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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
576
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Posted - 2012.09.10 16:37:00 -
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Mohamad Transporte wrote:just few minutes ago... Goons has destroyed 4 freighters in high sec (u can check eve-kill.net), total drop worth 21.5 billion isk!!!
21.5 Billion isk people!!!!
that beats 10/10 DED, FW Missions and incursions all together!!
if u want all alliances to leave their 0.0 systems and just go fun terrorizing high sec and earn money for that... stay cool about it CCP... as it will destroy the game
u gave protection for miners... its time for freighters/ JF revamp... No matter how much CCP buffs freighters / JF - CCP has no control over stupid.
These freighters died because of stupid.
CCP buffs freighters / JF because of this?
Freighters / JF will still die when loaded with stupid.
Hope that helps.
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |
Kult Altol
Republican Industries Epsilon Fleet
66
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Posted - 2012.09.10 16:46:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Mohamad Transporte wrote:just few minutes ago... Goons has destroyed 4 freighters in high sec (u can check eve-kill.net), total drop worth 21.5 billion isk!!!
21.5 Billion isk people!!!!
that beats 10/10 DED, FW Missions and incursions all together!!
if u want all alliances to leave their 0.0 systems and just go fun terrorizing high sec and earn money for that... stay cool about it CCP... as it will destroy the game
u gave protection for miners... its time for freighters/ JF revamp... No matter how much CCP buffs freighters / JF - CCP has no control over stupid. These freighters died because of stupid. CCP buffs freighters / JF because of this? Freighters / JF will still die when loaded with stupid. Hope that helps.
Yes, hauling freight is hi-sec is sooooo stupid. lol dummies. A narrow mind is a focused mind. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
500
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Posted - 2012.09.10 16:47:00 -
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A freighter has 200k EHP.... It died because the pilot was just plain ignorant and/or dump to try to carry that much value in cargo in an unprotected freighter....
IMO, a REASONABLE call, would be to allow freighter's some fitting options.... Give them 8 lows, No mids, No Highs, and maybe rig slots.... Reduce their base Freight to 200k m3 or something similarly moderate, and make it so they can carry 900k+ m3 by fitting all cargo expanders, or they can fit a tank by fitting all buikheads and a damage control (and double their align times), or they can fit a bunch of nanofibers and halve their EHP.... (note: numbers/slots/etc need major tweaking).
The dirty truth, this change wont matter, as even with 1m EHP, it will still be profitable to gank a pilot that undocks with 21b in cargo!!!! |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2414
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Posted - 2012.09.10 16:48:00 -
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Mechanics and strategies were in place at every step of the way to avoid being in this situation, they were ignored.
From planning how much value to be carried on each ship, to how you set up your contracts (assuming there was one, or preferably 2), to how your scouting was done (if any), to the logistics of the actual move (corp webbing ship), to defensive steps implemented (webbing again, logistics, fleet bonuses, or even the classic but dishonorable log off after jump), and if you really want to split hairs the choice of implants for the freighter pilots.
There is a big difference between needing the game mechanics to be changed and simply choosing not to use the game mechanics available. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
GOTMYEYEONYOU
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.09.10 17:01:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Those freighter pilots could also set an escort fleet and take care of their business but no, they rather play alone with their dozen alts scouting systems and then cry their millions HP hull got gank with several dozens times the ship value in their cargo.
Gank mining barges with destroyers is silly, really really mongoloid game play. Gank freighters it's serious business and only serious gankers can afford to know when and how to do it, I see no problem here.
You're a moron on so many levels that you make me sad. Do you have any idea how much freight moves in EVE? Any idea at all? Do realize how many escorts that would take? Are you volunteering for this escort duty? Do you know ANYONE who would want to do it, day in and day out? Do you not understand what a suicide gank is? Can you please explain to me how this escort will prevent the gank? Do you know anything about ganking freighters? It is neither hard nor expensive. Can you count or read? Show me the freighter or JF with "millions HP hull."
Just STFU and quit posting. |
GOTMYEYEONYOU
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.09.10 17:02:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Kult Altol wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Jim Hazard wrote:In the end if you buff freighters most likely you will only make suicide ganking more profitable as people will feel a lot more secure and will carry around even more in their cargo holds. Perhaps that "pvp" thing in highsec is getting a bit inconvenient for some people, huh. How is it PVP when the other player can't fight back? Hmm makes sense. They can. Derp. Show me how to fight off a suicide gank. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2414
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Posted - 2012.09.10 17:08:00 -
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GOTMYEYEONYOU wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Those freighter pilots could also set an escort fleet and take care of their business but no, they rather play alone with their dozen alts scouting systems and then cry their millions HP hull got gank with several dozens times the ship value in their cargo.
Gank mining barges with destroyers is silly, really really mongoloid game play. Gank freighters it's serious business and only serious gankers can afford to know when and how to do it, I see no problem here.
You're a moron on so many levels that you make me sad. Do you have any idea how much freight moves in EVE? Any idea at all? Do realize how many escorts that would take? Are you volunteering for this escort duty? Do you know ANYONE who would want to do it, day in and day out? Do you not understand what a suicide gank is? Can you please explain to me how this escort will prevent the gank? Do you know anything about ganking freighters? It is neither hard nor expensive. Can you count or read? Show me the freighter or JF with "millions HP hull." Just STFU and quit posting.
I'll ignore the essay that could be written to address your other points and simply point out that many of us have pulled escort duty for a corp or alliance freighter runs of significant value.
How that escort should operate (with proper scouting and webbing) is something every freigther pilot should know, or at the very least attempt to find out before hauling extremely high value cargo. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2414
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Posted - 2012.09.10 17:11:00 -
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GOTMYEYEONYOU wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Kult Altol wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Jim Hazard wrote:In the end if you buff freighters most likely you will only make suicide ganking more profitable as people will feel a lot more secure and will carry around even more in their cargo holds. Perhaps that "pvp" thing in highsec is getting a bit inconvenient for some people, huh. How is it PVP when the other player can't fight back? Hmm makes sense. They can. Derp. Show me how to fight off a suicide gank.
Your best options are to either avoid the suicide gank, make the attempt financially unappealing, or be set up to give better chances of surviving it long enough for Concord to arrive... all of which fall under the category of PVP (player vs player) activity. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9430
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Posted - 2012.09.10 17:11:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:Yes, hauling freight is hi-sec is sooooo stupid. lol dummies. Good thing that no-one claimed that it was, so your sarcasm completely falls flat.
Yes, hauling more freight than your hull (and buddies) can protect is stupid. Being in highsec is not a factor.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4565
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Posted - 2012.09.10 17:13:00 -
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GOTMYEYEONYOU wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Kult Altol wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Jim Hazard wrote:In the end if you buff freighters most likely you will only make suicide ganking more profitable as people will feel a lot more secure and will carry around even more in their cargo holds. Perhaps that "pvp" thing in highsec is getting a bit inconvenient for some people, huh. How is it PVP when the other player can't fight back? Hmm makes sense. They can. Derp. Show me how to fight off a suicide gank.
Eg: Split off the high-value, low volume items and move those in the appropriate ship-class: blockade runners (If you can fly a freighter, then you're a day away from being able to fly a properly fight BR)
Eg: send ahead "decoy" ships (T1 industrials with BPCs, etc) through particularly high risk areas like the WELL KNOWN BOTTLENECK BETWEEN AMARR AND JITA
Eg: employ a friend or alt in corp with a webbing ship (This is one of the few unironic uses for a Hyena) to near-instawarp your freighter
Eg: take a longer but less dangerous route when moving especially high-value cargoes
Eg: move especially high value cargoes when EVE is relatively quiet
Eg: Train up Leadership skills to increase EHP - suicide ganking with Alpha is expensive, and gank operations often operate with tight margins. You might just tip the balance. You can also increase your freighter's agility this way
But really, the first suggestion is the important one. All the rest are for if you don't follow it. Seriously: put the high value stuff into a fully expanded and rigged BR. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9431
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Posted - 2012.09.10 17:16:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:But really, the first suggestion is the important one. All the rest are for if you don't follow it. Seriously: put the high value stuff into a fully expanded and rigged BR. GǪor the corp hangar of an Orca. More EHP, quicker movement (compared to a freighter/JF), unscannable, and zero reason to gank it since it won't drop any loot. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1580
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Posted - 2012.09.10 17:17:00 -
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It does seem kind of strange that a ship capable of hauling that much cargo which aligns and warps as slowly as a freighter does would not have the ability to fit any sort of defensive modules or atleast a method to avoid being tackled. Also the fact that a ship type that didn't even exist when freighters were introduced is being used exclusively to do the ganking implies that an imbalance exists and should be corrected, after all it's only logical that when a weapon is created that gives one side an advantage over another that a counter is created. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Borlag Crendraven
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
81
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Posted - 2012.09.10 17:23:00 -
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It's not the tier 3 battlecruisers that have an advantage over the freighter, it's the numbers of them. If those wouldn't exist, it'd be the exact same boats that were being used for that before those bc's were introduced to the game. The thoraxes, brutixes etc etc. If you end up buffing freighters because a single freighter pilot can't cope with being attacked by 15 battlecruiser/cruiser pilots (that's the count on the killmail) then you're really approaching the issue completely wrong. A single player should not survive when outnumbered that greatly unless they work their way around that camp in the first place. |
Trendon Evenstar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.09.10 17:24:00 -
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There was one day last week where the fine fellows of Bat Country destroyed 78b worth of assets.
These are great days we're living bros. |
Idris Helion
University of Caille Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2012.09.10 17:29:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Those freighter pilots could also set an escort fleet and take care of their business but no, they rather play alone with their dozen alts scouting systems and then cry their millions HP hull got gank with several dozens times the ship value in their cargo.
Gank mining barges with destroyers is silly, really really mongoloid game play. Gank freighters it's serious business and only serious gankers can afford to know when and how to do it, I see no problem here.
I'm the biggest hisec carebear in the world, and even I agree with this. Too many hisec industrialists throw tens of billions of ISK worth of stuff into their freighters, set the destination to Jita 4-4, and then click the autopilot button and go have lunch. AFK-ing while you have 20B+ ISK worth of stuff slowboating twenty or thirty jumps to Jita is just colossally stupid. Throwing all your worldly possessions into a single freighter-load is even more stupid. (Just because you can fit all your crap into the freighter's hold doesn't mean you should.) It drives me bonkers to see people moving such expensive stuff through dodgy systems in an unescorted (and often AFK'd) freighter.
If you can't be bothered to babysit your freight to Jita, then you deserve to lose it. No pity from me.
Also: use an Impel with loads of tank. The attackers will get Concordokken long before your Impel's tank breaks. For runs through dodgy systems in hisec (like the run to Jita), an Impel is my favorite freight boat. A bunch of s**t-fit Catalysts aren't going to dent the tank on that beast.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9431
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Posted - 2012.09.10 17:30:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:It does seem kind of strange that a ship capable of hauling that much cargo which aligns and warps as slowly as a freighter does would not have the ability to fit any sort of defensive modules or atleast a method to avoid being tackled. Not really, because people would use those slots to bring in stuff into highsec that isn't allowed there, so they would have to reduce the base stats for the ship to the point where they'd be much much worse (in every way) than they are today. So instead, they're given the exact stats they need for what they're intended to do GÇö the defensive capabilities are built into the ship and are non-negotiable.
Quote:Also the fact that a ship type that didn't even exist when freighters were introduced is being used exclusively to do the ganking implies that an imbalance exists and should be corrected Not really, since the ships used before did the exact same thing for the exact same cost. In fact, the implication is that the balance has remained the same: even though the cost of a gank has gone up (due to the removal of insurance), the cost is unaffected because of these new ships that deliver the same damage at a lower cost. Instead of 80M battleships delivering 10k alpha, they're now using 80M battlecruisers delivering 10k alpha. No imbalance exists. In fact, it would be imbalanced without these ships. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
577
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Posted - 2012.09.10 17:36:00 -
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Kult Altol wrote:Yes, hauling freight in hi-sec with a value of N>attacking ships loss to concord is sooooo stupid. lol dummies. FYP.
What? You one of those people who think freighters/JF should move about risk free?
To paraphrase what I said earlier, you can't fix stupid.
Also: Darwins Law.
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |
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ISD Praetoxx
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
35
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Posted - 2012.09.10 17:41:00 -
[108] - Quote
Thread cleaned.
Please keep your posts constructive and in-line with the Forum Rules ISD Praetoxx Ensign Community Communication Liasons (CCLs) Interstellar Service Department |
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No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1370
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Posted - 2012.09.10 17:42:00 -
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Destruction of assets is a necessary and vital part of the economy. If ships did not explode, your ore would be worthless, all your sell orders, your manufacturing, your LP, your standings and ultimately your isk.
2 wars, one in the north and one south plus the tireless efforts of Goonswarm Federation and pioneers like James 315 keep this economy healthy and vibrant. http://www.themittani.com Bringing balance to the world of Eve news |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
577
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Posted - 2012.09.10 17:43:00 -
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GOTMYEYEONYOU wrote: *snip*
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Please ensure your posts are constructive and not of a 'flaming' manner. Forum hamsters get scared when so many harsh words are used.
- ISD Praetoxx
Why, yes I have escorted freighters of ours on loot runs. We usually use two inties to dbbl web the freighter as it comes out of jump cloak. Usually have a falcon around as well. Usually its not necessary though, as we break up our cargo into multiple runs, or use Red Frog Freight (and insure it for the value of the contents). Red Frog is cheaper than loosing all your loot...
So yeah, even though your post got snipped, some of us have done escorts. It's not unreasonable to expect that when your moving $$$$$ loot, someone might try to steal it.
To paraphrase what I said earlier...
"CCP can't patch stupid - and those freighters died to stupid".
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |
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Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
326
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Posted - 2012.09.10 17:47:00 -
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I can technically fill a Tech 1 frigate full of Tech 2 BPO's and lose ridiculous amounts of isk to a destroyer. Does this mean they should buff tech 1 frigates to be ungankable?
What you put in a ships cargo hold is your own prerogative and neither should it be considered in terms of a ships vulnerability to ganks. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4565
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Posted - 2012.09.10 18:00:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Malcanis wrote:But really, the first suggestion is the important one. All the rest are for if you don't follow it. Seriously: put the high value stuff into a fully expanded and rigged BR. GǪor the corp hangar of an Orca. More EHP, quicker movement (compared to a freighter/JF), unscannable, and zero reason to gank it since it won't drop any loot.
I keep forgetting the Orca! Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4565
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Posted - 2012.09.10 18:01:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:It does seem kind of strange that a ship capable of hauling that much cargo which aligns and warps as slowly as a freighter does would not have the ability to fit any sort of defensive modules or atleast a method to avoid being tackled. Also the fact that a ship type that didn't even exist when freighters were introduced is being used exclusively to do the ganking implies that an imbalance exists and should be corrected, after all it's only logical that when a weapon is created that gives one side an advantage over another that a counter is also created.
Ever seen an oil tanker? Man, the armor and guns on those things! Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1599
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Posted - 2012.09.10 18:04:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:It does seem kind of strange that a ship capable of hauling that much cargo which aligns and warps as slowly as a freighter does would not have the ability to fit any sort of defensive modules or atleast a method to avoid being tackled. Also the fact that a ship type that didn't even exist when freighters were introduced is being used exclusively to do the ganking implies that an imbalance exists and should be corrected, after all it's only logical that when a weapon is created that gives one side an advantage over another that a counter is also created. Ever seen an oil tanker? Man, the armor and guns on those things! Last I checked irl oil tankers don't usually have to worry about fleets of pirates in battlecruisers with battleship sized guns blowing them up. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9432
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Posted - 2012.09.10 18:07:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:Malcanis wrote:Ever seen an oil tanker? Man, the armor and guns on those things! Last I checked irl oil tankers don't usually have to worry about fleets of pirates in battlecruisers with battleship sized guns blowing them up. That's because you don't need something as ridiculous as a battlecruiser (which, by definition has battleship-sized gunsGǪ that was the whole point of inventing them) to take one on. Instead, they have to worry about fleets of pirates in dinghies. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Senshi Hawk
Occupational Hazzard Get Off My Lawn
44
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Posted - 2012.09.10 18:12:00 -
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I don't think the OP realizes how much the Goons hate ratting. It is a chore to get that sec status back up. Don't fool yourself into thinking that ganking your defenseless freighter is easy. They're earning their loot by F1'ing Guristas over, and over, and over.
Game is balanced. Move on. |
luZk
x13
71
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Posted - 2012.09.10 18:12:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:It does seem kind of strange that a ship capable of hauling that much cargo which aligns and warps as slowly as a freighter does would not have the ability to fit any sort of defensive modules or atleast a method to avoid being tackled. Also the fact that a ship type that didn't even exist when freighters were introduced is being used exclusively to do the ganking implies that an imbalance exists and should be corrected, after all it's only logical that when a weapon is created that gives one side an advantage over another that a counter is also created. Ever seen an oil tanker? Man, the armor and guns on those things!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M93od9fbpWM
Yeah?
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Gevlin
SMANews.net SpaceMonkey's Alliance
192
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Posted - 2012.09.10 18:13:00 -
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Mohamad Transporte wrote:just few minutes ago... Goons has destroyed 4 freighters in high sec (u can check eve-kill.net), total drop worth 21.5 billion isk!!!
21.5 Billion isk people!!!!
that beats 10/10 DED, FW Missions and incursions all together!!
if u want all alliances to leave their 0.0 systems and just go fun terrorizing high sec and earn money for that... stay cool about it CCP... as it will destroy the game
u gave protection for miners... its time for freighters/ JF revamp...
CCP does not nerf stupidity. Why was a freighter taking so much value of goods in a ship. Freighter is ment for bulky items, Those people be idled to make play content and be lazy and ship too much value in a load
Some day I will have the internet and be able to play again. |
Lord Regent
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
3
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Posted - 2012.09.10 18:31:00 -
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You jelly?
Seriously, grow up. It's eve. People die. Get over it.
Sincerely,-á Lord Regent. |
Gary Bell
Odyssey Inc SpaceMonkey's Alliance
15
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Posted - 2012.09.10 18:32:00 -
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Simple way for said idiots to not get ganked...
1. When hauling ships, take the shiney mods off and stick them in the cargo holds before you make your courier contract. This shows an unfit ship in the scan. In the case of these current idiots it dropped the value by like 10Bil, IE not worth a gank.
2. When hauling lots of expensive modules and minerals the same rules can be applied. You place the crap in fit Itty fives the courier contract and derp... TADA all you see is a few Ittys in a freighter. Granted it will take more runs because of the assembled ship but you reduce your chances of getting killed by 90%.
-Okay now that I have shown all the secret I am going to guess that goons still kill 60-90 BIl in stupid peoples stuff next week. You know why boys and girls. Because people are DUMB AS HELL!
Rant complete..
PS When I ran Missions I have hauled 10 Bil plus in modules in a Bantam. You know why it worked, Because I used my brain. No one ever scans a bantam...
PS ..
Stupid is just stupid and there will always be stupid no matter how many Nerfs there are.. |
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