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Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
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Posted - 2011.06.08 19:46:00 -
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It's been talked about for 5-6 years. Now it is here in just a few days. Walk in stations, just think about it.
But why is it interesting for us? It is interesting not only in itself, but also because of this: hundreds of thousands of potential players have known EVE over the years and left. Some of them might come back only because of Incarna. Hundreds of thousands of other gamers have heard about EVE, or CCP will make sure they hear about EVE now.
They will arrive soon. And what we should question ourselves is: what do these people want? If they fancy well dressed characters in a station interior, what else will they explore in the game. Where will they put their isk, what will they do with their ships. Missions, piracy, mining? Faction Warfare, hisec losec nullsec? Pimping loyalty shop items ftw?
And what effects will this invasion have on the market? I am putting this out there, because this is not just another expansion. This is not another moon goo nerf. This is the beginning of SIMSinspace, and the New Eden demographics are about to change. ----------------------- "Signatures" trade chatroom / Universal Railways |
Digital Messiah
Imperial Combat Logistics Regiment
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Posted - 2011.06.08 19:57:00 -
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It just means more pawns on the chess board. Maybe a few knights with time. The kings and queens of EVE will stay in their positions. And the game will balance out with new market values and requirements. If anything it will simply inflate the starting level market for items.
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Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2011.06.08 22:34:00 -
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Edited by: Liberty Eternal on 08/06/2011 22:35:06 I don't know about other's experience, but most of the markets that I was trading in seem to have bottomed out and a few are tentatively climbing in price again.
I think that will be the main trend - an overall increase in average price because the stocks don't exist to cater to all those players if there is a large [albeit temporary] return of players to experience the new content.
Generally I think items with a long production time will be most heavily affected, but other than that it is hard to say. Time will tell - but no doubt it will be an interesting ride as always
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Alice Celadon
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Posted - 2011.06.09 04:10:00 -
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I think a major moon materials rebalance is going to occur, based mostly on these ideas:
1. Dr. E has been talking about it. 2. The game design staff hasn't announced any game design changes. Given the lack of game content (buying clothes hardly requires balancing), this leads me to believe they are hard at work polishing off economic design changes, which only get publicized late in the game.
Anyway, my isk is already where my mouth is on this one.
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Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
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Posted - 2011.06.09 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Alice Celadon Given the lack of game content
Well that's how you and I see it
But for someone who has never wanted to play EVE before, this is the only game content change that has ever mattered. And I have no clue what this type of player will do with their time in the game. ----------------------- "Signatures" trade chatroom / Universal Railways |
Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2011.06.09 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Alice Celadon 1. Dr. E has been talking about it.
1. He was ASKED a question about tech at fan fest. 2. He said he saw no reason to change anything 3. AND he called it trit by mistake
If something happens with tech, it won't be because of anything the good doctor does.
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Coh1ba
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Posted - 2011.06.09 14:03:00 -
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Edited by: Coh1ba on 09/06/2011 14:04:08 regarding Technetium changes Nerv incoming
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Seminole Sun
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Posted - 2011.06.10 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Coh1ba Edited by: Coh1ba on 09/06/2011 14:04:08 regarding Technetium changes Nerv incoming
There's no timeline on this and, if you read between the lines on some of the other things they'd like to do, it seems the solution is pretty obvious (to me at least)
Create a new tranche of WH space that allows for moon mining Make sure there's more tech there then in k-space currently
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Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
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Posted - 2011.06.14 08:07:00 -
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Edited by: Cista2 on 14/06/2011 08:14:40
Let me don my psycho-profiling hat and speak out of my **** for a minute.
So if a new wave of players are finding EVE irresistable because of station walking, what games are they used to? Some will naturally come from WoW and Rift, but for many it will be the combination of scifi-setting and character identification / bling that hooks them. So apart from themepark MMOS they have maybe played single-player Star Wars games, adn definitely something like StarCraft.
So my most obviuos prediction is they will throw themselves at what to them is the most accessible aspect of EVE: planetary interaction. They will do this not for the profit, but simply because it is there to do. They will do mining, but they will not find the complex and slow crafting of items in EVE very appealing. They will want pretty ships, but they will do missions only to some degree, and shy away from PvP of course.
This is in stark contrast to other expansions, where all the new players throw themselves heavily into missioning, as this is the equivalent to themepark quests.
So that's my angle atm. For some time I have not been buying any stock of ANYTHING except Plex and Tech. With the expansion so near I am now buying up some things again, but I have to say I think the slump in PI will continue on after Incarna, so I am not buying into any of that.
T1 ships and equipment should be a good area, but I guess that goes for any expansion. ----------------------- "Signatures" trade chatroom / Universal Railways |
Caleb Ayrania
Gallente TarNec
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Posted - 2011.06.14 08:31:00 -
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A small flaw in this threads logic..
No sane person would join a game for the sole reason of current features coming in incarna. Incarna will mainly be relevant to those that were on the fence, and those that went on extended/disgruntled breaks.
If your asking about the type of player that will eventually join and develop from the fully functional incarna features, that is a whole other matter, and a much larger discussion..
My short version reply to that is... Imagine what would happen if Second Life was actually entertaining.
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flakeys
The Great cornholio's
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Posted - 2011.06.14 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: flakeys on 14/06/2011 09:23:49
Originally by: Caleb Ayrania A small flaw in this threads logic..
No sane person would join a game for the sole reason of current features coming in incarna. Incarna will mainly be relevant to those that were on the fence, and those that went on extended/disgruntled breaks.
EXACTLY what i was thinking.And even if some do they'll **** off soon enough after they find out the reall eve is not wow/lineage/EQ/insert same old mmorpg genre's.
Such a shame we only had a brief moment of interaction .I give them a month max
Incarna as released now will be more an irritating then enjoyable edit to the game probably.In the end when it is fully operational it MIGHT be worthwhile but certainly not worth the invested time is MY VIEW on it.
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Rhivre
Caldari TarNec
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Posted - 2011.06.14 09:28:00 -
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I nearly didnt play eve cos of the lack of characters. If I dont care about my character, then why care about whether she lives or dies, is rich, or has awesome ships etc.
Incarna goes some way towards fixing this lack of attachment. (Eeep, yes, RPers in your MD, I know)
Yes, there may be an influx of WoW players, but I doubt it. There is a blog run by someone solely based on how rich he gets in wow, and how easy it is...but he repeatedly refuses to come to eve, which is most likely because in Eve there is not Auctioneer
Maybe STO / SWG players may be watching how incarna develops, but I doubt many would jump in based purely on Captains Quarters.
There have been influxes of players from WoW periodically, you can usually spot them as the corps full of new players flying faction BS at 3-4 weeks old because they make the mistake of thinking that ISK is what matters, and he who has the most isk must be winning. Most of these leave shortly after finding out that new players in faction BS just make other people rich , however, some stay once they figure out the real joy of eve.
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Dasola
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.14 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: Alice Celadon I think a major moon materials rebalance is going to occur, based mostly on these ideas:
1. Dr. E has been talking about it. 2. The game design staff hasn't announced any game design changes. Given the lack of game content (buying clothes hardly requires balancing), this leads me to believe they are hard at work polishing off economic design changes, which only get publicized late in the game.
Anyway, my isk is already where my mouth is on this one.
Maybe ccp should consult AkitaT before makeing those changes, after all he was able to predict technetium bottleneck before changes went live last time :P
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Gillaboo
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Posted - 2011.06.14 11:26:00 -
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Well, more like "Walking in my Basement apartment".... but sure, it is almost, nearly, finally here.
When the additional sections of accessible station areas arrive... then there will be much rejoicing.
Until then... it's living in a "box"...with my stuff...HOPING I can buy upgrades like a shower stall... or a jacuzzi....
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Caleb Ayrania
Gallente TarNec
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Posted - 2011.06.15 03:56:00 -
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Oh I found one thing that ccp could do to at least keep some players..
Make it possible to at least invite one other avatar into the captains quarters.. and allow putting on wizards hat and robe..
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clixor
Celluloid Gurus
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Posted - 2011.06.15 11:16:00 -
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Did i miss something or isn't 'incarna' currently just only the captain's quarter?
Imagine what will happen.. WOW player joins EVE, sees he can (for now) only walk circles in his awesome quarter.
Basically we're just getting a new interface to existing content.
Now, part of the new players will be dissapoint and leave and part will try the existing content anyway (question being what are the percentages ofcourse). Mission running has some roleplay element, so my guess is this connects most with the expectiations of new players.
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