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Aflonz Kep
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Posted - 2011.06.10 18:55:00 -
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Free BAN VUK LAU!
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.10 18:58:00 -
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Years of accusing Vuk/MM of RMTing, and this is exactly all you have to show for it?
Okay.
I'm stepping back so everybody in the background can fill the air with **** because they saw words about RMT. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Marcus Fey
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Posted - 2011.06.10 19:02:00 -
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looks conclusive enough to me ..... but anymore fanboys wanna sping to his defence ?
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.10 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Fey looks conclusive enough to me ..... but anymore fanboys wanna sping to his defence ?
You consider that to be conclusive?
Don't read the next part of my thread
NC are dirty RMTers DRF are dirty RMTers OP is a dirty RMTer SirMolle is a dirty RMTer. I am a dirty RMTer.
We all used to get X euro for Y Billion. Now we get 0.5X euro for Y billion. Its true because you are reading this on the OFFICIAL GAME FORUMS. FOR TOTAL LEGITIMACY. One hundred percent truth.
Does Vuk have the opportunity and the motive to be the dirty RMTer anybody who considered themselves anti-NC can only dream about? Sure. But for gods sake, don't present :words: to show as definite proof of that. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Marcus Fey
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Posted - 2011.06.10 19:15:00 -
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heh - thats their command channel logs bro
umad .... :)
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The Offerer
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.10 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Othran I don't much care matey - just seems that its thought of as normal, or at worst a little bit dodgy in those communities. People are people but its logical that this WILL happen where people earn less - and perhaps foreign currency is worth way more than the offical rate. The more people that do it the more normal it becomes.
Oh and if I wanted to be anti-Serb I could pick on OOG reasons, but I'm not going to. RMT isn't a racial/country thing - its a language/culture thing IMHO although pay/work has a lot to do with it.
I didn't have the impression that you were in anti-Serb mood. I've just presented you with some info that is different from what you got so far, so you can form a healthy opinion. I don't like knowing only one side of anything, so I've assumed that you would like to have an alternative point of view too.
Yes, I'm familiar with "cyrillic" RTM web sites, mainly with ISK Bank scandal from evenews24 report. I haven't really looked deep enough to find the other sites, nor do I plan visiting them. It's CCP's job to do it and I'm already doing enough for the community by disclosing info about bot networks.
Concerning Serbian EVE community, you'd be surprised to know how few of Serbs are actually playing EVE. The most accurate and official info is from CSM 5 election results devblog from last summer:
Quote: Serbia had the overall highest attendance, with 28.98% of its 383 subscribers voting.
A majority of those players are in corps that are all around EVE: Pandemic Legion, Circle-Of-Two, The G0dfathers, Morsus Mihi... and those are only 0.0 players. This playerbase that is spread all around EVE and mostly red to each other, simply don't have the capacity to be massively involved in RMT. The real RMT, for example, comes from people that are running bot networks that count in hundreds of subscribed accounts, as shown in my bot network report. Ofc. there could be some individuals that are dealing with RMT, but not more than in UK community, for example.
A cooperation between Serbian and Russian EVE community has one nasty problem. Believe it or not, it's a language barrier. Yes, Russians use cyrillic letters, but they use their own version witch is pretty hard to read. It's like comparing English and German -they are both West Germanic languages that have some similarities, but are very different with Germans having some letters that English language simply don't have. As a native English speaker who has never learned German, one can kinda understand something written in German, but I can imagine that you'd need to have some formal education before you can actually use it. Because of the fact that in all schools in Serbia English is mandatory as a foreign language class and 90%+ have German and French as second language, you can see than not many Serbs are fluent in Russian or that we could use it every day. This is the reason why you can't see large number of Serbian players or corporations in Russian alliances or coalitions that have a majority of Russian players in it. This is also the reason why Serbian EVE community is not involved in "Cyrillic RMT web sites". There might be individual cases, just like in any other community, but it's far from being widespread and accepted as a normal behavior.
Lastly, about the correlation between RMT and the economy. Serbia is a developing economy on its way to join EU. Most of the guys I know that play EVE, and I know a lot of them, have Bachelor Degree or higher with well payed jobs. Yes, many people here are poor, but those guys can't afford to invest in a decent computer or Internet connection to be involved massively in botting and RMT. The vast majority of us who play MMOs including EVE, play for the same reason everyone else play - to have fun and get away from RL stuff.
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Moonlight Express
Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.10 19:29:00 -
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Edited by: Moonlight Express on 10/06/2011 19:32:27
Originally by: Patient 2428190
Originally by: Marcus Fey looks conclusive enough to me ..... but anymore fanboys wanna sping to his defence ?
You consider that to be conclusive?
Don't read the next part of my thread
NC are dirty RMTers DRF are dirty RMTers OP is a dirty RMTer SirMolle is a dirty RMTer. I am a dirty RMTer.
We all used to get X euro for Y Billion. Now we get 0.5X euro for Y billion. Its true because you are reading this on the OFFICIAL GAME FORUMS. FOR TOTAL LEGITIMACY. One hundred percent truth.
Does Vuk have the opportunity and the motive to be the dirty RMTer anybody who considered themselves anti-NC can only dream about? Sure. But for gods sake, don't present :words: to show as definite proof of that.
All Vuk has to do is tell everyone where did all the moon ISK gone. That's the real evidence. The logs just confirm what everyone already knows. And the reason people are bent about it is because he's the one that used the whole RMT card to get his pigeons rallied against the russians, while he was doing exactly what he was accusing others of doing. Worse, he was a CSM that supposed to be fighting RMT, but instead he used his members for lining his own pockets. There really is not anything worst in this game than that. That's what I call corp/alliance thieving of the worst kind.
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Aflonz Kep
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Posted - 2011.06.10 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190 But for gods sake, don't present :words: to show as definite proof of that.
In light of those :words: i'd hope he's under serious investigation at present. If not, what is required to look into such things? A photo copy of his identification, picture of himself holding cash with a sign that says "got this with moon-goo isk," and three CCP employees as personal witness?
This isn't a case of personal vendettas and there ARE many more RMT shops, but making a high-profile bust is never a bad thing. The shmuck deserves a permaban like every other RMT-linked account in the game.
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Rikter Akiga
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Posted - 2011.06.10 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190 *snip* for gods sake, don't present :words: to show as definite proof of that.
i dont think just whats shown in this thread should be basis to ban him. HOWEVER there are too many unanswered questions (where did all that moon goo isk go? sales from selling supers/ect) and where there's smoke....
CCP has sat on their hands for far too long to continue to let the RMT issue slide....
what this SHOULD be is basis to do is go over his accounts with a fine toothed comb. if he's guilty, whack em with the ban hammer. hard. I know i for one will be watching.
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Holy One
Quiet.Storm Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.10 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Aflonz Kep
Originally by: Patient 2428190 But for gods sake, don't present :words: to show as definite proof of that.
In light of those :words: i'd hope he's under serious investigation at present. If not, what is required to look into such things? A photo copy of his identification, picture of himself holding cash with a sign that says "got this with moon-goo isk," and three CCP employees as personal witness?
This isn't a case of personal vendettas and there ARE many more RMT shops, but making a high-profile bust is never a bad thing. The shmuck deserves a permaban like every other RMT-linked account in the game.
CCP already caught and executed Vuk Lau years ago. Its a conspiracy!
BBQ makes me hungry for more... |
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Satallius
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Posted - 2011.06.10 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Rikter Akiga
Originally by: Patient 2428190 *snip* for gods sake, don't present :words: to show as definite proof of that.
i dont think just whats shown in this thread should be basis to ban him. HOWEVER there are too many unanswered questions (where did all that moon goo isk go? sales from selling supers/ect) and where there's smoke....
CCP has sat on their hands for far too long to continue to let the RMT issue slide....
what this SHOULD be is basis to do is go over his accounts with a fine toothed comb. if he's guilty, whack em with the ban hammer. hard. I know i for one will be watching.
How is it not a basis to ban him? In the log he talks about getting 40 euros per billion ISK...isn't that an open shut case? What more do you need to be convinced he's guilty? Were you a juror on the OJ simpson trial?
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.10 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Moonlight Express All Vuk has to do is tell everyone where did all the moon ISK gone. That's the real evidence. The logs just confirm what everyone already knows.
We don't *know* either way. Its all speculation. You really want it to be true, I'm guessing.
Also, ISK missing doesn't mean RMT conclusively either. A likely culprit, I'll give you that, but not the only answer to missing ISK.
...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
northwesten
Amarr Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2011.06.10 20:11:00 -
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If people pay me with doughnuts does that mean I am RMTing? ------------------------------------
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Rikter Akiga
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Posted - 2011.06.10 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Satallius
Originally by: Rikter Akiga
Originally by: Patient 2428190 *snip* for gods sake, don't present :words: to show as definite proof of that.
i dont think just whats shown in this thread should be basis to ban him. HOWEVER there are too many unanswered questions (where did all that moon goo isk go? sales from selling supers/ect) and where there's smoke....
CCP has sat on their hands for far too long to continue to let the RMT issue slide....
what this SHOULD be is basis to do is go over his accounts with a fine toothed comb. if he's guilty, whack em with the ban hammer. hard. I know i for one will be watching.
How is it not a basis to ban him? In the log he talks about getting 40 euros per billion ISK...isn't that an open shut case? What more do you need to be convinced he's guilty? Were you a juror on the OJ simpson trial?
its not as easy as CCP looking over a possibly altered chat log and going "hmmm, looks good enough, ban him *whack*" I would hope they would conduct their own investigation.
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Shani Zera
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2011.06.10 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Satallius How is it not a basis to ban him? In the log he talks about getting 40 euros per billion ISK...isn't that an open shut case? What more do you need to be convinced he's guilty? Were you a juror on the OJ simpson trial?
Do you know what a troll is? Do you know what sarcasm is?
I mean, seriously dude...you think a few sentences in a single log are sufficient proof for banning someone? What if he was joking, or trolling, or being sarcastic?
Because, you know, that's not exactly hard to imagine in a troll-tastic community like EVE, particularly within the 0.0 political blocs... |
Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.10 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: northwesten If people pay me with doughnuts does that mean I am RMTing?
No, it means you're a fat little piggy-wiggy
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Holy One
Quiet.Storm Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.10 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
No, it means you're a fat little piggy-wiggy
2nd best sentence posted on eveo.
o7
BBQ makes me hungry for more... |
Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.06.10 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Satallius
Originally by: Rikter Akiga
Originally by: Patient 2428190 *snip* for gods sake, don't present :words: to show as definite proof of that.
i dont think just whats shown in this thread should be basis to ban him. HOWEVER there are too many unanswered questions (where did all that moon goo isk go? sales from selling supers/ect) and where there's smoke....
CCP has sat on their hands for far too long to continue to let the RMT issue slide....
what this SHOULD be is basis to do is go over his accounts with a fine toothed comb. if he's guilty, whack em with the ban hammer. hard. I know i for one will be watching.
How is it not a basis to ban him? In the log he talks about getting 40 euros per billion ISK...isn't that an open shut case? What more do you need to be convinced he's guilty? Were you a juror on the OJ simpson trial?
Because everything you read on the internet is true right? - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring |
Kai'il Bhaal
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Posted - 2011.06.10 21:07:00 -
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I heard vuk bought a shiny new Lexus with some of his RMT monies.
C/D? |
NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.06.10 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: DeODokktor ZOMG Proof on the interwibble... Wonder what else you can find for proof
ok....that has to be a troll right? People really aren't that dumb right?
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Hiroshi Nagasaki
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Posted - 2011.06.10 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis Busted
Where is your anti-DRF propaganda now?
and? I may be wrong.. but I think nearly all thoose rich Ally Leader are RMT'ler ... so Vuk Lau gone... and what u think about the DRF that have now all the Tech?
8b-10b a month gives 1 Tech Moon.... |
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.10 21:56:00 -
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Accusations of EULA violations belong in a petition and not on the forums. Thread locked.
Zymurgist Community Representative CCP NA, EVE Online Contact Us |
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