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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.11 15:04:00 -
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EVE market data is not a record of what happened.
Its highly manipulated to marginalize the observance change and exceptions.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.06.11 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest EVE market data is not a record of what happened.
Its highly manipulated to marginalize the observance change and exceptions.
The data sanitizing happens at next downtime, you can fetch it before that. Also, over about 1 hundreds charts I have exported, only 1 exhibited a variation in a shadow tall enough that could have altered a trade MM from "keep position going" to "close position".
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Joxxy
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Posted - 2011.06.11 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Seminole Sun The only possible scam I can see is this
Go to some backwater place (a high-sec island would be perfect)
Place a buy order for something (A Phobos as an example) for well above the market value (let's say $200 mil) and you do this from a wallet that just barely has enough to cover the escrow.
Now place a buy order from a legitimate wallet at the same station at a below market price (let's say $150 mil).
Hope somebody buys a shiny new Phobos in Jita and brings it to you to fulfill the $200mil order.
Hope that person tries to fill and can't and then sees the "second best" and decides that's good enough.
Now you've got a Phobos that you bought for $150 mil and you can sell back for $170 mil in Jita.
Seems like an awful lot of work to go through. And it's awfully speculative (that trader could just say "screw it" and leave with the Phobos.
Im so glad people decide NOT to read all the posts and the post BS ...
Should suck a scenarion happends, once you sell that Phobos in Jita original owner ( the one that sold you the Phobos in lonely station ) would receive rest of his ISK.
Its not something you can controle, it simply happends.
What you could do is contract Phobos to some other char and sell it. Then delete char that bought Phobos because as soon as he gets ANY ISK it will go to seller that you tried to scam !
Dont see this as profitable venture though ... Considering how much time and effort it would take anything lower then a cap is pointless and even that is marginaly pointless.
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Rhivre
Caldari TarNec
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Posted - 2011.06.11 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: Rhivre on 11/06/2011 16:18:38 Edited by: Rhivre on 11/06/2011 16:18:04 As I understand it, it goes a little like this: I have an overpriced (or so it would normally seem) phobos in a lonely station, then 2 jumps away I have a buy order up for the same ship, only WAY above the sell order, on station only. After putting up buy order, I empty wallet.
You see buy order, go "lol, lazy guy willing to pay lots of money"
You hop 2 jumps, buy phobos....hop back, try to sell...."That order no longer exists"
I have isk from the sale, and you now have a phobos you are unlikely to get rid of for a profit.
However, usually this is done with say 100 items...so, unless the guy is stupid, you can sell him 24 (as escrow covers 24%)...usually they put up 100 items minimum quantity 100.
The general protection is "if it looks too good to be true, it probably is"
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Cetus Perle Rote
EVE Financial Services and Insurance
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Posted - 2011.06.11 18:27:00 -
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Margin Trading
Confirming I am a scammer.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.11 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Ghoest EVE market data is not a record of what happened.
Its highly manipulated to marginalize the observance change and exceptions.
The data sanitizing happens at next downtime, you can fetch it before that. Also, over about 1 hundreds charts I have exported, only 1 exhibited a variation in a shadow tall enough that could have altered a trade MM from "keep position going" to "close position".
The significance of the modifications really depend on the product. Its enough to make the data worthless for some items depending on what you want to know especially items with a wide range between buy and sell prices.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Adjunta Tungsten
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Posted - 2011.06.11 22:08:00 -
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I love these Scammers, someone was offering a frigate at 40 mil and the real price he was asking was 4 bill. ;)
Sorts out those with braincells and the ones with a single-digit figure I guess!
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Roguehalo
Caldari Roguehalo Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2011.06.11 23:00:00 -
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The Margin trading skill is without a shadow of a doubt the BEST skill in the game.
Don't moan abut it EMBRACE it :)
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kla samon
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Posted - 2011.06.11 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo The Margin trading skill is without a shadow of a doubt the BEST skill in the game.
Don't moan abut it EMBRACE it :)
This pretty much sums it up.
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Cpt Fina
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2011.06.12 02:49:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Fina on 12/06/2011 02:50:07
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Cpt Fina
2)You have yet to provide any evidence of that the eve market is less liquid than the most illiquid markets where margin trading is provided.
I don't want to enter in yet another MD wikipedia experts thread, but I'd like to point out how a quick glance to most EvE markets data tells that the markets are liquid about as much as low liquidity stocks.
Oh? You are referring to the thread where...
I cited the most respected scholars and scholarly journals in the world
and
you cited wikipedia and a beginners guide in trading?
Yes, as you might have noticed I did leave that thread since your answer was as incoherent and circumventive as can be.
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Looking at an OHLC chart would reveal that even some EvE markets considered liquid, show an amount of gaps, large candles and tall candle shadows / wicks that suggest low liquidity.
And you prove my point just by opening your own mouth once again.
Just like in the thread you are reffering to, your statements tell tales about the lack of undertading you posses in this area. You are talking about asset price volatility not liquidity.
Do you want me to give you the basic measures used to measure liquidity in scientific papers or are you gonna drift away in some defensive and incoherent rant again?
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Aqriue
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Posted - 2011.06.12 04:08:00 -
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Simple counter to scams.
1. Do not buy items off market and relist, best way to loose money. Item may never sell fast enough or you are buying WAY over price of the actual value because you think you saw a buy order WAY over what you actually paid for it. 2. Set your own buy orders and sell orders, then stick with them. Station trade or move goods to another hub (fringe hubs like Orvolle from Dodixie). You will rarely loose money this way. 3. If you happen to see something that looks to good to be true, CHECK YOUR INVENTORY. See if you already have this item laying around, don't go buying it up all over the region. First clue its probably a bad idea, if you had this item that you bought for 10k 3 weeks ago and happen to see a buy order for 100k but it doesn't fill, you will only loose a little time trying to move it because it happened to be a scam.
Friend of mine got burned a week ago and I had already told him to keep an eye on volume requets, nobody normally sets a buy order for 1 million minimum at one market transaction , thats a good way to not make a profit or its a scam.
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Mu-Shi Ai
The Chrysalis Group
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Posted - 2011.06.12 05:02:00 -
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Anybody will the least amount of arbitrage sense should know that the risk always exists that you'll get your goods to their sell point, and the buy orders will be gone, or whatever else. This is no different, except that the rug has been pulled out from under you (a) by design and (b) at the very last moment. So while I understand very well how highly frustrating it must feel to be duped like that, I don't understand at all how somebody can define it as an "exploit."
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.06.12 05:10:00 -
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if it looks too good to be true it probably is
you can't cheat an honest man
yada yada
Don't trade what you don't have personal experience and memory about in the market in any large scale
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2011.06.12 12:15:00 -
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Can some1 save me from reading the walls of text and tell me if the OP has been educated now and understands how the Margin trading skill works?
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