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Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
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Posted - 2011.06.10 04:35:00 -
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Edited by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet on 10/06/2011 04:37:33
It seems that capsuleers aren't special any more.
Dust players are just as immortal as capsuleers.
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If he died, would he even wake up in his clone body?
http://www.dust514.com/en/chronicles/article/1981/stranded-part-1
Furthermore, it seems Dust players aren't restricted to pods if they wish to be reborn. It seems Dusties are superior to capsuleers.
I, for one, welcome our new Dust Bunny overlords.
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Tri Vetra
Minmatar
Incompertus INC
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.10 04:55:00 -
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Looks like the Dusties lost one of their deaders.
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Nemesis Factor
Caldari
Apolitical
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Posted - 2011.06.10 07:07:00 -
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I don't mind as long as he has no memory since his last upload. If he remembers everything up until the bullet entering his brain then that kind of ****es me off. That's like, 90% of what makes pod pilots unique in the universe. Now every ground pounding grunt is going to have it.
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Rolare
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.10 07:11:00 -
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Well, info is still scarce on it but I think the underlying technology is different.
Also, I kinda get the impression that his mates are actually dead, y'know for real. Might just be me but he do make them sound awfully dead.
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Ische Qou
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Posted - 2011.06.10 07:16:00 -
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Edited by: Ische Qou on 10/06/2011 07:16:52
Not to worry the dusties are and will be peasant slobs with but a fraction of a capsulers intelligence and versitality.
Dusties are willing slaves to be used as cannon fodder on various worlds. The cloning part is only to make them more willing to take the risks required of them. Their clones are obviously of very low quality and rather shoddy.
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Nemesis Factor
Caldari
Apolitical
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Posted - 2011.06.10 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ische Qou
Edited by: Ische Qou on 10/06/2011 07:16:52
Not to worry the dusties are and will be peasant slobs with but a fraction of a capsulers intelligence and versitality.
Dusties are willing slaves to be used as cannon fodder on various worlds. The cloning part is only to make them more willing to take the risks required of them. Their clones are obviously of very low quality and rather shoddy.
I would be willing to bet hard isk that CCP gives them better clones. Clones with friggin upgrades, like tritanium skeletons, augmented sensory equipment, genetically enhanced muscular and nervous systems. We sit in pods all day while our bodies atrophy and the only upgrades we get are mental ones. New overlords are right. They get all of the benefits and none of the weaknesses.
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Chuffer
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Posted - 2011.06.10 08:24:00 -
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Aaaaaaaaaaa FICTION RAGE!
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Kunming
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2011.06.10 08:40:00 -
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What really bothers me is the planetary doomsday device frying a moros in one shot!! I was sooo hoping the dreadnoughts would make a come back as an orbital bombardment platform..
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Logan LaMort
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.10 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: Nemesis Factor
I don't mind as long as he has no memory since his last upload. If he remembers everything up until the bullet entering his brain then that kind of ****es me off. That's like, 90% of what makes pod pilots unique in the universe. Now every ground pounding grunt is going to have it.
From the E3 trailer it was made clear that the physical body doesn't matter, only the knowledge contained. Add to the fact that the guy in the chronicle remembers where he died in the vehicle... I'm pretty certain cloning is the same for them as us, but their suit being the controlled environment (The science article about cloning mentions it was used in ground based vehicles and such, but it was unreliable... maybe now it is).
Which shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, CCP has been saying this for a while. There's even a new book coming out to explain how all this works.
Anyway, in the chronicle it seems if the command barge isn't near by there's a risk he wouldn't come back, so unlike us they can't go into the depths of space, get killed and wake up in a station. For me it gives the impression that they signed a contract which gave them access to this advanced technology, at the cost of being a slave to the war machine.
We're still superior as a lone pilot, Dusters are superior if they work together... remember, it only takes one Moros pilot to hail down an orbital bombardment, but it takes a squadron of Dusters to storm the base and activate the orbital defence cannon.
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Takseen
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Posted - 2011.06.10 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ische Qou
Edited by: Ische Qou on 10/06/2011 07:16:52
Not to worry the dusties are and will be peasant slobs with but a fraction of a capsulers intelligence and versitality.
Dusties are willing slaves to be used as cannon fodder on various worlds. The cloning part is only to make them more willing to take the risks required of them. Their clones are obviously of very low quality and rather shoddy.
Except for the augmented skeletons and autohealing nanites, sure. Absolutely inferior clones. They also seem to be able to transfer their consciousness without the aid of a pod, provided their command barge is in range. Basically like new BSG Cylons.
Also they mentioned a planetary communications outpost costing billions of ISK. Nuking Dusters for ****s n giggles could prove to be quite expensive.
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Anddeh McNab
Cadre Assault Force
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Posted - 2011.06.10 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Edited by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet on 10/06/2011 04:37:33
It seems that capsuleers aren't special any more.
Dust players are just as immortal as capsuleers.
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If he died, would he even wake up in his clone body?
http://www.dust514.com/en/chronicles/article/1981/stranded-part-1
Furthermore, it seems Dust players aren't restricted to pods if they wish to be reborn. It seems Dusties are superior to capsuleers.
I, for one, welcome our new Dust Bunny overlords.
Disturbing indeed, however the upcoming novel Templar One should clear some things up.
In current lore, transneural brain scanning is only implimented for capsuleers as a caspule hull breach means certain death. Something that isn't certain in planetside combat, a hull breach in a tank or a suit puncture in a combat suit may not be fatal.
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Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.10 09:06:00 -
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I read that also.
But I remember distincly that ground pounders (dust bunnies) had a few distinct disatvantages.
Number 1 is that they do not have a pod and therefore can't acces huge weaponsystems and ships of war that hold thousands of crew.
I think the cloning and other tech is easy, but finding people that can interact with the pod and actually process all the input the pod gives into you brain makes you a capsuleer. There is a chronicle about I think "wet grave", or something.
Perhaps dust bunnies are just capsuleers that couldn't process the pod. Like pilots that fail their exams and are relegates to desk jobs in the airforce?
We don't need tritanium skeletons in space, the guys getting shot do. If our pod breaks that extra hard skeleton isn't gonne save us from the vacuum.
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A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Rolare
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.10 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Nemesis Factor
Originally by: Ische Qou
Edited by: Ische Qou on 10/06/2011 07:16:52
Not to worry the dusties are and will be peasant slobs with but a fraction of a capsulers intelligence and versitality.
Dusties are willing slaves to be used as cannon fodder on various worlds. The cloning part is only to make them more willing to take the risks required of them. Their clones are obviously of very low quality and rather shoddy.
I would be willing to bet hard isk that CCP gives them better clones. Clones with friggin upgrades, like tritanium skeletons, augmented sensory equipment, genetically enhanced muscular and nervous systems. We sit in pods all day while our bodies atrophy and the only upgrades we get are mental ones. New overlords are right. They get all of the benefits and none of the weaknesses.
Why would we need that? We're controlling ships that are far superior to regular ships and the only reason they're superior is because we're flying them. All them genetic modifications and all aren't of much use when there's either a gigantic space ship shooting at you, or when you're floating in space because someone got the funny idea of shooting at you.
At any rate, it's kind of a duh moment that planets will want some sort of AA space guns, especially if they're in a war filled place (null). If you take a place that might get assaulted again soon, you might wanna fortify it. However, do think about how much energy our ships can produce, and I'm sure there are better possibilities planet-side.
Besides, if you want to win, it'd be sensible to have shinier clones than your enemy have but I agree with whoever said that their clones are probably mass-produced crap clones. Not the same state-of-the-art clones we have.
And as a last thing, in the chronicle his memory is a bit fuzzy, he doesn't recognize the area immediately when he gets to it.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.06.10 09:21:00 -
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What makes you think making a dust bunny is any less exclusive than the capsuleer training? That cloning process sounds equally excruciating and mind-****ing as what we capsuleers go through, so they might even be capsuleer trainees that failed training at some point.
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S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2011.06.10 09:23:00 -
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Somebody in operations would hit the kill switch and every clone keyed with the proper ident would drop dead where they stood. Seconds later they would wake up on the other side of the planet or half a galaxy away ū the exact location seldom mattered anymore - ready to fight. This time Balac never made it.
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There was no-one around. No CRUs and no waystations that he knew of. And definitely no MCC. If he died, would he even wake up in his clone body? Probably. Maybe. He couldnĘt be sure.
Yes they have clones, but they are slaves to the man with the kill switch. If there is no transmitter or cloning facility nearby, then they are dead for good.
Sounds like a reasonable compromise; yes, we are superior.
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Takseen
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Posted - 2011.06.10 09:31:00 -
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From http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/09/e3-2011-dust-514s-realtime-integration-with-eve-online/
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Once conquered, planets can be upgraded with economic and military infrastructure. Mines produce materials and therefore ISK, biomass processors create clones for respawning during a war, and automatic artillery turns passing adversaries into smoking craters.
Dusties can take over a whole planet and become self-sufficient if they don't get a good deal from capsuleers.
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S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2011.06.10 09:36:00 -
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Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 10/06/2011 09:37:11
Yes, but it takes teams of them working together, pooling resources -- killing and dying in a long, drawn out, bitter war.
We can conquer planets and build an industrial infrastructure with our mind.
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Rolare
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.10 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Takseen
From http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/09/e3-2011-dust-514s-realtime-integration-with-eve-online/
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Once conquered, planets can be upgraded with economic and military infrastructure. Mines produce materials and therefore ISK, biomass processors create clones for respawning during a war, and automatic artillery turns passing adversaries into smoking craters.
Dusties can take over a whole planet and become self-sufficient if they don't get a good deal from capsuleers.
And once they're done, we can set the Dust corp in the alliance on them and take it all >:D
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.10 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kunming
What really bothers me is the planetary doomsday device frying a moros in one shot!! I was sooo hoping the dreadnoughts would make a come back as an orbital bombardment platform..
CCP have already confirmed that this was just fluff.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Pierced Brosmen
Priory Of The Lemon
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Posted - 2011.06.10 09:49:00 -
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Edited by: Pierced Brosmen on 10/06/2011 09:53:18
Considering we have yet to see a DUSTie without his helmet on, wouldn't it be fair to say that the function of the pod for capsuleers could be integrated in the helmet?
Also, when a DUST army goes to attack/defend something on a planet, they have the war barge in orbit around the planet... I'd bet the clone vat bays are on that barge (to quickly get back into the fight), wich again means that there would be less need for an ultra-advanced, much-faster-then-light way to transmit the brain-data to the new clone, as the distance is rather short.
Additionally, DUSTies (I want to call them DUSTER, as that would mean dorks in Norwegian  ) don't need an interface to hook into all the systems of a spaceship in order to control it with his/her mind and would not have a need for an escape pod. The capsuleer on the other hand, needs the capsule to function as the universal "plug" that will make the connections with the ships systems, making the ship an extention of the body. He/she would need the capsule as an escape pod, should his ship blow up in his face. Should his capsule also blow up in his face, he would need technology within the capsule to be able to instantly transmit his brain-data to the medical facility that holds his next clone, and that can be 100's of lightyears away.
Just because DUSTies are immortal, doesn't mean their clones are as refined as ours. We need the refinement to be able to integrate with the pod/ship, while they need to get back in the fight as fast as possible, which to me hints towards quantity over quality.
DUSTies can take our planets, but we still rule the heavens 
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.06.10 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
CCP have already confirmed that this was just fluff.
CCP has confirmed they have planetary bombardment working at this moment on internal test servers, what they said was going to come later was planetary defense killing dreads.
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.06.10 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Nemesis Factor
We sit in pods all day while our bodies atrophy and the only upgrades we get are mental ones.
The pods systems prevent atrophy and necrosis, while also nourishing the body. Your probably in better health stepping out of a pod then when you got in.
On the other hand has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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Sader Rykane
Amarr
Midnight Sentinels
Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.10 10:55:00 -
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Have any of you read the lore? It's not CLONING that makes us special, it's our ability to control ships without becoming MIND LOCKED that makes us special.
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ACE Scan
Minmatar
The Galactic Guard
SRS.
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Posted - 2011.06.10 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane
makes us special.
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special
You are indeed special
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.06.10 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane
Have any of you read the lore? It's not CLONING that makes us special, it's our ability to control ships without becoming MIND LOCKED that makes us special.
This
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As for this chatter about orbital bombardment/planetary defence. I hope this is implemented, and I hope it catches on and is popular.
You know why?
One word: Deathstars 
I demand satisfaction CCP, and I will not be satisfied until I have a doomsday device capable of ruining the days of thousands of console players simultaneously
...oh wait
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.06.10 12:06:00 -
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I say we request, nay, DEMAND the ability to fly our ships right down to the atmosphere and "clear" our sewage tanks. Some people want to nuke them from orbit, I say we hit them with an Icy BM.
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Lin-Young Borovskova
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Posted - 2011.06.10 12:17:00 -
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I'm an demi god, I'm immortal.
I fly powerful machines capable of mass destruction from distances defying all logic.
I command my planet installations and my employees never dare to defy my authority.
They know that my left hand giving them support and comfort, richness and dignity to be the best fathers and husbands.
But they also know my right hand is all mighty and with no other effort than a simple hand shake I can definitively eradicate and turn they life in to nothing but space dust.
"Cancer killed thousands and keeps killing hundreds.Aids killed thousands and keeps killing hundreds. And human economics kill how many every day?" |
Takseen
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Posted - 2011.06.10 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lin-Young Borovskova
I'm an demi god, I'm immortal.
I fly powerful machines capable of mass destruction from distances defying all logic.
Isn't the max targeting range 250km?
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.06.10 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Takseen
Originally by: Lin-Young Borovskova
I'm an demi god, I'm immortal.
I fly powerful machines capable of mass destruction from distances defying all logic.
Isn't the max targeting range 250km?
0-250km, defying all logic since 2003.
On the other hand has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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Jaari Val'Dara
Caldari
Deep Space Nomads Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.10 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ingvar Angst
I say we request, nay, DEMAND the ability to fly our ships right down to the atmosphere and "clear" our sewage tanks. Some people want to nuke them from orbit, I say we hit them with an Icy BM.
Only if I can bring chimera to Luminaire and fly it into Gallente Prime.
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