer...final thoughts during last 5 seconds of video...
"THE PLANET SHOOTS BACK?!!?"
This.
Also, am I the only one who thought those isk amounts were on the crazy side of things? Just one of those things cost more than a good number of ships.
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Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:39:00 -
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Awesome... Can't create a new account on the PSN to get q's answered.
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Angle elnA
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Elesaar Edited by: Elesaar on 07/06/2011 02:39:08 Question for CCP: So what happens when Play Station 4 comes out, do you need to redesign Dust 514 again for the new console so the whole side of planetary wars on EVE Online does not fade when that happens?
same question if it was on Xbox
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Opiboble Inte
Hard Rock Mining Co. The Jagged Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:46:00 -
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Well it looks great guys, but PS3? Really? I hope this is because you already did all the work before the hack's but with a release date in a year I pray to god you reconsider the PS3 only statement. Start working on a Xbox version and I will play and even pay a damn subscription for it. But I like my private info staying private, not going to happen with Sony. -Opi out. |
Khyron Malafactor
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:46:00 -
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Edited by: Khyron Malafactor on 07/06/2011 02:49:21 Why one platform, I can see picking just one of the consoles to keep development costs down. However I cannot see why no PC support?! Especially since it is the platform that made you. Not everyone owns a PC, 360, and PS3 - most only really have one gaming platform to afford. Also with the limited number of PS3 players what happens when the new "hotness" wears off or like someone else stated the PS4 comes out (same would go for 360)? Are we left with ghost planets? This really needs at least a PC version also - hell with the way the young generation cycles shooters I would hit every platform you could stick it on that would work...
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Tweakalvos
Gallente 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:47:00 -
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Yeah main concern is SOE will stick there dumb ass noses in my favorite game. If and if DUST turns to be ****. And then what will we be doing for good mmos. SWTOR is a wow clone with talking. So yeah CCP explain that. Cause if the next announcement is that SOE bought up CCP you will see a mass exodus of your player base.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:49:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 07/06/2011 02:52:24 http://www.dust514.com/en/news/article/1980/beginnings
2nd dev blog on the subject
Originally by: Elesaar
Question for CCP: So what happens when Play Station 4 comes out, do you need to redesign Dust 514 again for the new console so the whole side of planetary wars on EVE Online does not fade when that happens?
The same thing that happen to eve when 6 year old GPUs went out of date?
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Narkhana
Gallente Infinium Trading Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:51:00 -
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Yay, I'm glad my subscription money is subsidizing the development of two games (Dust and World of Darkness) that I either cannot play (Xbox FTW) or won't play (vampires are so passe). Yes CCP, I'm very grateful you're not putting my money back into the game I'm paying for, I didn't want it to get better. Thanks.
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RutilusUnus
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:52:00 -
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The trailer was amazing. I'm hoping that the planet shooting back at the dreadnought wasn't simply for show.
CCP. Make this game great. Take your time in releasing it and DO NOT RUSH IT. If it were to take another year then so be it. This game has the potential to change FPS games.
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Super Mommabear
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:52:00 -
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Are you trying to save PS3 and be like halo
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:53:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 07/06/2011 02:53:35
Originally by: Narkhana Yay, I'm glad my subscription money is subsidizing the development of two games (Dust and World of Darkness) that I either cannot play (Xbox FTW) or won't play (vampires are so passe). Yes CCP, I'm very grateful you're not putting my money back into the game I'm paying for, I didn't want it to get better. Thanks.
So it's bull**** that when you buy street fighter o the xbox, your money goes into making megaman legends for the 3DS?
grow up
also let me add I'm glad it's on ps3 simply for the fact they will let you release it in beta.
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Khyron Malafactor Edited by: Khyron Malafactor on 07/06/2011 02:49:21 Why one platform, I can see picking just one of the consoles to keep development costs down. However I cannot see why no PC support?! Especially since it is the platform that made you. Not everyone owns a PC, 360, and PS3 - most only really have one gaming platform to afford. Also with the limited number of PS3 players what happens when the new "hotness" wears off or like someone else stated the PS4 comes out (same would go for 360)? Are we left with ghost planets? This really needs at least a PC version also - hell with the way the young generation cycles shooters I would hit every platform you could stick it on that would work...
I've read about this actually...if you put even below average PC gamers against great console gamers, the console gamers will get completely slaughtered. No, not because of their "l33t" skills, it's a matter of controls. The mouse + keyboard combo is incredibly powerful and provides much better movement and aiming than any console controller. It's the primary reason I play counter-strike instead of Halo (that and 12 year old kids screaming racist insults at each other).
That said, the console market is HUGE. Really huge. Bigger than you think it is huge.
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Rusko Jenkins
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:54:00 -
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ps3 only.. really.. comon cpp, xbox is made by microsoft, a computer company,
u can get it on both consoles im sure...make it happen dammit!
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Sordeo Regius
Wrecking Shots Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:57:00 -
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PS3 only? 514 won't be on my shopping list. Way to ruin an MMO ccp.
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Angle elnA
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:58:00 -
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Edited by: Angle elnA on 07/06/2011 03:03:21
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.07 02:59:00 -
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A partnership with Sony, this will end well......
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LordSwift
Caldari The Alpha Company The Alpha Company Protectorates
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:00:00 -
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Well their goes my huge excitement for dust 514 right out the window. Thank you CCP guess il just stick with eve since i wont be buying a ps3 anytime soon.pfft ------
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Roman Truth
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:02:00 -
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YOU BASTARDS!
That's all I have to say, also I wont be playing Dust 514.
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Khyron Malafactor
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Hexxx
Originally by: Khyron Malafactor Edited by: Khyron Malafactor on 07/06/2011 02:49:21 Why one platform, I can see picking just one of the consoles to keep development costs down. However I cannot see why no PC support?! Especially since it is the platform that made you. Not everyone owns a PC, 360, and PS3 - most only really have one gaming platform to afford. Also with the limited number of PS3 players what happens when the new "hotness" wears off or like someone else stated the PS4 comes out (same would go for 360)? Are we left with ghost planets? This really needs at least a PC version also - hell with the way the young generation cycles shooters I would hit every platform you could stick it on that would work...
I've read about this actually...if you put even below average PC gamers against great console gamers, the console gamers will get completely slaughtered. No, not because of their "l33t" skills, it's a matter of controls. The mouse + keyboard combo is incredibly powerful and provides much better movement and aiming than any console controller. It's the primary reason I play counter-strike instead of Halo (that and 12 year old kids screaming racist insults at each other).
That said, the console market is HUGE. Really huge. Bigger than you think it is huge.
Correct, in fact MS tried this with a game called Shadowrun and the PC people ate them alive. Hell they even tried to "gimp" the PC players by making there screen blur when you turned really fast. Also you are correct the console market is huge; however, the PS3 is only a portion of it. Plus there are so many shooters out there and people jump from FPS to FPS like changing underwear. With a day a hot FPS can be dead. I just think it needs a bigger pool to pull from...
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Hayaishi
Gallente Aperture Harmonics
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:04:00 -
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Let me be the first in saying
**** YEAH!
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Tu Ko
Legio Geminatus Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:04:00 -
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Still is collosial waste of every measurable resource. The FPS in every aspect has been done to death. You not going to convince console players who are very used to clicking their machine off after 30 minutes ~ 1 hour to avail themselves to a persistant warfront. Thats like asking skateboarders to ride cross-country. This project proves that CCP doesn't understand what players are going to do with game mechanics.
If the game is based around 30 minute objects great, but this means that the console player base is going to base achievement off K/D ratios and have very little need for cohesive strategy, and the EVE Player (the contractor) is going to have to manipulate the contracts individually to produce an effective battleplan against the enemy. Which means the EVE player in question basically stops playing eve to set all that up.
If the developers go the reverse course where the console player sets his own open ended objectives as corps and alliance do in EVE, then there is going to have to be a workable economy for them to build and improve their empire. If those empires become self sustaining without EVE players giving them resources then what will be console players need of the connection to the EVE universe?
In the end we have this ultra thin margin of dependence and irrelevance. Given CCP inability to move quickly or thoughly in solving exploitive mechanics in Eve why would anyone assume that with divided attentions they'll do better on another game.
In conclusion I would like to throw down the gauntlet on this constant push to run away from EvE- The BETA and run around the conference halls pretending to have bona-fides as the ultimate sci-fi MMO. CCP never has yet to really deliever much more than grindable missions and open world PVP. Anything that got more complex FW, POS, Treaties, Exploration has yet to be fully realized and stand as pot marks and not credit to your developer portfolio.
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Mors Magne
Astral Adventure
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:05:00 -
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I would like to bring one of my Machariels up to a hollow asteroid or derelict space station ect., and dispatch an 'avatar' of mine to explore it. This to me is an ultimate experience. I'm not too bothered about the platform(s) required to do this.
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Gaius Secrteus
Special Service
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:07:00 -
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Great Sony--- so we could look forward to having our personal account information stolen?
Not buying any PS3 crap. You fail again CCP.
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Super Mommabear
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tu Ko Still is collosial waste of every measurable resource. The FPS in every aspect has been done to death. You not going to convince console players who are very used to clicking their machine off after 30 minutes ~ 1 hour to avail themselves to a persistant warfront. Thats like asking skateboarders to ride cross-country. This project proves that CCP doesn't understand what players are going to do with game mechanics.
If the game is based around 30 minute objects great, but this means that the console player base is going to base achievement off K/D ratios and have very little need for cohesive strategy, and the EVE Player (the contractor) is going to have to manipulate the contracts individually to produce an effective battleplan against the enemy. Which means the EVE player in question basically stops playing eve to set all that up.
If the developers go the reverse course where the console player sets his own open ended objectives as corps and alliance do in EVE, then there is going to have to be a workable economy for them to build and improve their empire. If those empires become self sustaining without EVE players giving them resources then what will be console players need of the connection to the EVE universe?
In the end we have this ultra thin margin of dependence and irrelevance. Given CCP inability to move quickly or thoughly in solving exploitive mechanics in Eve why would anyone assume that with divided attentions they'll do better on another game.
In conclusion I would like to throw down the gauntlet on this constant push to run away from EvE- The BETA and run around the conference halls pretending to have bona-fides as the ultimate sci-fi MMO. CCP never has yet to really deliever much more than grindable missions and open world PVP. Anything that got more complex FW, POS, Treaties, Exploration has yet to be fully realized and stand as pot marks and not credit to your developer portfolio.
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Hayaishi
Gallente Aperture Harmonics
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tu Ko Still is collosial waste of every measurable resource. The FPS in every aspect has been done to death. You not going to convince console players who are very used to clicking their machine off after 30 minutes ~ 1 hour to avail themselves to a persistant warfront. Thats like asking skateboarders to ride cross-country. This project proves that CCP doesn't understand what players are going to do with game mechanics.
If the game is based around 30 minute objects great, but this means that the console player base is going to base achievement off K/D ratios and have very little need for cohesive strategy, and the EVE Player (the contractor) is going to have to manipulate the contracts individually to produce an effective battleplan against the enemy. Which means the EVE player in question basically stops playing eve to set all that up.
If the developers go the reverse course where the console player sets his own open ended objectives as corps and alliance do in EVE, then there is going to have to be a workable economy for them to build and improve their empire. If those empires become self sustaining without EVE players giving them resources then what will be console players need of the connection to the EVE universe?
In the end we have this ultra thin margin of dependence and irrelevance. Given CCP inability to move quickly or thoughly in solving exploitive mechanics in Eve why would anyone assume that with divided attentions they'll do better on another game.
In conclusion I would like to throw down the gauntlet on this constant push to run away from EvE- The BETA and run around the conference halls pretending to have bona-fides as the ultimate sci-fi MMO. CCP never has yet to really deliever much more than grindable missions and open world PVP. Anything that got more complex FW, POS, Treaties, Exploration has yet to be fully realized and stand as pot marks and not credit to your developer portfolio.
CCP dare to be bold. And with their first break into the console market, They're being very bold indeed. And they will do great.
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Pharon Reichter
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:12:00 -
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Make a bridge between mmos and fps mmos - CHECK Make a bridge between PC games and CONSOLE GAMES - CHECK Compleetly **** it up by making it exclusivley available for ONE console - CHECK Proffit ?
Now srsly how ****ed up can that be ? bridge between pc and consoles and only make it for ONE console ?
Also on the train that wont be playing , also was excited but not going to change my console for it.
- 1 dust player.
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:12:00 -
[50]
Everyone needs to understand that CCP in no way was trying to market DUST to those who already play EVE Online. They are trying to get another revenue stream. If they succeed they'll be heralded as genius, if they fail.....
Problem I see is Sony has one of the worst names in the MMO market and thus I have to question why they would partner with them.
The fact the X360 has outsold the Playstation 3 and the Playstation 3 has falling sales compared to the Playstation 2 over the same time period from release makes Sony and the PS3 a curious choice.
Let's hope this isn't a prelude to CCP selling EVE Online to SOE, because that would be a death knell for the game.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Airwalkinman17
This came out of left field! It looks like it has a ton of potential. canĘt wait to hear/see/read more
CCP Shadow: There will be plenty more info coming your way in the coming months.
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Ordo Akin
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:14:00 -
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Well cant believe they sold to sony. Xbox has far many more FPS players. Wont have me playing Dusk now.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:14:00 -
[53]
Originally by: BrooksIsHere
You mentioned PSV support, can you give us any more details? Would this also only be for DUST or could we be looking at also interacting with EVE-Online through the PSV?
CCP Shadow:
At present, those plans are DUST 514-only, but itĘs still a bit too soon for us to reveal anything concrete with what will be possible.
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Pharon Reichter
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:14:00 -
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So.... why did you do it ? why PS3 only ?
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: k0wb0y-b33b0p
Will there be a beta before it ships? If so, can you guarantee that IĘll be a part of it? This looks hot.
CCP Shadow:
WeĘre not announcing the specifics quite yet, but yes there will be a beta.
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Sydney Cartone
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:17:00 -
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Gratz on the announcement date and the collaboration with Sony. Of course you get the usual whining from the Eve wheenies with whatever decision you make.
I suppose the security issue will be uppermost in everyone's minds, but frankly, I'm not that worried. I expect you'll be taking a a close look at that. It will be interesting to see how you have decided to integrate the two games - no small fete - to do it well I imagine.
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Flesh Slurper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:17:00 -
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If only it was on the PC then I would definitely buy it. I personally can't stand playing games on a console.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kyuss1979
I will say this though, DUST 514 looks absolutely stunning!!!!
CCP Shadow:
Thanks Kyuss. And our goal is really to extend the EVE universe to a whole new group of gamers, and of course weĘre hoping a great number of EVE Online players also get in on the action in DUST 514.
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sydney Cartone Gratz on the announcement date and the collaboration with Sony. Of course you get the usual whining from the Eve wheenies with whatever decision you make.
I suppose the security issue will be uppermost in everyone's minds, but frankly, I'm not that worried. I expect you'll be taking a a close look at that. It will be interesting to see how you have decided to integrate the two games - no small fete - to do it well I imagine.
You mean like CCPs close overlook of security on the new forums they shoved out then recalled....
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Super Mommabear
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: k0wb0y-b33b0p
Will there be a beta before it ships? If so, can you guarantee that IĘll be a part of it? This looks hot.
CCP Shadow:
WeĘre not announcing the specifics quite yet, but yes there will be a beta.
Where are these quotes coming from, I cant find them
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:19:00 -
[61]
Originally by: REGIS_MARK_V
The REGIS has been waiting for this game for over 2 years. The REGIS hopes this game will live up to itĘs potential. Where can The REGIS sign up for the BETA.
I am the Replicant Engineered for Galactic Infiltration and Sabotage MK V.
CCP Shadow:
The REGIS will get info about beta signups once we get to that point. Also, we suspect The REGIS will soon see DUST 514 living up to said potential.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: BlackCat862
I was under the impression that this would be a free PC game, is there any future plan to make it for pc for those of us that canĘt afford a PS3 and already play eve online?
CCP Shadow
BlackCat, DUST 514 is a PlayStation 3 exclusive title.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tu Ko Still is collosial waste of every measurable resource. The FPS in every aspect has been done to death. You not going to convince console players who are very used to clicking their machine off after 30 minutes ~ 1 hour to avail themselves to a persistant warfront.
why don't you actully read up on the game instead of talking out your...
every ship will work just like spaceship, with modules different fits, faction version, It has a skill system, even your personal armor can be fitting with different fits. You can fit armor or shield tank and so on.
It's a full blown fps RPG
also you can't make an account on that blog you linked could you answer some questions here too?
I want to know if the 4 races weapon types and tech would be making an appearance.
and if PI is going to be changed to what we saw in the vid.
if you can't answer these yet please just yet us know you can't.
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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Pharon Reichter So.... why did you do it ? why PS3 only ?
Two reasons: we found the PS3 to be MMO-friendly, but from a game design perspective there's a whole lot of very wonderful things the console brings to the table. While we can't entirely discuss this at this particular time, we'll be speaking more about it during the week during the myriad interviews we are conducting this week at E3.
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Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tgebbs
Sorry to ask this, since I know thereĘs a section specifically dealing with this, but just to clear it up.. the interactions in Dust 514 are actually taking place within the same EVE online gamespace / universe? Not just in fiction but in real player actions?
Apologies if thatĘs difficult to understand.
Anyway, I love the sound of this, persistent world shooter. mmmm. CanĘt wait to get my hands on it.
CCP Shadow:
Tgebbs, thatĘs correct. DUST 514 isnĘt just an EVE Online-themed persistent shooter, it actually shares the same virtual galaxy with EVE Online pilots (called capsuleers). The planets seen and interacted with by EVE Online capsuleers are the planets that DUST mercs fight it out on.
Player actions will ripple between both games, and DUST 514 players will have an impact on the EVE universe just as EVE Online players do.
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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Super Mommabear
Where are these quotes coming from, I cant find them
Shadow is answering player questions on the PlayStation.blog site.
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Ruby Khann
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:24:00 -
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It's gonna suck.
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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout You saw the live stream, now read the words from the man himself: CCP Hellmar's newest dev blog provides additional details about CCP's upcoming title, DUST 514. Learn more about DUST's mercenaries by reading his blog here.
* Read German translation * Read Russian translation
CCP Shadow is answering questions on the PlayStation.Blog about DUST 514. We will be reposting the questions and answers to this thread to keep you in the loop about DUST 514.
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Sorela
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:25:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Solomon XI
Why you choose exclusivity with Sony over Microsoft is beyond me. The 360 is a better console. Period.
I obviously don't work at CCP but I do know how this sort of thing works with Microsoft. The answer to your question is that Microsoft won't allow many things that a game like Dust flat out requires. The rules for patching alone are enough to drive any serious online game into the mud in 2 weeks flat. The server situation is another problem and makes working with Xbox basically no good.
So people stop raging at CCP. They had no choice.
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Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: ShoryukenII
I recently got the EVE trial after reading some rumours about this and the game is not for me (but I love the ISK and the things it makes people do like piracy). This game looks perfect for me. I do have a few questions.
If you have decided on how many players, are you allowed to tell us? (if so tell us =D) When you talk about virtual items do you mean people can pay real money to unlock weapons and vehicles or do they pay ISK to unlock these things? Or are you guys using a renting system similar to free to play FPSĘs? Is these a tactical teambased game (with classes)? Or is it run and gun?
Sorry if you have answered these in the article. I didnĘt bother reading it because I watched the reveal on the live stream.
CCP Shadow:
Hey Shoryukenll,
YouĘve asked a few things I canĘt delve too deeply into, but what I can comment on is what you said about virtual items and real money. DUST 514 will support purchases made through both in-game earned currency and real money currency.
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Lucinus Carr
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:26:00 -
[71]
Is this why there hasn't been any development work done on EVE for the last year?
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Xercodo
Amarr Daj'Juntar
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:28:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Super Mommabear
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: k0wb0y-b33b0p
Will there be a beta before it ships? If so, can you guarantee that IĘll be a part of it? This looks hot.
CCP Shadow:
WeĘre not announcing the specifics quite yet, but yes there will be a beta.
Where are these quotes coming from, I cant find them
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/06/06/introducing-dust-514-a-persistent-shooter-from-ccp/comment-page-1/#comments
no i wont link for j00
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:28:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Sir_Vague
Never really heard of this game, but definitely interested. The persistence and strong economy really stand out from every other shooter coming out this year, and I thank you for making map packs free and using the sale of virtual goods for funding. Will keep an eye on this game, as well as this studio.
CCP Shadow:
Excellent, glad to hear that. We donĘt charge for expansions in EVE Online, nor do we plan to charge for DUST 514 expansions. ItĘs how we roll at CCP. ;)
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Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:29:00 -
[74]
I don't have the space to give a proper discourse on the circumstances of EVE Online, DUST 514, and the lukewarm reception DUST received at E3; there's a lot of stuff that would have to be covered. I would like to go in depth, but for lack of time, here's a condensed analysis.
The outside world's historic interest and the growth trend of EVE Online was, through 2008, bolstered by strong word of mouth from players. Up until the introduction of Dominion, EVE Online's chief export was a large number of stories fostered by the game's unique, long term dynamics. When CCP began switching up game design, motivated by flawed metrics on customer attraction rates, retention time and churn rate, EVE Online suffered a great deal. Player interest in New Eden plummeted, burned out of enthusiasm because of consistently ignored pleas to fix the game's flaws; as far as CCP was concerned, complaining customers would be replaced with new ones within nine months (which was an utterly wrong assertion, as it turns out). Without player interest, the stories that produced interest in EVE Online evaporated. The gaming press has never been terribly interested in CCP beyond the dynamic that EVE Online presents; that disinterest was reflected in the extremely tepid response to DUST 514. Why should they have cared? After all, there hasn't been a good story to come out of EVE Online since 2009.
As a game, DUST 514 doesn't stand out from the crowd; it's yet another Unreal Engine 3 First Person Shooter with a gimmick involving a connection to an established game universe. It's very clear to someone who looks at the game that there isn't a strong vision behind that product. It's unimaginative and it looks and plays like any other sci-fi first person shooter in the brown worlds rendered by UE3. The gaming press doesn't really have much to say beyond the context of the press release because there isn't anything about DUST that generates excitement, beyond its attachment to the EVE Online dynamic. The Console dynamic is ill-suited for expanding EVE Online's because of the wildly differing patterns of use between consoles and PCs. EVE Online's dynamic is based on changes building over years. The political ramifications of anything that take place in DUST would play out over a longer period of time in EVE Online than the majority of people will actually be playing DUST 514.
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:30:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Xercodo
Originally by: Super Mommabear
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: k0wb0y-b33b0p
Will there be a beta before it ships? If so, can you guarantee that IĘll be a part of it? This looks hot.
CCP Shadow:
WeĘre not announcing the specifics quite yet, but yes there will be a beta.
Where are these quotes coming from, I cant find them
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/06/06/introducing-dust-514-a-persistent-shooter-from-ccp/comment-page-1/#comments
no i wont link for j00
Look up this has already been answered and linked
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:30:00 -
[76]
Originally by: OnTheBus666
Can we begin clan recruitment through EVE Gate?
CCP Shadow:
EVE Gate will absolutely be a useful tool for recruitment in the future. Our plan is to bring DUST 514 players into EVE Gate and itĘs part of our strategy for supporting a single shared community of EVE and DUST players.
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Rigel Silek
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:31:00 -
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I admit I was looking forward to Dust 514 since I first heard about it. But now... I can't justify buying a PS3 just for this game and there's not really any other games I've seen for PS3 that make me want to buy the console. Not to mention all the streaming stuff I can do on my computer and show on my TV. lol
I would love to know why the plans have changed to Dust being exclusively for PS3 but I suspect we will never know. I can't help feeling that it was likely a decision brought on by what Microsoft wouldn't allow or would require for it to be on the 360. Whatever the reason may be, I'd say it's a safe bet that they're missing out on at least half the potential player base by this move.
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Luvvin McHunt
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:31:00 -
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I would prefer a PC version but PS3 is a smarter long term decision if its console only.
Dust would be impossible on xbox live and die a slow painful death due to microsoft wanting $$$ for patches and updates - the overall cost of playing would be too high.
You would have to buy the Game + Game Subscription + Xbox Subscription + Pay for patches/updates.
On PS3 you can just buy the game and subscribe with the added bonus of playing on a more powerful console.
Would be great if CCP could incorporate Dust into the PS3 version of Steam as many people I know play EVE via Steam and it would make communication between players on the different platforms easier.
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Nac MacFeegle
Argyll Manufacturing
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:32:00 -
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This message is for Mr. PTtursson directly.
Sir, I believe that PS3 exclusivity is the biggest mistake that you could have made, especially in light of the problems that Sony has had lately with their online platform. Also, I have an XBox 360, and was looking forward to taking part in the defence (or other activities) of my planetary interests. Bluntly, there is no way in hell I am purchasing a PS3 to do this.
All I want now, in light of this disappointing announcement, is a guarantee, BOTH personal and as an executive of CCP, that my EVE Online account information will NOT be shared, in any way shape or form, with Sony or its affiliates. I have absolutely NO trust in their information security, and I will NOT trust them to have access to my personal information. Without this guarantee, I will cancel my accounts and INSIST on ALL of my information to be completely and irreversably purged from ALL datastores that CCP has.
-- WARNING: Poster has probably been drinking. Proceed with caution.
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Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: sobeyondhelp
How varied will the map terrain be? Being able to fight on 10,000s of planets is awesome but if there are only a dozen map variants for each type of planet the scenery will get old fast.
Will fighting be able to take place on hostile planets (barren, lava, ice, plasma, etc) or will it be limited to the temperates? Bonus feature for being able to fight on the floating installations of gas giants and oceanic planets!
Also, Capsuleers want to shot at the Dust Warbarges (at least damage them a little bit) :D
CCP Shadow
If I had my way, every map would be dotted with Icelandic volcanoes.
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gulftobay
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:32:00 -
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protip: posting on fb and twitter before your own web pages is considered meh these days, and -1 for the odd cross-quotes.
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Kasidis
Gallente Nexus.6
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:32:00 -
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I was brought to tears CCP. You have made my dreams come true. I already have a PS3 too, my day is made.
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Axon Atom
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:33:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Evelgrivion I don't have the space to give a proper discourse on the circumstances of EVE Online, DUST 514, and the lukewarm reception DUST received at E3; there's a lot of stuff that would have to be covered. I would like to go in depth, but for lack of time, here's a condensed analysis.
The outside world's historic interest and the growth trend of EVE Online was, through 2008, bolstered by strong word of mouth from players. When CCP began switching up game design, motivated by flawed metrics on customer attraction rates, retention time and churn rate, EVE Online suffered a great deal. Player interest in New Eden plummeted, burned out of enthusiasm because of consistently ignored pleas to fix the game's flaws. Why should they have cared? After all, there hasn't been a good story to come out of EVE Online since 2009.
eves playerbase has doubled sine 2008, it has never stopped gaining subs. stop being butthurt.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:33:00 -
[84]
Originally by: REGIS_MARK_V
One more question. When will Dust514.com forums go live?
CCP Shadow:
That will tie in with EVE Gate, but I canĘt provide an ETA on this yet.
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Benilopax
Gallente Isotech Engineering
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:34:00 -
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I'm actually quite pleased it's on PS3, sure the security stuff was rather ****ty but Xboxs are loud, require more discs, suffer bad frame rates and tend to just die on you for no reason I've seen friends lose so many Xboxs new or old I'm glad CCP went for technical reliability. ----------------------------------- New Eden Chronicles: Prime, Coming soon. |
Xercodo
Amarr Daj'Juntar
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: Super Mommabear
Look up this has already been answered and linked
ya i was like 5 min late lol
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ethan666
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:34:00 -
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So its, going to be a single player campaign then is it? Well it will be with the PSN getting hacked to all hell :P This game looked sooo good, but i just don`t think it will work on single platform. Especially PS3.
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Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: NLMX85-USA
@Bloody_Marcel there will be Move support? The article did not say anything about Move support. Would be pretty awesome though. Hope it is optimized for the Sharpshooter.
CCP Shadow:
DUST 514 is in fact being optimized for Sharpshooter.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:36:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Etero_Narciss
IĘm a little concerned about your statement that youĘll buy weapons and equipment through microtransaction. It sounds a lot like ōbuying a winö, which was something CCP has stated in the past that they wished to avoid.
Any comments on this?
CCP Shadow:
No, it wonĘt be possible to ōbuy a winö. The first DUST 514 dev blog from our Creative Director CCP Praetorian addresses this in greater detail than IĘm able to here:
http://www.dust514.com/en/news/article/1980/beginnings
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Salpun
Gallente Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:38:00 -
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Originally by: Nac MacFeegle This message is for Mr. PTtursson directly.
Sir, I believe that PS3 exclusivity is the biggest mistake that you could have made, especially in light of the problems that Sony has had lately with their online platform. Also, I have an XBox 360, and was looking forward to taking part in the defence (or other activities) of my planetary interests. Bluntly, there is no way in hell I am purchasing a PS3 to do this.
All I want now, in light of this disappointing announcement, is a guarantee, BOTH personal and as an executive of CCP, that my EVE Online account information will NOT be shared, in any way shape or form, with Sony or its affiliates. I have absolutely NO trust in their information security, and I will NOT trust them to have access to my personal information. Without this guarantee, I will cancel my accounts and INSIST on ALL of my information to be completely and irreversably purged from ALL datastores that CCP has.
Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 07/06/2011 02:50:37
Originally by: Bloodthirsty Reaver --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally by: Token Afrodude --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally by: Nac MacFeegle -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Despite the fail exclusivity... I want a post from CCP High Command committing that their EVE Online user data will not be shared in any way, shape, or form with Sony. They CANNOT be trusted with this data, and if I cannot get this guarantee, I will be insisting on a complete purge of my accounts from CCP's systems. With lawyers, if necessary. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed
Anyone else noticing that CCP hasn't posted anything at all about this? Almost depressing. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I can't follow every thread on the subject but I will say this. Today we're not sharing any information with them. If we did we'd be obligated to tell you so in our privacy agreements or other legal agreements, especially if this data changes national boundaries.
:edit: and by information I mean your personal data of course.
The security head at CCP has already posted on the matter.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:38:00 -
[91]
Originally by: TERROI2iST
Will there be a clan ladder? and private/custom rooms?
CCP Shadow:
More info about these aspects of DUST 514 will be touched upon in dev blogs at http://www.DUST514.com in the coming months, leading up to beta and launch.
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GrayLensman
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:39:00 -
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CCP's decision to make Dust 514 a PS3 exlusive title is just beyond speechless. I am a loyal CCP customer for over 5 years with 3 accounts. I am sure there are many legitimate (in the Dust 514 game designer minds) reasons for choosing PS3. However, there are many XBOX fans amongst the EVE fan-base who will legitimately remain unconvinced about CCP's decision.
The fact that CCP and NVIDIA have become significant partners in advancing EVE's eye candy (aka PC-based), just plays counter-intuitive to abandoning any console relationship with Microsoft. Meaning, it plays to your advantage to max-out the PC client and leverage Microsoft, and consequently any console partnership and subsequent multi-million member XBOX player base. Of course, this would play against the PS3 console-base too - and that means some will "lose" in the decision.
I certaintly envy the PS3 playerbase amongst the EVE player community, but I will not abandon my XBOX investment. I am truly sorry about this exclusive arrangement - even though as a closet technologist I understand the technical reasons for choosing a single platform. Just give me the opportunity to shoot the bastards in my PC client.
I still wish CCP all the best - I have no idea what I would do without EVE.
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Zorkin
Minmatar Galactic Initiative Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:41:00 -
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I was interested to see how Dust would be and integrate in with Eve. However, being a PS3 exclusive is IMO a god awful idea and CCP should be flamed for being stupid in making a decision like this. Talk about reducing your window for more players and choosing a system with serious security flaws. I sure as hell will not be purchasing a PS3 for Dust and will despise CCP (Only with Dust) for ruining a potentially great idea of integrating Eve and Dust.
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Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: AsuraCZ
Hi, I am Eve Player and PS3 owner and have been waiting for Dust for a looooong time :). Any news on the beta? Will the sign-ups be on dust website? Will eve players be preferred? Will I need Playstation Plus to be in beta?
CCP Shadow:
ItĘs too soon to reveal the beta details but we certainly do want EVE Online players in beta.
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Higgs Bison
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:41:00 -
[95]
How will EVE be affected is Dust is a flop?
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Stark Thunder
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:42:00 -
[96]
Maybe I'm being an idiot but i cant get the trailer from E3 to play on the dust site
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CCP Sreegs
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:42:00 -
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:43:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Kyuss1979
IĘm soooo disappointed that this is a PS3 exclusive!!! Why no PC version??? What happens when the PS3 platform ends?? As a current EVE player, i think itĘs a big mistake on CCPĘs part to exclude PC users from being able to take control of this aspect of THEIR game universe.
I will say this though, DUST 514 looks absolutely stunning!!!!
CCP Shadow:
Thanks Kyuss. And our goal is really to extend the EVE universe to a whole new group of gamers, and of course weĘre hoping a great number of EVE Online players also get in on the action in DUST 514.
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Benilopax
Gallente Isotech Engineering
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:46:00 -
[99]
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: REGIS_MARK_V
One more question. When will Dust514.com forums go live?
CCP Shadow:
That will tie in with EVE Gate, but I canĘt provide an ETA on this yet.
My question: What are you doing up at this time of night? Unless you are in Atlanta, or Shanghai... ----------------------------------- New Eden Chronicles: Prime, Coming soon. |
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Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:48:00 -
[100]
Originally by: ysomad2
so will there be a monthly fee? because this game looks uber cool, but IĘm not sure if I can afford a monthly fee
CCP Shadow:
There will not be a monthly fee to play DUST 514. The game will be supported by virtual goods sales, but of course you can play the game and buy gear with the currency you earn in-game through your successes in combat.
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Max Gades
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:49:00 -
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Edited by: Max Gades on 07/06/2011 03:53:25 why am i going to buy a game thats with a company that cant keep its online server safe from hacking or keep it up and online? second is the dust 514 server going to be just like the sony online server? supposably unhackable? thanks i like keeping my personal information as my own. so answer the question of secruirty for dust514 and i might consider having second thoughs of no bother waisting money for another game system just to play it exclusivly... answer that please?
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Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:50:00 -
[102]
Originally by: barter9
You said it all in your opening statement. This is the kind of shooter game IĘve wanted to play for a long, long time. Star Wars Battlefront had the basic idea and if you go back there have been different versions of the same thing, be they turn based, flight sim or FPS.
One thing I would like (and therefore, like to know) is the option to pilot vehicles either as an individual or as part of a crew. This could be jets, starfighters, command platforms, artillery, tanks, assault vehicles, etc. They could be run solo or with friends as part of a team who share in the spoils of their successful employ. Think this sort of thing will happen or are we looking a little more exclusively at the merc. grunts in this story.
Another question this brings to mind is the connection between your pay as a mercenary and the equipment you can buy from this virtual economy. Will there be a crossover between your digital wallet and the real world cash you put into the game (say a 10 : 1 ratio or something like that)?
Keep moving forward, this is one game that is high on my radar!
CCP Shadow:
About vehicles ł all IĘll say is that every vehicle you saw in the Pale Red Dot trailer was piloted by a player.
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Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:52:00 -
[103]
Originally by: ysomad2
in the trailer you showed, i couldnĘt tell if the gun was shooting bullets or if it was an energy weapon. the muzzle flash looked blueish, but the ōbulletsö flying through the air looked like actual bullets
CCP Shadow:
ThatĘs a hybrid weapon that fires plasma bolts, something which should be quite familiar to capsuleers in EVE Online. Particularly if youĘve been on the receiving end.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Spricer WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:54:00 -
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Edited by: Naomi Wildfire on 07/06/2011 03:56:06 Boooring
Quote: weĘre hoping a great number of EVE Online players also get in on the action in DUST 514.
Well, its PS3 exclusive which is a pretty clear statement against EVE Players.
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Versuvius Marii
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:55:00 -
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CCP, maker of game that crashes every single week and adds more bugs than they fix. Sony, creator of PSN - access credit card details here, that is if you can get online.
Match made in heaven? ============= Stupid Evepress is down. What's a carebear to do... ============= |
Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Luz well dust went from a must have to a pass for me. sorry ccp but you lost my $60. i hope your ps3 exclusive deal was a good one
Well, if by 'good' you mean sony weren't '****s' about restrictions like MS, then yes.
MS doesn't allow any game to communicate outside of the XBL network, so if they were to make it for xbox it wouldn't actually be connected to TQ.
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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:57:00 -
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Originally by: Benilopax
My question: What are you doing up at this time of night? Unless you are in Atlanta, or Shanghai...
Shadow is in Shanghai :)
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Max Gades
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:57:00 -
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Edited by: Max Gades on 07/06/2011 04:01:46 Edited by: Max Gades on 07/06/2011 03:59:48 BUMPS FOR THIS Versuvius Marii <-VERY WELL PUT.
notice how every post of secruity that been brought us has been ignored.....
and agreed $60 less from may pocket. but more like $400+ if i was to even bother to play dust because i'd have to get a ps3 and there isnt a point because ps4 is what next year?
oh and another question CCP is the EVE players accounts going to be in any RELATION CONNECTED TO THE PLAYSTATION NETWORK?
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OwlManAtt
Gallente Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:58:00 -
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It's extremely disappointing to hear that DUST will be a Playstation exclusive. I'm not interested in doing business with a company as astoundingly bad at protecting their customers as they have proven to be. --- Owl |
Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Spricer WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: Higgs Bison How will EVE be affected is Dust is a flop?
Why do you ignore this question btw, it is very important.
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Nac MacFeegle
Argyll Manufacturing
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: Salpun
Originally by: Nac MacFeegle This message is for Mr. PTtursson directly.
Sir, I believe that PS3 exclusivity is the biggest mistake that you could have made, especially in light of the problems that Sony has had lately with their online platform. Also, I have an XBox 360, and was looking forward to taking part in the defence (or other activities) of my planetary interests. Bluntly, there is no way in hell I am purchasing a PS3 to do this.
All I want now, in light of this disappointing announcement, is a guarantee, BOTH personal and as an executive of CCP, that my EVE Online account information will NOT be shared, in any way shape or form, with Sony or its affiliates. I have absolutely NO trust in their information security, and I will NOT trust them to have access to my personal information. Without this guarantee, I will cancel my accounts and INSIST on ALL of my information to be completely and irreversably purged from ALL datastores that CCP has.
Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 07/06/2011 02:50:37
Originally by: Bloodthirsty Reaver --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally by: Token Afrodude --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally by: Nac MacFeegle -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Despite the fail exclusivity... I want a post from CCP High Command committing that their EVE Online user data will not be shared in any way, shape, or form with Sony. They CANNOT be trusted with this data, and if I cannot get this guarantee, I will be insisting on a complete purge of my accounts from CCP's systems. With lawyers, if necessary. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed
Anyone else noticing that CCP hasn't posted anything at all about this? Almost depressing. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I can't follow every thread on the subject but I will say this. Today we're not sharing any information with them. If we did we'd be obligated to tell you so in our privacy agreements or other legal agreements, especially if this data changes national boundaries.
:edit: and by information I mean your personal data of course.
The security head at CCP has already posted on the matter.
And until I see a press release, or a front-page-announced blog entry from someone who matters, I will not be satisified. The clock is ticking, CCP. Do you want the money from the people who are legitimately concerned abot this?
-- WARNING: Poster has probably been drinking. Proceed with caution.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: Hublebubble
Looks impressive, and I have been following since FF 2009. <3
I demand you put the EVE Future Vision on the Dust website.
My question: 1)Will Dust use the new EVE-gate forums (Which are currently being worked on)? I want to be able to talk on official forums about dust!
2) Will there be a Dustelopedia or will it share the evelopedia?
4)Player Skills In EVE, skills were obtained over time through the training queue. Will something similar exist in Dust, or will skill progression occur from battles and experience?
Thank you for answering our questions, from your NO. 1 fansite ;)
CCP Shadow:
Hey Hublebubble,
IĘll take a stab at what I can here.
DUST 514 will be tied in with EVE Gate further down the road.
DUST 514 on EVElopedia ū I honestly donĘt have the answer on that just yet. ItĘs something thatĘs still being discussed.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: DICard
Ive been a Eve player for a little over a year, and i must say the game continues to get better and better. Dust 514 looks to be a truly amazing game. Have you guys ever considered having Dust players controlled by one Eve player to board another Eve players ship to fight over control of the ship because that would just be down right AMAZING!!!(and give a new definition to piracy)
CCP Shadow:
Ideas of this nature were discussed at the past EVE Online Fanfest in Reykjavik. Needless to say, we loved what we heard, but at this time ship boarding is not what weĘre focused on. DUST 514 is focused on planetary combat.
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CCP Sreegs
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Max Gades Edited by: Max Gades on 07/06/2011 03:53:25 why am i going to buy a game thats with a company that cant keep its online server safe from hacking or keep it up and online? second is the dust 514 server going to be just like the sony online server? supposably unhackable? thanks i like keeping my personal information as my own. so answer the question of secruirty for dust514 and i might consider having second thoughs of no bother waisting money for another game system just to play it exclusivly... answer that please?
There is no such thing as completely unhackable, there are merely degrees of hackability. Anyone telling you otherwise is blowing rays of sunshine in your eye. That's merely an academic statement. We will speak more about the interaction between EVE and Dust in the near future as it becomes more final.
As I stated here http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1523611&page=3#88 we aren't currently planning on pushing any of your EVE related information to Sony.
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Salpun
Gallente Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:02:00 -
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Edited by: Salpun on 07/06/2011 04:04:28 The only reponse that is needed was reposted from another thread by me on the last page.
CCP Screggs did answer the question himself like 10 posts up but deleated his post after he saw my post.
All acounts will connect directly to CCP servers when money trasanctions are needed.
:edit: Screggs beats me to the punch
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CCP Sreegs
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: Max Gades Edited by: Max Gades on 07/06/2011 04:01:46 Edited by: Max Gades on 07/06/2011 03:59:48 BUMPS FOR THIS Versuvius Marii <-VERY WELL PUT.
notice how every post of secruity that been brought us has been ignored.....
and agreed $60 less from may pocket. but more like $400+ if i was to even bother to play dust because i'd have to get a ps3 and there isnt a point because ps4 is what next year?
oh and another question CCP is the EVE players accounts going to be in any RELATION CONNECTED TO THE PLAYSTATION NETWORK?
I've actually responded to every security-related question I've seen so I'm not sure what you mean about being ignored. The answer to your question may now be found linked thrice in this thread and again NOW |
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CCP Sreegs
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: Nac MacFeegle
And until I see a press release, or a front-page-announced blog entry from someone who matters, I will not be satisified. The clock is ticking, CCP. Do you want the money from the people who are legitimately concerned abot this?
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Spricer WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: DICard
Ive been a Eve player for a little over a year, and i must say the game continues to get better and better. Dust 514 looks to be a truly amazing game. Have you guys ever considered having Dust players controlled by one Eve player to board another Eve players ship to fight over control of the ship because that would just be down right AMAZING!!!(and give a new definition to piracy)
CCP Shadow:
Ideas of this nature were discussed at the past EVE Online Fanfest in Reykjavik. Needless to say, we loved what we heard, but at this time ship boarding is not what weĘre focused on. DUST 514 is focused on planetary combat.
Ship boarding would kill the EVE many players joined for, i dont want to care about FPS when i only want to play with Spaceships. Its already bad enough to force EVE Players to rely on a Console FPS game.
Quote: How will EVE be affected is Dust is a flop?
Stop ignoring it. Please, everyone ask this question so it doesnt get ignored any further!
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Nac MacFeegle
Argyll Manufacturing
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:07:00 -
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Originally by: Salpun The only reponse that is needed was reposted from another thread by me on the last page.
CCP Screggs did answer the question himself like 10 posts up but deleated his post after he saw my post.
All acounts will connect directly to CCP servers when money trasanctions are needed.
ANYTHING that involves transfer of personal data to/from Sony needs to be announced publically, NOW. They have proven themselves incapable recently of securing that kind of data.
And by "announcing", I mean by public press release, not something easily buried in a forum.
-- WARNING: Poster has probably been drinking. Proceed with caution.
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:07:00 -
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As I type this post, the dust514.com site is still trying to load in to my browser. Console kiddies won't stand for such sluggish performance.
I loved playing SOE's Planetside on my PC eight years ago. Thankfully, that account information is now inaccurate and out-of-date. What steps are CCP and Sony taking to ensure better user account security than what was in-place at Sony earlier this year? What steps is CCP Games taking to ensure that its existing user base isn't subject to the effects of concentrated 'revenge' attacks on its infrastructure?
And are you guys joking when it comes to introducing the existing EVE Gate interface to the wider gaming public? That kluge of a social networking site is embarrassing on so many different levels. Do yourselves justice and bring in some external usability and information architecture professionals (not to mention Internet security specialists) to work w/your internal team on that thing before opening the console user floodgates.
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OwlManAtt
Gallente Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:09:00 -
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Will a PSN account be required to play DUST? --- Owl |
Della Monk
Broski Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: Nac MacFeegle
Originally by: Salpun The only reponse that is needed was reposted from another thread by me on the last page.
CCP Screggs did answer the question himself like 10 posts up but deleated his post after he saw my post.
All acounts will connect directly to CCP servers when money trasanctions are needed.
ANYTHING that involves transfer of personal data to/from Sony needs to be announced publically, NOW. They have proven themselves incapable recently of securing that kind of data.
And by "announcing", I mean by public press release, not something easily buried in a forum.
That's exactly what Sreegs said. IF they were giving our info out, they would tell us. In the absence of such notice, it's safe to assume they aren't. In the presence of the head of security, it's safe to be certain.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: KoruptDawg
ōDUST 514 will support purchases made through both in-game earned currency and real money currency.ö
This sounds like the whole ōCan-only-get-the-GOOD-stuff-if-you-actually-pay-for-itö deal.
CCP Shadow:
Nope. It wonĘt work like that, weĘre going to have a balanced system. There will be a secondary market with player-to-player trading. A player can buy virtual goods with real world currency, put it on the market, which can be bought by a player with in-game earned currency. This is explained in greater detail in CCP PraetorianĘs dev blog here: http://www.dust514.com/en/news/article/1980/beginnings
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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: OwlManAtt Will a PSN account be required to play DUST?
Yes.
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Nac MacFeegle
Argyll Manufacturing
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Originally by: Nac MacFeegle
And until I see a press release, or a front-page-announced blog entry from someone who matters, I will not be satisified. The clock is ticking, CCP. Do you want the money from the people who are legitimately concerned abot this?
You wound me :(
Sorry Bucky, but until I get public (and I mean PUBLIC) reassurance from the God Emperor of CCP, I'm not going to be satisified. And I don't believe a lot of people will be, either.
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Higgs Bison
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:16:00 -
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Just so this doesn't get buried.
Quote: How will EVE be affected is Dust is a flop?
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Tyme Xandr
Gallente Stones Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:18:00 -
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Well, I am in a similar boat as many other people here are in. I am an XBOX360 owner and was very interested and even excited about Dust514, however; I cant justify the purchase of another console just for this game.
I suppose I will have to suffice while spend my days playing Gears of War 3 ...
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Spricer WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: KoruptDawg
ōDUST 514 will support purchases made through both in-game earned currency and real money currency.ö
This sounds like the whole ōCan-only-get-the-GOOD-stuff-if-you-actually-pay-for-itö deal.
CCP Shadow:
Nope. It wonĘt work like that, weĘre going to have a balanced system. There will be a secondary market with player-to-player trading. A player can buy virtual goods with real world currency, put it on the market, which can be bought by a player with in-game earned currency. This is explained in greater detail in CCP PraetorianĘs dev blog here: http://www.dust514.com/en/news/article/1980/beginnings
Come on, the Aurum thing is a joke. You have to buy more than you need and its completely out of balance.
Lets say, on the test server its currently (i believe) 3500 Aurum for one Plex, a piece of cloth costs 1-2 Aurum. If you want one special thing you have to sacrifice a whole plex and have lots of unused Aurums. Doing a little math, 1 Aurum is worth 114,286 ISK. Hell you can buy a Spaceship or a Skirt.
You cant be serious with all the stuff, you even have a crap taste when it comes to clothes, they look not very cool.
Quote: How will EVE be affected is Dust is a flop?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:23:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 07/06/2011 04:25:16
Originally by: Naomi Wildfire
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: KoruptDawg
ōDUST 514 will support purchases made through both in-game earned currency and real money currency.ö
This sounds like the whole ōCan-only-get-the-GOOD-stuff-if-you-actually-pay-for-itö deal.
CCP Shadow:
Nope. It wonĘt work like that, weĘre going to have a balanced system. There will be a secondary market with player-to-player trading. A player can buy virtual goods with real world currency, put it on the market, which can be bought by a player with in-game earned currency. This is explained in greater detail in CCP PraetorianĘs dev blog here: http://www.dust514.com/en/news/article/1980/beginnings
Come on, the Aurum thing is a joke. You have to buy more than you need and its completely out of balance.
Lets say, on the test server its currently (i believe) 3500 Aurum for one Plex, a piece of cloth costs 1-2 Aurum. If you want one special thing you have to sacrifice a whole plex and have lots of unused Aurums. Doing a little math, 1 Aurum is worth 114,286 ISK. Hell you can buy a Spaceship or a Skirt.
You cant be serious with all the stuff, you even have a crap taste when it comes to clothes, they look not very cool.
Quote: How will EVE be affected is Dust is a flop?
um the whole secondary market is based on what you just posted. The fact is you can A buy my one aurum item off the market for 300,000isk. Or you can buy 3500 aurm and get it bulk discount. Edited by: MotherMoon on 07/06/2011 04:24:03
Originally by: Naomi Wildfire
Originally by: Higgs Bison How will EVE be affected is Dust is a flop?
Why do you ignore this question btw, it is very important.
becuase it's been answered 1000 times?
also I'll ask again. Are the 4 races going to apparent in dust 514
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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Higgs Bison How will EVE be affected is Dust is a flop?
The games don't require each other to work.
Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us |
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Dan Brimstone
Order of Dendera Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:27:00 -
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I'm probably one of the few that doesn't really mind it being on PS3, although I am a little ****ed that I have to buy another freaking game console. My biggest problem is the PS3 controller, it really isn't that great for FPS's, the offset control stick on the left side is a real pain in the butt.
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Salpun
Gallente Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:28:00 -
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All 5 races are identified on the site. As they are using a CQ like interface as the main hub for the 514ers. Race will be very apparent I would think. We might even see them out in the stations which will populate some areas nicely.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Sekoku
IĘm asking this completely honest: I donĘt care about the MMO universe, what is the hook or appeal for me a non-MMO shooter fan? Yes, I know of the link. No, I donĘt care. What is there to appeal to me with games like Call of Duty or Battlefield or other shooters (some sci-fi, most not) coming out?
CCP Shadow:
The most compelling aspect of DUST 514 is that your battles are meaningful. You conquer territory working with EVE players, or you can do the same with your fellow DUST 514 mercs. DUST 514 is a persistent world, something that other titles out there just donĘt offer.
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Aachor
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:30:00 -
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Looks good CCP! Despite all the naysayers saying "nay", it's been my experience that EVE is one of the highest quality MMO's available. I expect and look forward to the same from DUST 514. I am especially looking forward to the integration of the two games.
One question: will EVE players have the opportunity to produce goods/weapons/equips used by DUST players?
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:31:00 -
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Wish you guys got some more exposure out there. You definitely need to have a dedicated conference to show what this game is all about. Visuals definitely need to be improved and optimized.
Will there be a PC version?
You guys have my full support on this one. :)
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Spricer WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:33:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Higgs Bison How will EVE be affected is Dust is a flop?
The games don't require each other to work.
Wasn't there a statement that they should do the sovereignty conflicts for us, which would be a pretty essential role.
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Sassums
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:33:00 -
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Not happy it will only be on the PS3.
Just what I want is to give them my information for it to be hacked like last time.
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Bane Loppknow
Pel Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:33:00 -
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As disappointed as I am with the ps3 exclusivity, I'm still looking forward to DUST. I'd like to see, at some point, mercs being able to storm capital ships, forcibly ejecting the capsuleers, and turning it over to a waiting ally. Could open up whole new avenues of gameplay in both games. Capsuleers flying boarding frigates, etc.
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:37:00 -
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Also, to what extent will the PlayStation Vita's role play in all of this?
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Spricer WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Loppknow As disappointed as I am with the ps3 exclusivity, I'm still looking forward to DUST. I'd like to see, at some point, mercs being able to storm capital ships, forcibly ejecting the capsuleers, and turning it over to a waiting ally. Could open up whole new avenues of gameplay in both games. Capsuleers flying boarding frigates, etc.
Well, how exactly do you wanna board a ship by force. You'd need to break through its hull and hey, as long as my armor is intact and i can rep against that you cant to ****.
If i want to play a shooter, i turn off eve and start one. I dont want to play eve and be forced to be tied to FPS stuff.
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DavidJayder
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Loppknow As disappointed as I am with the ps3 exclusivity, I'm still looking forward to DUST. I'd like to see, at some point, mercs being able to storm capital ships, forcibly ejecting the capsuleers, and turning it over to a waiting ally. Could open up whole new avenues of gameplay in both games. Capsuleers flying boarding frigates, etc.
Just gonna say. Boarding and taking ships is the worst idea ever. CCP should never actually do that.
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Higgs Bison How will EVE be affected is Dust is a flop?
The games don't require each other to work.
That may be technically true at some level. But then what is so compelling about the EVE - Dust 514 relationship? All marketing materials blur the line between both IPs to such an extent that it seems absurd that CCP believes there is no interdependency.
What is the risk to the EVE IP should players find that the number of available Dust mercenaries is limited or non-existent after the console title is released?
What if the **** that Dust mercs is supposed to attack doesn't have enough value to EVE players and potential points of conflict go uncontested?
Lastly, at what point will both application and database layers be upgraded to handle the data and relationship between the two gaming platforms? How will CCP ensure that these additional bits and parts do not impact the PC side of things?
Originally by: Higgs Bison How will EVE be affected if Dust is a flop?
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Gypsy RoseLee
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:39:00 -
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I would never trust Sony with my personal information, you just guaranteed that I'll never play Dust 514. The direction you have taken Eve Online in the last couple years, your disregard for personal privacy and security when deploying the new forums was as bad, if not worse than Sony's recent security breaches.
All three of my paid accounts as of now are canceled. Vote with your wallets people, how else will CCP get the message.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsy RoseLee All three of my paid accounts as of now are canceled. Vote with your wallets people, how else will CCP get the message.
Can I have your stuff?
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Ophelia Crotchmore
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: ysomad2
so will there be a monthly fee? because this game looks uber cool, but IĘm not sure if I can afford a monthly fee
CCP Shadow:
There will not be a monthly fee to play DUST 514. The game will be supported by virtual goods sales, but of course you can play the game and buy gear with the currency you earn in-game through your successes in combat.
No monthly fee = AWESOME Looking forward to Dust.
I've seen lots of people saying Sony's security is why they wont get Dust and it seems that they would prefer it on xbox live but - it makes no sense when you think about it.
Microsoft has not been able to make any versions of Windows, Internet Explorer or Office completely secure after many versions/patches/years. Why assume Microsoft made Xbox Live 100% secure even when they not be able to do it with any other product ever? Live could have been hacked 100 times and you just haven't been told.
PSN security will be just as good or better then Xbox Live's since Sony toughened it up.
To more important issues: Will Dust support Keyboard/Mouse on PS3?
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Max Gades
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:44:00 -
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Edited by: Max Gades on 07/06/2011 04:45:20 The airnt currently comment in CCP Fallouts reply to my eailer post gives me no reassurance at all what so ever... another question though the PNS account or what ever for dust on sony will that require any of the same information that we already have in order to pay eve? if the answer is yes then yeah we just made full circle
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Salpun
Gallente Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsy RoseLee I would never trust Sony with my personal information, you just guaranteed that I'll never play Dust 514. The direction you have taken Eve Online in the last couple years, your disregard for personal privacy and security when deploying the new forums was as bad, if not worse than Sony's recent security breaches.
All three of my paid accounts as of now are canceled. Vote with your wallets people, how else will CCP get the message.
Did you even read the thread. Your info is safe.
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Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:47:00 -
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Stuff I want to know:
-How "real time" are we talking? Can i fire from orbit as we've seen in 2 vids now, and how easy is it to assplode ships in orbit?
-How many items are going to be Aurum-ONLY purchases vs player made?
-How much ISK is going to be injected into the game or will it require eve player donations for incentive?
-How are teams decided? How are matches created? What if no planets are contested in eve?
-On that note, is this for Sov, for wars, for FW, for the destruction of PI mods only?
-Can I, as the person that probably installed the anti-dread gun on the planet, use it on my own? What is the range on such a weapon, dmg, tracking, etc. Assumption: bombardment requires Dust dudes to place beacon to blow up crap on surface, and specific ship in orbit will be required to blow up **** in orbit from the surface, thus the dust-benefits-eve end of the spectrum.
-What's to stop me from flooding a 64 player map with people I know filling both sides and just letting the planet get crushed?
-Can I, as a lone wolf, join ANY battle going on, or am I required to have an interest in the fight (I.E. be in a corp that is either attacking or defending?)
-Will Dust have mouse and keyboard support? (Def a necessity for peeps like me that hate console FPS's but are still excited bout Dust).
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Della Monk
Broski Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:47:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Oberine Noriepa Also, to what extent will the PlayStation Vita's role play in all of this?
My money's on a beefed-up version of the various apps that exist for eve. Skills, fittings, equipment, eve gate(ha), in-game chat so that you can actually get console players coordinated when they aren't at their console, etc.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:51:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Della Monk
Originally by: Oberine Noriepa Also, to what extent will the PlayStation Vita's role play in all of this?
My money's on a beefed-up version of the various apps that exist for eve. Skills, fittings, equipment, eve gate(ha), in-game chat so that you can actually get console players coordinated when they aren't at their console, etc.
well.. considering the Vita can run PS3 games... It might just be a mobile version of dust to be honest.
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:52:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Della Monk
Originally by: Oberine Noriepa Also, to what extent will the PlayStation Vita's role play in all of this?
My money's on a beefed-up version of the various apps that exist for eve. Skills, fittings, equipment, eve gate(ha), in-game chat so that you can actually get console players coordinated when they aren't at their console, etc.
I was thinking this as well, but it's nice to get confirmation. :)
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.07 04:55:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Salpun
Originally by: Gypsy RoseLee I would never trust Sony with my personal information, you just guaranteed that I'll never play Dust 514. The direction you have taken Eve Online in the last couple years, your disregard for personal privacy and security when deploying the new forums was as bad, if not worse than Sony's recent security breaches.
All three of my paid accounts as of now are canceled. Vote with your wallets people, how else will CCP get the message.
Did you even read the thread. Your info is rarely safe on network-connected systems.
Fixed that one for you.
Originally by: Higgs Bison How will EVE be affected if Dust is a flop?
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:01:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Hakaru Ishiwara
Originally by: Salpun
Originally by: Gypsy RoseLee I would never trust Sony with my personal information, you just guaranteed that I'll never play Dust 514. The direction you have taken Eve Online in the last couple years, your disregard for personal privacy and security when deploying the new forums was as bad, if not worse than Sony's recent security breaches.
All three of my paid accounts as of now are canceled. Vote with your wallets people, how else will CCP get the message.
Did you even read the thread. Your info is rarely safe on network-connected systems.
Fixed that one for you.
Not empty quoting...
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Salpun
Gallente Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:04:00 -
[154]
Quiting eve then did not think so then your point while relavent leaves everyone with the same amount of risk.
Question for the devs. Are the markets for Dust and EVE split. From what I have read this is the case but needs to be confirmed. We need a graphic Is it same station two markets dealing in diffent items accessable only by one type of player or is it two markets one ISK/One vanity money?
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:06:00 -
[155]
Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 07/06/2011 05:06:33
Originally by: Salpun Quiting eve then did not think so then your point while relavent leaves everyone with the same amount of risk.
Question for the devs. Are the markets for Dust and EVE split. From what I have read this is the case but needs to be confirmed. We need a graphic Is it same station two markets dealing in diffent items accessable only by one type of player or is it two markets one ISK/One vanity money?
Check out this link, it explains a lot. PlayStation Blog: Introducing Dust 514, a Persistent Shooter from CCP
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CCP Sreegs
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:06:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Gypsy RoseLee I would never trust Sony with my personal information, you just guaranteed that I'll never play Dust 514. The direction you have taken Eve Online in the last couple years, your disregard for personal privacy and security when deploying the new forums was as bad, if not worse than Sony's recent security breaches.
All three of my paid accounts as of now are canceled. Vote with your wallets people, how else will CCP get the message.
To clarify, as has been stated repeatedly, your personal information was never at risk on the forums. |
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Spricer WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:07:00 -
[157]
Edited by: Naomi Wildfire on 07/06/2011 05:10:47
Quote: Is it same station two markets dealing in diffent items accessable only by one type of player or is it two markets one ISK/One vanity money?
As you can currently see on Sisi they already have a very basic looking kind of Vanity item shop.
Quote:
Originally by: CCP Sreegs To clarify, as has been stated repeatedly, your personal information was never at risk on the forums.
Well, the real personal information wasnt on risk, thats true. The real danger was that you could log in with a different char by changing your Char ID in the Cookies (afaik) and that you inject code to modify the page (creating a log in page to gain account data).
If nothing ever was on risk, why was it removed that fast?
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:08:00 -
[158]
Originally by: ysomad2
iĘm guessing that it wonĘt be released this year, given how you just announced it and how massive a project it will be. is it looking like it will be ready sometime next year for release?
CCP Shadow:
Summer 2012.
Zymurgist Community Representative CCP NA, EVE Online Contact Us |
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Salpun
Gallente Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:09:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Oberine Noriepa Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 07/06/2011 05:06:33
Originally by: Salpun Quiting eve then did not think so then your point while relavent leaves everyone with the same amount of risk.
Question for the devs. Are the markets for Dust and EVE split. From what I have read this is the case but needs to be confirmed. We need a graphic Is it same station two markets dealing in diffent items accessable only by one type of player or is it two markets one ISK/One vanity money?
Check out this link, it explains a lot. PlayStation Blog: Introducing Dust 514, a Persistent Shooter from CCP
not clear enough Until the Economy dev blog promised comes out on Dust the fear mongering will continue
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:09:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Adrance
I like the look of the game but the EVE Online interaction just brings up a lot of questions.
The main one being, what incentives to players have if they donĘt play EVE? I see a lot of benefits to Dust 514 if you operate in the EVE universe but why will players pick up this FPS over others that are out or coming out (especially with all the new announcements from E3)?
CCP Shadow:
Adrance, the people that DUST 514 will most appeal to are those who want something different from the latest FPS title that they play for a few months, perhaps through a DLC map pack, and move on. DUST 514 is a persistent setting that your actions influence and shape. ThatĘs really what DUST offers that differs from whatĘs currently out there.
Zymurgist Community Representative CCP NA, EVE Online Contact Us |
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Spricer WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:14:00 -
[161]
Quote: DUST 514 is a persistent setting that your actions influence and shape.
How much of that "Influence" will the DUST player notice? Since they are just ground units they shouldnt care much and only the EVE player can feel/see the influence.
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CCP Sreegs
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:16:00 -
[162]
Edited by: CCP Sreegs on 07/06/2011 05:16:26
Originally by: Naomi Wildfire Edited by: Naomi Wildfire on 07/06/2011 05:10:47
Quote: Is it same station two markets dealing in diffent items accessable only by one type of player or is it two markets one ISK/One vanity money?
As you can currently see on Sisi they already have a very basic looking kind of Vanity item shop.
Quote:
Originally by: CCP Sreegs To clarify, as has been stated repeatedly, your personal information was never at risk on the forums.
Well, the real personal information wasnt on risk, thats true. The real danger was that you could log in with a different char by changing your Char ID in the Cookies (afaik) and that you inject code to modify the page (creating a log in page to gain account data).
If nothing ever was on risk, why was it removed that fast?
Because it was broken? The code injection only allowed for a limited HTML subset. The login page information people were provided was erroneous as it was not possible. I'll see if I can dig up my dev blog on the subject that explains exactly this. |
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Salpun
Gallente Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:16:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Naomi Wildfire
Quote: Is it same station two markets dealing in diffent items accessable only by one type of player or is it two markets one ISK/One vanity money?
As you can currently see on Sisi they already have a very basic looking kind of Vanity item shop.
True but will there be two vanity shops or one. Thats the question. Will both types of items be seeable but becouse of the built in locks the EVE player cannot buy a plasma rocket.
The whole issue is combat power bought by $$ and how that $$ ripples in the current EVE economy.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:22:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Nergil
Really? No monthly fee? That just sold me and I almost looked right past this game. The ripple effect between the two games sounds very very cool.
CCP Shadow:
Really.
And yes, the ability to influence the setting is what makes this game unique.
Zymurgist Community Representative CCP NA, EVE Online Contact Us |
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Harune Sasen
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:22:00 -
[165]
Brilliant idea to choose Sony as a partner, excuse my sarcasm. How many people have dropeed sony products due of the continuous hacks ? Personally i would not touch such company at all, so bye bye dust514, you were a great idea but unfortunatley it is doomed to be a stillborn.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:22:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Da_xavier
This game looks amazing and i love the idea of the game effecting EVE online and vice versa. It gives the game dynamic and depth. Please say there is gonna be a clan option and i dont mean option and i dont mean were you just put tags on i mean actual Clan management were we can invite members and have wars. That would bring alot of interest and players to your game. I cant wait to play when it releases.
CCP Shadow:
Corporations are an important aspect of DUST 514, and there is far more depth to the system than simply ęinvite to ClanĘ tools. Corps are a core aspect of the social gameplay that DUST 514 and EVE Online both offer.
Zymurgist Community Representative CCP NA, EVE Online Contact Us |
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:24:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Adrance
I like the look of the game but the EVE Online interaction just brings up a lot of questions.
The main one being, what incentives to players have if they donĘt play EVE? I see a lot of benefits to Dust 514 if you operate in the EVE universe but why will players pick up this FPS over others that are out or coming out (especially with all the new announcements from E3)?
CCP Shadow:
Adrance, the people that DUST 514 will most appeal to are those who want something different from the latest FPS title that they play for a few months, perhaps through a DLC map pack, and move on. DUST 514 is a persistent setting that your actions influence and shape. ThatĘs really what DUST offers that differs from whatĘs currently out there.
Zymurgist Community Representative CCP NA, EVE Online Contact Us |
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Mercy Crow
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:28:00 -
[168]
I know its been said before but i just gotta say it again...
As an PC player and Eve online paying customer im more then slightly disappointed at the decision to make Dust an PS3 exclusive and i dont care about your joint venture marketing deals its PLAIN STUPID as it prevents alot of people the thrill of an EVE based FPS game with EVE universe impact. Another reason its stupid is because any and all consoles are simply inferior to a gaming PC (which can be upgraded even rebuilt indefinite) the only thing a console delivers is a steady enviroment for developers for a one time sale deal with a never updating game. |
Callic Veratar
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:28:00 -
[169]
The presentation I've heard so far describes what I'd imagine as nullsec Dust 514. Will there be an equivalent and equally engaging highsec equivalent? I'd like my Dust characters to be active in my current corp.
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LordElfa
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:35:00 -
[170]
The fact that CCP has made an FPS of all things to interact with a PC only MMO and did not bring it to the PC as well as consoles is so dumb it borders on ******ation.
Unless this comes to PC, I won't play it. I'm a PC gamer, that's why I play games like EVE and to ignore and cut out a large percentage of your player base is ignorant and cruel.
ņņņņņņņ CSM6-Hated by fools for who they are; Loved by the knowledgeable for what they will do. |
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Bala Dara
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:40:00 -
[171]
I just can't see why CCP would do this. I feel that Dust 514 shouldn't be on a single console. I was looking forward to Dust being open. But it's insane to buy a ps3 or for that matter any other console just to be able to play Dust. I mean the only thing that Sony has on it's ps3 is a blu-ray player. But that aside the big thing is there network isn't secure. And they have proven time and again that it isn't. I don't feel that I would be safe using there network. I'm not even if someone was to give me a ps3 going to use it. It's not worth the risk.
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LordElfa
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:42:00 -
[172]
Edited by: LordElfa on 07/06/2011 05:42:23 Hell, even if I owned a PS3 I wouldn't play this for the sheer fact that this game being done for a console when it interacts with a PC MMO is just stupid.
CCP AND Sony can shove this game where the sun don't shine.
Yes, I mean Iceland of course.
ņņņņņņņ CSM6-Hated by fools for who they are; Loved by the knowledgeable for what they will do. |
Namielus
Caldari Namielus Holdings
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:42:00 -
[173]
Hi,
CCP I have been an eve subscriber for the past 6 years and this announcement end the term of my account with you. I work in the development world so I understand all the factors that simply cannot be know and just how difficult it is to bring vision to reality. My intention isn't not to threaten you into 'changing your ways' because I know you've been painstakingly looking at.
It has been lots of fun over the years but on the eve of incarna and dust I'm done waiting and I need to choose a different way to spend my time.
Namielus -Namielus |
Jim Luc
Caldari Rule of Five Split Infinity.
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:43:00 -
[174]
Originally by: LordElfa The fact that CCP has made an FPS of all things to interact with a PC only MMO and did not bring it to the PC as well as consoles is so dumb it borders on ******ation.
Unless this comes to PC, I won't play it. I'm a PC gamer, that's why I play games like EVE and to ignore and cut out a large percentage of your player base is ignorant and cruel.
So don't play it. I can see the reasons for keeping it strictly console though as it's a closed system and the PS3 does have some interesting cell architecture. It's just more difficult to program for, and most of the ****ty games on the PS3 result from being developed for Xbox & ported over to the PS3.
I am an Xbox fanboy at heart though so it's a little disappointing. I can see the reasons, but nonetheless I'm disappointed.
I think having Sony as a partner will help the Eve universe quite a bit, and Sony really needs something exclusive like this. I'm sure CCP will get a very helpful boost regarding knowledge of advertising, infrastructure, etc.
Chances are I'm betting most of us will go out & buy a PS3 just to have our leg in Dust. You already have 4 alts and a $6000 gaming rig, what's a $300 blu-ray player?
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Levaria
Gallente Incertae Sedis Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:46:00 -
[175]
I'm a PS3 owner and to say the least I am surprised, I was expecting it to be for at least the 360 as well. Granted perhaps another reason they went with the PS3 is that one can hook up a bluetooth keyboard and mouse to the console if I am not mistaken (either via USB and or bluetooth).
Was really hoping it was also for PC but at least I have my Playstation 3. ~Pirates May Cry but Care Bears will die!~
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:46:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Salpun
Question for the devs. Are the markets for Dust and EVE split. From what I have read this is the case but needs to be confirmed. We need a graphic Is it same station two markets dealing in diffent items accessable only by one type of player or is it two markets one ISK/One vanity money?
Yes, the markets are split. Some additional information on the EVE/DUST economy can be found in this dev blog.
Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online |
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LordElfa
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:52:00 -
[177]
Edited by: LordElfa on 07/06/2011 05:55:04
Originally by: Jim Luc
Originally by: LordElfa The fact that CCP has made an FPS of all things to interact with a PC only MMO and did not bring it to the PC as well as consoles is so dumb it borders on ******ation.
Unless this comes to PC, I won't play it. I'm a PC gamer, that's why I play games like EVE and to ignore and cut out a large percentage of your player base is ignorant and cruel.
So don't play it.
I can't play it troll, I don't have a PS3, weren't you paying attention?
Oh and CCP spitfire, why not explain why you chose to ignore your PC user base? Try and fit it in between your posted responses to the groupies.
ņņņņņņņ CSM6-Hated by fools for who they are; Loved by the knowledgeable for what they will do. |
darmwand
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:55:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Callic Veratar The presentation I've heard so far describes what I'd imagine as nullsec Dust 514. Will there be an equivalent and equally engaging highsec equivalent? I'd like my Dust characters to be active in my current corp.
Yes, but if you attack someone you will get concorded. You *can* however walk around, look at things and gather various kinds of flowers.
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Damian Voidwalker
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:58:00 -
[179]
I think the PS3 was a good choice and probably the only one available to CCP Microsoft has been a pain when it comes to allowing games played on the Xbox 360 access to servers not owned and operated by them. how many games can you get on a Xbox and play with a PS3 owner? the ONLY game to my knowledge that is cross platform between a PlayStation and an Xbox is Final Fantasy XI and it is PS2 and Xbox 360.... in short Microsoft wont let them link their EVE Online server with the Xbox 360.. Sony said yes so it goes to the PS3. i own a PS3 and at one time owned a Xbox 360 and personally i would choose a PlayStation over a Xbox any day. yes Sony just got hacked... IT COULD HAPPEN TO MICROSOFT TOO! as a matter of fact it happens all the time just in more localized ways i myself have had my Xbox Live acct hacked into and had $149.99 charged to my bank acct and do you know what Microsoft said? well we will give you $60 back no prob but the rest you have to jump through hoops to get.. i still have not heard the end of that and it happened in March! and yet Sony gets hacked and they say "sorry let us fix it here is free identity theft protection here is some free games here is a bunch of stuff were so sorry" at least they did something
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Sister Megarea
Sisters of Agony
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:59:00 -
[180]
PS3 exclusive - You can count me as another long term Eve player who was going to support CCP by buying the game and at least trying it - But putting it on consoles only ? Like they said on ARSTechnica: go change your diapers.
You can also count me in the players who will wholeheartedly focus on griefing the console babies to make their lives absolutely miserable.
PS3 "FPS" players: (There's no such thing as a real First Person Shooter on a console - Only push button mazes) PRAY - Really, really hard, that CCP takes pity on you and doesn't allow orbital bombardment.
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.07 05:59:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Naomi Wildfire
Quote: DUST 514 is a persistent setting that your actions influence and shape.
How much of that "Influence" will the DUST player notice? Since they are just ground units they shouldnt care much and only the EVE player can feel/see the influence.
CCP Shadow:
The most compelling aspect of DUST 514 is that your battles are meaningful. You conquer territory working with EVE players, or you can do the same with your fellow DUST 514 mercs.
Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online |
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Johnny Bravuro
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Posted - 2011.06.07 06:05:00 -
[182]
Oh my people people... PS3 exclusive ? want to know why ?
CCP doesn't want US to play the game, we're the PC users already paying for our subscriptions, WE will NOT be able (or willing) to play (and spend money) on 2 games SIMULTANEOUSLY.
CCP wants PS3 players, NEW PLAYERS, WE will support DUST from the outside doing pew-pew here in EVE Online, while PS3 community will get all the pew-pew fun on the planet surface.
The true reason Dust will never show on PC.
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Sister Megarea
Sisters of Agony
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Posted - 2011.06.07 06:05:00 -
[183]
Originally by: LordElfa
Oh and CCP spitfire, why not explain why you chose to ignore your PC user base? Try and fit it in between your posted responses to the groupies.
Hell, why should they support the players that pay them hundreds of dollars per year ? After all, we only helped build CCP, continue funding them and keep adding to their coffers, year after year.
Aiming to please one-off purchase only players makes all the sense in the world, because... because... wait a minute...
Yeah CCP Spitfire ? Why did you decide to spit, vomit and kick your customer base in the face ?
I could understand a period of exclusivity - that makes all the business sense in the world. Making it PS3 exclusive ?
You must really, really hate your shareholders (Not to mention your customers)
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Neo160
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Posted - 2011.06.07 06:11:00 -
[184]
WHAT!?!
a PS3 exclusive??? what about XBOX 360 PLAYERS!?! what about the fact you had previously stated this would be multi-console?
you just alienated the majority of fps players interested in playing this game, as the 360 houses the vast overiding majority of trigger happy gamers, not the ps3.
Thanks alot CCP, Dust is now DEAD to me, i'm not wasting several hundred dollars to play a pay to win game.
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darmwand
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Posted - 2011.06.07 06:14:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Neo160 a PS3 exclusive??? what about XBOX 360 PLAYERS!?! what about the fact you had previously stated this would be multi-console?
Guess that's what you get for buying a console that's locked into its private little interpretation of the Internet...
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Max Gades
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Posted - 2011.06.07 06:14:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Neo160 WHAT!?!
a PS3 exclusive??? what about XBOX 360 PLAYERS!?! what about the fact you had previously stated this would be multi-console?
you just alienated the majority of fps players interested in playing this game, as the 360 houses the vast overiding majority of trigger happy gamers, not the ps3.
Thanks alot CCP, Dust is now DEAD to me, i'm not wasting several hundred dollars to play a pay to win game.
funny how it was going to be multi-consule huh?
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Internet Knight
The Kobayashi Maru
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Posted - 2011.06.07 06:15:00 -
[187]
I would never buy a PS3. Likewise, I would never buy any game for the PS3.
Lucky for CCP, my sister owns a PS3. Lucky for CCP, I might be able to wring her wrist into buying DUST 514 so I can play it. *giggles*
Players in EVE pay the mercs in DUST 514, right? Is the payment a straight one-to-one payment? I can pay a merc fifty trillions of ISK and they'll be set with the best gear evar for their whole life? Is that how that works? What about sending ISK the other way around... mercs do poorly or fail their contractual obligations or, hey, they even love their EVE master overlords and want to send a magical donation in the count of fifty trillions of ISKs... can that be done too? ---
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Tyme Xandr
Gallente Stones Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.07 06:16:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Jim Luc
Originally by: LordElfa So don't play it. I can see the reasons for keeping it strictly console though as it's a closed system and the PS3 does have some interesting cell architecture. It's just more difficult to program for, and most of the ****ty games on the PS3 result from being developed for Xbox & ported over to the PS3.
Yeah, because Killzone 3s 2d texture mats for smoke really showed the prowess of that system. Everyone keeps saying PS3 has much higher abilities in graphical processing, but they havent shown that yet.
I think its due to the difficulty in programming for its architecture (especially its severely piped 'cell' (which isnt true cell tech as it is) and the rising cost of video game production. Companies just dont spend enough time with games and it costs them too much.
Im not a PS3 or XBOX or PC fanboy. I love technology and I am just calling it as it is.
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Max Gades
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Posted - 2011.06.07 06:16:00 -
[189]
Originally by: darmwand
Originally by: Neo160 a PS3 exclusive??? what about XBOX 360 PLAYERS!?! what about the fact you had previously stated this would be multi-console?
Guess that's what you get for buying a console that's locked into its private little interpretation of the Internet...
so you think that playing on a free server means your safe we already seen what happens on sony.... havent they been hacked a few more times since they been on the news???
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BlueOrca
Gallente FinFleet Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.07 06:23:00 -
[190]
So only the Green Goblin's hardware is safe for Dust? How much do nVidia pay you?
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darmwand
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Posted - 2011.06.07 06:24:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Max Gades havent they been hacked a few more times since they been on the news???
Almost daily, I think - Karma can be a *****.
Don't get me wrong, it's going to be hard to find someone who dislikes Sony more than I do. I just think that, from a technical point of view, a game like Dust is easier to implement on the PS3, where you have a somewhat open network than on the Xbox' closed little ecosystem. Of course I could be wrong, seeing that I'm a PC kind of person and don't know those networks. I'm just saying that *maybe* there are technical reasons for this choice.
Then again, maybe CCP just likes Sony. Who knows.
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Habaticus
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.07 06:29:00 -
[192]
Well easy for me - No PC - no play.
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Jehanne D'ark
Minmatar Ghost Tribal Credit Union Sspectre
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Posted - 2011.06.07 06:32:00 -
[193]
Originally by: darmwand
Originally by: Max Gades havent they been hacked a few more times since they been on the news???
Almost daily, I think - Karma can be a *****.
Don't get me wrong, it's going to be hard to find someone who dislikes Sony more than I do. I just think that, from a technical point of view, a game like Dust is easier to implement on the PS3, where you have a somewhat open network than on the Xbox' closed little ecosystem. Of course I could be wrong, seeing that I'm a PC kind of person and don't know those networks. I'm just saying that *maybe* there are technical reasons for this choice.
Then again, maybe CCP just likes Sony. Who knows.
CCP and Sony are BFF. They have gatecamps set up around XBox's territory, but gaining sov there is a *****. They announced Dust to recruit new pilots in an attempt to destroy the titan construction facilities before Xbox's Halo-class Titans are launched.
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Tolaskar Hardrada
Men of Providence
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Edited by: Tolaskar Hardrada on 07/06/2011 06:39:25 *bangs heads against keyboard repeatedly until his forehead begins to bleed*
If I get banned on my first post here so be it; but are all of you *****ing about how terribad CCP is REALLY THAT ****ING STUPID?
Microsoft said no to Dust 514, they don't want it on their console as they don't want the game to be able to connect the way it is designed too to EVE Online.
I'm like the third person in this topic to have pointed this out but you nimrods apparently are literate enough to ramble on incoherently but illiterate enough to ignore the blatantly obvious answers to your questions.
For any further questions of your idiocy, CCP has made this lovely music video for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q
Note; I am likewise disappointed that Dust 514 is not coming out on the Xbox 360, but Micro**** is on the edge of not getting anymore of my own money as is due to their ****ty service. And the issues they cause for MMO developers and publishers isn't anything new. I will gladly save up the money to purchase a PS3 so that I can participate in the Beta release of Dust 514 at the end of the year.
But Unreal Engine 3? Really? Frostbite 2 would have been an astronomical improvement for you to use on so many levels...I can only dream...
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Darth Polios
Amarr Wreakage R Us
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Posted - 2011.06.07 06:40:00 -
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Wow...... PS3 exclusive that that's really a kick in the face, seems no Dust 514 for me :(
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Max Gades
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Posted - 2011.06.07 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jehanne D'ark
Originally by: darmwand
Originally by: Max Gades havent they been hacked a few more times since they been on the news???
Almost daily, I think - Karma can be a *****.
Don't get me wrong, it's going to be hard to find someone who dislikes Sony more than I do. I just think that, from a technical point of view, a game like Dust is easier to implement on the PS3, where you have a somewhat open network than on the Xbox' closed little ecosystem. Of course I could be wrong, seeing that I'm a PC kind of person and don't know those networks. I'm just saying that *maybe* there are technical reasons for this choice.
Then again, maybe CCP just likes Sony. Who knows.
CCP and Sony are BFF. They have gatecamps set up around XBox's territory, but gaining sov there is a *****. They announced Dust to recruit new pilots in an attempt to destroy the titan construction facilities before Xbox's Halo-class Titans are launched.
dont get me wrong but i have to look furter down the road than what a lot of other people are. im not going anywhere near sony untill they stop getting hacked on a regular bases. if it wasnt all over the news do you thing 99% of the questions about peoples info being secure would be what the devs are dealing with for the most part?
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.06.07 06:42:00 -
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Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 07/06/2011 06:44:52 Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 07/06/2011 06:43:09
Originally by: Tolaskar Hardrada Edited by: Tolaskar Hardrada on 07/06/2011 06:39:25 *bangs heads against keyboard repeatedly until his forehead begins to bleed*
If I get banned on my first post here so be it; but are all of you *****ing about how terribad CCP is REALLY THAT ****ING STUPID?
Microsoft said no to Dust 514, they don't want it on their console as they don't want the game to be able to connect the way it is designed too to EVE Online.
I'm like the third person in this topic to have pointed this out but you nimrods apparently are literate enough to ramble on incoherently but illiterate enough to ignore the blatantly obvious answers to your questions.
For any further questions of your idiocy, CCP has made this lovely music video for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q
Note; I am likewise disappointed that Dust 514 is not coming out on the Xbox 360, but Micro**** is on the edge of not getting anymore of my own money as is due to their ****ty service. And the issues they cause for MMO developers and publishers isn't anything new. I will gladly save up the money to purchase a PS3 so that I can participate in the Beta release of Dust 514 at the end of the year.
But Unreal Engine 3? Really? Frostbite 2 would have been an astronomical improvement for you to use on so many levels...I can only dream...
Frostbite 2.0 certainly is a great engine, but Unreal Engine 3 is no slouch either. The engine's effectiveness relies on how much effort the developer puts forth. I have confidence that CCP will deliver on that front.
And yeah, no Dust on the Xbox 360 is very much tied to how closed Xbox Live is when it comes to this sort of thing. There's a reason why you don't see (m)any MMOs on that system.
(PC version. Make one. )
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Max Gades
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Posted - 2011.06.07 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tolaskar Hardrada Edited by: Tolaskar Hardrada on 07/06/2011 06:39:25 *bangs heads against keyboard repeatedly until his forehead begins to bleed*
If I get banned on my first post here so be it; but are all of you *****ing about how terribad CCP is REALLY THAT ****ING STUPID?
Microsoft said no to Dust 514, they don't want it on their console as they don't want the game to be able to connect the way it is designed too to EVE Online.
I'm like the third person in this topic to have pointed this out but you nimrods apparently are literate enough to ramble on incoherently but illiterate enough to ignore the blatantly obvious answers to your questions.
For any further questions of your idiocy, CCP has made this lovely music video for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q
Note; I am likewise disappointed that Dust 514 is not coming out on the Xbox 360, but Micro**** is on the edge of not getting anymore of my own money as is due to their ****ty service. And the issues they cause for MMO developers and publishers isn't anything new. I will gladly save up the money to purchase a PS3 so that I can participate in the Beta release of Dust 514 at the end of the year.
But Unreal Engine 3? Really? Frostbite 2 would have been an astronomical improvement for you to use on so many levels...I can only dream...
its not the fact that its not on xbox as much as sony's recent breach of secruity and people personal info being taken... thats really what im seeing, yeah im not interest sololy because of sonys lack of secruity plus having to spend more money on a new game system all together...
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darmwand
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Posted - 2011.06.07 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Max Gades dont get me wrong but i have to look furter down the road than what a lot of other people are. im not going anywhere near sony untill they stop getting hacked on a regular bases. if it wasnt all over the news do you thing 99% of the questions about peoples info being secure would be what the devs are dealing with for the most part?
Who would have anticipated that aggroing pretty much the entire hacker community could have negative side effects?
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Tolaskar Hardrada
Men of Providence
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Posted - 2011.06.07 06:47:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Oberine Noriepa
Frostbite 2.0 certainly is a great engine, but Unreal Engine 3 is no slouch either. The engine's effectiveness relies on how much the effort the developer puts forth. I have confidence that CCP will deliver on that front.
And yeah, no Dust on the Xbox 360 is very much tied to how closed Xbox Live is when it comes to this sort of thing. There's a reason why you don't see (m)any MMOs on that system.
(PC version. Make one. )
Indeed UE3 is a good engine. It's just that 99% of the games that use it look exactly the same and the first footage we were given of Dust 514 wasn't much better. Not that Dust looking like a BF3 carbon copy is any better.
The new alpha footage is very much a step up from the pre-alpha footage released back in the day. I have high hopes for Dust, though I would hope we'll be getting a lot of personal customization with the AEGIS or have options for far more and a greater diversity of armor styles.
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el caido
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2011.06.07 06:52:00 -
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I own no consoles and hence never had any interest in Dust when it was announced two-ish years ago that it would be console only. That said, I still shake my head in disappointment at the exclusivity announcement. Development planning, decisions, and quality - both inside and outside of EVE - continue on a downslope it seems.
I just wasted a solid two minutes typing this. I'm an idiot.
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Tolaskar Hardrada
Men of Providence
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Posted - 2011.06.07 06:53:00 -
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Edited by: Tolaskar Hardrada on 07/06/2011 06:53:59
Originally by: Max Gades
its not the fact that its not on xbox as much as sony's recent breach of secruity and people personal info being taken... thats really what im seeing, yeah im not interest sololy because of sonys lack of secruity plus having to spend more money on a new game system all together...
Very, very bad week RL + Sister Megarea's last post (showing a complete and utter lack of basic knowledge regarding the topic) with the comments from others set me off. I can only handle so much whining from perceived adults.
That being said I didn't actually know about the PSN hack until more than a few days ago, only having a Xbox 360 sorta creates a bubble around me. But the posting regarding the issue seems to be coming from Xbox 360 or PC-exclusive gamers. Plus anyone with even a tidbit of technical knowledge shouldn't be too surprised that someone cracked the PSN. If the same can be done to the Pentagon or Government (U.S.A), what do you expect a simple corporation to do?
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.06.07 06:56:00 -
[203]
I still can't really understand why MicroSoft didn't want DUST on their platform...
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Max Gades
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Posted - 2011.06.07 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tolaskar Hardrada Edited by: Tolaskar Hardrada on 07/06/2011 06:53:59
Originally by: Max Gades
its not the fact that its not on xbox as much as sony's recent breach of secruity and people personal info being taken... thats really what im seeing, yeah im not interest sololy because of sonys lack of secruity plus having to spend more money on a new game system all together...
Very, very bad week RL + Sister Megarea's last post (showing a complete and utter lack of basic knowledge regarding the topic) with the comments from others set me off. I can only handle so much whining from perceived adults.
That being said I didn't actually know about the PSN hack until more than a few days ago, only having a Xbox 360 sorta creates a bubble around me. But the posting regarding the issue seems to be coming from Xbox 360 or PC-exclusive gamers. Plus anyone with even a tidbit of technical knowledge shouldn't be too surprised that someone cracked the PSN. If the same can be done to the Pentagon or Government (U.S.A), what do you expect a simple corporation to do?
yeah i know but im more aware because i've already seen first hand what someones personal info in someone else hand can do. i get it every other day when i talk to my parents because hey someone got their personal info... I'm not fully against it but im sure as hell not fully with it as far as going PS3 only...
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.06.07 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab I still can't really understand why MicroSoft didn't want DUST on their platform...
I don't think it's necessarily that Microsoft simply didn't want it on the Xbox 360, but rather the fact that Xbox Live offers no flexibility when it comes to the interactivity between Dust 514 and EVE Online. In order for CCP to be able to match the vision they've set for New Eden, they require the freedom to do it.
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Mallikanth
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Posted - 2011.06.07 07:06:00 -
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Edited by: Mallikanth on 07/06/2011 07:06:38 Sounds like it could be fun for PS3 owners. A few q's if I may...
How about different planetary environments - lava, water planets etc? Different gravity? How will the Mercs get their jobs? Will they always work for Capsuleers? Own any assets of their own? How will eve players be able to interact with the ground forces, other than just hiring them in the first place(Planetary strikes etc)?
Shame I just bought an Xbox.
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Kasidis
Gallente Nexus.6
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Posted - 2011.06.07 07:09:00 -
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So much emo rage. I don't know why people are so butthurt over the fact that it is a PS3 exclusive. I am a PS3 owner and there are plenty of xbox and pc games I wish were on PS3. Xbox doesn't have the capability to do this sort of thing and it is a very dated console. Microsoft doesn't do this kind of stuff anyway. As for the people wanting it on pc, they said 2 years ago that it wouldn't so go away. If you are quitting eve because of this, well nobody cares tbh. CCP is gaining more subs than loosing so go right ahead. CCP specifically said they wanted to gain new console player not existing eve players. Go ahead and complain all you want, it's going to happen anyway. You don't HAVE to play it anyway.
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Dark Waltzer
APEX ARDENT COALITION
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Posted - 2011.06.07 07:12:00 -
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Also another point 360 doesn't do free updates or free anything you have to pay
ccp is all about free updates
I'm pretty sure I get free updates for my Xbox games whenever I turn it on and load it up...... Not really sure what you're on about. Also this is a major upset with it only being on the PS3. CCP is losing out on a huge market. What a shame.
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.07 07:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mallikanth Edited by: Mallikanth on 07/06/2011 07:06:38 Sounds like it could be fun for PS3 owners. A few q's if I may...
How about different planetary environments - lava, water planets etc? Different gravity? How will the Mercs get their jobs? Will they always work for Capsuleers? Own any assets of their own? How will eve players be able to interact with the ground forces, other than just hiring them in the first place(Planetary strikes etc)?
Shame I just bought an Xbox.
These questions are going to be covered in the future dev blogs leading up to the beta and launch, so stay tuned and make sure to check the DUST website for updates.
Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.06.07 07:16:00 -
[210]
Wanted to see the DUST video, then noticed it's hosted on a overclocked Commodore Vic 20.
Auditing | Research | 3rd Party | Collateral Holding | EvE RL Charity |
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Tolaskar Hardrada
Men of Providence
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Posted - 2011.06.07 07:21:00 -
[211]
Originally by: Dark Waltzer
Also another point 360 doesn't do free updates or free anything you have to pay
ccp is all about free updates
I'm pretty sure I get free updates for my Xbox games whenever I turn it on and load it up...... Not really sure what you're on about. Also this is a major upset with it only being on the PS3. CCP is losing out on a huge market. What a shame.
Microsoft charges publishers to allow updates to go through. And expansion packs aren't free on Live.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.06.07 07:22:00 -
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Laughs on you, CCP.
Deciding to cooperate with Sony, after their multiple recent problems with security, while locking out the PC and Xbox communities..
I'll admit that I was gonna buy Dust, because of its EVE connections. But there's no chance in hell I'm getting a new (PS4) console, using it with a company that don't even know how to set up safe networks, and then attaching that to EVE.
But hey, I'm just bitter becuase I think PC > console for shooters, and I happen to prefer the Xbox controls in front of the lady-sized edgy non-comfortable Playstation ones. Or am I? -
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Tolaskar Hardrada
Men of Providence
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Posted - 2011.06.07 07:24:00 -
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Edited by: Tolaskar Hardrada on 07/06/2011 07:26:20 Edited by: Tolaskar Hardrada on 07/06/2011 07:25:44
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Originally by: Mallikanth Edited by: Mallikanth on 07/06/2011 07:06:38 Sounds like it could be fun for PS3 owners. A few q's if I may...
How about different planetary environments - lava, water planets etc? Different gravity? How will the Mercs get their jobs? Will they always work for Capsuleers? Own any assets of their own? How will eve players be able to interact with the ground forces, other than just hiring them in the first place(Planetary strikes etc)?
Shame I just bought an Xbox.
These questions are going to be covered in the future dev blogs leading up to the beta and launch, so stay tuned and make sure to check the DUST website for updates.
Wait....
In either one of the newest dev blogs or in the release statement it was said that Dust 514 players are able to actually join EVE Online corporations and vice versa.
So does that mean a Dust 514 player can create the structures on the planets, and build an empire starting from Dust 514's side of things alongside the mainstream line of thinking of EVE Online player's starting the shindig?
Edit: And instead of double posting I'll just edit and say the person who posted above me is just another "totally not informed on the actual subject matter" nimrod.
Also, PS4 is even slated to be announced until 2014 at the latest, people, seriously stfu about it...
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GiveYourStuff
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Posted - 2011.06.07 07:26:00 -
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Whether on PS3 or XBOX, not interested. PC instead...
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2011.06.07 07:27:00 -
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Im Crying inside for lack of xbox may make a habit of just bombing random planets now just to **** off playstation plays - Nulla Curas |
mkint
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Posted - 2011.06.07 07:34:00 -
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Blog formula:
1) New product will be sold to the idiots who've already sold their souls to an irrelevant corporate monster, and said product will thus be irrelevant 2) blame it on the players 3) subtly suggest that the promises of "this can safely be ignored" was a flat out lie, and the new promise is "you will be royally screwed by this" 4) leave breadcrumbs so players who don't abandon the entire CCP franchise altogether can slowly piece together how royally screwed they really are.
While reading this blog I felt no emotion whatsoever. I felt absolutely zero excitement. I didn't really feel any dread either. I just felt that EVE now has an expiration date, and that it's a good thing.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.06.07 07:40:00 -
[217]
****ING AWESOME |
Tolaskar Hardrada
Men of Providence
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Posted - 2011.06.07 07:42:00 -
[218]
Originally by: Gnulpie ****ING AWESOME
THAT'S THE KIND OF ENTHUSIASM CCP WANTS TO SEE OUT OF ALL OF THEIR RECRUITS!!!
Did I say recruits...I meant customers >_>
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D13Death
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Posted - 2011.06.07 07:44:00 -
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WOW! this suxx exclusive? r u people dumb? i was excited about the project. the thing u guyz said.: it will be multi-platform! how do u wish to connect players if u r not bringing it out on all consoles. wow! i had trust in ccp, but now they just wanted the extra pile of cash from sony. the thing u do now, is force players from eve to buy a ps3 to secure their money and domains in eve itself. its stupid dumb, and this will cost u all players who own an xbox & ps3 wow that is such a dumb move, how many players u know who own a ps3 who play an mmo?? about 0.0001% ? u told us this would be no competition, u told us that if u already had a console u woudnt have to buy a new one, orbital cannon ?? wth, u realise this entire thing will blow up in ur face. still a great fan & player of eve, but wow ! this is the biggest disapointment from ccp ever! NEVER again,tell players that they can ALL, play it. 1 Universe? nope just exclusive and yes; i was madd :@ |
Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.07 07:50:00 -
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Edited by: Ciar Meara on 07/06/2011 07:53:19
I like it, been looking for a good reason to buy a playstation anyway. Apart from the gaming it is an nice media platform.
Although the security issues are worrying I'd guess that sony recently invested a huge amount of money to make sure this stuff won't happen again, otherwise they'd be finished.
Cross platform seemed to me to be a pipedream, as far as I know XBOX is very restrictive about this. All things considered PS3 is a logical choice.
I look foward to the interaction of rifles versus dreadnaughts.
QUESTION: Will there be an eve themed ps3 package for sale? ------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Tolaskar Hardrada
Men of Providence
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Posted - 2011.06.07 07:54:00 -
[221]
Originally by: D13Death Ima ******!
The 3rd grade would like their spelling and grammar back.
Microsoft turned CCP down, not the other way around. Seriously, you people are starting to make me sound like a CCP fanboy having to point out who is actually at fault.
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Daisy Blossom
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Posted - 2011.06.07 07:56:00 -
[222]
Aaaaand the failure to listen to the community grows deeper. I would have purchased, was excited to purchase, but now will not.
Seriously, do you even know your market, CCP? The Drake Project. |
Ron Bacardi
SniggWaffe FREE KARTTOON NOW
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Posted - 2011.06.07 07:58:00 -
[223]
Looking forward to it!
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.06.07 08:02:00 -
[224]
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Pharon Reichter So.... why did you do it ? why PS3 only ?
Two reasons: we found the PS3 to be MMO-friendly, but from a game design perspective there's a whole lot of very wonderful things the console brings to the table. While we can't entirely discuss this at this particular time, we'll be speaking more about it during the week during the myriad interviews we are conducting this week at E3.
That comment gives alot of answers, but there's one still out there.
* Dust is a separate release and the EVE-Online players are irrelevant in this case, the game is for new/other players. EVE players might be insulted but it's reasonable to expand like this for a gaming company, so far np.
* We won't answer any question on why PS3 only now, because we will give all answers in interviews instead. This is common practice for CCP, they have released new info to Tentonhammer and similar before they release it to the EVE players. Media > players, that too tho, is somewhat reasonable, albeit insulting again to the EVE playerbase.
* Collaboration with Sony. All the networking issues Sony had is fairly recent, I bet CCP is not very happy about the timing of releasing Dust is Playstation only, but the restriction to this one console must've been in the works for some time. But even tho I really dislike the PS3 (purely based on their ****ty handcontrols tbh), and I been an Xbox player since the release, me/others have to admit it makes sense for CCP to "lock in" on one console. Microsoft demands alot of unreasonable **** as well.
* Restricting to a single console, not even a PC version? This, is really what I can't understand. All of the above is annoying/sad/unfortunate. But this? Is completely unreasonable. Even when the game is restricted to a single console, it could still have a PC version (Halo anyone? Many other games like that). Not wanting PC players to dominate console players in the game? That'd be an issue, since this is all in one world. But on the other hand, PC FPS usually lives alot longer than console FPS.. especially with a RPG element thrown into it.
The first couple of points I can understand. Annoying maybe, perhaps insulting to us who play EVE, but there's some logic and reasoning behind it (that at least I can buy). However, the final point, I just can't, and I would really love to know why CCP decided against making a PC version of Dust. -
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Morpheus Mishima
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.07 08:04:00 -
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CCP: You say the battles will be meaningful because of the cooperation with EVE players. Yet you also state that the games will not be dependent of each other? What incentive do we have for buying and playing Dust when its not really necessary or relevant to the game-play of EVE?
Do you realize that at least 70% of the player-base for Dust will be EVE players? Do you also realize the average age of your customers? Do you understand when I say that they are either not familiar with FPS games at all or have been brought up with PC-gaming as their main experience? Will Dust be playable with a mouse/keyboard on the PS3?
Do you also understand that if this flops and doesn't bring in a lot of new customers for you, you have basically gone back on your old promise not to charge for expansions? Which is what you are doing with this, in all fairness.
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Connie Focal
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.07 08:09:00 -
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Edited by: Connie Focal on 07/06/2011 08:09:14 I think a lot of people may be missing a key word on the announcement.
Quote: launching exclusively on PlayStation 3
Unless they've then said elsewhere that it will forever be PS3 only, in which case ignore me.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.06.07 08:12:00 -
[227]
Edited by: Gnulpie on 07/06/2011 08:14:57 Some gameplay questions and how that EVE/DUST-Link will work.
- Is there a single market for both EVE and DUST players?
- Can EVE players sell items to DUST players? Can DUST players sell items to EVE players?
- I read that DUST players will be able to use AURUM for their microtransactions. Are these AUR in any way connected to the EVE-Incarna AUR (besides sharing the same name)? If so, are those AUR tradeable between EVE and DUST?
- Can we please have some more information on what DUST players can do with/to the EVE Universe? And vice versa?
Thank you!
This has the potential to be extremely awesome. And people screaming here, think. Via DUST our beloved EVE is promoted to quite some more folks, maybe some of them join EVE, so that is already a good side effect right now. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.07 08:20:00 -
[228]
Why are you guys ignoring the fact that we as eve players are going to get new gameplay out of this as well?
It's going to be a lot of fun being a weapons dealer and so on. I can't wait to see what kinda of crazy stuff we can from space to manipulate the Dust game to our benefit.
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Medidranda Livoga
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Posted - 2011.06.07 08:22:00 -
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Edited by: Medidranda Livoga on 07/06/2011 08:25:30 One thing is for sure: Many people will set up their PS3 with keyboard / mouse combos (hack) and kick the snot out of controller players...
But honestly, currently PS network is in such state that I would not touch it with a long stick. I wonder if Sony manages to finally secure themselves by 2012.
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Xylorn Hasher
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Posted - 2011.06.07 08:24:00 -
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Edited by: Xylorn Hasher on 07/06/2011 08:24:47 I don't understand why are you yapping so much about that Dust will be only for PS3 console. A brand new PS3 is only 400$ that's far less than my GF is spending for her perfumes (using my money of course ).
I'll buy PS3 if Dust will be worth it. Go to work guys/gals you will earn that 400 bucks easly and stop whinning.
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.07 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie Edited by: Gnulpie on 07/06/2011 08:14:57 Some gameplay questions and how that EVE/DUST-Link will work.
- Is there a single market for both EVE and DUST players?
- Can EVE players sell items to DUST players? Can DUST players sell items to EVE players?
- I read that DUST players will be able to use AURUM for their microtransactions. Are these AUR in any way connected to the EVE-Incarna AUR (besides sharing the same name)? If so, are those AUR tradeable between EVE and DUST?
- Can we please have some more information on what DUST players can do with/to the EVE Universe? And vice versa?
Thank you!
This has the potential to be extremely awesome. And people screaming here, think. Via DUST our beloved EVE is promoted to quite some more folks, maybe some of them join EVE, so that is already a good side effect right now.
There will be two separate markets; as for the rest of the questions, they will be answered in the future DUST 514 dev blogs on the official website.
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Xeldrak
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Posted - 2011.06.07 08:25:00 -
[232]
Quite a disappointment for me too.
I'm a big FPS-Fan, was really exited about Dust and want to play it. But a Shooter on a Console? No way...I want my mouse+Keyboard..
Sad day for me - but hey: MW3, BF3 - here I come...
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sg1jack
Caldari The Omega Particle
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Posted - 2011.06.07 08:26:00 -
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So Eve online is a pc game, your captive audience for Dust are pc gamers, yet you thought it would be a good idea to make it exclusive to PS3?
Jesus guys what you been smoking? is a badly trained chimp making decisions in CCP?
Poor show going exclusive as I would have bought it being an Eve player.
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Tolaskar Hardrada
Men of Providence
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Posted - 2011.06.07 08:28:00 -
[234]
Originally by: Medidranda Livoga Edited by: Medidranda Livoga on 07/06/2011 08:25:30 One thing is for sure: Many people will set up their PS3 with keyboard / mouse combos (hack) and kick the snot out of controller players...
But honestly, currently PS network is in such state that I would not touch it with a long stick. I wonder if Sony manages to finally secure themselves by 2012.
You can buy a keyboard/mouse to use on the PS3. We used to sell them all the time at GameCrazy and they worked perfectly fine.
Though I have yet to be beaten by a mouse/keyboard user versus my controller (long time ago when Shadowrun was all the rage). Guess we'll see :P
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fruitloaf
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Posted - 2011.06.07 08:37:00 -
[235]
id like to think that ccp will get dust on the xbox as i for one play the xbox when i take a break from eve i feel that sony do this alot with games making them exclusive so with that thought ccp will you answer the question as to why an exclusive with sony?
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Dennie Fleetfoot
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Posted - 2011.06.07 08:42:00 -
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After a decade of Xbox gaming, Xbox Live subscriptions and so on, it is just not even conceivable that I would leave that established ecosystem to play just one game. I don't care how good it might be or what benefits (if any at all) it might bring me as a capsuleer.
Also Sony have just proved themselves to the laughing stock of Internet security. Do you honestly think I'll trust them with so much as my email address, never mind my debit card details.
Dust has just gone from one of my most anticipated games of 2012 (after Mass Effect 3) to dead duck.
When you wake up after seeing the lacklustre sales on the console with the smallest userbase and decide to bring it to format I can play it on without buying new equipment (PC, I'm perfectly willing to concede that there may be technical reasons why it can't come to Xbox), then my interest will be re-kindled.
Till then, this game and all the great work that CCP have done on it is dead to me.
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2011.06.07 08:43:00 -
[237]
How are you dealing with around-the-world network latency? Or won't it matter because players are gonna play with blunt tools like joypads? ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation. |
Balthizarr
Minmatar Eve Engineering Logistics
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Posted - 2011.06.07 08:45:00 -
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So much for me playing dust then. I've owned both consoles and hated the PS3 so sold it. Won't be buying another not even to play dust (a game i've been really looking forwards to owning), especially after sony being hacked and giving away peoples bank and supposed secure details!!!!!
Clever move CCP Alienating us 360 owners!!!!
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.07 08:48:00 -
[239]
Originally by: fruitloaf id like to think that ccp will get dust on the xbox as i for one play the xbox when i take a break from eve i feel that sony do this alot with games making them exclusive so with that thought ccp will you answer the question as to why an exclusive with sony?
Please let me refer you to an earlier post by CCP Fallout.
Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online |
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.07 08:49:00 -
[240]
I don't think it is a wise decisision to ignore the core of your playerbase with a PS3 only version of your game.
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.07 08:54:00 -
[241]
Originally by: Aineko Macx How are you dealing with around-the-world network latency? Or won't it matter because players are gonna play with blunt tools like joypads?
There will be a network of battle servers hosted around the world. These servers will host individual DUST matches and feed the data into the main EVE Online cluster.
Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online |
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Alchemord Kosac
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Posted - 2011.06.07 09:07:00 -
[242]
2 mr. Hilmar Veigar PTtursson: You promised Dust for Xbox(i hawe buy Xbox for it) now is exlusive for another console! You added microtransactions (aura = vanity items). I hawe playing Eve for 5 years. Becose you give us funny game without microtransactions without boxed expansions. This was deal.. subscribtion for some quality service.. now everything changed.. i go cancel subsribtion. I hope in big fail with this. Bye
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SunTsu Rae
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Posted - 2011.06.07 09:09:00 -
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Although I have not gone through the many, many posts on here, I would assume there are a few here who may agree, that it is a bad idea to be an exclusive title.
Especially with the way the console world changes in a matter of 2-3 years, you are absolutely going to have to persue a PC/Mac platform version.
Not everyone, in the time-zones you currently have clients in, have access to a Playstation 3. Not only due to financial issues, but also due to manufacturing issues, Sony has not met demand, and on a side note, not fixed some quality issues. For example the lack of a secure gaming network.
The Dust514 franchise should be player driven, as it is in Eve: Online, not platform driven. Thank you.
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John Caldarius
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Posted - 2011.06.07 09:11:00 -
[244]
Dear CCP,
Some of the technical aspects of the Xbox 360 led me to buying it, and I have not been disappointed. I also bought and built my PC from the ground up, and I love it too. I play EVE for several hours at a time, and have some fun with the people I have met on there that I now call my friends.
I know how businesses can be run for the consumers, or for the company itself, and you've shown that Sony's will is stronger than your own. "Dare to be bold, Pilot," you always tell us, but you forge a path not to greatness, but to destruction. Exclusivity is always good the the company's bottom line, and in the end you can only hope it helps the players too. Playing it safe, are we? I'll be looking for the updated cideo in the Incarna release. "Dare to be timid, Pilot," and "Don't leave the station unless a fleet is outside with cap support to escort you on your mining run," because thats what exclusivity is, pushing more resources from players so you can use less yourself, and in turn jeopardize both platforms.
It is a beautiful sight when real life turns out like the movies. Good job OCP, I mean... CCP.
I will still play EVE Online, why give up on the company when it gives up on you, that would make me just like you, and we can't have that. I'm just disappointed because you could have included everyone in this new endeavor. Connecting the real-world adventures of space and planetary involvement in one universe with PC and console gamers is quite a feat, but you might as well only made the game run on Intel processors as you have only chosen to use the new features of DUST 514 for PS3.
Sony must have lept at the opportunity to publish something that already had a dedicated fan-base, too bad it wasn't a WOW game, something they could specialize in. You chose an MMO platform for a FPS. This is like a C&C game, and you went to PS3?
Money was never the root of all evil... Read, it was the LOVE of money, and for the love of money you have sold out a large portion of a dedicated market. I was really looking forward to this game and the integration therein, but it's -1 dust player here.
Please fix EVE Online first, then move for Dust 514. How about you pust it off for PS4 release, instead of a rushed PS3 and no fixes for EVE Online?
If I can't get in on the new game, I need to leverage as much as I can for the fixing of the current development. So, please?
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.07 09:13:00 -
[245]
Edited by: Blane Xero on 07/06/2011 09:15:15 Sorry CCP, but I pity you. You've just nailed DUST's coffin almost an entire year before it is even released, and you're still investing so many resources in it, it's borderline stupidity. You're putting so much effort into selling it like it's the best thing since sliced bread, and yet you are constantly reducing its chance of success while you seem to be under the guise that the choices you are making are good ideas.
- You're making it console exclusive, furthermore PS3 exclusive
- This means you're limiting your target audience - quite a bit. - It comes across terribly like you're trying to make it the PS3 equivalent of Halo.
- You seem to be under the impression that CUTTING OFF possible platforms (PC, 360) will INCREASE how many people you market the game to, while REDUCING the impact of Eve players leaving for DUST. I have a couple of points here...
- This is stupid. - If DUST is not sub based, you wouldn't LOSE eve player-subs with them converting to DUST. The majority of the human race, let alone eve players (With Eve being the MMO that is arguably the biggest offender for people having alternate accounts) work off "If I can have both, I will". A single purchase of ś20-30 / $40-50 isn't going to suddenly persuade people "Oh no, If I buy this, I can no longer maintain my eve Subscription!". And people aren't going to go "Well, DUST has replaced my need for internet SPACESHIPS with internet FPS". TL;DR? Not marketing to PC at the very least as-well-as PS3 was downright ******ed and fueled entirely by a misconception that you cannot market to PC's without hurting your existing income stream.
- You've just sold your soul to Sony. This should be self explanatory, but I'll point out a few things that have happened in their recent history as to why I would be wary of any deal with Sony.
- It was recently discovered that their network (Playstation Network) had security holes you could drive a titan through - with room to spare for a few more - and not get noticed until the damage was already done. This included their "internal" developer network. The hacking then spread to pretty much every network that Sony maintained, including their MMO's maintained by Sony Online Entertainment - The first cases of the PS3 being hacked for bootlegged games happened some few months ago, with Sony's reaction pretty much being "Get the details of everyone who so much as commented on a blog in which the hacked firmware is mentioned, sue them, profit".
I have no shame in saying I've hated the way CCP has decided to go about developing and implementing DUST since they revealed the first few details. I think it could have been done alot smarter, but CCP seems to have been blinded by short-term $$ over long-term product viability. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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Halycon Gamma
Caldari The Flying Tigers United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.07 09:19:00 -
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Edited by: Halycon Gamma on 07/06/2011 09:21:35 I have a question or two. And I honestly would like to hear your thought process on this.. because if I'm thinking this all the way through... Dust is the most ambitious game ever made. From a business standpoint its even more ambitious than EvE.
You got the whole interlink with EvE thing.. yada yada.. you're adding a lobby system and a market system.. okay. All this is standard fare compared to what I see as the most ambitious part of this whole venture. You want this to succeed for any amount of time on a console?
I can think of 1, exactly 1, FPS that does even half of what you're trying to pull off and could be deemed successful. TF2. And it was a dismal failure on consoles. It sold copies, but its online presence was a flash in the pan. Almost all console games online presence are a flash in the pan compared to its PC rivals.
And how are you going to handle comms gracefully. Interconnection to EvE Gate is all well and good, but console players have no keyboard, and EvE voice is not exactly well used.
Did CCP really think this out, because the amount of obstacles you've put in front of yourselves is simply mindblowing.
You may have some secret sauce I'm unaware of. And you may say EvE and Dust will work on their own merits without each other. But as CCP keeps saying over and over.. EvE is forever. Dust simply can't be. Either if fails miserably, or Sony releases PS4 sometime in the next 4-6 years, and it dies at that point. In the meantime you've added, and plan on continuing to add, bits into EvE which tie into Dust. Dust simply cannot be forever.
So what happens then? Does dust development get rolled into EvE itself where it should have been all along? So many things I just don't get, and don't understand. Dust at its best can only be a short term grasp for cash.
I really would like to know anything, absolutely anything about CCP's thought process in regards to Dust. Because sitting here in front of my keyboard it makes no sense if I try looking at it as a long term part of the EvE Universe.
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BIZZAROSTORMY
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Posted - 2011.06.07 09:20:00 -
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1, Great video for Dust. Nice concept, flawless execution.
2. I see a dread getting pounded from the planet - is there anything that CANT kill a dread?
3. AS with (I assume) everyone else - call me when its out for PC. I mean its basically planetside, right?
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Narisa Bithon
Caldari The Motley Crew Reborn
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Posted - 2011.06.07 09:23:00 -
[248]
so does this mean PI will now become something noone can be bothered to do anymore cos u'd spend ages setting it up only to have some 12 year olds on a ps3 come blow it up?
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WisdomLikeSilence
The Cursed Navy
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Posted - 2011.06.07 09:25:00 -
[249]
Originally by: Halycon Gamma Edited by: Halycon Gamma on 07/06/2011 09:21:35
You may have some secret sauce I'm unaware of. And you may say EvE and Dust will work on their own merits without each other. But as CCP keeps saying over and over.. EvE is forever. Dust simply can't be. .
My take on it is Sony are reeling from their most recent security leak and have offered megabucks to CCP for a high profile game launch to get them back on track. CCP for their part are not stupid, and do realise the shelf life of dust will be approximately 2 years. By which time the development cost of dust will have been largely paid for by Sony. At which point, it will be ported into eve/incarna somehow thanks to the secret sauce of carbon - making one massive, massively mutliplayer universe. Just don't tell Sony.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.06.07 09:28:00 -
[250]
Originally by: CCP Spitfire There will be two separate markets; as for the rest of the questions, they will be answered in the future DUST 514 dev blogs on the official website.
Why do you hate traders so much?
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Alchemord Kosac
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Posted - 2011.06.07 09:32:00 -
[251]
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: CCP Spitfire There will be two separate markets; as for the rest of the questions, they will be answered in the future DUST 514 dev blogs on the official website.
Why do you hate traders so much?
lol one universe with separate markets this is not one universe!!
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Lisandra Riraille
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2011.06.07 09:33:00 -
[252]
Edited by: Lisandra Riraille on 07/06/2011 09:35:05
Originally by: WisdomLikeSilence My take on it is Sony are reeling from their most recent security leak and have offered megabucks to CCP for a high profile game launch to get them back on track. CCP for their part are not stupid, and do realise the shelf life of dust will be approximately 2 years. By which time the development cost of dust will have been largely paid for by Sony. At which point, it will be ported into eve/incarna somehow thanks to the secret sauce of carbon - making one massive, massively mutliplayer universe. Just don't tell Sony.
I think CCP decided to go PS3 only a while before the outage. The reason most likely is because CCP wanted to game to be completely free to play, and of course Microsoft won't allow online play without an xbox live gold account. There may have also been an issue with MS not letting CCP update the game whenever with whatever they want (Microsoft charges the dev/publisher for updates and after a certain size requires it to be paid for content). This second reason is why Team Fortress 2 is exactly the same as it was at launch on XBL, while the PC version is almost completely different.
Originally by: Alchemord Kosac
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: CCP Spitfire There will be two separate markets; as for the rest of the questions, they will be answered in the future DUST 514 dev blogs on the official website.
Why do you hate traders so much?
lol one universe with separate markets this is not one universe!!
PVP Economics is just too dangerous to be supported on separate platforms.
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Marcus Ailichi
ohgodhowdidthisgethereimnotgoodwithcomputers
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Posted - 2011.06.07 09:34:00 -
[253]
I'm a 360 owner and honestly? I think it's better this way. Gives me another excuse to buy ps3 AND I don't have to pay 60ś per year just to play gaems online.
Also had it been 360 exclusive people would have still been whining
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Sol Mortis
Caldari An Heroes
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Posted - 2011.06.07 09:37:00 -
[254]
They made an entire new game for a console with terrible internet record before fixing the contact list. Good job CCP.
I'm so sick of offline contacts showing as online and vice versa. Why don't you spend some of our subscription money of fixing EVE instead of subsidizing a crappy console FPS that probably won't even be playable online. Also captain's quarters are stupid and useless. Fix the actual playable part of the game before making it shinier and laggier.
FIX THE CONTACT LIST FIX THE CONTACT LIST FIX THE CONTACT LIST FIX THE CONTACT LIST -Sol Mortis |
Jmarr Hyrgund
The Bastards
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Posted - 2011.06.07 09:44:00 -
[255]
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: Kyuss1979
I will say this though, DUST 514 looks absolutely stunning!!!!
CCP Shadow:
Thanks Kyuss. And our goal is really to extend the EVE universe to a whole new group of gamers, and of course weĘre hoping a great number of EVE Online players also get in on the action in DUST 514.
You're s**t out of luck then it would seem. If released on PC Dust514 would have had guaranteed itself at least 100k hardcore players who would have come directly from EVE. This would have formed the backbone of the playerbase and meant that there would always be a core of players keeping the EVE-Dust link meaningful.
As it is I predict that Dust is going to be all the rage for a maximum of 3 months, until the next big console title comes along which Acivistion/EA/Ubisoft throw their marketing muscle behind. Then Dust will die, because console jockeys have the attention span of a three year old when it comes to new shineys. If Dust dies then the investment that has been put into EVE in order to make the Dust-EVE connection meaningful will have been wasted.
This is not the best way to get a return on the investment made, and is far more likely to fail.
Sony was a terrible choice (especially after recent events) and console only was always a bad idea.
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Zothike
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.07 09:50:00 -
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as it's free to download and play will it be possible to play without spending any isk/aurum/real money even if doing so will be firing with a 22long rifle while others will have a m16 ? :)
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Dennie Fleetfoot
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Posted - 2011.06.07 09:52:00 -
[257]
CCP have consistently claimed that Dust was multiformat.
The console specs haven't changed. We can all assume correctly then that there has been until recently, fully working beta's for PC, Xbox and PS3.
I have not read a single technical explanation as yet as to why the change to PS3 exclusivity, that I have not heard before from other developers in similar situations. Not one.
So until we get a full public denial from CCP, I and many others I'd imagine are going to take it as read that money has been exchanged.
I've no problem with that by the way. Business is business.
To pretend otherwise however, that I do have a problem with.
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Jmarr Hyrgund
The Bastards
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Posted - 2011.06.07 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: AsuraCZ
Hi, I am Eve Player and PS3 owner and have been waiting for Dust for a looooong time :). Any news on the beta? Will the sign-ups be on dust website? Will eve players be preferred? Will I need Playstation Plus to be in beta?
CCP Shadow:
ItĘs too soon to reveal the beta details but we certainly do want EVE Online players in beta.
Then make it a PC game.
Pirate - Blogger - Rifter Pilot |
darmwand
wiremaniacs
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Posted - 2011.06.07 09:59:00 -
[259]
Originally by: Dennie Fleetfoot CCP have consistently claimed that Dust was multiformat.
It seems the world knew that it was going to be a console game for quite a while...
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Infinion
Caldari Awesome Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.07 10:01:00 -
[260]
You and Sony are partners now right? Would it be possible to give subscribed eve players a discount for the PS3 console?
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TheSpyInCorp
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Posted - 2011.06.07 10:07:00 -
[261]
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Originally by: Aineko Macx How are you dealing with around-the-world network latency? Or won't it matter because players are gonna play with blunt tools like joypads?
There will be a network of battle servers hosted around the world. These servers will host individual DUST matches and feed the data into the main EVE Online cluster.
will the battles occur only between players or will there be some PvE mechanics for DUST?
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.07 10:09:00 -
[262]
Originally by: Dennie Fleetfoot CCP have consistently claimed that Dust was multiformat.
The console specs haven't changed. We can all assume correctly then that there has been until recently, fully working beta's for PC, Xbox and PS3.
I have not read a single technical explanation as yet as to why the change to PS3 exclusivity, that I have not heard before from other developers in similar situations. Not one.
So until we get a full public denial from CCP, I and many others I'd imagine are going to take it as read that money has been exchanged.
I've no problem with that by the way. Business is business.
To pretend otherwise however, that I do have a problem with.
From the very first days, DUST 514 was announced as a console-based game. As for PS3 exclusivity, simply speaking, we found the platform to be more MMO-friendly. DUST 514 is a unique project in many ways ū not least in the way it will interact with EVE ū and PlayStation 3 suited our needs perfectly.
Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online |
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.07 10:14:00 -
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Good job CCP, very excited for Dust514. I can understand why you chose the PS3 and I support that choice. I'm just very happy to finally see the Dust514 site up and running with lots of good info on there (loved the Dev Blog and will be reading the first Dust514 Chronicle later today). I will for sure be in the beta. ~Gnosis~ |
Jmarr Hyrgund
The Bastards
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Posted - 2011.06.07 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Higgs Bison How will EVE be affected is Dust is a flop?
The games don't require each other to work.
But, my dear Fallout, The whole USP of Dust is that it connects to EVE, and it affects EVE. The games may well not need each other to work, but there is a whole slew of stuff in both games that will be lessened without the interaction being there.
What about the investment that has been put into developing planetary interaction purely for the purposes of dust (Don't try and deny it, that's the only reason we got PI in the first place) There may not be any direct consequences for EVE if Dust Flops (which I believe it will unless it gets a PC release) but there will be indirect effects both economically and direct influences on CCPs reputation if nothing else.
CCP have misjudged this very badly IMO. I really hope they rethink and go for a wider release across more formats.
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Tergiminius
Binary Star
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Posted - 2011.06.07 10:29:00 -
[265]
I bought my XBOX-360 because of this way back a year or so ago, foolishly thinking it would be out Soon(tm).
Bit disappointed it's PS3 only and now I'll miss out on it but on the plus side I discovered Rockband, something I probably never would have if I'd not got the XBOX for DUST, so thanks at least for that CCP
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yani dumyat
Minmatar Pixie Cats
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Posted - 2011.06.07 10:36:00 -
[266]
Thank you CCP, this looks superb ^_^ One question, is there likely to be some sort of promotion where eve players can get a cheap PS3?
If I could get money off by using ISK (plex) to pay for part or all of it that would be awesome.
Last FPS I had any interest in was doom 2 and there's never been a console release that's been able to tempt me away form my PC, dust looks set to change that. Bring on the full sci-fi simulator.
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Darth Vapour
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Posted - 2011.06.07 10:38:00 -
[267]
What contingencies have been made for a months long downtime of the PSN network ?
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Vaju Katru
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Posted - 2011.06.07 10:47:00 -
[268]
Rofl at all the owners of a failBox, its not CCP fault that you use zx spectrum console that runs games with tapes.
Load ""
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Branwulf Dashiva
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.07 10:47:00 -
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Edited by: Branwulf Dashiva on 07/06/2011 10:48:29 Edited by: Branwulf Dashiva on 07/06/2011 10:47:24 I'm just sad that it's on the PS3, now i'll probably not play it, and I even have a PS3. As soon as people have played if for a few weeks they will be back to CoD or Battlefield or Resistance or Killzone etc.
Personally I think the only place where it would stand a chance of sustaining an audience is on the PC, at least you have an existing market their would would be interested and advertise your game for you, on the PS3 no one has a clue, just look at all the comments on various news outlets, they don't care about the connected to EVE, why should they? They don't play it, it's just a gimmick to many.
What's more they are going up against the MAG developer directly, who will no doubt release a sequel soon enough, taking back a piece of the pie.
PS.
Originally by: Vaju Katru Rofl at all the owners of a failBox, its not CCP fault that you use zx spectrum console that runs games with tapes.
Load ""
Welcome to the future, here we install games onto the hard drive derp herp.
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Vaughn Baychimo
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Posted - 2011.06.07 10:47:00 -
[270]
Originally by: Higgs Bison How will EVE be affected is Dust is a flop?
You get to see CCP kick themselves in the asses for wasting all those resources instead of just investing them into a product with a proven track record.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Malevolence. Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.06.07 10:51:00 -
[271]
I won't buy a console to play a single game, and certainly not a ps3. I could not possibly justify that financially.
Too bad, as it looks very nice and fun. Back to BF2142 it seems... ----- Malevolence. is recruiting. Dive into the world of 0.0 !
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lycaniz
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Posted - 2011.06.07 10:55:00 -
[272]
Dissapointet.... a lot.... ps3 only.... pfft. is that some smart way to limit players so you got less work to do or something? i dont know.... but it suck.
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Dennie Fleetfoot
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Posted - 2011.06.07 11:09:00 -
[273]
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Originally by: Dennie Fleetfoot CCP have consistently claimed that Dust was multiformat.
The console specs haven't changed. We can all assume correctly then that there has been until recently, fully working beta's for PC, Xbox and PS3.
I have not read a single technical explanation as yet as to why the change to PS3 exclusivity, that I have not heard before from other developers in similar situations. Not one.
So until we get a full public denial from CCP, I and many others I'd imagine are going to take it as read that money has been exchanged.
I've no problem with that by the way. Business is business.
To pretend otherwise however, that I do have a problem with.
From the very first days, DUST 514 was announced as a console-based game. As for PS3 exclusivity, simply speaking, we found the platform to be more MMO-friendly. DUST 514 is a unique project in many ways ū not least in the way it will interact with EVE ū and PlayStation 3 suited our needs perfectly.
Sorry guys, didn't mean to put PC as a format. I knew it was console only. *slaps forehead*
However Spitfire, as much as I thank you for your response, I believe my point still stands.
With the prior claims to it being Multi-format then logically there must have been an Xbox version, the spec's for that console haven't changed.
"As for PS3 exclusivity, simply speaking, we found the platform to be more MMO-friendly. DUST 514 is a unique project in many ways ū not least in the way it will interact with EVE ū and PlayStation 3 suited our needs perfectly."
What is the technical reason that previously wasn't a problem before that suddenly made the Xbox 'less MMO friendly' than the PS3?
There are only 3 explanations.
1: Microsoft's service constrictions with Xbox Live mean that Dust couldn't work as you'd hoped. Which I wouldn't be too shocked about. In which case, just say that its Microsoft's policies that have denied the format the joys of Dust and we can move on, knowing who's fault it is.
2: CCP don't have the technical know how, resources or skills to make an 'MMO unfriendly console' work they way they want. I personally don't believe this for a moment. You guys have uber skills as a developer and I'm fairly convinced you could make a Xbox make a cup of tea for you all, should you wish it.
3. CCP and Sony have signed an exclusivity deal, in which case just say so. Business is business as I said before. No one with an IQ above that of a dead dog is going to not understand that or think less of you for it. We've still got our internet spaceships after all.
Which one is it?
You've made a great universe with EVE and it's only right you'd want to expand it. I just think you've limited the scope of that expansion and in the current economic climate, plus the fact that there is not one other single game on it that can't already play on my Xbox that I'm interested in, I can't and won't justify the purchase of a PS3 to play one game.
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Lieutenant Narf
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Posted - 2011.06.07 11:09:00 -
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PS3 ONLY
PS3 is a very expensive console to buy just to play Dust 514. Not to mention their multiplayer support is a nightmair.
As much as I was looking forward to it, looks like I won't be playing it either.....
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.07 11:11:00 -
[275]
Originally by: CCP Spitfire From the very first days, DUST 514 was announced as a console-based game. As for PS3 exclusivity, simply speaking, we found the platform to be more MMO-friendly. DUST 514 is a unique project in many ways ū not least in the way it will interact with EVE ū and PlayStation 3 suited our needs perfectly.
Not to sound intelligent or anything, but there's this platform that is even better than the PS3. It's one that - even you, ccp - have intense past experience of. It's a wonderful platform, that can do many things without restricting the users of it.
It's the PC. Who would have thought! _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers Ignore This.
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Posted - 2011.06.07 11:11:00 -
[276]
Edited by: cBOLTSON on 07/06/2011 11:12:15 Im going to say this early before its too late, well mabye it is too late. DUST isnt going to be very sucessful. PS3 only is a bad choice.
I wanted to buy DUST when I heard about it, then you said it wouldnt be on PC (**** MOVE) So I got my younger brother looking at it, he seemed intrested but now you say its ps3 only, so he wont buy that.
How do you guys come up with decisions like this?
ALSO -
Originally when you were showing us dust last year at the fanfest presentation you were using XBOX controllers!! MAKE DUST FOR THE PC or this will fail.
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GLEV
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Posted - 2011.06.07 11:17:00 -
[277]
What about XBOX 360 ?
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Metlec
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Posted - 2011.06.07 11:21:00 -
[278]
So dust is gunna be a singleplayer game ?
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Gereon Valk
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Posted - 2011.06.07 11:25:00 -
[279]
Can't even get past the "Age Verification" on the Dust514 site. Site only working from a PS3 browser, or how could you even "verify" anything? :P
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.07 11:32:00 -
[280]
Originally by: Gereon Valk Can't even get past the "Age Verification" on the Dust514 site. Site only working from a PS3 browser, or how could you even "verify" anything? :P
Just type your age in the box and there you go.
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Eno Lacigol
Amarr QQ Continuum
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Posted - 2011.06.07 11:33:00 -
[281]
Not having dust available on PC is a damn shame. Killed any excitement that I had about the game into disappointment.
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Vaughn Baychimo
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Posted - 2011.06.07 11:36:00 -
[282]
Originally by: Connie Focal Edited by: Connie Focal on 07/06/2011 08:09:14 I think a lot of people may be missing a key word on the announcement.
Quote: launching exclusively on PlayStation 3
Unless they've then said elsewhere that it will forever be PS3 only, in which case ignore me.
yup, this^
So, has anyone tried the DUST BETA yet?
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Sar Hadariel
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Posted - 2011.06.07 11:39:00 -
[283]
I think it is a mistake to single out a single platform for the release of dust..... As a 360 user I feel you left myself and the rest of us out in the cold... To me, it's the same thing as saying that eve is only pc or mac compatable. Dust no longer matters to me.... Stupid idea
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Raven God
Texas Inc. THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2011.06.07 11:39:00 -
[284]
Edited by: Raven God on 07/06/2011 11:42:09 If you dont release on Xbox your doomed :) just sayin
Edit: You realize that all decent shooters are on Xbox and no one owns a ps3
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Valetta Vasquez
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Posted - 2011.06.07 11:47:00 -
[285]
Originally by: CCP Spitfire As for PS3 exclusivity, simply speaking, we found the platform to be more MMO-friendly. DUST 514 is a unique project in many ways ū not least in the way it will interact with EVE ū and PlayStation 3 suited our needs perfectly.
Shame you've just lost at least half, if not more, of your potential customers just because it was "MMO-Friendly". I know quite a few people who now won't be getting this. I bet every player in Eve does...
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Dogo Duma
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Posted - 2011.06.07 11:57:00 -
[286]
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Originally by: Dennie Fleetfoot CCP have consistently claimed that Dust was multiformat.
The console specs haven't changed. We can all assume correctly then that there has been until recently, fully working beta's for PC, Xbox and PS3.
I have not read a single technical explanation as yet as to why the change to PS3 exclusivity, that I have not heard before from other developers in similar situations. Not one.
So until we get a full public denial from CCP, I and many others I'd imagine are going to take it as read that money has been exchanged.
I've no problem with that by the way. Business is business.
To pretend otherwise however, that I do have a problem with.
From the very first days, DUST 514 was announced as a console-based game. As for PS3 exclusivity, simply speaking, we found the platform to be more MMO-friendly. DUST 514 is a unique project in many ways ū not least in the way it will interact with EVE ū and PlayStation 3 suited our needs perfectly.
Please don't take this as "bitter", but I fail to see how it is unique. There's been one or two (admittedly fail) game projects to tie mmo to console environments, and there's quite a few studios exploring and even working on recombining elements & trends like platforms, casualitions of gaming, monetisation, gratification, etc.
What am I missing (yes, honest question).
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Nell Tu
EMIX INC I Got Banned For That
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:02:00 -
[287]
Given last FPS game I played was Terminator: Future Shock be my guest and make the game for "Rubber Duck" consoles I don't care. Though I would be very disappointed if this new pet started to leech EvE resources (developers).
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minerdave
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:02:00 -
[288]
im not to worried about the fact its a ps3 exclusive, what i am worried about is the controller setup
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Mitchello
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:05:00 -
[289]
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: CCP Spitfire From the very first days, DUST 514 was announced as a console-based game. As for PS3 exclusivity, simply speaking, we found the platform to be more MMO-friendly. DUST 514 is a unique project in many ways ū not least in the way it will interact with EVE ū and PlayStation 3 suited our needs perfectly.
Not to sound intelligent or anything, but there's this platform that is even better than the PS3. It's one that - even you, ccp - have intense past experience of. It's a wonderful platform, that can do many things without restricting the users of it.
It's the PC. Who would have thought!
They don't want to remain rooted in that market however. They want to diversify. Spread commercial reach and risk. On a strategic level, aiming Dust to create its own core user groups & types makes perfect sense, just like it once did with EVE.
Add to that the temptations of monetisation models, and do not underestimate the necessity to do other things once a while than those you have done for years.
INCARNA. EXPERT HOUSING, QUARTER STYLE, New Eden's Blue Lagoon. Coming Soon.
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John McCreedy
Caldari Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:11:00 -
[290]
If Dust proves to be a commercial success on the PS3, will CCP re-consider cross-platform support, namely XBox and PC?
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Vaju Katru
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:11:00 -
[291]
Please make it run on my Sega Saturn, please....
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Dan Wilkie
Gallente Universal Freelance
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:16:00 -
[292]
The only thing I don't get is the MMO-Friendly aspect. I mean PSN's had more downtime than a Gosport Hooker, it was the whole reason I got rid of the PS3 and dusted off my XBox (because what's the point in buying a single-player console these days?).
I know 1 person who still has a PS3, and ironically it's the ONLY one of my friends who has no interest in FPSs.
Ah well, can't win them all. I mean you'd have thought that an extra 4 million potentials over the PS3 would have swung it but that's why I'm not in marketing :)
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Aston Martin DB5
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:17:00 -
[293]
What do I need to do to ensure I get a beta?
Also, all this complaining about not being on xbox, I will wager that 95 percent of the people crying don't even OWN AN XBOX lol.
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Admiral Tolwyn
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:20:00 -
[294]
Originally by: John McCreedy If Dust proves to be a commercial success on the PS3, will CCP re-consider cross-platform support, namely XBox and PC?
They made a Sony only agreement. This means they got money from them. This is the "MMO friendly" environment we are talking about. This agreement will force them to say nothing about their plans to port it to another console. Everyone who has a PS3 knows that the multiplayer part sux so badly compared to the Live Service. So this was just a money decision and nothing else.
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Gereon Valk
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:21:00 -
[295]
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Originally by: Gereon Valk Can't even get past the "Age Verification" on the Dust514 site. Site only working from a PS3 browser, or how could you even "verify" anything? :P
Just type your age in the box and there you go.
If it were that simple, I wouldn't have posted this. Something is broken on that site, at least for me.
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Dan Wilkie
Gallente Universal Freelance
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:22:00 -
[296]
Originally by: Aston Martin DB5 What do I need to do to ensure I get a beta?
Also, all this complaining about not being on xbox, I will wager that 95 percent of the people crying don't even OWN AN XBOX lol.
I'll bet they know more people who own XBoxs than PS3's though - that's why I wanted it there, so my non-PC gaming friends could play while I played Eve.
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Vaju Katru
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:27:00 -
[297]
Originally by: Gereon Valk
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Originally by: Gereon Valk Can't even get past the "Age Verification" on the Dust514 site. Site only working from a PS3 browser, or how could you even "verify" anything? :P
Just type your age in the box and there you go.
If it were that simple, I wouldn't have posted this. Something is broken on that site, at least for me.
The system also detects dumb people, so ask some near you to the enter the site for you.
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Mitchello
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:27:00 -
[298]
Originally by: John McCreedy If Dust proves to be a commercial success on the PS3, will CCP re-consider cross-platform support, namely XBox and PC?
It's an "exclusive" deal. Whatever options, they'll have to wait for after the expiration of such terms.
And again, since they want to grow a core userbase for Dust, they will be VERY cautious of things that can easily get in the way of that.
Btw, your sig is borked.
INCARNA. EXPERT HOUSING, QUARTER STYLE, New Eden's Blue Lagoon. Coming Soon.
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SerialTurd
APEX ARDENT COALITION C0NVICTED
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:30:00 -
[299]
Looks quite awesome. I own both and barely play console games unless there's an exclusive out and I'm forced to get it for that particular console.
I'm guessing as many have already stated that M$ said sorry, we aren't going to allow you to set up the game the way you want it and that's why we have it as a ps3 exclusive.
THINK PEOPLE! CCP is a company who's in it to make money. They would be dumb to not release it on the 360. That's a HUGE share of the console market. So why would they skip out on it??? It had to have been something M$ said to prevent them from making the game they wanted.
I'm sure we'll find out in the very near future but my guess is, don't cry to CCP. Go cry to M$ for having BS rules for their console.
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SwissChris1
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:32:00 -
[300]
If the playstation networks keep getting hacked then there will be no more playstation by the time this game is completed :D Seriously who in their right mind would buy something that has been hacked 3 times in the last few weeks. Sony fail.
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Erik Finnegan
Gallente Polytechnique Gallenteenne
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:35:00 -
[301]
Dear CCP,
I do not yet own a console and I was always wondering which one it was supposed to be. They really look so exchangeable for me from the outside. Thanks for making the decision a LOT easier now. It will be the one with the New Eden in it. |
Dan Wilkie
Gallente Universal Freelance
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:39:00 -
[302]
I doubt very much you'll see it on 360 in the future... It'd need to let people on XBox live play against people on PSN for starters, else it would make no sense at all.
And that, i can't see happening.
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Rhapsodyy
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:39:00 -
[303]
Originally by: Infinion You and Sony are partners now right? Would it be possible to give subscribed eve players a discount for the PS3 console?
This and id consider buying a PS3 perhaps, similar to the recent discount from Nvidia announced at fanfest.
Also, not that i know what the eta is, but what happens when the next generation of Playstation is released, will dust just be left to rot on the PS3 with an ever decreasing player base? How are you going to deal with this in the years to come?
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Ronald Ray Gun
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:39:00 -
[304]
Originally by: SwissChris1 If the playstation networks keep getting hacked then there will be no more playstation by the time this game is completed :D Seriously who in their right mind would buy something that has been hacked 3 times in the last few weeks. Sony fail.
Who would buy a game that previously deleted your boot.ini. file? Or use a newly released forum that was so bugged it allowed you to post as a CCP member of staff or anyone else you chose. Who would buy a game where the Devs had been caught cheating and it was covered up by the people in charge? Who would pay for a game where bug ridden content is constantly released without proper QA?
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NextDarkKnight
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:40:00 -
[305]
Sorry,
Xbox home here, no desire to get a PS3. If you cannot support the 360, Please provide a PC port instead. -=//? Galatic Dip Ship Commander ?//=- |
Dan Brimstone
Order of Dendera Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:41:00 -
[306]
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Originally by: Dennie Fleetfoot CCP have consistently claimed that Dust was multiformat.
The console specs haven't changed. We can all assume correctly then that there has been until recently, fully working beta's for PC, Xbox and PS3.
I have not read a single technical explanation as yet as to why the change to PS3 exclusivity, that I have not heard before from other developers in similar situations. Not one.
So until we get a full public denial from CCP, I and many others I'd imagine are going to take it as read that money has been exchanged.
I've no problem with that by the way. Business is business.
To pretend otherwise however, that I do have a problem with.
From the very first days, DUST 514 was announced as a console-based game. As for PS3 exclusivity, simply speaking, we found the platform to be more MMO-friendly. DUST 514 is a unique project in many ways ū not least in the way it will interact with EVE ū and PlayStation 3 suited our needs perfectly.
I never understood platform exclusivity, to this day I don't (other than the console owners wanting more money). You would think as a game developer CCP would want to get the game in the hands of as many gamers as possible, so I still don't understand why it isn't on both PS3 and xbox.
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Mitchello
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:45:00 -
[307]
Interesting article on Rock, Paper, Shotgun. Comments to it are probably even more interesting in terms of current trend of reception of the announcement =/
INCARNA. EXPERT HOUSING, QUARTER STYLE, New Eden's Blue Lagoon. Coming Soon.
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John McCreedy
Caldari Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:49:00 -
[308]
Originally by: Mitchello
Originally by: John McCreedy If Dust proves to be a commercial success on the PS3, will CCP re-consider cross-platform support, namely XBox and PC?
It's an "exclusive" deal. Whatever options, they'll have to wait for after the expiration of such terms.
And again, since they want to grow a core userbase for Dust, they will be VERY cautious of things that can easily get in the way of that.
Btw, your sig is borked.
CCP are many things but they're not stupid and they'll be well aware that this isn't going to be a commercial success over night. I'd imagine a large proportion of Dust's initial customer base will be PS3-owning Eve subscribers. But exclusivity is not normally for the life of a product, it invariably has set terms such as duration or set number of users. What I'm asking is are CCP ruling out Dust ever appearing on other the PC since clearly the PC already has the technology in place with which to handle MMOs?
Thanks for the head's up on the Sig. It's just a link to our recruitment thread
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Freibuis
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:52:00 -
[309]
on PSN. to bad.. moving to something else. I wont play Dust on my PS3 as its end of life. the early builds shown were on xb360 and looks promissing. but still I wont play it if its on either as theses points
FPS;s are Keyboard mouse and high server player count. I never play FPS's on my consoles.. as its stupid <incoming flame> my console is just a toy to play car games and kids games.
Is the idea that brining this platform to Desktops a bad idea as it will pull gamers away from a paid method EVE MMO?
Also what is CCP going to do when the Low player numbers on the PSN network fail to live up to its needs (MMO interaction). will we get a commitment that the Desktop market will be opened up if the PSN market fails after 6-12 months?
Bassically what is CCP's out if this fails to hold market share after 12 months and how will that effect MMO community if it does fail?
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Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:57:00 -
[310]
Originally by: Aston Martin DB5 What do I need to do to ensure I get a beta?
Also, all this complaining about not being on xbox, I will wager that 95 percent of the people crying don't even OWN AN XBOX lol.
Knowing CCP, they'll probably try to sell that access to you.
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nathanius
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:57:00 -
[311]
FAIL for me :(
XBOX is the best plattform for FPS at the moment . This is a bad choice for me , also number of xbox in the world overhead ps3 console , was a great opportunity of reach a major player number . IMHO was correctly first choice any month ago ..... xbox forever.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:58:00 -
[312]
Edited by: Tres Farmer on 07/06/2011 13:00:20
Originally by: Erik Finnegan Dear CCP,
I do not yet own a console and I was always wondering which one it was supposed to be. They really look so exchangeable for me from the outside. Thanks for making the decision a LOT easier now. It will be the one with the New Eden in it.
this +1
btw.. one universe/one war/one market The one who is writing the devblog explaining why we'll have two markets better has done his homework. There will be plenty of people looking at this.
Originally by: Rhapsodyy *snip*
Also, not that i know what the eta is, but what happens when the next generation of Playstation is released, will dust just be left to rot on the PS3 with an ever decreasing player base? How are you going to deal with this in the years to come?
Dev reply in GD said they will just offer a free download for the next gen PS.
Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody! |
Tire Iron
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:59:00 -
[313]
I think it already been said but I'll say it again. Putting DUST 514 on PS3 and for that matter on the PSN is a bad move. It can be good, and I hope for the best.
I've been following this game since I first heard about it, the thought of a FPS that is in turn melded with a MMO is a massively great Idea, and it is revolutionary. However, due to recent events (and the fact I'm a loyal Microsoft consumer) I think it is the wrong move.
One main reason is the PSN got hacked, this caused many to lose account information and locked the PSN down for about a month. I'm not sure if DUST will be so melded with our beloved EVE that it would cause problem if it happened again, but I fear it may. To be quaint I fear if PSN go's down EVE will go down. You guys may have realized this and taken precautions making it separate, so if such a situation occurred only some of EVE's components would be down.
PS3 is not a great shooter console, while it has a few great shooter titles such as Resistance and Killzone I dont think its qualified to set the bar much higher then those games. I don't know what your plans are for DUST and at this point I don't know if I will keep following it.
However now that I think of it, most of these arguments are likely void. I remember someone stating at the conference about it being on separate servers (or hinting towards it). Also I hope you don't forget the people out there who dont own a console and only own a computer, being that's where EVE is that's where your largest fan base is, well I'm done. I've likely wasted a few people's time when they stopped scrolling through the vast amounts of posts. Good luck.
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Hazzim
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Posted - 2011.06.07 12:59:00 -
[314]
It's honestly regrettable to hear Dust514's exclusivity. Hopefully, CCP future endeavours would justify itself opening it up to cross-platform i.e Xbox, PC.
CCP,
To point my question is, will there be a Dust514 Themed PS3 for the release of Dust 514?
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TLWE
Polish Lords' Confederacy
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:05:00 -
[315]
CCP was very pragmatic. They wanted as many players as possible. So multi console choice was made. Microsoft was emotional. "Halo? Halo? Anyone there? Yes! Dust514 here. Just finishing the kill on Halo." Very emotional indeed.
Now the whole issue is: A. When CCP realize they will need to convert the game to PCs. B. When we get that FPS to PCs. Maybe even as an expansion to Eve Online? :)
I am sure now we will get it to PCs. Eventually. -- B=g, Honor, Nar=d. Semper Fidelis. Nec Hercules Contra Plures. |
MyZalia
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:07:00 -
[316]
Alienate ~75% of your existing customer base? Check Limit yourself to a limited economic market? Check Have a game that ties into a PC game, that you CANT play on PC? Check Wind up on discount part of aisle for unwanted new console games? Probably
Congrats, as you then also limit yourself to a fewer number of players that can be dragged out of 514 into EVE which would certainly make you more money over the lifetime of the consumer.
I see what you guys did. Pick whatever argument you want to defend the PS3 exclusivity, but go ask your economist guy: it wasn't a really good choice :( Now wait for backlash to eve market when players previously energized to play eve by Dust prospect quit caring because they cant play it.
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Gruth McGranger
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:13:00 -
[317]
CCP, I really hope you listen to your "PC customers" and release a PC version of this game, since there is clearly a large demand for it. Tapping into the wellspring of the console gamers' wallet is a good idea and will pull more people into your endeavors, expand your horizons, and in turn make you an assload of cash, but don't pull an 'Infinity Ward' on us and defecate on the people that keep the heart of your company beating. The money is there in the pc community as well- and people are willing to spend it. Don't turn a deaf ear to them blatantly saying so, as you're only missing out.
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Maplestone
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:23:00 -
[318]
As a fan of MMOs in general, I am extremely interested in seeing how this experiment goes because I believe it represents a watershed moment that is going to pave the way to the next generation of virtual worlds. Although DUST itself is not a game I intend to play personally, I very much want to see it succeed for the sake of the worlds I want to see made.
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:29:00 -
[319]
There's a baffling amount of negative hyperbole in this thread.
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:36:00 -
[320]
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Originally by: Aineko Macx How are you dealing with around-the-world network latency? Or won't it matter because players are gonna play with blunt tools like joypads?
There will be a network of battle servers hosted around the world. These servers will host individual DUST matches and feed the data into the main EVE Online cluster.
Consequently this means that either a) only players geographically near to each other will be able to form corps and have a matches (many corps/matches will not be allowed because they are far apart) or b) players will be allowed to play with each other regardless of location, meaning that players from Australia sparring with dudes from the UK are pretty much screwed. ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation. |
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PrimaryParadox
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:38:00 -
[321]
Well it looks like Dust will be condemned to the garbage pile for me since its a PS3 exclusive, PS3 can barely run their own stuff let alone deal with something like this. What a joke the release is "we wanted to bring this to the most ppl" is a load of bull**** because 360 has a larger gaming community with faster servers and dosent get hacked for private information which Sony seems to have a major issue with lately...its too bad that when sony dies they will have to bring dust over to the 360 anyway what a waste of time...way to go CCP...complete fail on an exclusive...
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adriaans
Amarr Ankaa. Nair Al-Zaurak
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:39:00 -
[322]
I want a PC version....
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Slen Dnulke
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:41:00 -
[323]
WTF Nice to see CCP is killing Dust514 before it even hits shelfs. What happened to the planes for the cross-console game that you boasted about? I for one will not be playing Dust 514 now. Way to side your self with the MMO-killer, CCP.
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Revchan
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:41:00 -
[324]
I'm not really an exclusive console user myself, but only PS3? Seriously? I never really planned on getting the game but I would at least like to try it out sometime. It being PS3 exclusive is very disappointing. The fact you signed on with a company such as Sony for this makes me rethink my views of CCP. Sony has no trust from me whatsoever, especially with their constant network breaches they've been getting. I'm sorry, but I don't want my CCP account associated with Sony in any way. My main question to you, CCP, is are you going to take the security measures to make sure our accounts are safe from Sony's hacked network? I don't even want Sony to be able to see my account at all. Just a look from them will likely get my account stolen. Sony has horrible credibility now, why would you guys sink to signing on with Sony?
Again: Will our accounts be kept completely separate from Sony? I want my account to have nothing to do with that company.
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Revchan
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ronald Ray Gun
Originally by: SwissChris1 If the playstation networks keep getting hacked then there will be no more playstation by the time this game is completed :D Seriously who in their right mind would buy something that has been hacked 3 times in the last few weeks. Sony fail.
Who would buy a game that previously deleted your boot.ini. file? Or use a newly released forum that was so bugged it allowed you to post as a CCP member of staff or anyone else you chose. Who would buy a game where the Devs had been caught cheating and it was covered up by the people in charge? Who would pay for a game where bug ridden content is constantly released without proper QA?
YOU.
Really? You are comparing "deleted your boot.ini file" with "sony network hacked 3 times leaking your PERSONAL information and credit card information." There is no comparison there. They are two totally different levels of bad.
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Parsival Abon
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:47:00 -
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I was really looking forward to this game, and had in fact already begun recruiting all my son's 12 year old friends who are wasting away their youth on Call of Duty to consider switching to Dust 514 so I'd have a kick-a$$ army to do my evil bidding. Too bad they all have Xbox360s. This decision is like choosing Beta over VHS.
In other news, I remain strikingly handsome.
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LifeHatesMe
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:49:00 -
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Edited by: LifeHatesMe on 07/06/2011 13:53:56
Originally by: Solomon XI I could go into a vivid discussion on why this it's bull$hit that Dust 514 is going to be an exclusive Playstation game but I'm not going to because I'm absolutely certain it's too damn late for anything to change at this point.
Eve Online runs on a Microsoft backbone to begin with and the Xbox 360 has always been a better "FPS Shooter" platform than the PS3. All you have done is commit us loyal 360 fans to either not playing Dust 514 or spending an obscene amount of money on a new gaming console for a single game.
Why you choose exclusivity with Sony over Microsoft is beyond me. The 360 is a better console. Period.
Ditto, not buying this game if it's going to be on PS3, I'd probably buy two copies otherwise..
Edit: I own two xbox's, and I owned a PS2, played on it maybe 20 hours for those cool RPG's, never went back.. ______________________________ War... War never ends. |
Traska Gannel
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:49:00 -
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EVE Online runs on a PC or a MAC ... under Windows or OSX. (and in some cases Wine under Linux)
Every player of EVE has this hardware.
EVE players might be considered the primary initial market for Dust 514 and the main motivators for its development.
Only a fraction of EVE players own a PS3. So only a fraction of EVE players will purchase Dust 514. Those with the hardware who like FPS games.
CCP will have to ensure that Dust 514 has a much broader appeal than just the EVE community or it will fail since they have already alienated a significant fraction of the EVE community by designing the game for hardware that most do not own.
I hope it is a great game but without a PC version I won't be buying it.
/end comment on PS3 3 exclusivity
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Znagl
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:55:00 -
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Exclusive Publishing via the greatest Fail in Online Gaming History? (Sony)
This could get interesting....
How do you expect to compete with FPS like Crap of Duty when a big potential of your customers are PC based?
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Sister Megarea
Sisters of Agony
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tolaskar Hardrada
Very, very bad week RL + Sister Megarea's last post (showing a complete and utter lack of basic knowledge regarding the topic) with the comments from others set me off. I can only handle so much whining from perceived adults.
You shouldn't make assumptions about other peoples' knowledge: It tends to highlight your own lack.
Here are a few points, without the rage:
- Eve customers have been extremely loyal: Adding an expansion to the universe and completely locking them out is disrespectful at best and economically limiting at worst
- FPS games on consoles are notoriously child-like. Auto aim being but one of the diaper-changing concepts
- Console games are notoriously short-lived. With very, very few exceptions, few stay popular more than a few months
- Eve is a massive universe, with enormous possibilities. Expanding the playerbase for Eve ? A Good Thing. Limiting that expansion to an infinitesimally small portion of the consumer market ? Short sighted - and that's being polite.
- Sony is one of the most insecure gaming networks around. You say you "were only aware of the hack" a few days ago: Are you also aware that this was the third hack in six weeks ? It has literally been across the national IT media for ages. You may want to add www.arstechnica.com to your bookmark list.
- Keeping it as a PS3 (or console general) exclusive for a limited time would absolutely make economic sense - We would then buy CCPs argument that they want to expand the playerbase and most of us would happily wait a year while they built up the console playerbase before letting us in to show them how it's done: Making it PS3 exclusive for all time is simply short, short sighted.
- That being said: CCP will see, within a year, the utter silliness not only of going console only, but specifically PS3 only: I think we'll see a PC port sometime after that after the expectations are so catastrophically under-met, but you'll have a lot of players who won't buy it on principle.
At the end of the day, this is a slap to their existing playerbase: There is no denying that. There is absolutely no reason other than "Sony wants a feather in its cap" for exclusivity to the console only.
This. Will. Fail.
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Ogogov
Gallente Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:56:00 -
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In almost all cases games that are launched as an "exclusive" to any one platform are very often ported to another platform some months after the initial launch date. This is because ignoring a large untapped market often proves irresistible.
Dust is based off the Unreal engine for starters, which means many of the tools to port the game are already there. Couple this with knowledge of what's going on with Carbon and it's entirely possible they'll be able to move most of the assets over without too much hassle.
It's true that XBlive users might not be able to play with their playstation equivalents, but both those networks really only connect back to CCP's equipment anyway.
I'd fully expect a version of dust for the XB360 and possibly even the PC after a few months, sooner if it doesn't do well in sales. In my case, I don't (nor will I ever) own a console, specially for FPS games.. so I'll just sit this one out.
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LiquidatorBrunt
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:57:00 -
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bring it out on pc
oh gee wizz, we have a huge pc fanbase but what we really want is a console one, I know let's ignore the pc fanbase for the sake of the console fanbase who DOES NOT EXIST yet!
Seriously I wish CCP every bit of success, but you seem to be a bit over-confident that anyone outside hardcore gaming circles. I don't know ANYONE other than eve players who know about this game, who even know who CCP are.
I do know that you have thousand of PC gaming fans, so why you would contemplate not brining this out on steam as well is beyond me. I do have an xbox but even I am not nutty enough to consider buying a PS3 for what is.... probably.. and i wish it not to be... a throw away fps set in the eve universe, that will have some sort of interaction with PI??! is that it, i dunno as an actual eve player I see how the trailers are but it never quite ends up being practical :)
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.07 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Ailichi I'm a 360 owner and honestly? I think it's better this way. Gives me another excuse to buy ps3 AND I don't have to pay 60ś per year just to play gaems online.
Also had it been 360 exclusive people would have still been whining
You, sir, are pro at showing CCP how their forum can be broken. /me salutes.
Originally by: Higgs Bison How will EVE be affected if Dust is a flop?
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.06.07 14:16:00 -
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Regarding the visuals, is there any chance the game will have some color? So far, everything I've seen shows that the game's visual style is very bleak. I'm not expecting rainbows, or anything like that, but not every map has to look like a nuclear wasteland.
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Cole Ontor
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Posted - 2011.06.07 14:17:00 -
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i only has 1 ? for this,will we still be able to nuke from orbit
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Ms Freak
Amarr Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.07 14:17:00 -
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1) Anyone remember Planet Side? What happened to that? Just askin.
2) How do eve players interact with Dust?
3) Why console only, i really don't get it?
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Thaledred Askiras
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Posted - 2011.06.07 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Ailichi Gives me another excuse to buy ps3 AND I don't have to pay 60ś per year just to play gaems online.
This is why PS3 is better than XCRAP -360
I own all consoles, but wish there was a PC release. Playing a shooter with an controler is slow and annoying.
Problem now is, you can't mix console players with PC players because the PC players will own the console players by far.
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cyclone71
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Posted - 2011.06.07 14:19:00 -
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i hope CCP brings out a PC version of DUST 514. cause i am collage student and i am to broke for a ps3 and i want halo 4
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Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.06.07 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sister Megarea Eve customers have been extremely loyal: Adding an expansion to the universe and completely locking them out is disrespectful at best and economically limiting at worst[/*]
It's become painfully clear that CCP's upper management doesn't care about customer loyalty (lolcustomers, etc).
Originally by: Sister Megarea FPS games on consoles are notoriously child-like. Auto aim being but one of the diaper-changing concepts
Precisely the sort of audience that would go for impulse buys for an in-game advantage.
Originally by: Sister Megarea Console games are notoriously short-lived. With very, very few exceptions, few stay popular more than a few months
Their mindset is if they can lure customers in, they'll just milk them as they go. Why do you think the tremendous disinterest the gaming world has in DUST 514 has them in full blown damage control mode on the forums?
Originally by: Sister Megarea Eve is a massive universe, with enormous possibilities. Expanding the playerbase for Eve ? A Good Thing. Limiting that expansion to an infinitesimally small portion of the consumer market ? Short sighted - and that's being polite.
See above; cash grab.
Originally by: Sister Megarea Sony is one of the most insecure gaming networks around. You say you "were only aware of the hack" a few days ago: Are you also aware that this was the third hack in six weeks ? It has literally been across the national IT media for ages. You may want to add www.arstechnica.com to your bookmark list.
Irrelevant to CCP's eyes.
Originally by: Sister Megarea Keeping it as a PS3 (or console general) exclusive for a limited time would absolutely make economic sense - We would then buy CCPs argument that they want to expand the playerbase and most of us would happily wait a year while they built up the console playerbase before letting us in to show them how it's done: Making it PS3 exclusive for all time is simply short, short sighted.
Irrelevant to CCP's eyes.
Originally by: Sister Megarea That being said: CCP will see, within a year, the utter silliness not only of going console only, but specifically PS3 only: I think we'll see a PC port sometime after that after the expectations are so catastrophically under-met, but you'll have a lot of players who won't buy it on principle.
Hahahahaha nope. CCP will probably never port DUST to the PC.
Originally by: Sister Megarea At the end of the day, this is a slap to their existing playerbase: There is no denying that. There is absolutely no reason other than "Sony wants a feather in its cap" for exclusivity to the console only.
This. Will. Fail.
Pile it on top of the existing list of grievances CCP's management has caused for people who love EVE Online. CCP is hell bent on adding more of them in pursuit of shiny. At the end of the day though, DUST will probably be financially successful - assuming they can get the wider gaming world to care. The existing player base could help with that, but CCP cares more about each person's $15 a month than our loyalty and continued interest in the property and universe.
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Aira Mereano
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Posted - 2011.06.07 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: Aira Mereano on 07/06/2011 14:29:21 Hah, the failtrain is rolling again I see.
Well congrats CCP, you just lost a HUGE amount of future Dust players.
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Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.06.07 14:39:00 -
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To all the CCP guys inevitably proclaiming that we're all "Awesome Hating TerroristsÖ," grow up; these criticisms are born as a result of your work, and these points are there to be critical of the work; they're not personal attacks.
Have fun at the press conferences tomorrow.
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Matiel Shrike
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Posted - 2011.06.07 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: Matiel Shrike on 07/06/2011 14:50:28 wow ccp. really? ps3 exclusive. bulls**t. im not going to start another argument about how its actually more clunky on the pc or 'xbox is better than the ps3', but where is the logic in making it an exclusive to one platform game? were you bribed? were your entire staff high? because you've condemned yourself to losing 2/3 of your potential profits...
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.07 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Evelgrivion To all the CCP guys inevitably proclaiming that we're all "Awesome Hating TerroristsÖ," grow up; these criticisms are born as a result of your work, and these points are there to be critical of the work; they're not personal attacks.
No, but I think the bolded bit in your quote is a borderline personal attack, since I've not seen one post from a CCP employee saying anything of the kind.
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Captain Champion
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Posted - 2011.06.07 14:55:00 -
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I'm sure it didnt work out between microsoft and ccp which is a shame. I was really looking forward to dust. Not going to buy a ps3 for it tho. Especially not after that whole network attack issue.
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Ashmira Wintereyes
Caldari Free Spirits
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Posted - 2011.06.07 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dennie Fleetfoot CCP have consistently claimed that Dust was multiformat.
The console specs haven't changed. We can all assume correctly then that there has been until recently, fully working beta's for PC, Xbox and PS3.
I have not read a single technical explanation as yet as to why the change to PS3 exclusivity, that I have not heard before from other developers in similar situations. Not one.
So until we get a full public denial from CCP, I and many others I'd imagine are going to take it as read that money has been exchanged.
I've no problem with that by the way. Business is business.
To pretend otherwise however, that I do have a problem with.
Very simple to be honest.
Exclusive deals are made in a couple of maners basicly.
1) The owner of the platform gives alot of isk. 2) The owner of the platform gives alot resources, many of times to help out ****ups made by the developer 3) a combination of the two 4) Sony pays for the underlying infrastructure that dust will use 5) The developer wants to make more isk and is not satisfied by having the online gaming part to be 'only' XBL gold members only (which is a requirement for online gameing for XBL i believe)
So, all in all it's something that SoE has cost alot of money to get it exclusive, although im not sure what it is that SoE thinks to gain from this deal...
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Carli Zandrya
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Posted - 2011.06.07 15:25:00 -
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Nor will I. After so many years of e-blood, sweat and tears I do feel slighted.
Forgive me if I'm being a simpleton, but hasn't Dust been played up as an eventual part of the EvE universe? How is that supposed to happen on different platforms? Are we only seeing colored-in pieces of a larger scheme?
Instead of including an established fan base that would absolutely eat up Dust on PC (even with a separate sub), they are forging ahead with giving a new generation of players a game which will be totally disconnected with the older and larger EvE universe and players.
If Dust doesn't migrate to the PC market, or announced that it will in short order, I'm sure I won't be the only EvE fan that went from dreaming about Dust to lamenting it. And this is an EvE website, not a 'CCP general' site. So if Dust won't marry EvE then Dust talk has no place here.
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Caldari Nundinae
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Posted - 2011.06.07 15:30:00 -
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It looks fantastic.... but its massively unlikely that they will sell anywhere as many as they would have if it was on pc... I mean who wouldn't buy it so they could add an fps element to their Eve experience... would have been amazing Immersion, corp groundforces etc... would have been AMAZING!
but instead Ill add this fail to the un-televised first 2 weekends of Alliance tournament... freekin unbelievable
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Kyron Gekh
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Posted - 2011.06.07 15:52:00 -
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Why not XBox 360???
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Rhapsodyy
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Posted - 2011.06.07 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kyron Gekh Why not XBox 360???
(Shamelessly stolen some1's reply from somewhere)
Quote: As I understand it, they wanted to release on the XBox-360, but microsoft basically made it impossible for them by the terms & conditions they enforce. (eg: all downloads over 100Mb MUST be for-money DLCs: No big patches. No giving away the client for free either. Also all games must be hosted by Microsoft, so the whole link-to-TQ thing would be impossible, which would obviate the whole point of Dust in the first place. If MS refused to compromise on those conditions, then CCP would have no choice but to either cancel the project or launch as a PS3 exclusive)
Still waiting on an OFFICIAL response to the reasons from CCP though, which i do hope they will provide sometime soon so this question can stop being asked.
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Jlayla
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:04:00 -
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Wow, haters gonna hate?
All posts here are irrelevant anyway, PS3 is a new market with a new player base waiting to signup. The games are so different that I doubt CCP are relying on many EVE players getting into Dust.
Save your breathe, go back to whining about EVE.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jlayla Wow, haters gonna hate?
All posts here are irrelevant anyway, PS3 is a new market with a new player base waiting to signup. The games are so different that I doubt CCP are relying on many EVE players getting into Dust.
Save your breathe, go back to whining about EVE.
The gaming populace isn't just a fine split between "360, PS3, PC" though. I own a PC and a 360. Some people own a PC, 360 and PS3. Some people just own a PC and a PS3 or a PS3 and a 360.
Saying that releasing only into one-of-three possibilities is better than two or even three out of three is stupid; and there is no limitation other than their own desire stopping them from making a PC version. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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Dan Brimstone
Order of Dendera Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Rhapsodyy
Quote: As I understand it, they wanted to release on the XBox-360, but microsoft basically made it impossible for them by the terms & conditions they enforce. (eg: all downloads over 100Mb MUST be for-money DLCs: No big patches. No giving away the client for free either. Also all games must be hosted by Microsoft, so the whole link-to-TQ thing would be impossible, which would obviate the whole point of Dust in the first place. If MS refused to compromise on those conditions, then CCP would have no choice but to either cancel the project or launch as a PS3 exclusive)
Still waiting on an OFFICIAL response to the reasons from CCP though, which i do hope they will provide sometime soon so this question can stop being asked.
This isn't all entirely true. There are plenty of games that do not use Micrsoft servers for their online stuff. BF Bad Company 2, the new Gears of War, and if we go further back Final Fantasy 11, which not only was cross platform (including PC) it also shared a server cross platform. I'm not sure about the downloads over a certain size costing money either. All the BFBC2 map packs where free, and there was a several gb update awhile ago that didn't cost anything either.
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Falacio Burns
Caldari Blunt Brothers Trading
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:16:00 -
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My initial thought was RAGE!!
I have a ps3 and xbox, so I can still play. It just sucks that they are excluding the bigger of the two fps communities. I have my concerns, but I'll still be playing. ----------------------------------------------
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Jlayla
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero The gaming populace isn't just a fine split between "360, PS3, PC" though. I own a PC and a 360. Some people own a PC, 360 and PS3. Some people just own a PC and a PS3 or a PS3 and a 360.
True, myself included.
But I'm talking specifically about the subset of EVE players who also have a PS3 and are interested in FPS games being a lot smaller than the total number of people playing FPS games on PS3. This is who they will furiously market the game at, any enthusiastic EVE players who come along for the ride will just be a bonus.
Speaking to the multi-platform comments, more platforms costs more to develop. DUST is a risky venture for CCP, it's very possible it doesn't gain any traction with console gamers. Probably best they figure this out before putting all of their money into a multi-platform launch.
They also have another PC game in the works too remember?
Eggs in many baskets.
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Jack Varus
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:21:00 -
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please don't put in a planetbound doomsday device. Getting it shot away by some guy on a PS3 would be about the most frustrating way I can imagine to lose a 2 billion isk ship.
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Jehanne D'ark
Minmatar Ghost Tribal Credit Union Sspectre
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:23:00 -
[356]
PS3 is the way to go :D I support the decision to make this a ps3 exclusive. I'ma love this on my ps3. :)
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Tubolard
The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: Tubolard on 07/06/2011 16:29:01 I think it is a stupid idea to go PS3 exclusive. Afterall it is not like they can make any money on micro transactions on PSN. I think after they realized that the cross consol thing wouldn't work they should have scrapped the consol idea and gone for the PC.
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Novgond Galathil
Caldari Haw Bratva
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:37:00 -
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I can understand why CCP wants to get into consoles. I can understand going with PS3 over Xbox (because MS has crazy restrictions and PS3 has much better hardware). But what I can't understand is saying FU to all your PC players. I don't know about everyone else, but I love first person shooters, and I especially love Sci-Fi themed ones. Throw in EVE and its a sure buy for me. But I don't have a PS3 and certainly won't be getting one. So the lack of PC is very very sad. PC+PS3 would make the most sense...
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Killitt
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:38:00 -
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ONLY on sony......................
WTFFCCP?
I seriously and genuinely hope that this is because they were the only ones to pick the game up.....not because they were the best deal.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:38:00 -
[360]
Originally by: Jlayla They also have another PC game in the works too remember?
Yeah, World of Darkness, which has been in the works longer than DUST has been. Which has nothing to do with Eve, therefor it's their call how they deal with it.
However, DUST is the issue at hand. I'm merely saying, it'll be nothing short of a miracle if they see any profit at all from DUST. I hope it flops so that CCP might actually learn something about not only marketing strategy, but it might just finally dissuade them from their current love affair with microtransactions. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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SeniraSource
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:39:00 -
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you got a big problem here.... dust will be followed for maybe 24 months MAX on ps3, then it will die like all other console games they fail to keep popularity for long periods, even the COD series has to release a new one every year to keep ppl interested, therefore, in 24 months, dust will be dead, so will all the aspects of eve that rely on it.
they NEED this on pc, then the eve players can fight there wars is dust to kill time when nothings going on, cos lets be honest, 90% of the time EVE is a boring game, but that 10% its not is beyond any other game.
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Capt Lynch
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Posted - 2011.06.07 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: Capt Lynch on 07/06/2011 16:45:55 I have to agree with everyone saying how PS3 exclusive is bad. CCP has not only countermanded their 'we want to send this to the most people' arguement by putting it on the console with the smallest shooter community, but they are also making sure the game (DUST...not EVE) will not get any more players.
If the hack attacks had not happened, them maybe they would have gotten new players as people who had followed the game had brought PS3's to get in on the fun...but now...there is not a chance of that happening at all. Nobody in their right mind will buy a PS3 now unless it is PROVEN that Sony have brought their security up to spec. It doesn't matter that CCP won't share info with the PSN servers...the people playing will need PSN accounts to play...and as such their details will still be at risk.
With the current state of Sony and the fact that quite a few upset customers left PSN, there is no way that DUST will bring a profit back, dooming it pretty fast. To make matters worse, the fact that DUST battles will account for sovereigncy combat on planets will endanger EVE Online itself, for once DUST flops, sovereigncy battles will be unable to be finished.
When DUST is in danger, CCP wil HAVE to go to PC or multiplatform to keep it running or risk endangering both DUST and EVE at the same time.
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fantastic mr fox
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:06:00 -
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Can I play my World of Darkness character in Dust514?
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Mr Cleann
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:08:00 -
[364]
Thats too bad CCP is going to limit themselves like that. In this economy, I have absolutely zero intentions on buy a new platform just to play the ground version of EVE. Every company has the right to shoot themselves in the profit margin. Be the kind of man that when your feet hit the floor each morning, the devil says "Oh crap, he's up!"
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Olivor
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:12:00 -
[365]
Was going to care
Then saw PS3 exclusive.
Way to go picking worst possible release choice.
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Mr Cleann
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:12:00 -
[366]
Edited by: Mr Cleann on 07/06/2011 17:14:10
Originally by: SeniraSource you got a big problem here.... dust will be followed for maybe 24 months MAX on ps3, then it will die like all other console games they fail to keep popularity for long periods, even the COD series has to release a new one every year to keep ppl interested, therefore, in 24 months, dust will be dead, so will all the aspects of eve that rely on it.
they NEED this on pc, then the eve players can fight there wars is dust to kill time when nothings going on, cos lets be honest, 90% of the time EVE is a boring game, but that 10% its not is beyond any other game.
Strongly agreed. With the economy the way it is I have zero desire to buy a new platform just to play dust. Yeah, true it can be used for other things like other games and DVDs etc. Since I started playing eve about 6 years ago. You can count the number of games I bought on 2 fingers. I have a DVD player. So what do you think the odds are that I am going to rush out to buy another platform. I'll wait until it eventually comes to PC. If' it don't oh well wont bother me any. Be the kind of man that when your feet hit the floor each morning, the devil says "Oh crap, he's up!"
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fantastic mr fox
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:13:00 -
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FWIW, Microsoft are complete tossers when it comes to networking, they won't let anyone breath. You won't see an MMO like Dust on Xbox.
I'd reckon the first steps with Sony were nothing to do with renumeration but rather simple practicalities. Sony are a lot more open minded and willing to work with people. They're a complete pain in the ass sometimes, but they're much more game than MS.
That might change now they've had a few network-related shocks, but at least CCP have their foot in the door now.
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Wolf Spyder
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:29:00 -
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Why is CCP ignoring the other platforms? Limiting DUST to only one platform could wind up hurting CCP or at least cutting their profit down a bit. Every company is allowed to cut their own foot off if they want. I'll still be playing EVE. Let us know when CCP makes DUST universal. I haven't played a good 1st person shooter in a good long time. Now that I am finally off satellite I want to get back in to it. Unfortunately I do not have any plans on buying a new console anytime son. Especially with the economy the way it is.
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Kile Kitmoore
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Kile Kitmoore on 07/06/2011 17:32:03 Tying all your hope and dreams for Dust to the PS3 seems to be a bit short sighted. I am sure you guys are high-fiving and slapping each other on your backsides about your future success with Dust. I can only hope there is at least one person in your organization that is painting some "what if" scenarios. Like what if it does not sell as well you hoped, what if PS3 is in a real decline by summer of 2012, what if after 90 days after release no one is playing Dust anymore. If any of these scenarios come to fruition I can absently guarantee your loyal PC base is going to be back here in droves rubbing your face in it.
If this was your idea for thanking your EVE Online community, this was not it. "Thanks everyone for getting us this far, thus an entirely different group of people will reap those rewards". Call me crazy but I doubt your announcement will instill much loyalty with your existing customer base.
Why can't a PS3 and a PC version coexist? There is no way to separate matches between PS3 and PC users? Giving the PC users the shaft, was this simply a development cost that you did not want to incur? The whole thing does not make a lot of sense, but then again neither did the quality level of your 1.6 Incursion patch.
Good luck, it will be interesting to see how this turns out for you.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Thanks Kyuss. And our goal is really to extend the EVE universe to a whole new group of gamers, and of course weĘre hoping a great number of EVE Online players also get in on the action in DUST 514.
So, are you releasing DUST on PC soon(tm)? Else I can't see how you can raise such hopes?
Also, DUST514 website is not working, only repeatedly asking me for my age. I don't know, what you mean by that, I don't leave my personal information on every first website I visit. Any of it, no matter the meaning. If you don't want visitors, just say so. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
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Caiman Graystock
Caldari Cornelius Starship and Computer Design
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:30:00 -
[371]
Never going to buy a PS3 after Sony have repeatedly proven they are incapable of managing their networks. No PC, no XBOX? What are you thinking?
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Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Kerfira on 07/06/2011 17:46:29 Summing up the information in that blog: "Dust 514 will be releases more than a year from now on PS3 only..."
That's using a lot of words to say so little...
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Armadous Resurrected
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:50:00 -
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PS3 exclusive is disheartening indeed. Dust is no longer a accessible product to me.
Dust is of course still an exciting development with regards to incorporating PI more fundamentally with core EVE gameplay, not to mention the future implications involving Incarna features.
I however find I cannot mask my feelings of hurt and I admit, some anger. Having been denied access so abruptly to something I was wholly invested in is a hard pill to swallow.
I do hope CCP will take the time to address their reasons in this decision.
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kile Kitmoore Edited by: Kile Kitmoore on 07/06/2011 17:32:03 Tying all your hope and dreams for Dust to the PS3 seems to be a bit short sighted. I am sure you guys are high-fiving and slapping each other on your backsides about your future success with Dust. I can only hope there is at least one person in your organization that is painting some "what if" scenarios. Like what if it does not sell as well you hoped, what if PS3 is in a real decline by summer of 2012, what if after 90 days after release no one is playing Dust anymore. If any of these scenarios come to fruition I can absently guarantee your loyal PC base is going to be back here in droves rubbing your face in it.
If this was your idea for thanking your EVE Online community, this was not it. "Thanks everyone for getting us this far, thus an entirely different group of people will reap those rewards". Call me crazy but I doubt your announcement will instill much loyalty with your existing customer base.
Why can't a PS3 and a PC version coexist? There is no way to separate matches between PS3 and PC users? Giving the PC users the shaft, was this simply a development cost that you did not want to incur? The whole thing does not make a lot of sense, but then again neither did the quality level of your 1.6 Incursion patch.
Good luck, it will be interesting to see how this turns out for you.
Well said.
I do not buy EVE-related stuff such as ship models, t-shirts, etc. But I would have seriously considered putting money into a PC-based FPS game.
PS3 console hardware purchase? Not gonna happen.
Yes, I understand the potential financial gain associated with a console title that was developed with relatively cheap Asian labor and which incorporates micro-transactions. That still doesn't make my personal desire to purchase and play an EVE-related FPS on the PC go away.
Originally by: Higgs Bison How will EVE be affected if Dust is a flop?
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Abulurd Boniface
Gallente Legio Geminatus
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:55:00 -
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Much though I look forward to the deep immersion this expansion is going to offer I cannot help but wonder how two cultures: MMOG gamers and console gamers are going to merge successfully. Are we going to teach them what it feels like to be in EVE? Will they accept that their inventory can go 'poof' without them getting it back? Is CCP not thinking too highly of console gamers?
It's being made so I'm thinking: they figured it all out but I have serious questions for what will happen when the nicer folk among you get your claws into their soft, supple flesh and rip their ambitions together with their egos apart.
The fundamental difference is: they want to shoot people and dominate, we really only want their tears.
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.07 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Originally by: Gereon Valk Can't even get past the "Age Verification" on the Dust514 site. Site only working from a PS3 browser, or how could you even "verify" anything? :P
Just type your age in the box and there you go.
Doesn't work, it reset back to the same "age verification" page. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Sciencegeek deathdealer
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Posted - 2011.06.07 18:19:00 -
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CCP just lost any respect I had for them as a company by releasing it ps3 exclusive. Yet another feature I will never use. Good job with Incarna though!
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Dante Collinus
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Posted - 2011.06.07 18:19:00 -
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YAY DUST 514 ps3 exclusive? what the hell is that all about, did sony offer some cash to 'buy an exclusive' because of all the bad press they are getting? I was intending to pay good money to keep both eve and dust514 running but it looks like im now going to save alot of money....
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EVOXSNES
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Posted - 2011.06.07 18:19:00 -
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ohh this is epically ******ed
I've been looking forward to Dust514... i was instantly hooked at the scope of the concept art and finally the trailers...
I have a 360 i play sometimes which cost me around 400 and im not going to purchase another console which cost more, that i'll play less, with security issues on top of that.
Sooo... Screw Dust514... how about that CCP.
Becasue unless you give me a free PS3 with every copy of Dust i buy. Its back to the mining simulator for me!
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Crom Delt
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Posted - 2011.06.07 18:33:00 -
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I must say I am disappointed. I am NEVER going to buy a console of any type, and was hoping that Dust would be on a PC. As for going with just Sony ( whose history with MMOs is quite dire) only is just small sighted and limiting a huge customer base. Ijust hope when I hire a Merc group to defend my installations they will be there.
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Infinion
Caldari Awesome Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.07 18:51:00 -
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How far will the out-of-pod experience go for pod pilots? Will the out-of-pod experience be designed solely for walking around in different environments or is there still some future possibility for combat and more aggressive activities? How about out-of-pod exploration? Will we one day be able to equip a space suit and enter space without the need for a pod or ship to explore asteroids, moons, destroyed stations, artifacts, etc?
How far will planetary interaction go and where is it going? Was the idea for atmospheric flight scrapped or do you have plans to revisit it?
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fantastic mr fox
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Posted - 2011.06.07 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Wolf Spyder Why is CCP ignoring the other platforms? Limiting DUST to only one platform could wind up hurting CCP or at least cutting their profit down a bit. Every company is allowed to cut their own foot off if they want. I'll still be playing EVE. Let us know when CCP makes DUST universal. I haven't played a good 1st person shooter in a good long time. Now that I am finally off satellite I want to get back in to it. Unfortunately I do not have any plans on buying a new console anytime son. Especially with the economy the way it is.
It's hard enough keeping one build up to date without worrying about two - and consoles are the worst because they have so little in common.
You have to take your pick. 360 or PS3. Not much of a choice really, when one is a walled garden, with spikes. Go search Blizzard's blogs on why they haven't bothered making a console MMO.
As for complaints that it's not on PC, CCP made it clear way back on day 1 that it was going to be a console title. Dust isn't aimed at Eve players - they want Eve players to play Eve, and FPS gamers to play Dust, and the two to form a larger picture.
End of the day, if they'd said it was an Xbox-only title then this forum would be full of PS3 grouches. Can't please everyone.
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Gevlin
Minmatar EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.07 19:45:00 -
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Questions
Will there be a Drone commander ū who plays with a top down view, controlling his multitude of drones in combat? Some being as simple as a camera drone.
Will there be an engineer type guy dropping off sentry cameras and drones for others hiding in a safe place can control.
Will the sky fire array be able to reach the moons? Would be nice to drop off some mercs or hide some merc on a planet till the lines of sovereignty change dramatically,(call them rebels) take over the sky fire station and start taking pot shots at the 64K POS. Lieutenant Commander the rebels have taken over fire base #1 Commander: Crush those rebel scum!
Will the uniforms/armor be colourable?: Fighting black on black may be a challenge especially when Joe runs backwards though the entire fight to make it though the enemy lines. Though the ability to color your armor instantly would be handy in infiltrating the enemy.
Will there be an opportunity for the pacifist suicidal Dust Player. - The guy who likes care bearing in a hostile environment?
- Person is doing the task of ie: surveying a planet by hand to explore best location for installations ū Placing a bonus to structure points of building built, or increase in resource collection.
Only they risk being hot drop by two waring factions who will both think you are the enemy. (or you are working for one side) All you have to defend you self is a electronic Clipboard, Pen Knife and a Mini Electron hand pistol? This may sound stupid but there are plenty of people like my self who like being the Hare in the battle of Wolves. Sorta the reason I like Mining In Null sec. There could be also multiple things I should be able to collect from Dust 514 to be sold for isk in Incarna. Ie rare Flora and Fauna to be used in the construction of unique resources.
I loved playing the role of support in Planet Side ū Running in with the Mobile Spawning Generator, Installing Sensors, Spit Fire Turrets. Running around with my Repair Gun for Tanks and Repair Gun for Armour. Flying the Loadstar = the ship that allowed you to drop off ships in enemy territory and also turned into a mobile repair station. I hope there will be similar tasks. Not having to be in the line of fire, but skirting the edges of the fire line providing support.
One of the things I guess I fell in love with eve was the fact I could do non- combat activities, like mining in combat areas. Activities that didn't provide an immediate effect on the battle but in the long run benefited my corp/Alliance in the long term war effort.
Will there be the opportunity to play the Hostage? If I escape my teams earns isk.
Can I make a duplicate persona of my eve character to be a Dust 514 character so I can role play getting out of the Pod and getting my fingernails dirty?
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NeoNexus DeMortis
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Posted - 2011.06.07 20:05:00 -
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I have to agree with the 100's of others, WTF are you thinking going PSN only? Not that the PS3 or PSN is terrible or blah blah blah, just that sticking to 1 console like this is a terrible move. The argument of "it's better to focus on one console style" is total @(*$@#$@. You just alienated 1000's of potential players, and told them to go f' themselves.
I'd imagine there were plenty of other people like myself, that have friends with 360's, got their friends all hyped up to play in the same universe (since they don't much care for the style of EVE, but love games like Halo, they would have loved Dust), and now we have to tell them they have to yank a F*@(*# load of money out of their ass, to buy a new console to play the damn thing.... I'm sorry, but you are not expanding EVE to the level you think. The PSN exclusivity is going to bite you in the ass, mark my words.
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Dimitri Fukoyama
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Posted - 2011.06.07 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 07/06/2011 20:11:42 Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 07/06/2011 20:10:25
Originally by: fantastic mr fox
As for complaints that it's not on PC, CCP made it clear way back on day 1 that it was going to be a console title. Dust isn't aimed at Eve players - they want Eve players to play Eve, and FPS gamers to play Dust, and the two to form a larger picture.
End of the day, if they'd said it was an Xbox-only title then this forum would be full of PS3 grouches. Can't please everyone.
But here lies the problem: Eve is not fun all the time to most players.
So what to do when youre on a 10 day queue like i am? play another game.
What better way to spend time when youre not playing eve, running around on planets in the Eve universe? Now they force the eve community to either buy a PS3 (which i wont do) or not playing dust. It doesnt matter that they stated it will be console only from the start, because people still think its a bad decision. ADD console players dont have the kind of time investment to be put in a game like dust when the next COD is around the corner. I would have understood a console-only game if it was a standalone EVE title. But to link both worlds, one with ADD console players and one with the more serious long term EVE world is a really bad idea i think. Well see, in the end, who was right.
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Venix
An Eye For An Eye AN EYE F0R AN EYE
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Posted - 2011.06.07 20:18:00 -
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Way to go CCP!! Thanks for screwing all of the people who actually play console games out of your console game!
Needs to be xBox or who cares. Ni4Ni
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.06.07 20:32:00 -
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Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 07/06/2011 20:33:24
Originally by: Abulurd Boniface The fundamental difference is: they want to shoot people and dominate, we really only want their tears.
Do we, though? It seems as though both parties have a lot to gain through cooperation. Dust mercenaries, if that trailer is any indication, will become valuable tools in territorial and naval warfare.
Originally by: Venix Way to go CCP!! Thanks for screwing all of the people who actually play console games out of your console game!
Needs to be xBox or who cares.
You do realize this game could never exist on Xbox Live due to how closed the service is, correct?
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AdZc
Caldari Legio Prima Victrix Imperius Legio Victrix
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Posted - 2011.06.07 20:41:00 -
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I dont normally post on these sorta threads.....
I was looking forward to seeing how CCP would make this work (eveonline/dust games interlinking) i guess still interesting to see...but im severely disappointed in CCP here.
Was looking forward to buying Dust for the 360 but not a chance im buying the PS3/4 for the sake of one game....
Ive been playing for around 4 years, this is the first time CCP made me emorage....
Originally by: Wacktopia
1.In r/l blasters actually hit the target becoz they were made better after the web nerf 2.Minny grls wil do pretty-much anything. 3.Quafe tastes like ass*(I know this becoz of 2. |
fantastic mr fox
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Posted - 2011.06.07 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 07/06/2011 20:26:16
Originally by: fantastic mr fox
As for complaints that it's not on PC, CCP made it clear way back on day 1 that it was going to be a console title. Dust isn't aimed at Eve players - they want Eve players to play Eve, and FPS gamers to play Dust, and the two to form a larger picture.
End of the day, if they'd said it was an Xbox-only title then this forum would be full of PS3 grouches. Can't please everyone.
But here lies the problem: Eve is not fun all the time to most players.
So what to do when youre on a 10 day queue like i am? play another game.
What better way to spend time when youre not playing eve, running around on planets in the Eve universe? Now they force the eve community to either buy a PS3 (which i wont do) or not playing dust. It doesnt matter that they stated it will be console only from the start, because people still think its a bad decision. ADD console players dont have the kind of time investment to be put in a game like dust when the next COD is around the corner.
Also there is the fact that if a community deserves to be able to play eve planets, its the community that funded and paid CCPs salary through the years. Its not a question of entitlement, its a question of CCP must know that fighting it out on planets must have been on the dream list of many eve players and now they only get to do this if they fork out something like 500$ for a ps3 and a game. Its a slap in the face.
I would have understood a console-only game if it was a standalone EVE title. But to link both worlds, one with ADD console players and one with the more serious long term EVE world is a really bad idea i think. Well see, in the end, who was right.
Yeah I hear where you're coming from. It's a bummer, but it's a done deal now - might as well rationalise it and stay sane :)
Personally I won't play it myself as I don't like console FPS games either (like you say, ADD...), but I can understand why they've done it. Tough call, and it might turn out to be a bad one -- consoles have a shelf life, as I'm sure plenty people have pointed out.
Probably would have been wiser to do a time limited exclusive, but hindsight's not usually very useful.
We'll still have World of Darkness. Dunno about you, but I fancy my break-from-Eve-time to be in another universe altogether..:)
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Xtrah
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Posted - 2011.06.07 20:44:00 -
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DUST 514 as a Playstation 3 exclusive. Wow. The reason I started playing EVE in the first place was because of DUST 514 coming to Xbox 360 and PS3 as a First Person Shooter alternative to playing the real game. Now that it's only coming to PS3, I'm really disappointed, and my motivation to continue playing EVE dropped.
DUST 514 was something I was looking forward to. I wonder how many players you'll lose for this. Or in other words, how much money that could've been made out of this lost by making it an exclusive game for PS3 - which is in my oppinion, the worst decision you've ever made.
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TheSpyInCorp
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Posted - 2011.06.07 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Xtrah DUST 514 as a Playstation 3 exclusive. Wow. The reason I started playing EVE in the first place was because of DUST 514 coming to Xbox 360 and PS3 as a First Person Shooter alternative to playing the real game. Now that it's only coming to PS3, I'm really disappointed, and my motivation to continue playing EVE dropped.
DUST 514 was something I was looking forward to. I wonder how many players you'll lose for this. Or in other words, how much money that could've been made out of this lost by making it an exclusive game for PS3 - which is in my oppinion, the worst decision you've ever made.
if you weren't playing eve for eve then that's your own fault HTFU
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Tirelion
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Posted - 2011.06.07 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: Tirelion on 07/06/2011 21:15:08 I have no words to express the dissapointment I feel that Dust has been moved to the PS3.
I have been looking forward to and anticipating the launch of Dust for quite some time. I have a number of friends that I had whipped into a frenzy over the very idea of what Dust is supposed to be, they(and myself) are all XBOX 360 owners/users. The xbox (as it has been said) is a superior FPS platform. You have alienated a core group of players who have been anticipating and waiting for Dust's release for some time. It is a sorry state that you (CCP) felt the need to sell out to Sony on this.
You will find it to be a major mistake as the PS3 is already close to a defunct system, whose FPS following is not as large as the Xbox's. Maybe the worst part is that I feel like I have been lied to and hyped up for something that I will never get the chance to play or use. I will not ever buy a playstation console for anygame and certainly not this one, not after having been lied to about it for so long.
I have been a supporter of CCP among friends and other EvE players who constantly want to bash your decisions, but this time you really are wrong. My faith in you (CCP) has been shaken, and it has made me angry enough to doubt my possible future playing EvE.
You really screwed up this time.
The PS3 is not going to be the platform for Dust that you want it to be. It saddens me to know that Dust was killed before it was ever even launched.
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McChib Ye
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Posted - 2011.06.07 21:27:00 -
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\o/....
Maybe the reasoning behind this move by CCP is prevalant in this thread.....whinging ****box owners who donbt get their own way throw toy out of pram and spam threads.....
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Regat Kozovv
Caldari Alcothology
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Posted - 2011.06.07 21:37:00 -
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The PS3 exclusivity was probably not planned.
CCP kinda got ahead of themselves when they promised a tie-in with the MMO. Only, when they pitched the idea to Microsoft, they got told that it wasn't possible, because Microsoft does not allow any outside communication with Xbox Live. Kinda slams the door on that.
Not to mention, Microsoft already has a slew of space shooters on the Xbox like Gears of War, ahem, Halo. =)
PS3 exclusivity gives some benefits in terms of development support from Sony. I would not be surprised to see if it releases for PC in a year though.
Regardless though, I have a feeling this is going to be a flop. Dust's "compelling feature" is that the battles will mean something, but unless you play the MMO as well, I don't see how they will. Limiting the game to PS3 only is going to cut down on the potential interested player base even more. The game might make up it's development costs in the first few weeks of sales, but I can't envision a whole ton of gain from micro-transactions and MMO subscription conversions with such a small player base. That, and EVE Online isn't going to be terribly fun to the console market (hell, it isn't terribly fun to much of the PC market.)
I think they'll be happy to get this one out the door and onto other things.
What comes next, we'll have to see. I think like EVE, CCP's developers have been more focused on making games that are "different" and in the process, lost sight of what makes games "fun". Hopefully this experience will bring that to light.
Originally by: CCP Atropos THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.
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Nybbas
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.07 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tirelion Edited by: Tirelion on 07/06/2011 21:15:08 I have no words to express the dissapointment I feel that Dust has been moved to the PS3.
I have been looking forward to and anticipating the launch of Dust for quite some time. I have a number of friends that I had whipped into a frenzy over the very idea of what Dust is supposed to be, they(and myself) are all XBOX 360 owners/users. The xbox (as it has been said) is a superior FPS platform. You have alienated a core group of players who have been anticipating and waiting for Dust's release for some time. It is a sorry state that you (CCP) felt the need to sell out to Sony on this.
You will find it to be a major mistake as the PS3 is already close to a defunct system, whose FPS following is not as large as the Xbox's. Maybe the worst part is that I feel like I have been lied to and hyped up for something that I will never get the chance to play or use. I will not ever buy a playstation console for anygame and certainly not this one, not after having been lied to about it for so long.
I have been a supporter of CCP among friends and other EvE players who constantly want to bash your decisions, but this time you really are wrong. My faith in you (CCP) has been shaken, and it has made me angry enough to doubt my possible future playing EvE.
You really screwed up this time.
The PS3 is not going to be the platform for Dust that you want it to be. It saddens me to know that Dust was killed before it was ever even launched.
If you spent 5 minutes browsing the forums, instead of vomitting your uninformed opinion onto them you would find multiple reasons why this is 99% likely microsofts fault, and not CCP's. Don't be a ****.
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General Paul
Atomic Heroes The G0dfathers
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Posted - 2011.06.07 22:20:00 -
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Can anyone explain to me why it isn't also available on pc though?
I mean all eve players own a pc, all eve players should want to dabble in Dust.. it just seems to make sense to me.
Also I don't have a ps3, do have an xbox but my xbox isn't on live so that part of the debate isn't so important to me, but PC ? no ? really?
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Kasidis
Gallente Nexus.6
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Posted - 2011.06.07 22:21:00 -
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The ignorance is strong in this thread. I don't see why people can't understand the fact that 2 years ago, CCP said it wouldn't be for PC. Xbox live can't support this anyway so why would they waste the time. HTFU
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The Fu
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Posted - 2011.06.07 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: The Fu on 07/06/2011 22:50:37 So to everyone who claims that the xbox cant do multiplatform because of microsoft wont let it or whatever. I submit this. Multiplatform Shooter MMO Seems the xbox can play nice with ps3 and pc all at the same time. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.06.07 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: The Fu So to everyone who claims that the xbox cant do multiplatform because of microsoft wont let it or whatever. I submit this. Multiplatform Shooter MMO Seems the xbox can play nice with ps3 and pc all at the same time.
Doesn't say anything about the game being released with that ability, and no mention of getting any special dispensation from MS so likely it's just a tech demo.
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.06.07 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 07/06/2011 23:05:06 Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 07/06/2011 23:04:21
Originally by: The Fu Edited by: The Fu on 07/06/2011 22:50:37 So to everyone who claims that the xbox cant do multiplatform because of microsoft wont let it or whatever. I submit this. Multiplatform Shooter MMO Seems the xbox can play nice with ps3 and pc all at the same time.
Multi-platform is not the issue here. The issue is the EVE-DUST link. The Xbox Live platform simply does not possess the freedom for that kind of connectivity.
Do you guys even read the posts in this thread? This argument has been addressed several times. Being a mod here must be a nightmare if all you guys do is whine.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.07 23:16:00 -
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Edited by: Adunh Slavy on 07/06/2011 23:17:41
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
CCP Shadow: No, it wonĘt be possible to "buy a win". The first DUST 514 dev blog from our Creative Director CCP Praetorian addresses this in greater detail than IĘm able to here: http://www.dust514.com/en/news/article/1980/beginnings
Here's the quote from that link,
"DUST 514 will, as EVE Online does, have a dynamic virtual economy and market that offers the tools that will give you a competitive edge, when used skillfully. Players are able to purchase different gear to equip before deploying into battle, using InterStellar Kredits (ISK), the in-game earned currency of the EVE universe, or through real money currency, called Aurum (AUR). This provides players with flexibility and adaptability in how they approach a combat scenario. Certain items are only available through ISK transactions, while others are only available through AUR. These are then traded freely on a player-driven secondary marketplace."
"Of course, your rivals will aim to do the same, fueling a perpetual arms race between merc outfits, with an expanding range of options available in lockstep with your character's progression. Each side of a given conflict will create character armor and vehicle loadouts with a mix of raw killing power, physical augmentations, and sophisticated electronics. Those choices will factor into your strategy for defeating your opposition."
There is nothing clear there about "buying a win", in fact what I read is, you will need to buy not loosing. The counter argument to the concern about buying a win will be "But with you can buy it with ISK you earn!" So I can buy a Tech4 ship-o-death with PLEX and that's cool with everyone, so long as you can buy one on the market with ISK?
This is a three day old fish.
The Real Space Initiative - V7
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Aethan Epple
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Posted - 2011.06.07 23:24:00 -
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Hi folks.
A problem I have in EVE is that I don't have the skillpoints or the equipment to match up against some of the more advanced players, who have fitted their ships out to the extreme and have 10mil SP's to boost shields, increase targeting, and blow me the hell up.
DUST 514 is something I have anticipated forever. I watched the E3 show from Sony on the edge of my seat.
I am concerned, though, about this "free-to-download" and AURA scheme. It seems like an easy way to weigh the game in the direction of certain players so that I, despite playing an FPS, get schooled by folks who "got the mad lootz".
I don't mind getting my ass handed to me by somebody who did a better job than I in an FPS. But my entire casual-gamer team grabbing their ankles because they didn't fork over 20b ISK for an entire squad to have HARRY POTTER'S CRAZY AMARRIAN BOOMSTICK and Adamantium Wetsuits concerns me.
Can we have assurances that twitch gaming and minimal investment will keep players as competitive as those who pawn their family's jewel sacks?
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Fiona Marquise
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Posted - 2011.06.07 23:26:00 -
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Wow Thanks for back stabbing us CCP, you freaking fail, i will not buy a stupid PS3 just to play dust 514, sheesh after all our loyalty you stab us in the back again, you deny us the PC dust and now you rip off the Xbox 360 players too? Dust 514 will burn for that move.
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Fiona Marquise
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Posted - 2011.06.07 23:29:00 -
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Edited by: Fiona Marquise on 07/06/2011 23:29:21
Originally by: Oberine Noriepa Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 07/06/2011 23:05:06 Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 07/06/2011 23:04:21
Originally by: The Fu Edited by: The Fu on 07/06/2011 22:50:37 So to everyone who claims that the xbox cant do multiplatform because of microsoft wont let it or whatever. I submit this. Multiplatform Shooter MMO Seems the xbox can play nice with ps3 and pc all at the same time.
Multi-platform is not the issue here. The issue is the EVE-DUST link. The Xbox Live platform simply does not possess the freedom for that kind of connectivity.
Do you guys even read the posts in this thread? This argument has been addressed several times. Being a mod here must be a nightmare if all you guys do is whine.
Brilliant, lets all go trust a company that has lost over 100 million users personal credit card information, SEVERAL TIMES, thats such a brilliant and intelligent move, its like shoving your hand in the garbage disposal and turning it on to see if it is working yet.
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Varralee
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Posted - 2011.06.07 23:37:00 -
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FPS on a console is fairly serious fail. Bad move. |
Blue Click
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Posted - 2011.06.07 23:42:00 -
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This is pretty dumb, I own both a ps3 and a 360 and way more people play xbl then PSN. MY guess is ccp is scared to compete with juggernauts like the halo and gears series's so the game must not be worth purchasing.
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.06.07 23:43:00 -
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Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 07/06/2011 23:43:41
Originally by: Fiona Marquise Brilliant, lets all go trust a company that has lost over 100 million users personal credit card information, SEVERAL TIMES, thats such a brilliant and intelligent move, its like shoving your hand in the garbage disposal and turning it on to see if it is working yet.
Please mark where I stated where you should place your trust. Are you delusional, or something? Did you even read my post?
Sure, Sony had shoddy security on numerous fronts, but do you honestly expect such a thing to happen again? The PlayStation Network was hacked ONCE, and Sony has since then beefed up its security appropriately. Any other hacks have been unrelated to the PlayStation Network.
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Fiona Marquise
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Posted - 2011.06.07 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Oberine Noriepa Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 07/06/2011 23:43:41
Originally by: Fiona Marquise Brilliant, lets all go trust a company that has lost over 100 million users personal credit card information, SEVERAL TIMES, thats such a brilliant and intelligent move, its like shoving your hand in the garbage disposal and turning it on to see if it is working yet.
Please mark where I stated where you should place your trust. Are you delusional, or something? Did you even read my post?
Sure, Sony had shoddy security on numerous fronts, but do you honestly expect such a thing to happen again? The PlayStation Network was hacked ONCE, and Sony has since then beefed up its security appropriately. Any other hacks have been unrelated to the PlayStation Network.
There is easily the ability to work out any kinks with the Xbox networks a much large and more active network mind you with butter support and security, the question i shoot back at you, is do you really think sony will spend all that money to beef up security since they didnt in the first place? i think you are the Delusional one, you supporting the choice that makes the least sense, if anything the only sound option was trust their roots and stick to pc.
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Jaror
Caldari Interfector INC. Fade 2 Black
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Posted - 2011.06.08 00:08:00 -
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O my God - why would you choice sony for a online game they cant even run there current servers . guess you dont want my buisness cause i wont play on one - tempted to close my accounts on eve - only been on waiting for dust to hit for my xbox 360 - now i dont have much point to keep playing this game - way to go...
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.06.08 00:14:00 -
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Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 08/06/2011 00:16:11
Originally by: Fiona Marquise There is easily the ability to work out any kinks with the Xbox networks a much large and more active network mind you with butter support and security,
Microsoft isn't going to overhaul their service for one game. Better support? Exactly what are you indicating here? If you're talking about developer support to the extent that CCP requires for Dust 514, then you're obviously in the wrong here, because if that was the case, this game would also be releasing for the Xbox 360.
Quote: the question i shoot back at you, is do you really think sony will spend all that money to beef up security since they didnt in the first place? i think you are the Delusional one, you supporting the choice that makes the least sense, if anything the only sound option was trust their roots and stick to pc.
Uhh yes? You do realize that security is a huge component of Sony's success in both their consumer and personal image, right? Abstaining from establishing proper security would be suicidal for the company. Did you see all of the bad press that was presented when the PlayStation Network was hacked? Do you realize what that information means to shareholders and any sort of future business the company could hope for? Even if you do use the PlayStation Network, you aren't obligated to give them personal financial information. There are pre-paid cards which allow users to allocate funds to their PSN wallet without divulging any critical data.
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The Fu
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Posted - 2011.06.08 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: The Fu So to everyone who claims that the xbox cant do multiplatform because of microsoft wont let it or whatever. I submit this. Multiplatform Shooter MMO Seems the xbox can play nice with ps3 and pc all at the same time.
Doesn't say anything about the game being released with that ability, and no mention of getting any special dispensation from MS so likely it's just a tech demo.
Umm exactly. The tech exists and therefore people can stop excusing ccp on the grounds that it wouldn't work on the 360. I would prefer it on the PC anyway so I could EVE it up and DUST it up at the same time.
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The Fu
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Posted - 2011.06.08 01:27:00 -
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Edited by: The Fu on 08/06/2011 01:30:17
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Gevlin
Minmatar EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.08 01:36:00 -
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Security!
Due to the fact Sony was hack means it will now have the most secure network out there since they have to prove they are secure to all the tinfoil hats out there.... Though it is a mute point since the personal information held by Dust 514 is not held by Sony.
Beside what about the WII! Why can't it come out for the WII! I own a WII. It has Network integration, motion control all that stuff down pat!! The Graphics may not be that wonderful. but I want game play not shinny bald heads.
Trolling aside. I look forward to Dust 514 and will have to pick up a PS3 to play it. It will be nice to be able to pick up a quick game, here and there. Sadly I find the PVP in Eve .... sorta sparatic, but that is in eves design. I prefer to do carebear stuff in Null sec, I want to mine, Just jump to a system in my Rorqual, launch hulk and mine. I feel there is progress there. With Dust 514 - I will be able to do some pew pew, then return to mining. And if I have a scout I might be able to mine Ice and play Dust 514, only pausing in between Ice cycles. For those who are on my team in 514, I appologize in advance as I may go silent all of a sudden as my scout tells me reds are approaching system.
I hope it becomes a solid success.
I also need to appologise for my horrible spelling. here we go again! |
Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.06.08 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: The Fu In what way is multi-platform not the issue? I dont care if it runs on xbox or not I would prefer it on the PC so yeah multi-platform is the issue for me. My only issue is that it is not multi-platform. And please dont bother telling me that they said console only years ago as I dont care about that.
In the post you quoted, I'm addressing why the game isn't on the Xbox 360. Lack of multi-platform presence obviously is an issue with me as well, because I would very much like a PC version in addition to a PS3 version. The more people who are able to play this game, the better.
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McChib Ye
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Posted - 2011.06.08 01:53:00 -
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As i said before,the main reason i can see for them to decide on the PS3,is they had seen this thread happening before E3 came around.
Lots of pi$$box owners up in arms cos they have hacked their way through GOW2,Halo (and all its blizzard-esq sequels) and are now getting sand kicked in their faces because there is no failbox version.
UNLUCKY....
And to the people mentioning the recent security issue with PSN, it happened once,unlike XBL.....How does that old saying go.. Hack me once shame on you, Hack me lots and ill keep coming back for more cos its daddies CC details and a gmail account i cant use.
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Kamila Zanjoahir
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Posted - 2011.06.08 02:28:00 -
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I had Dust 514 on top of my wishlist until this morning. I only have an Xbox360. I can understand the the issues with making it not on the XBOX. I guess I saved myself $60 in a way.
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Ilene D'over
Tax Free Corporation
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Posted - 2011.06.08 03:11:00 -
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Damn, the shear ****headedness of the XBox fanniboys is staggering.
Why can't you winkies get it through your empty skulls that Macro$lut does not allow connections between their closed network and servers not controlled by them. Blame M$, not CCP.
M$ are the evil empire trying to control everything they can. Look how they refuse to face reality and provide support for Blue Ray on the XBox. That way you have to pay through the nose to buy the movie through M$ at jacked up prices (probably close to the cost of buying it in disk form)
I am considering buying a second hand PS3 for this and would be using a keyboard and mouse, not the controller, to play the game, something that I understand is easier to do on a PS3 than an XBox. ===== 100th level Black Liquorice Belt exponent in that great Lancastrian Martial Art of Eckythump.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.08 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sister Megarea *snip* Here are a few points, without the rage:
- Eve customers have been extremely loyal: Adding an expansion to the universe and completely locking them out is disrespectful at best and economically limiting at worst
- FPS games on consoles are notoriously child-like. Auto aim being but one of the diaper-changing concepts
- Console games are notoriously short-lived. With very, very few exceptions, few stay popular more than a few months
- Eve is a massive universe, with enormous possibilities. Expanding the playerbase for Eve ? A Good Thing. Limiting that expansion to an infinitesimally small portion of the consumer market ? Short sighted - and that's being polite.
- Sony is one of the most insecure gaming networks around. You say you "were only aware of the hack" a few days ago: Are you also aware that this was the third hack in six weeks ? It has literally been across the national IT media for ages. You may want to add www.arstechnica.com to your bookmark list.
- Keeping it as a PS3 (or console general) exclusive for a limited time would absolutely make economic sense - We would then buy CCPs argument that they want to expand the playerbase and most of us would happily wait a year while they built up the console playerbase before letting us in to show them how it's done: Making it PS3 exclusive for all time is simply short, short sighted.
- That being said: CCP will see, within a year, the utter silliness not only of going console only, but specifically PS3 only: I think we'll see a PC port sometime after that after the expectations are so catastrophically under-met, but you'll have a lot of players who won't buy it on principle.
*snap*
- CCP doesn't want Eve players playing this new approach at New Eden, they want a different clientele, ie consoles
- So what? Eve Online has no aiming at all you baby
- That is the thing CCP is trying to change here. Give em some slag, Sister Doomsday
- There are millions playing FPS on consoles.. if just 1-2% of those on PS3's will keep playing dust it is successful
- The deal with Sony has been made way before that sunshine. And it's not CCPs fault that MS sucks and doesn't give CCP the freedom they need to bring us the Dust that New Eden warants
- If the thing fails on PS3 you probably might get your shot at it. If there (fingers crossed) will be 50-100k regular players you're shafted
- I hope the PS4 makes it till then and I'm in.
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Sister Megarea
Sisters of Agony
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Posted - 2011.06.08 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: Oberine Noriepa
Sure, Sony had shoddy security on numerous fronts, but do you honestly expect such a thing to happen again? The PlayStation Network was hacked ONCE, and Sony has since then beefed up its security appropriately. Any other hacks have been unrelated to the PlayStation Network.
PlayStation Network hacked, data stolen: how badly is Sony hurt?
Sony PSN hacked - CC info, customer info, PSN account info stolen.
Related: Sony admits utter PSN failure: your personal data has been stolen
Sony hacked again, used to host phishing site
European Sony web server hacked, used for phishing site
Sony hacked yet again, plaintext passwords, e-mails, DOB posted
"Databases used to operate sonypictures.com, sonybmg.nl, and sonybmg.be have been compromised"
And you call this "beefing up security" ?
And CCP wants to tie its name to a company humiliatingly compromised thrice in five weeks ?
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JBrace2
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Posted - 2011.06.08 04:35:00 -
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If you want to make a change, start a petition. Hopefully, with enough signatures, CCP will realize how much money there is to be made by porting to Xbox360 as well.
http://www.change.org/petitions/make-dust514-for-xbox360
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.08 04:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sister Megarea
Originally by: Oberine Noriepa
Sure, Sony had shoddy security on numerous fronts, but do you honestly expect such a thing to happen again? The PlayStation Network was hacked ONCE, and Sony has since then beefed up its security appropriately. Any other hacks have been unrelated to the PlayStation Network.
PlayStation Network hacked, data stolen: how badly is Sony hurt?
Sony PSN hacked - CC info, customer info, PSN account info stolen.
Related: Sony admits utter PSN failure: your personal data has been stolen
Sony hacked again, used to host phishing site
European Sony web server hacked, used for phishing site
Sony hacked yet again, plaintext passwords, e-mails, DOB posted
"Databases used to operate sonypictures.com, sonybmg.nl, and sonybmg.be have been compromised"
And you call this "beefing up security" ?
And CCP wants to tie its name to a company humiliatingly compromised thrice in five weeks ?
that's 3 incidents up there.. 1 for PSN 1 for some webserver the company owns through one of its local subsidaries in europe 1 for the picture service
If you live in a house how many entrances are there for burglary? Sony is freaking big.
PS: My CC has been compromised 2 weeks ago.. some freaks in the UK tried to charge around 600EUR from me. My bank was fast, all back now and I get a new card with better security. How come? Dunno.. only made two purchases on the net with reliable services within the last 6 months, nothing else. Will think thrice in future.
Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody! |
Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.06.08 04:35:00 -
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Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 08/06/2011 04:41:02 Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 08/06/2011 04:40:38 Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 08/06/2011 04:38:23 Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 08/06/2011 04:37:14 Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 08/06/2011 04:36:07
Originally by: Sister Megarea
Originally by: Oberine Noriepa
Sure, Sony had shoddy security on numerous fronts, but do you honestly expect such a thing to happen again? The PlayStation Network was hacked ONCE, and Sony has since then beefed up its security appropriately. Any other hacks have been unrelated to the PlayStation Network.
PlayStation Network hacked, data stolen: how badly is Sony hurt?
Sony PSN hacked - CC info, customer info, PSN account info stolen.
Related: Sony admits utter PSN failure: your personal data has been stolen
Sony hacked again, used to host phishing site
European Sony web server hacked, used for phishing site
Sony hacked yet again, plaintext passwords, e-mails, DOB posted
"Databases used to operate sonypictures.com, sonybmg.nl, and sonybmg.be have been compromised"
And you call this "beefing up security" ?
And CCP wants to tie its name to a company humiliatingly compromised thrice in five weeks ?
You do realize that the other hacks are unrelated to the PlayStation Network, right? Also note that the hacked networks didn't receive any sort of reinforcement whatsoever, but obviously WILL be receiving additional security now that they've been hacked. Are you so naive to think that Sony's network infrastructure is unified? You're really reaching here.
Originally by: JBrace2 If you want to make a change, start a petition. Hopefully, with enough signatures, CCP will realize how much money there is to be made by porting to Xbox360 as well.
http://www.change.org/petitions/make-dust514-for-xbox360
A lack of Dust 514 on the Xbox 360 is not CCP's problem, it's Microsoft's.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.08 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: JBrace2 If you want to make a change, start a petition. Hopefully, with enough signatures, CCP will realize how much money there is to be made by porting to Xbox360 as well.
http://www.change.org/petitions/make-dust514-for-xbox360
Microsoft doesn't allow for the Dust514 you think you might get on XBOX. If CCP makes a Dust for XBOX it will have nothing to do with the persistent Eve you know and definitely fail and die within 2 months.
Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody! |
Kasidis
Gallente Nexus.6
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Posted - 2011.06.08 05:10:00 -
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I feel like jumping off a bridge for how many ignorant hyper-critical ****head people are here. 2 YEARS AGO ccp said it wouldn't be on PC and everyone was fine with it then, so why complain now. It's microsofts fault for not having DUST, you think CCP refused it? Microsoft wanted control over their servers. CCP wants to attract different customers for their new game instead of existing EvE players. If they wanted only EvE players playing it then they would have made it an EvE expansion. HTFU people. Look **** up first before posting.
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Natsett Amuinn
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Posted - 2011.06.08 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Nac MacFeegle
Originally by: CCP Sreegs
Originally by: Nac MacFeegle
And until I see a press release, or a front-page-announced blog entry from someone who matters, I will not be satisified. The clock is ticking, CCP. Do you want the money from the people who are legitimately concerned abot this?
You wound me :(
Sorry Bucky, but until I get public (and I mean PUBLIC) reassurance from the God Emperor of CCP, I'm not going to be satisified. And I don't believe a lot of people will be, either.
You sir, are a very special and unique snowflake. I am certian that all of your friends and family are proud to say they know you.
I own a 360 and a PS3, and I'm glad it's going to be on the PS3. The 360 is a turd. $10 month to play a shooter online? No thanks, can play the exact same game on the PS3; without worrying about burning the console up.
And anyone that thought Dust would be on both the 360 and PS3 is out of their mind. That's two dif. consoles to update, and connect to EVE. It was pretty obvious this was going to be a console exlusive from the get go.
You go CCP. I'm looking forward to playing Dust on my PS3.
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skittles666
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Posted - 2011.06.08 05:49:00 -
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i dont give a ass rat's about dust but im glad ccp made sense and used the playstation 3
far better built games console than the 360 hands down (yes its been proven in many reviewers who have taken both consoles apart :P)
still lets hope sony are kind to ccp on the way they licence it
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Flamespar
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Posted - 2011.06.08 06:32:00 -
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Does anyone else see the irony with whiney Eve online players complaining about having to play with whiney PS3 players?
I for one welcome our new pimply 12 year old console gaming overlords.
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fantastic mr fox
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Posted - 2011.06.08 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: The Fu And please dont bother telling me that they said console only years ago as I dont care about that.
And this, sirs, says it all. "I only care about me".
To think Eve Online has a reputation for having a mature, intelligent player base. Well that's clearly a load of c*cksh*t.
People forgetting that Eve is someone else's business, not their birth-born right. Idiots.
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.06.08 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: fantastic mr fox People forgetting that Eve is someone else's business, not their birth-born right. Idiots.
Indeed. Talk about biting the hand.
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Dorn Val
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Posted - 2011.06.08 07:29:00 -
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First let me say that I'm really quite God smacked at the possibilities presented with linking Eve Online and Dust 514. Best of luck to you all on the project CCP!
My question: I'm amusing that Dust 514 corporations will form alliances and fight for control of systems on the ground in much the same way that Eve Online players do now in space. Will it be possible for Dust players to hire Eve players to provide space based protection and support for their ground war that does not involve war declarations? Here's my concept: A Dust corp / alliance pays for aerial support and the Eve corp or alliance then has the right to shoot anyone that lands on the same grid as the planet (even in high sec). So that aggression is no longer limited to a single corp / alliance, but is location based and sanctioned. Also it would be cool if the location based aggression mechanic is instantaneous, and if it would show up in much the same way that Incursions do now. Maybe have a warning when you enter a system that tells you what planet(s) are "restricted combat areas".
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darmwand
wiremaniacs
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Posted - 2011.06.08 08:33:00 -
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FYI, a rather interesting interview about EVE and Dust.
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Shepard Book
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Posted - 2011.06.08 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout You saw the live stream, now read the words from the man himself: CCP Hellmar's newest dev blog provides additional details about CCP's upcoming title, DUST 514. Learn more about DUST's mercenaries by reading his blog here.
* Read German translation * Read Russian translation
CCP Shadow is answering questions on the PlayStation blog about DUST 514. We will be reposting the questions and answers to this thread to keep you in the loop about DUST 514.
Congrats on being at this stage CCP! I know you have been working long and hard on his venture. I look forward to shooting someone in the face too )
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Kerregan
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Posted - 2011.06.08 11:08:00 -
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Well there goes the EVE Future Vision out of the Window.
Money over Brain thats what this is about. - Console Games have the livespan of a Fly - Shooter on a Console - lol never - Sony: to team up with the most hated Company over all the Internet is rely "clever" - Im a PC Gamer thats why i play EVE, no way i buy a Console - So the Eve Community will go on playing DICE Shooters instead of switching to CCP/Dust51 ... "smart" ...
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.08 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Oberine Noriepa
Originally by: fantastic mr fox People forgetting that Eve is someone else's business, not their birth-born right. Idiots.
Indeed. Talk about biting the hand.
No. This isn't Eve Players moaning because they don't get first priority. This is people with common sense realising the following statement is entirely contradictory:
Restricting it to a single console (Of any kind) is opening it to a wider market. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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Wind's Shadow
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Posted - 2011.06.08 11:19:00 -
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Edited by: Wind''s Shadow on 08/06/2011 11:20:11 Thank you very much CCP for f*cking you clients again.
Oh, you might ask why? Well I will explain.
In one of the news releases you have stated that the game would either be on the Xbox or cross platformed. Being a loyal player, I have actually bought the damn Xbox just because the CCP said the game would be there.
Then you have sort of frozen the project and I thought "well, sooner or later they will make it, so I stick with the Xbox". Now it is a PS3 game. Cool. I have bought the damn Xbox for nothing.
Actually it was me and at least 3 of my friends who did it. Thanks again. Very MUCH.
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Samuel Miner
Caldari Perilous Expedition
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Posted - 2011.06.08 11:24:00 -
[436]
Nail in a DUSTy coffin.
People actually own PS3's 0_o
And they still go online with them? The PSN is actually up again 0_o
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fantastic mr fox
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Posted - 2011.06.08 11:33:00 -
[437]
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Oberine Noriepa
Originally by: fantastic mr fox People forgetting that Eve is someone else's business, not their birth-born right. Idiots.
Indeed. Talk about biting the hand.
No. This isn't Eve Players moaning because they don't get first priority. This is people with common sense realising the following statement is entirely contradictory:
Restricting it to a single console (Of any kind) is opening it to a wider market.
The statement is not contradictory. Adding any platform is adding more users, is growth. If you can't understand that, you're not in a position to dictate common sense. Common sense for CCP is choosing a platform holder that will allow them to make the game they want to make, without concession.
Everyone's an expert, except the experts, who are apparently stupid and brainless. Yet here you are, playing their game still.
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Hawk TT
Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers
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Posted - 2011.06.08 11:41:00 -
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Technically speaking Xbox 360 is not better console. Games developed for both PS3 & Xbox 360 have compromises and look / play worse than console-exclusive titles.
Anyway, you have to blame Microsoft for their stupid policies - they just don't like games that don't use M$ back-end infrastructure...
Originally by: Solomon XI I could go into a vivid discussion on why this it's bull$hit that Dust 514 is going to be an exclusive Playstation game but I'm not going to because I'm absolutely certain it's too damn late for anything to change at this point.
Eve Online runs on a Microsoft backbone to begin with and the Xbox 360 has always been a better "FPS Shooter" platform than the PS3. All you have done is commit us loyal 360 fans to either not playing Dust 514 or spending an obscene amount of money on a new gaming console for a single game.
Why you choose exclusivity with Sony over Microsoft is beyond me. The 360 is a better console. Period.
___________________________________ BECKS
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.08 11:48:00 -
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Hey folks.
A lot of you already know me from when I was solely focused on EVE Online, but some months back I began to shift focus to DUST 514, as the Community Manager for this upcoming game.
Lot of activity in here. I'll try to address the questions and concerns I'm able to here, but let's try to keep it civil.
I can fully appreciate some of the criticism and complaints I'm seeing in this and other threads. I do listen to all of it and, sure, I can relate to some of it. All of these concerns are and will continue to be relayed to those higher in the food chain, as we do on the EVE Community side of things.
I'll speak to what I'm able to here. I'm going to be direct here though - there are some topics I simply cannot discuss and I'm not going to beat around the bush with that -- I am not discussing anything regarding the Business Development side of things. From what I've seen in the EVE-O threads, that means I'm not able to explain contractual details, 'exclusivity', and things of this nature.
I'm not going to elaborate upon the specific game mechanics between EVE Online and DUST 514 that haven't been discussed yet. That's for Game Design and some of the senior people working on DUST 514 to do - and that's slated to happen over the course of the next year leading up to launch.
Incidentally, the official sources of information you can refer to about DUST 514 are:
The official DUST 514 website
And at the official website, I'd recommend you specifically read the dev blog by our Creative Director CCP Praetorian.
The dev blog from CEO of CCP Games Hilmar Petursson, which I should hope you've read anyway if you're in the comments here. But in case you were linked to this discussion thread from somewhere else, this is it.
My blog at PlayStation, which is an introduction for those not familiar with the EVE setting but perhaps has some useful information for EVE Online players as well.
So like I said, I'm going to jump in for a bit here.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.08 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Blane Xero on 08/06/2011 11:52:19
Originally by: fantastic mr fox The statement is not contradictory.
Yes it is. Originally by: fantastic mr fox Common sense for CCP is choosing a platform holder that will allow them to make the game they want to make, without concession.
And that would be the PC, which has none of the limitations of either the PS3 or the Xbox. Funny how that works eh? _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.08 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Wind's Shadow Edited by: Wind''s Shadow on 08/06/2011 11:20:11...
In one of the news releases you have stated that the game would either be on the Xbox or cross platformed. Being a loyal player, I have actually bought the damn Xbox just because the CCP said the game would be there.
Then you have sort of frozen the project and I thought "well, sooner or later they will make it, so I stick with the Xbox". Now it is a PS3 game. Cool. I have bought the damn Xbox for nothing.
Actually it was me and at least 3 of my friends who did it. Thanks again. Very MUCH.
Cite your source.
We have never stated this title would be coming to Xbox 360 in a DUST 514 press release.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.08 11:54:00 -
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CCP Shadow, In your opinion, not asking for iron facts just trying to get a feel of some idea of what is going on in the thinking process, what is the logic behind having no PC release?. I know about the whole "We don't want to compete with ourselfs" and similarly silly notions, but do you have a personal take on it? _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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Malcheus
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I don't have a PS3, so I won't play Dust. Subsequently I will not spend any isk whatsoever on planetary combat, nor will my dreadnought be sighted doing any orbital bombardments and whatnot (especially when there is a risk of some random PS3 player destroying it by winning a half-hour match). I will simply ignore dust alltogether. Too bad, I used to look forward to it.
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.08 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero CCP Shadow, In your opinion, not asking for iron facts just trying to get a feel of some idea of what is going on in the thinking process, what is the logic behind having no PC release?. I know about the whole "We don't want to compete with ourselfs" and similarly silly notions, but do you have a personal take on it?
Hi Blane. Been a while.
Alright. Well this is less of my personal take on things as it is the reasons, although this has already been stated in the past.
Our goal, stated on numerous occasions over the years, is to bring the EVE universe to a wider gaming audience through DUST 514 as a console title. A new platform. Shooters were the ideal way to do this while adding some diversity to how the EVE setting is experienced, rather than finding some way to put EVE Online on a console. Tbh, I have no idea how that would even work in the first place -- not impossible, but certainly very difficult.
So, as an EVE Online player, playing on PC or Mac, some view DUST 514 on console rather than PC as some peculiar lack of focus, etc.
What is being ignored with that criticism is that key thing we've stated time and time again -- we're reaching out to new players, expanding the playerbase actively involved in the EVE universe. Just as we've said all along. On console, as we've said all along. So I'm not sure why this comes as such a surprise to some commenters so far.
PC vs. console, PC vs. Mac, PS3 vs. 360, vanilla vs. chocolate, cats vs. dogs, pirates vs. ninjas. There's no way any single group of people can be expected to see eye to eye about all things. Please note that I'm not making light of these concerns at all - we are paying attention to this- but just stating the reality. Everyone has their preferred platform, everyone has their own preferences.
Some may disagree with CCP's decision, and that is duly noted. That is and will continue to be conveyed to those higher up in the company than me. That's part of my job as Community Manager for DUST 514. I'm not going to stop keeping my finger on the pulse of what people are discussing about DUST 514 (and its connections to EVE Online). I'm not going to stop informing my bosses of what matters to you.
Those who are unhappy about DUST 514 not being on the PC platform may take little comfort from this, but I want you to know this, regardless.
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Posted - 2011.06.08 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero Edited by: Blane Xero on 08/06/2011 11:52:19
Originally by: fantastic mr fox The statement is not contradictory.
Yes it is. Originally by: fantastic mr fox Common sense for CCP is choosing a platform holder that will allow them to make the game they want to make, without concession.
And that would be the PC, which has none of the limitations of either the PS3 or the Xbox. Funny how that works eh?
It's not, but let's digress. Regarding PC, they made it quite clear that they wanted to break into the console demographic - they've chosen the one that will best serve the game and the players. I really do understand why people are disappointed, but nobody should forget that this is their business, their decisions to make and they've managed to keep an MMO flourishing after 8 years, so they're not dumb.
Making games isn't easy, I wish there was a simple way of getting people to understand that but there isn't: people see the end product and think it just appears by magic. Well it doesn't; it's a lot of hard work, and sadly it's a lot of politics too.
It's their call and they made it. Nothing to gain by crying foul because they didn't make the game for platform X.
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.08 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon ... I want to know if the 4 races weapon types and tech would be making an appearance.
Did you see this? I wouldn't count on seeing anything from the Jovian Directorate though.
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.08 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Benilopax
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: REGIS_MARK_V
One more question. When will Dust514.com forums go live?
CCP Shadow:
That will tie in with EVE Gate, but I canĘt provide an ETA on this yet.
My question: What are you doing up at this time of night? Unless you are in Atlanta, or Shanghai...
Hi. I used to listen to your podcast way back when. And I was never even into Industry.
I live in Shanghai. Will be here for quite a while to come. But I also work some crazy hours anyway.
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.08 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ophelia Crotchmore
... To more important issues: Will Dust support Keyboard/Mouse on PS3?
As of when I last inquired about this, the answer was that this is not planned.
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Malcheus
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Posted - 2011.06.08 12:26:00 -
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oh yeah, one thing; will EVE and DUST514 account/subscription/credit card data be on the same server?
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.08 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Oberine Noriepa Also, to what extent will the PlayStation Vita's role play in all of this?
We're not ready to discuss PS Vita or what will be possible through PlayStation Home yet. Sorry.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.08 12:31:00 -
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Edited by: Blane Xero on 08/06/2011 12:32:30
Originally by: CCP Shadow
Originally by: Blane Xero CCP Shadow, In your opinion, not asking for iron facts just trying to get a feel of some idea of what is going on in the thinking process, what is the logic behind having no PC release?. I know about the whole "We don't want to compete with ourselfs" and similarly silly notions, but do you have a personal take on it?
Hi Blane. Been a while.
Alright. Well this is less of my personal take on things as it is the reasons, although this has already been stated in the past.
Our goal, stated on numerous occasions over the years, is to bring the EVE universe to a wider gaming audience through DUST 514 as a console title. A new platform. Shooters were the ideal way to do this while adding some diversity to how the EVE setting is experienced, rather than finding some way to put EVE Online on a console. Tbh, I have no idea how that would even work in the first place -- not impossible, but certainly very difficult.
So, as an EVE Online player, playing on PC or Mac, some view DUST 514 on console rather than PC as some peculiar lack of focus, etc.
What is being ignored with that criticism is that key thing we've stated time and time again -- we're reaching out to new players, expanding the playerbase actively involved in the EVE universe. Just as we've said all along. On console, as we've said all along. So I'm not sure why this comes as such a surprise to some commenters so far.
PC vs. console, PC vs. Mac, PS3 vs. 360, vanilla vs. chocolate, cats vs. dogs, pirates vs. ninjas. There's no way any single group of people can be expected to see eye to eye about all things. Please note that I'm not making light of these concerns at all - we are paying attention to this- but just stating the reality. Everyone has their preferred platform, everyone has their own preferences.
Some may disagree with CCP's decision, and that is duly noted. That is and will continue to be conveyed to those higher up in the company than me. That's part of my job as Community Manager for DUST 514. I'm not going to stop keeping my finger on the pulse of what people are discussing about DUST 514 (and its connections to EVE Online). I'm not going to stop informing my bosses of what matters to you.
Those who are unhappy about DUST 514 not being on the PC platform may take little comfort from this, but I want you to know this, regardless.
I guess I just don't see why it needs to be a console exclusive for you to "widen the market". DUST514 is already going to be an entirely other genre of game - an FPS - and as such It will already appeal to a vastly different sect of gamers than Eve does. I could understand it much more if the PS3 release happened as well as a PC release, be they timed together or the PS3 first or vice versa, but to us onlookers watching this unfold, CCP is now having to justify choosing the PS3 over the 360 to people as the PS3 being more "MMO Friendly" when you're leaving out the most MMO friendly platform to date. It's almost as if you're taking the viewpoint that you have tapped the entire PC gaming vein.
All of this is ignoring the news that the sole intended income stream for you as a business in DUST is microtransactions, something I really can't understand for CCP as a business model when you have so pridefully defended yourself as a company that doesn't charge for expansions. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.08 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Malcheus oh yeah, one thing; will EVE and DUST514 account/subscription/credit card data be on the same server?
No. EVE Online billing info is on CCP's server, not Sony's. Transactions for DUST 514 are handled via the PlayStation Network.
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Capt Lynch
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Originally by: Oberine Noriepa Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 07/06/2011 23:43:41
Originally by: Fiona Marquise Brilliant, lets all go trust a company that has lost over 100 million users personal credit card information, SEVERAL TIMES, thats such a brilliant and intelligent move, its like shoving your hand in the garbage disposal and turning it on to see if it is working yet.
Please mark where I stated where you should place your trust. Are you delusional, or something? Did you even read my post?
Sure, Sony had shoddy security on numerous fronts, but do you honestly expect such a thing to happen again? The PlayStation Network was hacked ONCE, and Sony has since then beefed up its security appropriately. Any other hacks have been unrelated to the PlayStation Network.
Yes...but the other hacks were...in order...their PC gaming site...and a section of their network that was staff only. If they cannot protect their staff only areas...how can they protect your data?
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GeeShizzle MacCloud
Caldari
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Edited by: GeeShizzle MacCloud on 08/06/2011 12:53:34
hey shadow! glad to see ur taking the time to answer question in here... i appreciate theres some things you cannot tell us yet about it.
one of my main questions at the moment is one of unfair advantage.
Q: is CCP/the DUST514 dev team seriously looking into FPS anti-cheat software or some way to curb the age old aimbotters/wallhackers that you tend to get on FPS games? as incentives and possible rewards(if u can call it that) for cheaters will be far greater than any other current FPS game.
Q: will you be coding in a sort of single player boot camp/Quake 3 arena single player style part for players to practice and still enjoy DUST514 when either Sonys network has outages or we have local internet issues?
Q: in terms of eve online/DUST 514's interaction with each others economy, will there actually be a believable level of scale that corresponds with the amount of materials and size of items? For example will there be an absurd situation where a tank requires more m3 of parts/higher cost than a T1 frigate even though the frigate is a bajilion times larger than the tank?
cheers for your time m8! CSM Prop 1 CSM Prop 2 |
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Originally by: Ciar Meara Edited by: Ciar Meara on 07/06/2011 07:59:46
I like it, been looking for a good reason to buy a playstation anyway. Apart from the gaming it is an nice media platform.
Although the security issues are worrying I'd guess that sony recently invested a huge amount of money to make sure this stuff won't happen again, otherwise they'd be finished.
Cross platform seemed to me to be a pipedream, as far as I know XBOX is very restrictive about this. All things considered PS3 is a logical choice.
I look foward to the interaction of rifles versus dreadnaughts. I love the fact that they are writing chronicles for this also!
QUESTION: Will there be an eve themed ps3 package for sale?
Cool.
Yeah, DUST Chronicles will be released, in CCP Remnant's own words, "fortnightly".
If there have been talks about some sort of console, controller, or peripheral branded with the EVE IP (including DUST 514), I've never heard of this. But again, I'm not involved in business development here. Some players brought this idea up at the EVE-DUST Link Roundtable at the last Fanfest and there were some good ideas expressed.
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Originally by: GeeShizzle MacCloud Edited by: GeeShizzle MacCloud on 08/06/2011 12:45:19 hey shadow! glad to see ur taking the time to answer question in here... i appreciate theres some things you cannot tell us yet about it.
one of my main questions at the moment is one of unfair advantage.
Q: is CCP/the DUST514 dev team seriously looking into FPS anti-cheat software or some way to curb the age old aimbotters/wallhackers that you tend to get on FPS games? as incentives and possible rewards(if u can call it that) for cheaters will be far greater than any other current FPS game.
Q: will you be coding in a sort of single player boot camp/Quake 3 arena single player style part for players to practice and still enjoy DUST514 when either Sonys network has outages or you have local internet issues?
Q: in terms of eve online/DUST 514's interaction with each others economy, will there actually be a believable level of scale that corresponds with the amount of materials and size of items? For example will there be an absurd situation where a tank requires more m3 of parts/higher cost than a T1 frigate even though the frigate is a bajilion times larger than the tank?
cheers for your time m8!
Hey, no problem. I meant to get in here last night but it had been a 14 hour day by that point. So, catching up a bit.
Unfortunately, what you said about there being things I cannot discuss yet applies here. Not because it's supersekrit info so much as I'm not someone who can speak about anti-cheating measures built into the game, though of course that's sure to be a question the DUST 514 team will be asked more often as we near launch.
As to the second question, DUST 514 isn't a single player game. It's really all about the online interaction and getting involved with the setting. Much like we don't have an offline version of EVE Online, barring hamster strikes.
The economy questions - and there are really a lot of them I've seen or been asked directly - are ones that will be answered in dev blogs at DUST514.com by our economist working on this title. I don't have an ETA on those as there are a number of topics we'll be addressing in the DUST 514 dev blogs.
Sorry, I wish I had more solid answers to these that I could provide.
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Dongo Lars
Gallente
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I'd like to know more about PS Vita running DUST. I keep running into that but no serious info really. Will it be possible to play on Vita with PS3 players? What I got from E3 it looks like Vita can do a lot of stuff on that front (PS3 compatibility)
Buying PS3 in 2012 isn't really smart for me (just because of DUST for that matter) but this new PSP seems nice ... Carpe Diem ! |
Rakrent Xeres
Psykotic Meat C0NVICTED
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Hm. Putting Dust on the PC would only have two games fighting it out for the same player base. Putting it on the PS3 allows for a whole new demographic, plus I'm assuming the PS hardware is better for the EVE universe's higher end graphic specs. I was starting to worry it wouldn't be a genuine EVE experience - but the rabble rousing in this thread have certainly put that worry to rest. No new feature in EVE is complete without the necessary prerequisite weeping, wailing and the dire predictions of impending disaster.
Planets shoot back? Awesome! I'd better get cracking and skill up on Dreads then, eh? Good luck, fellas!
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.08 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Dongo Lars I'd like to know more about PS Vita running DUST. I keep running into that but no serious info really. Will it be possible to play on Vita with PS3 players? What I got from E3 it looks like Vita can do a lot of stuff on that front (PS3 compatibility)
Buying PS3 in 2012 isn't really smart for me (just because of DUST for that matter) but this new PSP seems nice ...
Dongo, I can't pass along solid details of how PS Vita can add-on to DUST 514. But I do want to clarify that DUST 514 itself isn't designed to be played on PS Vita, the goal there is to have the potential to extend DUST 514 out into the Sony 'ecosystem' beyond the PS3, which includes PS Vita and PlayStation Home.
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.08 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Rakrent Xeres Hm. Putting Dust on the PC would only have two games fighting it out for the same player base. Putting it on the PS3 allows for a whole new demographic, plus I'm assuming the PS hardware is better for the EVE universe's higher end graphic specs. I was starting to worry it wouldn't be a genuine EVE experience - but the rabble rousing in this thread have certainly put that worry to rest. No new feature in EVE is complete without the necessary prerequisite weeping, wailing and the dire predictions of impending disaster.
Planets shoot back? Awesome! I'd better get cracking and skill up on Dreads then, eh? Good luck, fellas!
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GeeShizzle MacCloud
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.08 13:27:00 -
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thanks anyways shadow.. ill just have to keep my eyes on the official webby then! appreciate the speedy response tho! CSM Prop 1 CSM Prop 2 |
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.08 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Oberine Noriepa Regarding the visuals, is there any chance the game will have some color? So far, everything I've seen shows that the game's visual style is very bleak. I'm not expecting rainbows, or anything like that, but not every map has to look like a nuclear wasteland.
Crimson splatters and streaks are colorful, right?
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.08 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: minerdave im not to worried about the fact its a ps3 exclusive, what i am worried about is the controller setup
Can you clarify? You mean remapping/customizing your controls or just referring to using the control pad itself?
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.08 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Originally by: Evelgrivion To all the CCP guys inevitably proclaiming that we're all "Awesome Hating TerroristsÖ," grow up; these criticisms are born as a result of your work, and these points are there to be critical of the work; they're not personal attacks.
No, but I think the bolded bit in your quote is a borderline personal attack, since I've not seen one post from a CCP employee saying anything of the kind.
No one I know here is saying that Evelgrivion. Although I did personally get a few nastygrams on Twitter yesterday. (Screengrabbed for posterity.) |
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The Fu
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Originally by: fantastic mr fox
Originally by: The Fu And please dont bother telling me that they said console only years ago as I dont care about that.
And this, sirs, says it all. "I only care about me".
To think Eve Online has a reputation for having a mature, intelligent player base. Well that's clearly a load of c*cksh*t.
People forgetting that Eve is someone else's business, not their birth-born right. Idiots.
I like it when people claim that, people whose interests don't line up exactly with what is happening, only care about themselves. This was a business decision made by ccp, I don't like it and that makes me selfish? Let's see if that logic works on another company. I like Dr. Pepper, if Pepsi decided that Dr. Pepper was not making them enough money (not operating at a loss mind you just not profitable "enough"). So, Pepsi decides that it will no longer produce Dr. Pepper and will concentrate on Pepsi. By your logic I don't have the right to be upset about something that I like no longer being produced because I am being selfish correct? By this we see that everyone who has ever not liked something that someone or something else has done only cares about themselves. Makes perfect sense. Also I don't recall having actually referred to Eve at all. But consumers of goods/services are a rather major part of a business wouldn't you say? You do understand that in order to have a business, consumers are required? If you alienate the consumer or consumers (a group I mostly proudly call myself a part of), then would you not agree that it will be difficult to continue your business?
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.08 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: fantastic mr fox Can I play my World of Darkness character in Dust514?
There are no vampires in the EVE universe. Only Blood Raiders.
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Posted - 2011.06.08 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: The Fu I like it when people claim that, people whose interests don't line up exactly with what is happening, only care about themselves. This was a business decision made by ccp, I don't like it and that makes me selfish? Let's see if that logic works on another company. I like Dr. Pepper, if Pepsi decided that Dr. Pepper was not making them enough money (not operating at a loss mind you just not profitable "enough"). So, Pepsi decides that it will no longer produce Dr. Pepper and will concentrate on Pepsi. By your logic I don't have the right to be upset about something that I like no longer being produced because I am being selfish correct? By this we see that everyone who has ever not liked something that someone or something else has done only cares about themselves. Makes perfect sense. Also I don't recall having actually referred to Eve at all. But consumers of goods/services are a rather major part of a business wouldn't you say? You do understand that in order to have a business, consumers are required? If you alienate the consumer or consumers (a group I mostly proudly call myself a part of), then would you not agree that it will be difficult to continue your business?
Er, ok, sure.
So, Vampire or Werewolf? (just so I know which side not to choose) :)
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fantastic mr fox
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Posted - 2011.06.08 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Shadow
Originally by: fantastic mr fox Can I play my World of Darkness character in Dust514?
There are no vampires in the EVE universe. Only Blood Raiders.
A quote just before I made another WoD joke - it's too much like coincidence!
Are can flippers not vampires? (I've heard of some vampires too weak to hunt humans)
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The Fu
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Originally by: fantastic mr fox
Originally by: The Fu I like it when people claim that, people whose interests don't line up exactly with what is happening, only care about themselves. This was a business decision made by ccp, I don't like it and that makes me selfish? Let's see if that logic works on another company. I like Dr. Pepper, if Pepsi decided that Dr. Pepper was not making them enough money (not operating at a loss mind you just not profitable "enough"). So, Pepsi decides that it will no longer produce Dr. Pepper and will concentrate on Pepsi. By your logic I don't have the right to be upset about something that I like no longer being produced because I am being selfish correct? By this we see that everyone who has ever not liked something that someone or something else has done only cares about themselves. Makes perfect sense. Also I don't recall having actually referred to Eve at all. But consumers of goods/services are a rather major part of a business wouldn't you say? You do understand that in order to have a business, consumers are required? If you alienate the consumer or consumers (a group I mostly proudly call myself a part of), then would you not agree that it will be difficult to continue your business?
Er, ok, sure.
So, Vampire or Werewolf? (just so I know which side not to choose) :)
No worries there WoD doesn't really interest me that much tbh
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Posted - 2011.06.08 14:30:00 -
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Getting back on topic.
How will Dust514 players interact with players? I hear that EveGate will play a part of that, but looking at the previous Dust514 trailer it suggests there's going to be interaction in stations -- will it be as cool as the trailer? (holograms projected from the surface :)). Mail? Chat? What else can I dig for in a single question...?
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Originally by: darmwand FYI, a rather interesting interview about EVE and Dust.
Thanks for the link and it was a really good read.
Quote: RPS: I get that, and obviously no one can yet prove otherwise, but IĘm sure that your core audience ū even the people whoĘve stopped playing EVE ū it just seems so strange to not offer this to a PC audience. So what is the reason? You were saying about cannibalising from your playerbase, but IĘm sure there are people who would play both, or pick up DUST after having formerly played EVE.
Torfi: It is a different experience though. It is a different means to access the EVE universe.
Thomas: And never say never, of course. Torfi: Sony do have a number policies about how you present the user interface, and how accessible the game is. For us itĘs somewhat healthy, to have those policies in place, because letĘs face it ū EVE is not the most accessible game in the universe. Although we have made great strides to make it more accessible over the years. So the answer is, we feel that working with Sony we can deliver the EVE world to a bigger audience, and partnering with them exclusively makes it a more meaningful relationship.
Thomas: ItĘs certainly a much more beneficial relationship for us. And this is the first time weĘve worked on console, so this is what we need to get our heads down and focused on doing it. And then like everything we do weĘre going to drop it into the hands of the players, into the EVE universe, to see what happens. How do people want to play with this?
It's this responce which pretty much hits it out of the park for me.
Quote: jplayer01 says: 06/08/2011 at 08:41
Wow, it feels like even they arenĘt sure why itĘs a PS3 exclusive. They werenĘt able to deliver any arguments aside from ōdonĘt want to cannibalize existing user baseö, ōitĘs a different experienceö and some bla-bla about focusing on one platform.
ItĘs all a load of bullocks. I, as a PC gamer, would love to take part in the EVE universe. However, EVE Online as it exists now doesnĘt interest me. Now Dust 514, a game I used to be very interested in, is only being released on a console and I wonĘt buy it (I donĘt play FPS on consoles).
I think theyĘve failed to realize that thereĘs a very large potential user base on the PC platform who believe that the EVE universe is a fascinating sandbox ą but who canĘt stand the game itself enough to join it (like me). People who enjoy reading about the game and what happens in it, but arenĘt interested in the kind of gameplay offered in EVE Online (spreadsheets anyone? mining?). I think there are plenty of us who want to jump into the EVE universe who currently arenĘt playing EVE Online.
Additionally, I think itĘs only logical that Dust 514 be released on the PC. Consoles already have very powerful franchises which dominate the scene (CoD, GoW, Halo, etc.) while Dust will be a completely new and unknown contender. On the PC, EVE is a very well-known game ą many have heard about it or even regularly read about the crazy heists, fraud, and betrayal that happen. It has at least some visibility, as well as a sizeable existing user base that can promote the game to non-EVE players. On the console, CCP has none of this. TheyĘre up against entrenched franchises with literally zero name recognition amongst console gamers.
So, CCP, seriously ą what about us?
It's that whole "cannibalizing" the market which bugs me. How many trials convert to sub around here? The game EVE Online is not for everyone, people do like their twitch based/action oriented MMO's. Dust could have been the bridge to those people. Missed opportunity.
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.08 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: fantastic mr fox
Originally by: CCP Shadow
Originally by: fantastic mr fox Can I play my World of Darkness character in Dust514?
There are no vampires in the EVE universe. Only Blood Raiders.
A quote just before I made another WoD joke - it's too much like coincidence!
Are can flippers not vampires? (I've heard of some vampires too weak to hunt humans)
I read your mind. Also, to "Are can flippers not vampires?", I guess my response is that not all parasites are vamps.
Disclaimer: I've flipped some cans myself in the past, but no longer.
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fantastic mr fox
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Posted - 2011.06.08 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Shadow
Originally by: fantastic mr fox
Originally by: CCP Shadow
Originally by: fantastic mr fox Can I play my World of Darkness character in Dust514?
There are no vampires in the EVE universe. Only Blood Raiders.
A quote just before I made another WoD joke - it's too much like coincidence!
Are can flippers not vampires? (I've heard of some vampires too weak to hunt humans)
I read your mind. Also, to "Are can flippers not vampires?", I guess my response is that not all parasites are vamps.
Disclaimer: I've flipped some cans myself in the past, but no longer.
Aha! Well I'm sure if we held an amnesty on can flipping, the thread would have to be locked for fear of bringing the forums down.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.06.08 15:49:00 -
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I've seen Dust mentioned regarding High sec, low sec and 0.0 space... does this mean that wormholes will at least initially be dust-free?
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.08 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ingvar Angst I've seen Dust mentioned regarding High sec, low sec and 0.0 space... does this mean that wormholes will at least initially be dust-free?
To the best of my knowledge, yes.
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Feyde Harkonen
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Posted - 2011.06.08 16:12:00 -
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Well I'm sure all 15 people who who still own a PS3 and play it will make it all worth while to CCP.
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Samuel Miner
Caldari Perilous Expedition
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Posted - 2011.06.08 16:34:00 -
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Being exclusive to the PS3 seems very counter-intuitive to your ultimate goal of bringing more people to EVE. The PS3 is the least popular console from this generation of machines and has had ridiculous security problems as of late. On top of that, their online features have always been the most lack luster.
From what has been said by devs, it seems like there was some complications involving xbox live and how they wanted to you to implement the online side of things. To ignore them and go exclusively with PS3 seems lazy for lack of a better word. Really, could you absolutely not make the game work with xbox live's rules and regs?
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Daniel Cypher
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Posted - 2011.06.08 16:39:00 -
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PS3 Exclusive, what a bummer. My small corp is made up of close friends who all play Battlefield and Back-ops on Xbox. We couldn't wait to start our Merc group in dust.
Sadly it wont happen :( I just happened to have an Xbox and can't justify buying another console for a single game.
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MoonglumX
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Posted - 2011.06.08 17:15:00 -
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I can't wait for Dust. I think putting it on PS3 makes sense, but that's just me.
I do have one question, reading the Dust blog it sounds like EVE-like game complexity will work the same in Dust such as managing fits, finances, and skills. Will Dust still be accessible to people who are used to today's FPS games where you just choose a job, configure your gun, and jump into the fight?
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Lysander Kaldenn
Dead Reckoning.
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Posted - 2011.06.08 17:21:00 -
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CCP will roll the dice on the PS3. If it fails (which, come on it's PS3. It's not like this thing is going to stop getting hacked, it's compromised on the root level for god's sake...) they'll just port the ***** to PC and spend the next 5 years patching it into working the way it supposed too.
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Leovarian Lavitz
Minmatar Eternal Profiteers Santa Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.08 17:29:00 -
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Now that you have released a trailer showing the caldari stuff; put out trailer showing the other races stuff. In rust we trust!
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Hartsock2
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Posted - 2011.06.08 17:38:00 -
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Am I missing something here???
Did I just read that DUST 514 will only come out for CONSOLE!!! I only have three words for that STUPID move, WTF I mean you guys are built from PC and now a shift over to console what bfs. So all this money you make now you really turn the Game into a console, even Here in the dumbest country South Africa it would cost me thousands of rands just to now get a console and then buy DUST.
STUPID CCP!!!
http://landofgamers.blogspot.com/
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Cyberus
Caldari Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.08 17:53:00 -
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Who cares about Dust...... fix damn eve first gready bastards. ===== * Your signature file is broken. Please use one that will display - Fallout |
Jedore Ivo
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Posted - 2011.06.08 17:58:00 -
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I am deeply disappointed. A company that has grown with the computer users. Feels like betrayal to the community.
A console version does not bother me. But the fact that there will be no PC version bothers me very much.
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kxdan
Gallente UK Corp -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.06.08 17:59:00 -
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Playstation only.... is this a joke?! XBL IS MUCH BETA!
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Cordo Draken
ABOS Industrial Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.08 18:50:00 -
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Wow, I can honestly say I have a mix of feelings over this.
Firstly, excitment... It's coming out on PS3, which I have :-).
Second, bummed cause it'll be another year + to wait.
Third, angst for the XBox community, to which I've read is at the short sightedness of Microsoft in not even willing to provide a solution to what could have been an overwhelming profit with an increased draw from the Eve community. A company should never limit it'self. Shame on you Microsoft.
Lastly, confussion... I can understand CCP wanting to tap into the console market, but seeing as the only console system that would cut the deal was Sony, you should not also limit yourselves and thus your effective player base. We've seen in this thread a lot of valid frustrations voiced... Not just spitefullness... So why not, CCP, develop Dust514 for the PC as well? So this thing with Microsoft didn't go as planned... So, you really wanted a seamless merge of two communities, and now the grand vision has become hazy at best... For the love of ALL gamers, don't just push forward with HTFU so blindly... The Alienation of the straining fans who want to play Dust, but now can't due to a single business decision has a very high percentage of backfiring and all these years of developing Dust will become an empty shadow of what it could have been. Release it for PC at the same time as console, even if it's delayed another year. Do what's best for your community that you know wants it already. It can still be a great co-existence of console and PC worlds... Who cares if PC players may have an edge with controls... The door will be open and can swing both ways freely.
TLDR: Don't shut the door on your current Fanbase CCP, it will most likely backfire. -----
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GeeShizzle MacCloud
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.08 19:24:00 -
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i would have to presume that CCP signed an exclusivity deal to get additional funds and expertise on their team from Sony about how to best streamline DUST514's development and get it to the e-store asap without loosing quality or gameplay.
getting those plus points u have to give something back.. so yahh DUST514 may be a PS3 exclusive but im sure after the exclusivity period expires u will see it on other consoles and possibly PC.
its just how business deals work unfortunately! CSM Prop 1 CSM Prop 2 |
Raigir
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.08 19:32:00 -
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Edited by: Raigir on 08/06/2011 19:32:33 What a major disappointment being PS3 only. There goes my possibilty of playing Dust514. I can not justify a buying a ps3 one way or another. I can however say that I guess they probably achieved one thing by doing this: They now seperated probably the majority of the eve community from buying dust probably. I am willing to bet that aside from whether it could be on the PC or not, most eve players will more likely own an xbox 360 on the side rather than a ps3. Did you intend to split the 2 games' communities like so?
All in all, epic looking game, but won't ever get it if it stays exclusive to ps3.
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Kent Reeves
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Posted - 2011.06.08 19:40:00 -
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Dust on PS3 and PSN? That's great!
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McStab Ye
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Posted - 2011.06.08 19:46:00 -
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Maybe this needs to be linked in C&P,or maybe not, the amount of tears flowing would flood the channel.
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Oche Firestar
Silent Knight Industries - Virtual Tech
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Posted - 2011.06.08 20:27:00 -
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Something to think about - current market research shows that 1 unhappy customer is equal to 67 lost referrals to your product. Doing some math potential for 20 MILLION lost referrals if a very large percentage of the Eve subscriber base is unhappy about something.
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Darth Vapour
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Posted - 2011.06.08 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Oche Firestar
Something to think about - current market research shows that 1 unhappy customer is equal to 67 lost referrals to your product. Doing some math potential for 20 MILLION lost referrals if a very large percentage of the Eve subscriber base is unhappy about something.
CCP, please don't make DUST for the x-box, I don't think the server can handle the 20 million new players this is guaranteed (by Market Research !) to produce.
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Tivorian
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Posted - 2011.06.08 20:43:00 -
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I am disappointed about DUST 514 going to PS exclusively. It would have been really nice if it was offered to both platforms. I was looking forward to it, ah well. Good luck CCP with your game.
Tiv
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McChib Ye
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Posted - 2011.06.08 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: Oche Firestar
Something to think about - current market research shows that satisfying 1 unhappy xbox customer is equal to losing 67 IQ points of your total customer base. Doing some math potential for 20 MILLION lost IQ points over the Eve subscriber base is saved from becoming mindless zombies.
Fixed it for you and thank you for your consideration of the eve playerbase.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.08 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: Adunh Slavy on 08/06/2011 21:23:10
Originally by: Della Monk
Also, am I the only one who thought those isk amounts were on the crazy side of things? Just one of those things cost more than a good number of ships.
Yes the numbers did seem large on some things. If there is a planet gun with a DD on it, it should have a cost similar to a titan, perhaps not as mobile, but one shot pew-pewing a dread should be expensive.
The Funny numbers were for things carried by an individual DustBunny. One item cost as much as a frigate. Lore wise that is silly but playability wise it makes sense, it keeps the economies more in balance in ISK vrs Time terms. If a DustBunny needs about the same amount of time and effort to accomplish a "level one DustBunny Mission", then having to have 300,000 ISK or so worth of DustBunny equipment would be reasonable.
Lore wise DustBunnies probably should not be considered grunts anyway, so much as "elite" mercenary types. Ex-Special Forces, Ex-Police/Swat etc all plugged into the clone system pod pilots use.
At least a 300,000 ISK flak jacket makes more sense than a 300,000 ISK hat.
The Real Space Initiative - V7
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Momento Mori Huunuras
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Posted - 2011.06.08 21:24:00 -
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Not the happiest person about it being PS3 exclusive but it gives me another reason to buy a PS3(the only other being Gran Tourismo).
Just make sure you get some play time on Planetside in to get an idea of what to do and not do in a persistant shooter and also just how Sony can kill just about any IP it touches.
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Reten Kip
Everset Dropbears
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Posted - 2011.06.08 21:40:00 -
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I saw in one of the interview links that someone posted that DUST will run on Tranquility.
How will this impact the already soul-crushing lag that lives on Tranquility?
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Gevlin
Minmatar EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.08 21:41:00 -
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In 2009 the Dust 514 was introduced at Fan Fest it was later mention by some that Dust 514 was going to run on the Unreal Engine 3-
Since we are still at Alpha and over a year and a half later, Did the original demo seen at Fan fest 2009 get sc****d and a new version is being built using CARBON(tm)? Much like the original Walking in Stations?
Is it a case of needing an AWSOME base to stand on in order to build an AWSOME game?
If that is the case will the Dust 514 Game be a testing grounds for the eventual Combat, that many people want, in Incarna?
I guess the best answer I am going to get is: "Could be..."
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Cordo Draken
ABOS Industrial Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.08 22:59:00 -
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I just had another thought, all the demos of Dust we've seen thus far... Were they not being played on PCs? In one vid there was a question, "Now these are all npcs you're fighting?" and was replied, "No, these are all live players." So, it stands to reason, Dust would be finished PC wise before it's converted to console... Am I right? So, there's really no reason why it couldn't be, other than maybe the exclusitivity rights... But is that console exclusive, or does that include PC as well since it is a different platform. -----
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Stark Thunder
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2011.06.09 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: Stark Thunder on 09/06/2011 01:43:10 In this article http://playstationlifestyle.net/2011/06/07/dust-514-for-ps3-to-be-free-to-play-online/ "According to the community manager of Dust 514, James Egan, there will be no monthly fee for the up-and-coming PS3 MMO that will also be compatible with the PlayStation Vista" That seams to imply that dust wil be on the PSV(the PSP replacment) too
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Kasidis
Gallente Nexus.6
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Posted - 2011.06.09 03:39:00 -
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Well if you read this CCP, I will let you know that on all the other websites/forums I have been reading there are alot of people that are looking forward to DUST. Many of them have never even heard of EvE. So I wouldn't worry about DUST being a flop. EvE players are just natural trolls, but that is why you love us
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.09 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kasidis Well if you read this CCP, I will let you know that on all the other websites/forums I have been reading there are alot of people that are looking forward to DUST. Many of them have never even heard of EvE. So I wouldn't worry about DUST being a flop. EvE players are just natural trolls, but that is why you love us
Thanks Kasidis.
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.09 04:33:00 -
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Originally by: Stark Thunder Edited by: Stark Thunder on 09/06/2011 01:43:10 In this article http://playstationlifestyle.net/2011/06/07/dust-514-for-ps3-to-be-free-to-play-online/ "According to the community manager of Dust 514, James Egan, there will be no monthly fee for the up-and-coming PS3 MMO that will also be compatible with the PlayStation Vista" That seams to imply that dust wil be on the PSV(the PSP replacment) too
Perhaps better to think of it less as "on PS Vita" as there being some (optional) extensions of DUST 514 into the PlayStation ecosystem, so that would also include PlayStation Home. More info on this to come SOON.
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.09 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: Leovarian Lavitz Now that you have released a trailer showing the caldari stuff; put out trailer showing the other races stuff. In rust we trust!
Despite the jokes I make about them, I'm a Minmatar fan myself.
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.09 04:37:00 -
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Originally by: Momento Mori Huunuras Not the happiest person about it being PS3 exclusive but it gives me another reason to buy a PS3(the only other being Gran Tourismo).
Just make sure you get some play time on Planetside in to get an idea of what to do and not do in a persistant shooter and also just how Sony can kill just about any IP it touches.
Hi Momento,
FYI - The DUST 514 intellectual property is CCP's. CCP is publisher, developer, and owner of DUST 514.
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.09 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: MoonglumX I can't wait for Dust. I think putting it on PS3 makes sense, but that's just me.
I do have one question, reading the Dust blog it sounds like EVE-like game complexity will work the same in Dust such as managing fits, finances, and skills. Will Dust still be accessible to people who are used to today's FPS games where you just choose a job, configure your gun, and jump into the fight?
Our goal there is to provide a really visceral shooter experience, but give people the tools to loadout in different ways, bring more tactical aspects to their gameplay. You can just hop in, run and gun with a standard loadout, but the possibilities are there for more varied loadouts and tactics if players want this.
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Leovarian Lavitz
Minmatar Eternal Profiteers Santa Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.09 04:50:00 -
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Is a Dust Alliance Tournament on your radar? I personally believe that this has the potential to be hugely popular with non-players to watch.
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.09 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Leovarian Lavitz Is a Dust Alliance Tournament on your radar? I personally believe that this has the potential to be hugely popular with non-players to watch.
That is certainly an interesting possibility.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation
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Posted - 2011.06.09 06:30:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 09/06/2011 06:31:46 Oh sure I'm gonna rush right off to buy a new PS3 and Game only to have my credit card ripped off and get told to eff off for 2 to 3 weeks straight while everyone points and laughs at me.
And to top that off... Sony gets hit yet again on their music/movie servers and their entire effing DB is exposed to the whole damn planet.
This is CCP folks.... smart...brilliant...and quite stupid.
Please tell me you guys actually thought this through right? At least open the bloody game up to Xbox... I might even buy one...at least it won't cost me half a freaking grand just to get the system (properly kitted). A PC would be better honestly! ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
Leovarian Lavitz
Minmatar Eternal Profiteers Santa Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.09 07:07:00 -
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The prices in the video, are they the estimated prices for the materials required to construct the items via the mcc or the price for the BPC or some combination of both?
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Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.06.09 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Shadow
Originally by: Rakrent Xeres Hm. Putting Dust on the PC would only have two games fighting it out for the same player base. Putting it on the PS3 allows for a whole new demographic, plus I'm assuming the PS hardware is better for the EVE universe's higher end graphic specs. I was starting to worry it wouldn't be a genuine EVE experience - but the rabble rousing in this thread have certainly put that worry to rest. No new feature in EVE is complete without the necessary prerequisite weeping, wailing and the dire predictions of impending disaster.
Planets shoot back? Awesome! I'd better get cracking and skill up on Dreads then, eh? Good luck, fellas!
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I don't really agree with this assessment; DUST doesn't (or it better not) displace EVE Online's gameplay. I think EVE Online, and in turn, CCP, would benefit from having DUST 514 on both the PC and the PS3 at some point in the future.
The degree of overlap EVE ends up having with DUST is a matter of concern to me. I have no real issue or vice with DUST's model as an MT oriented, Free-to-play game. However, if MT starts being a factor for buying DUST mercenaries and affecting Flying in Space in the process, it can deleteriously upset the mechanics of EVE Online's sandbox gameplay.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.09 09:14:00 -
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Edited by: Tres Farmer on 09/06/2011 09:18:36 @CCP Shadow
- How many Dust characters does a Dust account have? 1, 2 or 3 like Eve?
- In the teaser had been out-of-map weapons, any details you could give about their control (who, how, when)?
- What is meant with "split markets" for Eve/Dust?
- Will Eve players be able to follow the battle on the surface in real time? (any life feed of data planned that could be rendered in Eve Online, something like the map the Dust commander has maybe?)
- When will Eves Planetary Interaction be touched again, as it obviously misses some links/features to work with Dust? (any team preparing something?)
- Will dusties be part of Factional Warfare?
- Will dusties be able to start in the pirate factions or convert to them?
- Will we see the Warbarges in Space in Eve Online?
- How safe (before dusties) are low sec planets with PI structures on them and for how long?
- How do dusties sell their PI stuff? (their game is supposed to be stand alone in worst case, so how do they get the stuff from planet A in system X to planet B in system Y?)
- What is the difference between Dust gear available for ISK vs. the gear that's only available for AUR? (what distinguishes them?)
- Will there be dust character transfers available? (in conjunction with free2play and a skillsystem comparable to Eves I guess there will be plenty of accounts that just create chars?)
- Any plans for dusties fighting in space? (npc station/outpost comes to mind as setting/environment, especially in the light of factional warfare/nullsec sov)
- How fast can a Warbarge travel (let's say for example, how long would it take to relocate it from Jita to Dodixie?)
- How many dusties fit into a Warbarge?
- Will dust soldiers do boosters? (will they even be able to tie into their production, as I remember reading some chronicle/short story about planetary drug labs/farms?)
- How many battles can there be on a single planet at the same time? (any restrictions known?)
- Can dusties smuggle drugs in their Warbarges without Customs holding them accountable? (ie. how sandboxy is the cargobay of the Warbarge? What fits inside it?)
- How do you avoid Eves PI to relocate to w-space/high-sec to stay safe from interference from dust?
- What is your metric for active dust-accounts? (changed skill? was online in corp hq for 15min? attended one match? played x hours this week? purchased something with AUR?)
phew.. yellow marked ones are most important.. any other answer is a bonus. Thanks!
PS: any new devblog for Dust in the pipe already? Would you know the title?
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knobber Jobbler
Holding Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.09 09:22:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Shadow
What is being ignored with that criticism is that key thing we've stated time and time again -- we're reaching out to new players, expanding the playerbase actively involved in the EVE universe. Just as we've said all along. On console, as we've said all along. So I'm not sure why this comes as such a surprise to some commenters so far.
Its not ignored, its confusing...think of all the PC players of COD, BF, TF2, CS:S etc that play those games in a die hard fashion. Think of all the Xbox players who play COD, Halo, BF etc. I'm sure that combination is far larger than any potential PS3 FPS market, individually those platforms as a potential player base is probably larger.
That mixed with the extremely poor online platform that PSN is and the attachment rates for FPS games for PS3 (shooters always sell better on 360)...that is the is the surprise. It's almost like no one at CCP has any industry knowledge of consoles when they made the decision.
And before you counter with something about PS Home or PSN being great, I've worked with various Sony companies and developers and frankly Home is bug filled rubbish that no one uses and PSN isn't even half the platform XBL is.
I guess CCP isn't going to release it on PC or 360 but at least do this, don't bugger up EVE in the process of releasing something that has a high chance of failure. Remember who your customers were, are and will be in the future and who provides your bread and butter. And remember, we're customers ;) Important word that.
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.09 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Hayaishi CCP dare to be bold. And with their first break into the console market, They're being very bold indeed. And they will do great.
I'm not sure 'bold' is the right word. I was more thinking along the lines of 'sell-out to the console market.' They're not alone in that, of course; VALVe is doing the same thing. They all are. So I'm not even sure I can blame 'em... but I'm doing it anyway. --
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Zey Nadar
Gallente Unknown Soldiers Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.09 12:01:00 -
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Im looking forward to this. Not only because I own the three major consoles, but because this interaction seems very interesting. I hope Dust is a success. It being free DL and free to play will certainly bring lot more people to it. Good thing it isnt XBL game, even though Sony is.. not the best partner.
ps. There are many comments in this thread that make me ashamed Im inhabiting the same planet as the writers of those.
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Pharon Reichter
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.09 13:08:00 -
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All of those blaming microsoft and XBL are just making assumptions. We have no official response on this aside the fact that CCP sees PS3/PSN more "MMO friendly". This is hardly a serious reason.
As some other users pointed other games managed to make ps3/xbox/PC interact and this means it can be done. Weather or not CCP saw enough reason to make the effort is a different question. We are here to let them know that they SHOULD do this effort.
As for all the ***got PS3 fanboys out there try to understand with your little reasoning that you might have left that owning a PS3 does not make you any better than any other potential customer. Aside from that limiting the player base isnt going to help anyone and XBOX owners are not likeley to switch consoles just for one game no matter how attractive that is. If anything then as a protest for such a bad decision.
As far as CCP saying that it will be availabe for multiple consoles here's the link: Press anouncement
Quote: The primary gameplay of DUST 514 features brutal ground combat that takes place on the surface of planets from EVE, delivering the visceral, adrenaline-fueled experience of futuristic firefights. Developed for the current generation of consoles, DUST 514 combines equal parts battlefield reflexes and strategic planning, giving commanders and ground infantry real-time configurable weapons and modular vehicles to manage dynamic battlefield conditions.
I dont see there "developed for a console that we will later choose". I know it has the chance of a snowball in hell but would be nice if you would accept you made a mistake and changed your mind.
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Esabab
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Posted - 2011.06.09 13:17:00 -
[517]
Oh great on PS3 and not PC or XBox...guess I'll never be playing that game.
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.09 13:55:00 -
[518]
Originally by: Tres Farmer Edited by: Tres Farmer on 09/06/2011 09:18:36 @CCP Shadow
... Wow.
PS: any new devblog for Dust in the pipe already? Would you know the title?
Hi Tres Farmer. You might've missed this earlier in the thread, but when I hopped in here I said that I cannot discuss the specifics of game mechanics. And damn, those are some very specific questions.
Some great ones too. One of which we were just discussing this afternoon. But these are the sorts of things that will be revealed in the year leading up to launch by the people who are actually creating the game, the ones who've designed these systems and their connections with EVE Online. It's not just a matter of stealing thunder from my colleagues... I don't know the answers to a few of those. Especially #18.
Sorry man. I'm really only able to speak about the game in a very broad sense. More details are being revealed by our producers, our creative director, and others at E3. We're listing media coverage in this sticky thread here.
Though about the P.S. part. Yes, there will always be a dev blog or two in the pipeline. I do know the next one but it's a surprise.
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Taiwanistan
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Posted - 2011.06.09 14:06:00 -
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well CCP given your track record of poor quality assurance and releasing stuff that is not ready and bug-free. how are you going to patch a console game that is borked, i sincerely hope you get DUST right like the patch today went through without problems and delays, and not let it become a blackhole of a loss that drag down EVE with it
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Leovarian Lavitz
Minmatar Eternal Profiteers Santa Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.09 14:19:00 -
[520]
"There will be 10 Vehicle Classes, 8 at release, for the Gallente, Minmatar, Caldari, and Amarr making 40 vehicles in total, 36 at release."
Are you guys still doing that?
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.06.09 14:20:00 -
[521]
Is there any current thoughts on allowing dust-bunnies into space to visit the stations and take part in Incarna related items, such as the shops, etc.? Will dust bunnies be able to spend their isk (or whatever currency) in our shops, buying our stuff?
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Logan LaMort
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.09 14:21:00 -
[522]
Originally by: CCP Shadow Though about the P.S. part. Yes, there will always be a dev blog or two in the pipeline. I do know the next one but it's a surprise.
The PS3 exclusivity was a surprise, anything after that is now just mild eyebrow raising
P.S So I take it there are significant plans to update PI and planets in general to something worth fighting over? Broad question for a broad answer
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.09 14:27:00 -
[523]
Originally by: CCP Shadow *snip* Hi Tres Farmer. You might've missed this earlier in the thread, but when I hopped in here I said that I cannot discuss the specifics of game mechanics. And damn, those are some very specific questions.
No, didn't miss that one.. tried to be as unspecific as possible. Specific questions imho would had been stuff like: How many slots does the armor suit have or What is the range of those rifles or How many dusties fit into those field hoppers or What structures can dusties build, etc. pp.
Two of the yellow ones touch conceptual designs that by now should be somewhat 'finalised' and pretty broad. Especially as those points get brought up in the interviews/dev blog without further explanation:
- What is meant with 'split markets' for Eve/Dust?
ISK vs. AUR or Dust ISK vs Eve ISK?
- What is the difference between Dust gear available for ISK vs. the gear that's only available for AUR? (what distinguishes them?)
more powerful or just different but balanced?
Originally by: CCP Shadow Some great ones too. One of which we were just discussing this afternoon. But these are the sorts of things that will be revealed in the year leading up to launch by the people who are actually creating the game, the ones who've designed these systems and their connections with EVE Online. It's not just a matter of stealing thunder tears and nerdrage from my colleagues... I don't know the answers to a few of those. Especially #18.
FYP
K, than maybe some explanation.. the article in the WSJ said:
Originally by: Wall Street Journal *snip* At the end of the demo, a ground-based energy weapon destroys a spacecraft in orbit. ōThatĘs just for show,ö said Atli Mßr Sveinsson, creative director at CCP. Dust 514 is an MMO hybrid so doesnĘt allow Dust players to fully move in and out of the EVE universe yet. But being able to destroy a ship in orbit is the kind of interactivity that CCP is striving for. For now, Dust players can communicate and strike agreements with EVE players and the outcomes of battles can influence the global balance of power. *snap*
What has shooting a target in orbit to do with 'fully moving in and out of Eve', please? The feature itself seems to be further down the road though.. damn
Originally by: CCP Shadow Sorry man. I'm really only able to speak about the game in a very broad sense. More details are being revealed by our producers, our creative director, and others at E3. We're listing media coverage in this sticky thread here.
Though about the P.S. part. Yes, there will always be a dev blog or two in the pipeline. I do know the next one but it's a surprise.
Thanks for the sticky. It's very helpfull, didn't see the WSJ one. You might actually want a collection of that stuff for your dust514.com site after E3 is through, looks a bit empty atmo.
& I l-o-v-e surprises.
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Zulf BesGUowy
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Posted - 2011.06.09 16:08:00 -
[524]
Edited by: Zulf BesGUowy on 09/06/2011 16:11:54 Why PS3? This console got black future... First low security mechanic by SONY, meny players are disapointed, second thing after 2-3 years developers add new console to market like new Playstation platform or new xbox so you CCP have to create new design for new hardware after 2-3 year meny people swich own old stuf like ps3 to better model, anyway i wish you all best CCP with DUST, i have no idea about marketing strategy maybe im wrong but this is my dark vision and i have bad feeling about this.
Ps.Sorry for my primitive english.
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Strovinksi Alexander
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Posted - 2011.06.09 16:17:00 -
[525]
I was very excited about Dust514 coming out... but I refuse to purchase a PS3. It is by far not the market leader and a waste of money for games I don't even want. I have about 25 other friend I have convinced to buy the game that don't even play Eve let alone the ones that do play eve.
Please keep this on Xbox360 or make it for both... but not exclusively for PS3. Please go with Xbox 360
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knobber Jobbler
Holding Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.09 16:33:00 -
[526]
Originally by: Pharon Reichter Edited by: Pharon Reichter on 09/06/2011 13:22:07 All of those blaming microsoft and XBL are just making assumptions.
Assumptions based on not knowing anything about TRC's for either M$ of $ony. It is a little easier to get a game on PS3 because $ony are more relaxed about requirements. On the other hand this has a negative impact on consumers. $ony's patch process also takes as long as 12 weeks which could be fatal for a bugged release; and if you're not first party $ony or a major cash cow this is a problem.
Also M$ has release cross platform games before and had games issue free content. Generally many of the responses here are from fanboys and people who know not very much about the games industry.
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MechaMouse
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Posted - 2011.06.09 18:15:00 -
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Edited by: MechaMouse on 09/06/2011 18:24:20
Not sure if this has been posted already, but CCP gave their reasons for going PS3 here: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2011/06/08/ccp-sony-was-more-open-to-dust-514/
I don't have a PS3, so I am disappointed this wont be a cheap buy for me. That said the reasons given seem totally valid. This is an unprecedented game. It will be hard enough to meet their goals with Sony's more open network. My take is that CCP is telling the truth, they are open to both consoles, but sony was easier to work with. Note that when CCP announced ps3 exclusivity, they showed a MUCH more ambitious EVE integration than what we saw in 2009, when dust was for "current generation consoles". I don't blame them for dropping a platform in exchange for "one world one war"
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Leovarian Lavitz
Minmatar Eternal Profiteers Santa Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.09 18:52:00 -
[528]
Edited by: Leovarian Lavitz on 09/06/2011 18:56:08 Are Dust battles against incursions on your radar? I think it would be epic to have incursion sites spawn around planets, with a fleet fighting them there and dust marines on the ground rescuing the civilians while taking out the incursion's drop ships, interference arrays etc.
EDIT: Imagine, you and your squad are dashing along, and in the distance you see several sansha dropships with their tractor beams pulling helpless civilians into their bays, sweeping right and left. Your suit protects you from the harmful pathogens in use as you attempt to deploy jammers to break the tractor's lock or shoot down the drop ships.
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Momento Mori Huunuras
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Posted - 2011.06.09 19:02:00 -
[529]
Edited by: Momento Mori Huunuras on 09/06/2011 19:06:30
Originally by: CCP Shadow
Originally by: Momento Mori Huunuras Not the happiest person about it being PS3 exclusive but it gives me another reason to buy a PS3(the only other being Gran Tourismo).
Just make sure you get some play time on Planetside in to get an idea of what to do and not do in a persistant shooter and also just how Sony can kill just about any IP it touches.
Hi Momento,
FYI - The DUST 514 intellectual property is CCP's. CCP is publisher, developer, and owner of DUST 514.
Though true its pretty hard to imagine anyone turning a Star Wars into a steaming pile and they succeeded in glorious fashion!
If you return me to the days of 300 vs 300 persistent shooter battles from Planetside I will name my first child after you.
EDIT: First child naming rights also reside in my gaining access to the beta.
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Momento Mori Huunuras
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Posted - 2011.06.09 19:36:00 -
[530]
Also, please allow us to fight like a real military force would just like PS allowed us to do. Just because the goal is to take a facility on a certain planet doesn't mean that attacking other planets and facilities doesn't help meet that strategic objective.
Plus it wouldn't be EVE if we couldn't get behind enemy lines and grief our enemy or whoever we feel like!
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Ghostfire
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Posted - 2011.06.09 19:42:00 -
[531]
PS3 Sucks ... won't be playing.
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Cordo Draken
ABOS Industrial Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.06.09 20:35:00 -
[532]
Thank you Shadow for being responsive to this thread... Very helpful and a nice change...
Regarding the vehicles in Dust... I think I heard there was a plan to have some 80 different vehicles in Dust! Now is that 80 completely unique vehicles? Or is it more like 20 unique vehicles per Race?
Also, please tell me you guys are developing some style(s) of Mechs in Dust warfare (i.e. Such like Battlefield 2142)?
Are you guys making it a destructible environment?
And please tell me that some form of fighter (jet/hov/chopper style) will have a pilot/gunner & gunner position?
I'm eager to hear these cause they've been some of the most popular (imo) in FPS future style combat enhancements. Because, tbh, just having a buggy and a tank... Is rather mundane and overdone. I really want to see some unique warmachine designs that should be possible in an Eve universe.
Com'on, give us something to salivate over. -----
Whoever said, "You only get one shot to make a good impression," was utterly wrong. I've made plenty of great impressions with my Autocannons. |
Khoard
Minmatar Big Box
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Posted - 2011.06.09 20:57:00 -
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I don't play console games. What a shame. I guess you're aiming for exclusive contracts rather than simply allowing PC players to use a joystick. |
Charles37
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Posted - 2011.06.09 21:42:00 -
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I'm still incredibly disappointed that this is not also coming to the PC. All the reasons that I've read from CCP have seemed pretty shallow and hacked together.
I don't own a PS3, I'm not going to buy a PS3, but I would be interested in playing Dust. I imagine there's a lot of people that feel the same way, but the people who have supported EVE for so long on the PC are instead just being locked out if we don't have an additional piece of hardware.
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S3ND3TH
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.09 22:14:00 -
[535]
i know that the specifics about the exclusive agreement between ccp and sony can't be discussed here, but please tell me when and where we can find out why. i am really upset over this. i vastly prefer xbox to ps3 and actually just sold my ps3 because most of the games weren't really that great (with a handful of exceptions of course). i was really mad when i first saw this, but maybe microsoft was being difficult or maybe it was a hardware issue. i would be willing to forgive all of these things as long as it was not purely financially driven. a little information would go a long way. c'mon ccp, i want to forgive you, so give me something here. that seems to be the biggest issue people have with this game. it would be crazy not to address it. everything else looks great.
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Pharon Reichter
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.09 23:42:00 -
[536]
Originally by: MechaMouse Edited by: MechaMouse on 09/06/2011 18:24:20
Not sure if this has been posted already, but CCP gave their reasons for going PS3 here: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2011/06/08/ccp-sony-was-more-open-to-dust-514/
I don't have a PS3, so I am disappointed this wont be a cheap buy for me. That said the reasons given seem totally valid. This is an unprecedented game. It will be hard enough to meet their goals with Sony's more open network. My take is that CCP is telling the truth, they are open to both consoles, but sony was easier to work with. Note that when CCP announced ps3 exclusivity, they showed a MUCH more ambitious EVE integration than what we saw in 2009, when dust was for "current generation consoles". I don't blame them for dropping a platform in exchange for "one world one war"
Wat ? the xbox live id being the reason they are not releasing it for xbox ? Yeah good joke and silly argument indeed. So this was the BIG technical thing that couldnt be overcomed by CCP. Shure these guys totally deserve my money. I mean they are SOOO inventive and they just manage to get around all the problems so easily. Except for the silly ones ofc.
Good one. Totally valid. Yeah ... It's also very good that they asked their member base if that would be a game-breaking thing for them or not. I'm so excited that CCP listens to their fanbase. [customers]
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Selinate
Amarr Mocking Birds
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Posted - 2011.06.10 01:57:00 -
[537]
can characters from Eve online carry over to dust 514 and be used as mercs, also?
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Lisandra Riraille
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2011.06.10 02:55:00 -
[538]
Originally by: Selinate can characters from Eve online carry over to dust 514 and be used as mercs, also?
Probably not, since I don't think it fits with lore, and one is pay to play the other free to play. Also, I think they will use a different skill progression system.
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Kasidis
Gallente Nexus.6
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Posted - 2011.06.10 04:29:00 -
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Edited by: Kasidis on 10/06/2011 04:35:24 Edited by: Kasidis on 10/06/2011 04:33:36 Its easy to MAKE a video game for any console, but to actually ship it is extremely difficult, and If you make video games for consoles in this industry you would know why.
Microsofts certification and post release pipelines forbid any of this progressive stuff CCP wants to do. As in, against the rules. As in, if your game does any of that stuff, they'll never let it ship for their platform. You will fail submission every single time you send off your final build no matter what. So yea, its easy to make a video game that can connect with PC, PS3s, Wii,, anything you want using Unreal engine, super easy, but MAKING it and SHIPPING it are completely different things.
They have very strict, patching, DLC, and post release rules for what you can and can't change. The exe can't change. You can only ever change like up to 2mb of in game content in a single patch. Theirs all kinds of network layer restrictions, handshaking restrictions that would forbid you access anything outside their secured networks, etc. etc. They also don't like you to give any thing out for free because their pipelines cost money.
The particular standards microsoft pushes on developers are mind blowingly limited, and unfortunately, they don't change them very easily. I think theirs one company that could really swing microsoft right now in terms of their TCR's cause they have the clout and its not CCP. Its probably activision blizzard.
Sony, while still having their own problems, is much less restrictive to support post release. This is a fact of the industry.
I also suggest you give this a read: http://www.industrygamers.com/news/e3-2011-why-ps3-gets-ccps-dust-514-over-xbox-360/
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Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.06.10 05:07:00 -
[540]
Edited by: Evelgrivion on 10/06/2011 05:07:44 http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/09/e3-2011-dust-514s-realtime-integration-with-eve-online/
Originally by: Massively "We're going to distribute the game through PSN. It will be a digital download on day one, on release. You'll pay a cover charge to get the game, but that money gets converted to in-game credits that you can spend on whatever you want to. But you can then continue playing the game not buying anything, so you can still enjoy the game without buying stuff."
http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/220061/e3-dust-514-is-ps3-exclusive-and-free-to-play/
Originally by: Gamepro Well, here's some news that might convince you to try it out: Dust 514 is free. That's right, free. Free to download, free to play. The only money you'll have to pay is if you want to purchase virtual goods such as advanced weaponry, battle gear and vehicles -- and even then, much of it will be purchasable via in-game currency as opposed to real cash.
If you have to pay for a download that's then "compensated" for Aurum, then it's not a free to play game.
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I3loodHawk91
Minmatar Spacebattles.com
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Posted - 2011.06.10 07:39:00 -
[541]
They might mean free to play in the sense that you don't keep paying for it like you do with EVE, you might pay for it once but you don't have to keep paying unless you want to to purchase things.
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Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.06.10 10:21:00 -
[542]
Originally by: CCP Shadow [No one I know here is saying that Evelgrivion. Although I did personally get a few nastygrams on Twitter yesterday. (Screengrabbed for posterity.)
My apologies to everyone who said nothing of the sort, then.
There are a number of lingering concerns over how DUST will connect to EVE, and getting those questions clarified would be greatly appreciated, especially in regards to Micro-Transactions. The possibility of non-vanity Micro-transactions affecting the gameplay of EVE Online, either directly or through DUST, has caused a considerable amount of revulsion in myself and others. Sorry about the emotional spillover.
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Khlat Mohel
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Posted - 2011.06.10 11:29:00 -
[543]
I have to say it really is too bad. I wont be buying a PS3 simply to play D514, had it come to 360 or PC via Steam, I would have bought. Disappointed
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.10 12:29:00 -
[544]
Originally by: Evelgrivion
Originally by: CCP Shadow [No one I know here is saying that Evelgrivion. Although I did personally get a few nastygrams on Twitter yesterday. (Screengrabbed for posterity.)
My apologies to everyone who said nothing of the sort, then.
There are a number of lingering concerns over how DUST will connect to EVE, and getting those questions clarified would be greatly appreciated, especially in regards to Micro-Transactions. The possibility of non-vanity Micro-transactions affecting the gameplay of EVE Online, either directly or through DUST, has caused a considerable amount of revulsion in myself and others. Sorry about the emotional spillover.
No problem.
And of course people want to know all the specifics of how EVE Online and DUST 514 connect. We understand that and you'll get all of this, but there is one year before launch. That's a full year of dev blogs, interviews, news items, and so on. We've made the platform announcement and shed some light on the connections, but there will be much more revealed over the course of the next year.
All I can ask is that you sit tight, and keep an eye on the official website www.DUST514.com for more of that info you're seeking.
Thanks.
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Joachim Vaug
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Posted - 2011.06.10 15:04:00 -
[545]
Will Dust support PS Move technology?
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CCP Shadow
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.10 15:14:00 -
[546]
Originally by: Joachim Vaug Will Dust support PS Move technology?
Yes, it will.
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Shurikane
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Posted - 2011.06.10 17:25:00 -
[547]
Putting in my vote for DUST to also be available in PC version. Would be dandy, kind sirs!
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Conrad Peet
Gallente Talon Tech Securities
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Posted - 2011.06.10 17:41:00 -
[548]
Originally by: Shurikane Putting in my vote for DUST to also be available in PC version. Would be dandy, kind sirs!
This a thousand times over. FPS games are horrible on consoles. I'm sure plenty of others will get into it but I won't even consider it unless it comes on PC.
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I3loodHawk91
Minmatar Spacebattles.com
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Posted - 2011.06.10 17:52:00 -
[549]
The problem with that is the disparity between PC and Console reaction time, fluidity of movement, etc. I agree that PC is better for FPS', I personally prefer them on PC, so if you had people on PS3 facing people on the PC, the PS3ers wouldn't stand a chance. So really, it's a PC OR Console thing. It would be very hard to make it even between PS3 and PC especially since this all takes place in one universe and you can't just make PCers only play with other PC players and vice versa with PS3.
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DeadMeat77
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Posted - 2011.06.10 20:13:00 -
[550]
Firstly, 12 months is a hell of a long time in gaming and as the launch wont be for another 12 months or so, i suspect sony will have sorted out the 'issues' with security.
Secondly, have to say very disappointed with the ps3 aspect. I finally interested the missus enough in the kinect and the games on offer with that thing to justify buying an xbox. The main reason i wanted one: Dust 514 . Bought it just after christmas so sadly wont be paying out for a new console for some time to come
Don't get me wrong, i'm no fan of microsoft, but when one company has such a monopoly, i'm not prepared to suffer and miss out on gaming for some moral crusade.
The main reason i didn't want a ps3 was that none of my close friends have one and the lack of backwards compatibility with all my old ps2 games. Just hope they make the ps4 compatable with ps3 games or Dust might not last very long...
I do however hope it does well so best of luck but not at eve's expense.
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DJMoz
Minmatar Sword Of Light
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Posted - 2011.06.10 21:27:00 -
[551]
Ok I have read for the most part all 19 pages of this thread to make sure this wasn't addressed.
It was mentioned that this game was going to be downloaded via the PS Network, after purchasing it from there. This seems fair and all, but if you have to buy it, why not have the option to go to the store and buy the game in a package? I personally would feel better not being required to ever give Sony my CC information.
But the other big mention for this concept is the marketing! Selling exclusively on the PS Network, you get no real Retail Promotions. If you want to break it into the market don't do like these horrible movie sequals and go direct to DVD, be proud of this game, put it in a box, on the shelves, maybe even with a copy of EVE-Online and a 30 day promo, so people that enjoy the world can possibly get even more invested!
I hope you guys had thought of this picture already, but I am posting it here incase it wasn't really thought through :)
I personally am not an FPS person, but I am sure as hell gonna give it a try.
And since I am here posting, guys back off CCP for the PS3 exclusiveness, I mean seriously, the case has been made, if you want it on Xbox, complain to Microsoft, am certain CCP didn't set out to sell this game short. And it has been said many times, Microsoft is limiting merger of CCP and Xbox. Stop Shooting your corp m8's and target the true enemy.
Thanx CCP for a great gaming experience!
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WisdomPanda
Gallente Goatriders Horde
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Posted - 2011.06.10 23:59:00 -
[552]
If DUST can run off tears in a similar fashion to EvE, it should be a great success.
As far as PS3 vs 360 goes, I see it a lot like EvE vs WoW. Eve players are generally (and some times unbelievably), mature adults who are willing to invest a good portion of their disposable income into something they like. WoW players are, on average, not nearly as mature or as financially viable, but there are millions of the little troopers.
With the model they've selected, it won't take a WoW style account list for DUST to work on the PS3, as you are already looking at the more "high end" console market. (ps3>360>wii>ps2) If the controller is really what worries you, look here, or here, or even here. Although personally I've always found the PS3 controller to be a better all around game pad, even in FPS's. (And having a PS3 since launch, I've played my fair share of FPS's on my still-running-ps3. Eat that RRoD'thers!)
This is of course ignoring all the crazy requirements that Microsoft puts on the developers for the xbox live. The model CCP wants to use simply would not be financially possible on the 360. If you have an issue with that, contact Microsoft and express your disappointment. I would say that if Microsoft went to CCP and offered what they needed to make it a reality, we wouldn't be creating this river of tears.
Also for the whole "ps3 will die in a few months when ps4 is released trololololololololol"; PS4 is slated until 2014, that's 2 years before any of that matters in the least. However once it is released, your console history should at least point out the PS2 as a fault in your frankly tragic logic. The PS2, by demand, has had a life cycle of 11 years thus far. Assuming the Ps3 can at least reach that, we're looking at ~2017, which would give us 5 years of DUST goodness before CCP would need to get around to porting it to the PS4 - which with the unreal engine and support it gets, should be fairly low-cost.
Truth be said though, If DUST not being on the 360 is the end of the world to you, I'm not even sure if I want to shoot your face off. And I enjoy shooting faces off. ----- Cheesecake, Natures ultimate weapon.
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Page Starcaster
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Posted - 2011.06.11 01:15:00 -
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Edited by: Page Starcaster on 11/06/2011 01:19:38 It would seem to me that DUST 514 not being released on XBOX 360 really was not CCP's choice. The reason I say this is one simple fact. The thing that makes XBOX live so much more secure than PSN is that all the games are run on XBOX live servers. They have 100% control over the server environment.
You may say so what. But the problem with this is that DUST 514 needs to interface with the EVE servers and this can not be done unless it is run on CCP's servers. With the security protocols used by microsoft it would not be possible to interface the XBOX live servers with the EVE servers without basically handing over the EVE servers to Microsoft as well.
It is not that CCP choose to not make DUST a multi platform game. It is that the way MICROSOFT has chosen to set up the XBOX live servers make it very difficult if not impossible to run DUST 514 on XBOX 360. Blame MICROSOFT not CCP.
CCP has just chosen to make the most of the situation by deciding to focus development on the PS3 platform because XBOX 360 was just not an option due to the way MICROSOFT choose to set up XBOX live. Do you really think CCP who has made EVE to run on windows, and MAC, and even suports players running it on linux, would limit DUST 514 to one platform if it was feasible to make it for both XBOX 360 and PS3? Of course not, that is not how CCP works. They have just chosen to not point the finger at Microsoft, and rightfully so as it would possibly lead to a lawsuit if enough Mircosoft customers complained about it. And besides maybe they are still hoping to find a way to make it work. Blaming microsoft would cost them any hope they have of solving the issues.
The only thing I know for sure is CCP would not have limited DUST 514 to only one platform if they had a choice. And the fact that XBOX live charges for updates and several other mircosoft control elements that CCP does not agree with would have only been minor issues.
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Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2011.06.11 09:24:00 -
[554]
Hybrids might actually be used again in small arms combat. You could also take worthless ships like electronic attack frigates and 1/2 mid slot AF out of eve-online and drop them into Dust.
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McChib Ye
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Posted - 2011.06.11 11:40:00 -
[555]
Edited by: McChib Ye on 11/06/2011 11:40:13
Originally by: Page Starcaster Edited by: Page Starcaster on 11/06/2011 01:19:38 It would seem to me that DUST 514 not being released on XBOX 360 really was not CCP's choice. The reason I say this is one simple fact. The thing that makes XBOX live so much more secure than PSN is that all the games are run on XBOX live servers. They have 100% control over the server environment.
Personal details - which potentially include names, addresses, phone numbers and dates of birth - were stolen during the Codemasters security breach. A subsequent investigation revealed passwords, IP addresses, XBox gamer tags and biographies were also stolen.
You may say so what. But the problem with this is that DUST 514 needs to interface with the EVE servers and this can not be done unless it is run on CCP's servers. With the security protocols used by microsoft it would not be possible to interface the XBOX live servers with the EVE servers without basically handing over the EVE servers to Microsoft as well.
It is not that CCP choose to not make DUST a multi platform game. It is that the way MICROSOFT has chosen to set up the XBOX live servers make it very difficult if not impossible to run DUST 514 on XBOX 360. Blame MICROSOFT not CCP.
CCP has just chosen to make the most of the situation by deciding to focus development on the PS3 platform because XBOX 360 was just not an option due to the way MICROSOFT choose to set up XBOX live. Do you really think CCP who has made EVE to run on windows, and MAC, and even suports players running it on linux, would limit DUST 514 to one platform if it was feasible to make it for both XBOX 360 and PS3? Of course not, that is not how CCP works. They have just chosen to not point the finger at Microsoft, and rightfully so as it would possibly lead to a lawsuit if enough Mircosoft customers complained about it. And besides maybe they are still hoping to find a way to make it work. Blaming microsoft would cost them any hope they have of solving the issues.
The only thing I know for sure is CCP would not have limited DUST 514 to only one platform if they had a choice. And the fact that XBOX live charges for updates and several other mircosoft control elements that CCP does not agree with would have only been minor issues.
Added in something you missed in your post
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McStab Ye
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Posted - 2011.06.11 11:56:00 -
[556]
Originally by: DJMoz Ok I have read for the most part all 19 pages of this thread to make sure this wasn't addressed.
It was mentioned that this game was going to be downloaded via the PS Network, after purchasing it from there. This seems fair and all, but if you have to buy it, why not have the option to go to the store and buy the game in a package? I personally would feel better not being required to ever give Sony my CC information.
But the other big mention for this concept is the marketing! Selling exclusively on the PS Network, you get no real Retail Promotions. If you want to break it into the market don't do like these horrible movie sequals and go direct to DVD, be proud of this game, put it in a box, on the shelves, maybe even with a copy of EVE-Online and a 30 day promo, so people that enjoy the world can possibly get even more invested!
I hope you guys had thought of this picture already, but I am posting it here incase it wasn't really thought through :)
I personally am not an FPS person, but I am sure as hell gonna give it a try.
And since I am here posting, guys back off CCP for the PS3 exclusiveness, I mean seriously, the case has been made, if you want it on Xbox, complain to Microsoft, am certain CCP didn't set out to sell this game short. And it has been said many times, Microsoft is limiting merger of CCP and Xbox. Stop Shooting your corp m8's and target the true enemy.
Thanx CCP for a great gaming experience!
Just use PSN cards from game/gamestaion/ect,no CC needed.
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.06.11 15:00:00 -
[557]
Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 11/06/2011 15:00:06 Is Dust 514 still running on Unreal Engine 3 and Enlighten, or are you using Carbon to power it?
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Kuma Akamen
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.11 22:21:00 -
[558]
Edited by: Kuma Akamen on 11/06/2011 22:22:47 Edited by: Kuma Akamen on 11/06/2011 22:22:05 @CCP Shadow
I was wondering if the different races' and their equipment will have visual differences as pronounced as they are in EVE. Since the release of the Future Vision trailer all of the mercenaries look identical, and since the first announcement in 2009 we've been seeing the same vehicle designs (those HAVs/tanks look really generic by the way). I assume what we've been seeing is representative of the Caldari, but I just wanted to be sure.
And you probably can't talk about this, but do you know if there are plans for an "Art of DUST 514" book?
"Justice consists not in being neutral between right and wrong, but in finding out the right and upholding it, wherever found, against the wrong." |
Kasidis
Gallente Nexus.6
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Posted - 2011.06.11 22:52:00 -
[559]
Originally by: Kuma Akamen Edited by: Kuma Akamen on 11/06/2011 22:22:47 Edited by: Kuma Akamen on 11/06/2011 22:22:05 @CCP Shadow
I was wondering if the different races' and their equipment will have visual differences as pronounced as they are in EVE. Since the release of the Future Vision trailer all of the mercenaries look identical, and since the first announcement in 2009 we've been seeing the same vehicle designs (those HAVs/tanks look really generic by the way). I assume what we've been seeing is representative of the Caldari, but I just wanted to be sure.
And you probably can't talk about this, but do you know if there are plans for an "Art of DUST 514" book?
Yes, shadow answered my question on the playstation blog. It was that exact question. Infact, looking over the latest trailer, you can see a gallente dropship from 0:45-0:50 compaired to a caldari one at 1:08-1:14.
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Rip Minner
Gallente ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.12 06:36:00 -
[560]
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: BlackCat862
I was under the impression that this would be a free PC game, is there any future plan to make it for pc for those of us that canĘt afford a PS3 and already play eve online?
CCP Shadow
BlackCat, DUST 514 is a PlayStation 3 exclusive title.
So how long is that contract? How many years do you have to stealth isk/cash from EVE to support Dust till you can release a PC version? Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here. |
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Rip Minner
Gallente ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.12 07:40:00 -
[561]
Originally by: CCP Shadow
Originally by: Blane Xero CCP Shadow, In your opinion, not asking for iron facts just trying to get a feel of some idea of what is going on in the thinking process, what is the logic behind having no PC release?. I know about the whole "We don't want to compete with ourselfs" and similarly silly notions, but do you have a personal take on it?
Hi Blane. Been a while.
Alright. Well this is less of my personal take on things as it is the reasons, although this has already been stated in the past.
Our goal, stated on numerous occasions over the years, is to bring the EVE universe to a wider gaming audience through DUST 514 as a console title. A new platform. Shooters were the ideal way to do this while adding some diversity to how the EVE setting is experienced, rather than finding some way to put EVE Online on a console. Tbh, I have no idea how that would even work in the first place -- not impossible, but certainly very difficult.
So, as an EVE Online player, playing on PC or Mac, some view DUST 514 on console rather than PC as some peculiar lack of focus, etc.
What is being ignored with that criticism is that key thing we've stated time and time again -- we're reaching out to new players, expanding the playerbase actively involved in the EVE universe. Just as we've said all along. On console, as we've said all along. So I'm not sure why this comes as such a surprise to some commenters so far.
PC vs. console, PC vs. Mac, PS3 vs. 360, vanilla vs. chocolate, cats vs. dogs, pirates vs. ninjas. There's no way any single group of people can be expected to see eye to eye about all things. Please note that I'm not making light of these concerns at all - we are paying attention to this- but just stating the reality. Everyone has their preferred platform, everyone has their own preferences.
Some may disagree with CCP's decision, and that is duly noted. That is and will continue to be conveyed to those higher up in the company than me. That's part of my job as Community Manager for DUST 514. I'm not going to stop keeping my finger on the pulse of what people are discussing about DUST 514 (and its connections to EVE Online). I'm not going to stop informing my bosses of what matters to you.
Those who are unhappy about DUST 514 not being on the PC platform may take little comfort from this, but I want you to know this, regardless.
We want you to put it on the console we just dont understand why it's not on the pc too. I mean come on EVE and Dust514 will not even compete with each other as there game play are so far apart it's not even funny. I mean I hope your not scared of lossing your pvp players to Dust514 right?
I mean EVE pvp is about = to Chess and FPS pvp when done right is about = Real Sports becouse it takes real personal skill and reflexes to play well.
So you see EVE and Dust514 will not compete with each other on the pc platform even if some of the players that play EVE pick up Dust or the other way around. But you will have players that play both and thats just more cash for CCP. Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here. |
Zey Nadar
Gallente Unknown Soldiers Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.12 09:52:00 -
[562]
Edited by: Zey Nadar on 12/06/2011 09:52:34
Originally by: Gamepro Well, here's some news that might convince you to try it out: Dust 514 is free. That's right, free. Free to download, free to play. The only money you'll have to pay is if you want to purchase virtual goods such as advanced weaponry, battle gear and vehicles -- and even then, much of it will be purchasable via in-game currency as opposed to real cash.
I just hope there isn't a way to convert aurum into isk, as that may have bad repercussions, considering playing dust will be free.. And evel: dust will propably be F2P same way as for instance Champions online is F2P. There will be a huge amount of benefits for paying micropayments with money, and more money to be made from people who think that not subbing is going to make it cheaper..
Champions online went free-to-play this winter and considerably increased its revenue after doing so.
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Market babe Smith
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Posted - 2011.06.13 07:31:00 -
[563]
How evil it might sound i'm glad it's only on ps3. That way it's optimized to run on ps3 and not just a cheap ass port from the xbox version. And because ps3 got a superior hardware which means that there is more potential to make a better game, and by better I don't just mean graphics, but gameplay aspects as well.
Dust will be free and downloadable from psn so i can't see why it would die if the ps4 comes out 2016 (sony's 10 year plan), ccp could just update the game and you could download it on the ps4.
Yes it's sad that the xbox player who have been waiting for dust can't play it, but that's the way the cookie crumbles
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.06.13 15:53:00 -
[564]
Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 13/06/2011 15:56:46
Originally by: Rip Minner
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Originally by: BlackCat862
I was under the impression that this would be a free PC game, is there any future plan to make it for pc for those of us that canĘt afford a PS3 and already play eve online?
CCP Shadow
BlackCat, DUST 514 is a PlayStation 3 exclusive title.
So how long is that contract? How many years do you have to stealth isk/cash from EVE to support Dust till you can release a PC version?
Exclusivity is generally 6 months long, but even so, I won't be surprised if there aren't any plans for a PC version until the end of this console generation.
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Fred Kyong
Caldari EWH NanoTex
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Posted - 2011.06.15 05:30:00 -
[565]
I will not go into playstation, no matter its Dust 514 or Dust 515
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Caroline Leclair
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Posted - 2011.06.15 08:52:00 -
[566]
Ok guys, get over it. Exclusive titles have been happening since before the SEGA Genesis was launched. Anyone who really plays video games has known that unless they buy both systems they aren't going to be playing all the big name games they want.
On the downside, my PS3 won't recognize a disc unless it's been turned off for 4+ hours. (which means that yes, I must decide which game I wish to play 4 hours in advance.) Anyone know what could be causing this?
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Pharon Reichter
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.06.15 09:59:00 -
[567]
Naw , actually the exclusive titles are the exception nowadays. And most of them published by in-house studios. ( or for that matter studios owned by console manufacturers )
Any serious independent producer actually makes their game multiplatform. none of the reaons "guessed" by diffrent people are real deal-breakers, they'd only make the project harder to develop. We didnt expect this to be easy for ccp when they started but if they did we do expect them to appeal to a larger gamer-base.
Excluding virtually half of the console players from it will affect all of us even if we dont play DUST since less player-base means less revenue means less updates and more money from EVE funeled into DUST. I say that since once this project is started i suspect they will try to keep it alive for some time even if it will mean money loss. More playerbase meas more chance of game surviving.
But yea, if you let your 10 years old fanboy ego think you won a round because it's released for your game console and that will benefit you in any way, please go at it.
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Jass Sunrunner
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:38:00 -
[568]
is dust going to be free on PSN, Ive just had to cancel my cards due to sony's lack of security, there's no way im putting any other payment details into PSN |
Edgar Loke
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Posted - 2011.06.16 12:01:00 -
[569]
Is there any decision being made about including USB keyboard and mouse support for Dust? I think that would be something that would help a lot of people get over the whole "console only" complaint about the game. It might even make it easier for some people to jump in and play.
Hell, one of my corpmates told me he'd think about buying a PS3 if Dust included keyboard + mouse support.
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Vigoth Ritic
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Posted - 2011.06.16 12:35:00 -
[570]
What's the CHEAT CODE for more isk?
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LostChylde
Minmatar Debitum Naturae Drop the Hammer
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Posted - 2011.06.16 14:08:00 -
[571]
Quote: What's the CHEAT CODE for more isk?
c6-wormholes.
anyway, the discussion is pointless as the Mayan calendar runs out in 2012....... 2004.08.16 01:50:10combatSansha's Minion strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 5.4 damage.
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.06.16 15:55:00 -
[572]
Originally by: Jass Sunrunner is dust going to be free on PSN, Ive just had to cancel my cards due to sony's lack of security, there's no way im putting any other payment details into PSN
Just get a pre-paid PSN card to pay for it. There will be an initial fee, but that fee gets exchanged for ISK. The game, essentially, becomes free.
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Edgar Loke
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Posted - 2011.06.17 11:46:00 -
[573]
Edited by: Edgar Loke on 17/06/2011 11:46:14 Is there any decision being made about including USB keyboard and mouse support for Dust? I think that would be something that would help a lot of people get over the whole "console only" complaint about the game. It might even make it easier for some people to jump in and play.
Hell, one of my corpmates told me he'd think about buying a PS3 if Dust included keyboard + mouse support. Personally I would much prefer to play a shooter with m/k over a gamepad any day of the week.
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Heidron Zateki
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Posted - 2011.06.20 22:40:00 -
[574]
Would it be possible to some day release DUST 514 on PC? I dont really want to spend three or four hundred dollars on ONE GAME.
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Enik3
Crimson Empire. Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.06.21 11:59:00 -
[575]
Originally by: Solomon XI The 360 is a better console. Period.
I tried to read this but the light from my third RRoD is blinding me.
/XBOX - Platform for Tards (TM)
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Ming Sying
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.21 14:43:00 -
[576]
Edited by: Ming Sying on 21/06/2011 14:43:20
Originally by: Heidron Zateki Would it be possible to some day release DUST 514 on PC? I dont really want to spend three or four hundred dollars on ONE GAME.
Then buy a PS3 for the many exclusive PS3 titles such as: Demons Souls, Katamari Damacy, Ico & Shadow of the Colossus Collection, The Last Guardian, and Gran Turismo 5 just to name a few. The PS3 also has alot of annoying anime titles if you're into that.
My point is don't buy a console just for one game, get a console if there are other games out or coming out that you are interested in.
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Panthrax
Gallente Extreme Games
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Posted - 2011.06.21 15:17:00 -
[577]
I'm glad this is going to be on PS3 rather than Xbox, but I don't understand why there's no PC version. FPS games are infinitely better with a mouse and keyboard than a controller..
I may try it if I see it on sale or something, otherwise I will stick to Eve and wait for a PC version to eventuate..
To date the only FPS I have on PS3 is Resistance (and Halo 1&2 on Xbox). I prefer Half-life.
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.06.21 19:12:00 -
[578]
Originally by: Heidron Zateki Would it be possible to some day release DUST 514 on PC? I dont really want to spend three or four hundred dollars on ONE GAME.
You should never buy a console for one game. There are a lot of great games out for the PlayStation 3, however. Plus, it's a pretty great Blu-Ray player.
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L'amour Sauvage
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Posted - 2011.06.22 04:34:00 -
[579]
Is there any plans for specially priced ps3/dust bundle packs for the Eve faithful? My xbox died and might get ps3 for this sooner rather than later if it's priced right.
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Dimitri Fukoyama
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:32:00 -
[580]
Ive decided not to push for Dust on PC as i dont care anymore, my sub will run out before Dust is out. Thx Nex shop!
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.07.01 22:28:00 -
[581]
Since this title is currently exclusive to the PlayStation 3, I imagine you have some deal secured with Sony. Have you guys consulted with Sony's studios for support on technical implementations? Sony Santa Monica is generally the go-to studio for things like that. It might make things easier for you guys.
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Lord Mudekai
Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.07.03 00:50:00 -
[582]
I have read through this entire thread and have not found the answer, I have seen similar questions but all I have seen is a "copy and paste" answer, which is not what I'm looking for. The reason I ask is I have a group of FPS friends I occaisionally play with and I have talked to them about Dust 514. My question is:
What will make a hardcore FPS player want to play Dust 514?
As my friends have put it lol(their words not mine)
"Honestly I dont give a rats ass about this "Your battles have an effect on the EVE universe", what am I gonna get out of it? If I'm supposed to be a mercenary, who is paid to fight a battle, what do I care what happens in EVE."
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Kiran
Minmatar Knights of Azrael
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Posted - 2011.07.03 06:08:00 -
[583]
Originally by: Solomon XI I could go into a vivid discussion on why this it's bull$hit that Dust 514 is going to be an exclusive Playstation game but I'm not going to because I'm absolutely certain it's too damn late for anything to change at this point.
Eve Online runs on a Microsoft backbone to begin with and the Xbox 360 has always been a better "FPS Shooter" platform than the PS3. All you have done is commit us loyal 360 fans to either not playing Dust 514 or spending an obscene amount of money on a new gaming console for a single game.
Why you choose exclusivity with Sony over Microsoft is beyond me. The 360 is a better console. Period.
Its simple. CCP may of wanted to release on the Xbox as well as the PS3, but microsoft being the greedy mega corp they are probably said they wanted an exclusive on the Xbox. CCP told them to F off and decided to put it solely on the PS3. The PS3 and Xbox are not that far appart in terms of programing and code, as you will often see crossovers from PC, to Xbox and PS3 being released all on the same week/day. As for the better machine the PS3 is a far better platform than the Xbox as it is a true High Def gaming platform where as the Xbox is a poor pretender.
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Subrahmaya Chandrasekhar
Amarr J0urneys End
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Posted - 2011.07.03 06:45:00 -
[584]
Real sorry kids, but I'm not interested in a playstation. I signed on for a pc game, and where I come from this is called bait and switch.
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Page Starcaster
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Posted - 2011.07.04 01:07:00 -
[585]
I have a PS2. I have not even bothered hooking it up since I got my first decent PC and started PC gaming. I have since upgraded several times and built my last 3 PCs my self because none of the retailers offered any thing comparable to a custom rig. I have over 100 games for my PS2 and have still not had in connected let alone actually played it for over 5 years. About 3 years before that it was hooked up but rarely turned on. Only when my nephew was over and wanted to play it. But even he no longer wants to play it, I actually offered to give it to him and he said no.
I doubt I would spend any significant time console gaming even if I pony up the cash for a PS3. Not to mention my other half not letting me hog the TV just because the game is not available on PC. With 2 young children 90% of the time the only thing on the TV is "Tree House". ] There is no chance of me buying a PS3 or an XBOX 360, Not that I believe Dust will ever be released on XBOX, but it is the one I would buy if I ever did buy another console. Just not worth the cash when I get better quality gaming on my PC. The only way I will ever play DUST 514, even though I would really like to, Is if it gets released on PC or I find a good PS3 emulator I can run on my PC.
I am sure I am not the only EVE player that feels this way. In fact I would expect there are more players not willing to buy a PS3 to play DUST than the number of those who will.
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Miska Cult
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Posted - 2011.07.05 13:08:00 -
[586]
The reason for exclusivity is very simple. Xbox 360 only does multiplayer over Xbox Live (or Games for Windows Live). This is the same reason why Portal 2 only has cross-platform gaming between PS3 and PC, while Xbox 360 players co-op among themselves. Sony was open to allowing Valve to do multiplayer matches over Steam, Microsoft was not. Sony was open to allowing CCP do multiplayer over their own system, Microsoft was not. Which would you prefer: a PS3 exclusive for Dust 514, or EVE Online becoming a "Games for Windows Live" title, needing to sign in with your Microsoft Live Gamertag, and not being able to sign into your Xbox 360 while you were playing EVE on your computer because it uses the same account? That is the baggage that would come with cross-platform on the Xbox 360. I vote PS3 exclusive (even though I do not own a PS3).
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Kanati Agiusdi
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Posted - 2011.07.05 13:12:00 -
[587]
And of course , we all trust Sony to keep all of our info safe....dont we..?
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Gallion
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.07.05 13:16:00 -
[588]
When this Game Releases what are the Chance for a SPecial/limited Edition Console for its RElease?
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Bullyboutya
Minmatar Taxxon Industrial Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.07.12 13:49:00 -
[589]
OMG I'm so looking forward to Dust514. I'm a newb in EVE came over from the PS3 I heard about EVE and Dust514 from a game forum called MAG(FPS that has the same concept as Dust) Please add me to help with the Beta testing for Dust514. I love EVE online best game I've played in the 30 years I've been gaming.
This is one the best community I've ever been part of I'm happy to be part of the EVE family
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Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2011.07.12 17:18:00 -
[590]
Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 12/07/2011 17:18:42
Originally by: Kanati Agiusdi And of course , we all trust Sony to keep all of our info safe....dont we..?
This argument is dead in the water since Dust 514 won't use Sony's networks at all. Furthermore, if you're so worried about your information being leaked, why don't you just use pre-paid PSN cards to purchase your stuff?
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Shepard Book
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Posted - 2011.07.13 15:23:00 -
[591]
Originally by: Gallion When this Game Releases what are the Chance for a SPecial/limited Edition Console for its RElease?
I asked the same thing weeks ago in several threads and still no word from marketing if this is being worked on.
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Hirotsugu Qoylurani
Minmatar Mechanized Assault and Exploration Services Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2011.07.13 17:37:00 -
[592]
There are rumors about Playstation 4 coming in 2012. Does that have any effect on Dust 514? Does anyone know more about the Playstation 4, e.g.: does it play "old" PS3 games? What does it do better than the PS3?
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Bullyboutya
Minmatar Taxxon Industrial Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.07.14 13:21:00 -
[593]
Originally by: Hirotsugu Qoylurani There are rumors about Playstation 4 coming in 2012. Does that have any effect on Dust 514? Does anyone know more about the Playstation 4, e.g.: does it play "old" PS3 games? What does it do better than the PS3?
Sony said no PS4 in 2012 the PS3 is not even 5 years old yet. The PS2 lasted for 10 years so expect the PS3 to do the same. It only does everything and it's actually true best bang for your buck is the PS3 if your an adult gamer.
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