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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.11 05:30:00 -
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I know it's old news, but either I missed a RP-rage over this or there wasn't one or it got drowned by all the rage over Dust.
Anyway..
I really DON'T LIKE the capsule disembarking as it's currently available on Sisi.
It's at the docking ledge/control/hangar balcony and in public space. It's embarrassing and afaik not according to lore.
Give me a door like the current door to access the arcade, write "Capsule Room" over it and lock it. I'd rather don't see anything of this at all instead of this warped and unrealistic design/vision you did came up with. At the moment I try to blank this part of the hangar balcony mentally out, but that's not how this was intended, or is it CCP?
Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody! |
Mina Sulva'r
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.11 05:42:00 -
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I hope you know the title of the thread was so misleading. This could have gone places. 0/10
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.11 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Mina Sulva'r I hope you know the title of the thread was so misleading. This could have gone places. 0/10
agreed
Originally by: Xenuria
I don't need a LICENSE to take a photoshooped image and lay it on top of the game client and make pretend my character is naked.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.11 05:54:00 -
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"Am I supposed to walk naked and smeared over with goo in public?"
yes
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Adacia Calla
Minmatar Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita
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Posted - 2011.06.11 06:28:00 -
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....I actually like having it there... :(
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.11 07:12:00 -
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Originally by: Adacia Calla ....I actually like having it there... :(
Hm..
Ok, I gotta ask.. slimy Exhibitionist or slimy Voyeur?
Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody! |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.06.11 07:22:00 -
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I just pretend the video clip with priestesses flocking to me after disembarking, washing me down with sponges, drying me with silk cloth and dressing me in my robes is merely been ommitted for the sake of the teen rating. -------- Due to bandwidth streamlining, signature images are no longer displayed. Follow this link to view the image. |
BLACK-STAR
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Posted - 2011.06.11 08:16:00 -
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I think CCP fell flat on this pod thing exit/enter thing... really its down a ladder you can't climb. I figured there would be a room chamber, and you entered your pod through picture 1. And your pod was to shoot up into your ship from the abyss of the hanger's pit your ship floats above..
No... you can't ever be nude and drop out of the pod chamber. You have to imagine this yourself and appear in the station from no where.
CCP is a bit of a derp.
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Scarlet des Loupes
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2011.06.11 08:19:00 -
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I also made this point before.
You're leasving your pod in full sight of your ship. I don't really like the idea of my ship crew clapping and cheering while I fall out of my pod naked, covered in slimy goo.
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Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
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Posted - 2011.06.11 08:23:00 -
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Edited by: Riley Moore on 11/06/2011 08:23:44 Least your character is a woman.. Speaking for most of us guys with male characters: Thank god we aren't pushed out butt naked covered in goo.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.11 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar I just pretend the video clip with priestesses flocking to me after disembarking, washing me down with sponges, drying me with silk cloth and dressing me in my robes is merely been ommitted for the sake of the teen rating.
I like your thinking.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.11 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Abrazzar I just pretend the video clip with priestesses flocking to me after disembarking, washing me down with sponges, drying me with silk cloth and dressing me in my robes is merely been ommitted for the sake of the teen rating.
I like your thinking.
Aren't you fortunate then? Three lady characters all to yourself, why you can even play with yourself all day.
♫ When your ship gets blown to bits ♫ And you lose your Faction fits \☻/ Don't worry ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ Be Happy \☻/ |
baltec1
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Posted - 2011.06.11 09:32:00 -
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Wouldn't be the first time I stood naked in public covered in something sticky...
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Sadayiel
Caldari Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.06.11 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Riley Moore Edited by: Riley Moore on 11/06/2011 08:23:44 Least your character is a woman.. Speaking for most of us guys with male characters: Thank god we aren't pushed out butt naked covered in goo.
This plus the images just bring me the idea.
CCP we want those TRANSPARENT suits with black lines from FUTURAMA!!!
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Phobos Kashada
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Posted - 2011.06.11 10:02:00 -
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Where'd those clothes come from? I don't remember them on Duality when the shop was being tested
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.11 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Phobos Kashada Where'd those clothes come from? I don't remember them on Duality when the shop was being tested
The two pics on top are from an old (2008? 2009?) fanfest vid.
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Jacob Holland
Gallente Weyland-Vulcan Industries Brotherhood Of The Sick and Twisted
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Posted - 2011.06.11 10:28:00 -
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The "pod room" would not only have been better for our dignity, the current pod placement is a health and safety nightmare...
Let me think, where's the best place to put a well lubricated naked person who's still trying to remember how to use their legs? Bingo! I'll put them on a metal gantry over a huge drop. What could possibly go wrong? --
Originally by: cordy
Respect to IAC .Your one of the few people who truly deserve to own and live in the space you are in.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.11 10:38:00 -
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Just 10 days.. damn, don't think this will change.
Only hope I got: The current CQ on Sisi is Minmatar only. And as we know from barbarians, they are primitive.. thus the capsule embarking right at the docking ledge might suit those anima.. aeh *cough* ..fine fellow capsulers. If we look at the pictures that feature a capsule room, the interior is Gallente and so far we haven't seen a Gallente docking ledge, or?
Is it too late to pray to some deity?
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.06.11 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar I just pretend the video clip with priestesses flocking to me after disembarking, washing me down with sponges, drying me with silk cloth and dressing me in my robes is merely been ommitted for the sake of the teen rating.
This, except for me the priestesses are female interns and the robes are instead a well tailored business suit. On the other hand has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? ________________________________________________
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Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.06.11 11:26:00 -
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I think if CCP wants to truly embody the full sci-fi universe it will have to drop the teen rating. I imagine amarr stations to essentially have cattle markets for slaves brutalised. Gallente stations to have a veneer of egalitarian respectability but I always imagined that to only be superficial and beneath the surface there is a great deal of corruption and inequity. I am sure people can imagine the foibles that other races would have. And if eve keeps expanding in such away it it only a matter of time before cities on planets are fully explorable. To maintain the sense of dystopia I imagine new eden to be we will HAVE to move to a more adult oriented rating i feel.
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dead hamster
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Posted - 2011.06.11 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Christopher AET I think if CCP wants to truly embody the full sci-fi universe it will have to drop the teen rating. I imagine amarr stations to essentially have cattle markets for slaves brutalised. Gallente stations to have a veneer of egalitarian respectability but I always imagined that to only be superficial and beneath the surface there is a great deal of corruption and inequity. I am sure people can imagine the foibles that other races would have. And if eve keeps expanding in such away it it only a matter of time before cities on planets are fully explorable. To maintain the sense of dystopia I imagine new eden to be we will HAVE to move to a more adult oriented rating i feel.
planet side expansion is called dust 514
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Denaris Aschanna
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Posted - 2011.06.11 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Riley Moore Edited by: Riley Moore on 11/06/2011 08:23:44 Least your character is a woman.. Speaking for most of us guys with male characters: Thank god we aren't pushed out butt naked covered in goo.
Speak for youself, honey!
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.11 12:36:00 -
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Their was/is plenty of RP rage about this... but it's mainly being drowned out by the RP rage about being forced to de-pod every damn time you dock... __________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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Cara Rahl
Caldari Ore Reallocation Services
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Posted - 2011.06.11 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Scarlet des Loupes You're leasving your pod in full sight of your ship. I don't really like the idea of my ship crew clapping and cheering while I fall out of my pod naked, covered in slimy goo.
No? You don't like that? hmmm...
(silent break)
Something is wrong with you.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.11 13:15:00 -
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Why not just leave the pod dressed already.
Inside the pod is a small storage compartment where you store your clothes.
As you dock the goo is removed and replaced by a breathable atmosphere and tubes connecting you to the pod are disconnected, you then have a sonic shower whilst still in the pod and the waste is removed from the pod. You get dressed and leave the pod.
When preparing to leave you undress in the pod and put the clothes into the storage compartment, reconnect to the pod then goo is injected into the pod.
Or alternatively you walk into a cubical as you disembark from the pod and have your shower and get dressed before entering the station.
There lots of ways you can PR it, you don't have to be given it set in stone, if there are gaps just fill them in with your imagination.
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S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2011.06.11 13:21:00 -
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Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 11/06/2011 13:24:49
Yes, this has been raised before, but I'm glad you posted it again because CCP still hasn't done anything about it. We're still waiting for CCP to fix this -- or at least comment on it -- but they have a bad habit of ignoring us when they know they've fu¬ked up.
Their attitude lately is very post-Dominion/pre-Tyrannis: "shut up and play and we'll do whatever we want!"
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ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.11 13:38:00 -
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I really mistook this for a space couch!
It looks like a head rest on top of an office chair backrest.
Make it adhere to your own fricken lore CCP! ______________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
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CCP Manifest
C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.11 13:40:00 -
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Upon reading the subject of this thread, I find it necessary before reading the actual post or the replies to go ahead and say... no, you are not supposed to do that.
Local authorities in most countries do not look kindly upon it.
CCP Manifest Public Relations and Social Media|| Iniquitous Brute |
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S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2011.06.11 13:40:00 -
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It just looks awkward, bad, and out of place.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.11 13:51:00 -
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CCP are a complete joke and don't give a damn about immersion. ~~~
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.11 13:55:00 -
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Edited by: Soden Rah on 11/06/2011 13:55:58
Originally by: CCP Manifest Upon reading the subject of this thread, I find it necessary before reading the actual post or the replies to go ahead and say... no, you are not supposed to do that.
Local authorities in most countries do not look kindly upon it.
I have absolutely no problem with CCP responses like this... Its funny and harmless...
But why is it that thread after thread of real concerns and legitimate questions, (in this case the actual point of the OP) get no answer at all?
Would you mind giving a follow-up to this post, after actually having read it [the OP] and it's replies, actually responding to the central point?
Also this and this might be worth looking at responding to as well... __________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
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Posted - 2011.06.11 14:47:00 -
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I hear they like this kind of thing in Japan.
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Stitcher
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.11 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Soden Rah why is it that thread after thread of real concerns and legitimate questions, (in this case the actual point of the OP) get no answer at all?
Because they have a sensible corporate policy of not commenting unless their comment is A) constructive, B) accurate, C) necessary, and D) authorized. -
- Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
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Wilhelm Riley
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Posted - 2011.06.11 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Soden Rah
But why is it that thread after thread of real concerns and legitimate questions, (in this case the actual point of the OP) get no answer at all?
In an industry such as this, changing even insignificant details can be disastrous and an offhand comment by some random person at CCP can cause rumors that persist for months or even years. Thus, it's better that they keep their mouths shut rather than replying to what may seem like important threads so as not to spend weeks dealing with collateral damage should any one of a thousand details change in the meantime.
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Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.06.11 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: dead hamster
Originally by: Christopher AET I think if CCP wants to truly embody the full sci-fi universe it will have to drop the teen rating. I imagine amarr stations to essentially have cattle markets for slaves brutalised. Gallente stations to have a veneer of egalitarian respectability but I always imagined that to only be superficial and beneath the surface there is a great deal of corruption and inequity. I am sure people can imagine the foibles that other races would have. And if eve keeps expanding in such away it it only a matter of time before cities on planets are fully explorable. To maintain the sense of dystopia I imagine new eden to be we will HAVE to move to a more adult oriented rating i feel.
planet side expansion is called dust 514
The planetside combat is in dust 514. I was referring to a more general and long term planetside stuff. Besides ps3 won't be around for long.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.11 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Wilhelm Riley
Originally by: Soden Rah But why is it that thread after thread of real concerns and legitimate questions, (in this case the actual point of the OP) get no answer at all?
In an industry such as this, changing even insignificant details can be disastrous and an offhand comment by some random person at CCP can cause rumors that persist for months or even years. Thus, it's better that they keep their mouths shut rather than replying to what may seem like important threads so as not to spend weeks dealing with collateral damage should any one of a thousand details change in the meantime.
Well, how much worse can it come? Look at the XBOX/PC vs PS3 rage.. CCP said from the start "Consoles only", multiplatform if possible.
Anyway.. I hope it's really just the Minmatar stations where this is happening from a RP point of view. I prefer Caldari/Gallente stations at the moment and maybe the capsule room from 3 years ago survived somehow and makes it. Can't really imagine an Amarr capsuler getting out of his pod where everyone can see him..
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Alec Freeman
Minmatar Deadspace Knights Matari Visionary Coalition
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Posted - 2011.06.11 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest Upon reading the subject of this thread, I find it necessary before reading the actual post or the replies to go ahead and say... no, you are not supposed to do that.
Local authorities in most countries do not look kindly upon it.
Really? Dam. What about if im cosplaying as a pod pilot?
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.11 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
Originally by: Soden Rah why is it that thread after thread of real concerns and legitimate questions, (in this case the actual point of the OP) get no answer at all?
Because they have a sensible corporate policy of not commenting unless their comment is A) constructive, B) accurate, C) necessary, and D) authorized.
That is no excuse, their comments should be constructive, accurate, necessary and authorized, they shouldn't be non existent.
There are many ways they could communicate without breaking any of those rules, and on odd occasions they do respond with useful replies.
In this instance the question is "why have you put the pod on the end of a ladder in the middle of the hanger, which contradicts your lore and common sense, instead of the nice room we saw demonstrated in the fanfest videos from a couple of years back?"
I don't see that it's impossible to answer that question in a way that doesn't violate your/their rules.
Given the bad feeling and rumourmongering generated by the silence, carefully constructed replies have got to be better. __________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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CCP Manifest
C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.11 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank CCP are a complete joke and don't give a damn about immersion.
What kind of immersion would satisfy someone named Lady Spank?
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CCP Manifest
C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.11 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Alec Freeman
Originally by: CCP Manifest Upon reading the subject of this thread, I find it necessary before reading the actual post or the replies to go ahead and say... no, you are not supposed to do that.
Local authorities in most countries do not look kindly upon it.
Really? Dam. What about if im cosplaying as a pod pilot?
That's cool as long as you have a doctor's note from CCP Oveur.
CCP Manifest Public Relations and Social Media|| Iniquitous Brute |
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Lithel
Taking a break from Eve Online
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Posted - 2011.06.11 15:42:00 -
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I don't get it.
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.11 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Alec Freeman
Originally by: CCP Manifest Upon reading the subject of this thread, I find it necessary before reading the actual post or the replies to go ahead and say... no, you are not supposed to do that.
Local authorities in most countries do not look kindly upon it.
Really? Dam. What about if im cosplaying as a pod pilot?
Can you "cos"play as someone who is naked?
It would be very inexpensive I will grant you that... Until you get fined of course.... __________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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Tali Ambraelle
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Posted - 2011.06.11 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: Lady Spank CCP are a complete joke and don't give a damn about immersion.
What kind of immersion would satisfy someone named Lady Spank?
+1
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.11 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: Lady Spank CCP are a complete joke and don't give a damn about immersion.
What kind of immersion would satisfy someone named Lady Spank?
I have characters I role play on. This is a PVP char. Thanks for skirting the issue yet again. ~~~
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.06.11 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar I just pretend the video clip with priestesses flocking to me after disembarking, washing me down with sponges, drying me with silk cloth and dressing me in my robes is merely been ommitted for the sake of the teen rating.
seems i'm not the only one who though about egyptians after reading OP
btw CCP, i'm becoming to wonder if the 21th june we'll have the 4CQ or only the minmatar... 10 days and still not visible... and with 1 or 4 different CQ it wouldn't affect what you said, as anyway "incarna" would be live.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.11 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank CCP are a complete joke and don't give a damn about immersion.
I'm afraid I'm forced to agree with LS.
Immersion has taken a big hit lately, and I love RP.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.11 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest Upon reading the subject of this thread, I find it necessary before reading the actual post or the replies to go ahead and say... no, you are not supposed to do that.
Local authorities in most countries do not look kindly upon it.
Can we please have a complete moratorium on snarky, "humorous" comments from CCP that don't actually address the issue the thread was created to raise?
Yes? We can? CCP will stop doing this?
Thank you. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.06.11 17:04:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 11/06/2011 17:04:18
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: CCP Manifest Upon reading the subject of this thread, I find it necessary before reading the actual post or the replies to go ahead and say... no, you are not supposed to do that.
Local authorities in most countries do not look kindly upon it.
Can we please have a complete moratorium on snarky, "humorous" comments from CCP that don't actually address the issue the thread was created to raise?
Yes? We can? CCP will stop doing this?
Thank you.
I actually like comments that show me CCP pays any attention to their forums at all. And furthermore, Manifest has been.. manifestly helpful in more than a small number of threads. TBQFH, lighten the **** up. The thread isn't "serious", and doesn't deserve the dignity of a reasonable response. Stop *****ing for the sake of *****ing, Spank. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
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Selinate
Amarr Mocking Birds
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Posted - 2011.06.11 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: CCP Manifest Upon reading the subject of this thread, I find it necessary before reading the actual post or the replies to go ahead and say... no, you are not supposed to do that.
Local authorities in most countries do not look kindly upon it.
Can we please have a complete moratorium on snarky, "humorous" comments from CCP that don't actually address the issue the thread was created to raise?
Yes? We can? CCP will stop doing this?
Thank you.
No, we can't. I'm finding it too amusing that CCP is finally prodding the whiners on this forum.
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Pytria Le'Danness
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Posted - 2011.06.11 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Selinate
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: CCP Manifest ...
Can we please have a complete moratorium on snarky, "humorous" comments from CCP that don't actually address the issue the thread was created to raise?
Yes? We can? CCP will stop doing this?
Thank you.
No, we can't. I'm finding it too amusing that CCP is finally prodding the whiners on this forum.
I agree, why should CCP employees be forbidden to have a sense of humor?
However I strongly recommend NOT looking for that doctor's note from Dr. Oveur. The reason? Sorry, I scrubbed that image out of my brain.
As for the OP, I agree completely. And to add insult to injury the walkway is just a metal grate. Lubricated or not, it will hurt like heck to walk there barefooted.
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Scarlet des Loupes
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2011.06.11 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness And to add insult to injury the walkway is just a metal grate. Lubricated or not, it will hurt like heck to walk there barefooted.
I also refuse to take slippers with me into my pod! It's an outrage!
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Hayaku Codolle
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Posted - 2011.06.11 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank CCP are a complete joke and don't give a damn about immersion.
but but but but...
incarna is all about immersion... right ccp?
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Ische Qou
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Posted - 2011.06.11 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Hayaku Codolle
Originally by: Lady Spank CCP are a complete joke and don't give a damn about immersion.
but but but but...
incarna is all about immersion... right ccp?
Immersion into transparent goo.
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Valerie Valate
Amarr Church of The Crimson Saviour
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Posted - 2011.06.11 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: Lady Spank CCP are a complete joke and don't give a damn about immersion.
What kind of immersion would satisfy someone named Lady Spank?
If you go with the idea that many characters use a nickname or callsign, then "Lady Spank" is as immersive as any other name, and considerably better than many. _________________________________________
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Selinate
Amarr Mocking Birds
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Posted - 2011.06.11 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Valerie Valate
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: Lady Spank CCP are a complete joke and don't give a damn about immersion.
What kind of immersion would satisfy someone named Lady Spank?
If you go with the idea that many characters use a nickname or callsign, then "Lady Spank" is as immersive as any other name, and considerably better than many.
....The joke was more about the name itself than how realistic the name itself was....
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Katrina Oniseki
Caldari 0rizen 0rizen Nation
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Posted - 2011.06.11 20:19:00 -
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Serious reply.
Maybe the pod on the balcony is just a holdover until CCP can iterate on Incarna and add more rooms to your CQ? They have talked a lot about customizable CQ that you can upgrade and expand on, etc. Perhaps a private capsule room is something you will need to buy with AUR (cue more whining), or maybe it will just be added in a later free expansion to EVE.
I think considering Incarna is so new it's not even fully released yet, we should keep in mind that what goes today might not be here later on. At least, that's my hopeful theory regarding stepping out of my pod in my skivvies on the balcony.
Just a thought.
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Flesh Slurper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.11 20:22:00 -
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Whats wrong with being naked in public? Seriously only Amarr people can complain.
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Scarlet des Loupes
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2011.06.11 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Flesh Slurper Whats wrong with being naked in public? Seriously only Amarr people can complain.
But would you also want to be naked in Amarr public? ;)
Where's little Simon when you need him ...
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.11 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Katrina Oniseki Serious reply.
Maybe the pod on the balcony is just a holdover until CCP can iterate on Incarna and add more rooms to your CQ? They have talked a lot about customizable CQ that you can upgrade and expand on, etc. Perhaps a private capsule room is something you will need to buy with AUR (cue more whining), or maybe it will just be added in a later free expansion to EVE.
I think considering Incarna is so new it's not even fully released yet, we should keep in mind that what goes today might not be here later on. At least, that's my hopeful theory regarding stepping out of my pod in my skivvies on the balcony.
Just a thought.
It might... But we don't know unless ccp actually you know... tell us.
Until they deign to actually communicate with us all we have to go on is what they are doing on SiSi... If they see us complaining like mad about stuff that's just place-holder... why not say so? __________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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Xenuria
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.11 21:01:00 -
[60]
I think the immersion breaker is that I can't get completely naked in my CQ. I am a nudist irl and I often enjoy sunbathing with friends and frolicking in the nude. I certainly do not wear clothes when I am in my CQ IRL so why should I in game?
Also why don't gallente Females have Bulges?
Gallente girls are apposed to have *****.. I am dissapoint. "Sorry, Your Sov Options are Unavailable due to a PSN Outage."
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Miso Hawnee
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Posted - 2011.06.11 21:49:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Xenuria I think the immersion breaker is that I can't get completely naked in my CQ. I am a nudist irl and I often enjoy sunbathing with friends and frolicking in the nude. I certainly do not wear clothes when I am in my CQ IRL so why should I in game?
Also why don't gallente Females have Bulges?
Gallente girls are apposed to have *****.. I am dissapoint.
I guess you haven't seen the new turret animations then.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.11 22:04:00 -
[62]
Q: Am I supposed to walk naked and smeared over with goo in public?
A: Not at all. That's just because you are at a Minmatarr CQ and Minmatarr are beasts. I personally, whenever must get out of my pod at a Minmatarr station, order Rent-A-Butler Inc. to have a couple of conditioned slaves with screens and a bathrobe waiting for me outside of the pod.
Class: you have it, or you don't.
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.11 22:11:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Jacob Holland The "pod room" would not only have been better for our dignity, the current pod placement is a health and safety nightmare...
Let me think, where's the best place to put a well lubricated naked person who's still trying to remember how to use their legs? Bingo! I'll put them on a metal gantry over a huge drop. What could possibly go wrong?
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Wacktopia
Dark Side Of The Womb
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Posted - 2011.06.12 00:05:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Mars Theran
Originally by: Jacob Holland The "pod room" would not only have been better for our dignity, the current pod placement is a health and safety nightmare...
Let me think, where's the best place to put a well lubricated naked person who's still trying to remember how to use their legs? Bingo! I'll put them on a metal gantry over a huge drop. What could possibly go wrong?
But srsly, CCP, move the pod up the steps, stick it to the side with abut more protection and a shower thing and a soft landing and it would be 100 times better.
Also a pony. And a boiled sweet.
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.12 00:08:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai Q: Am I supposed to walk naked and smeared over with goo in public?
A: Not at all. That's just because you are at a Minmatarr CQ and Minmatarr are beasts. I personally, whenever must get out of my pod at a Minmatarr station, order Rent-A-Butler Inc. to have a couple of conditioned slaves with screens and a bathrobe waiting for me outside of the pod.
Class: you have it, or you don't.
If you have such class why are you disembarking from your pod in a Minmatarr station at all? __________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.12 00:14:00 -
[66]
I have to say though that looking at the ops pics of the pod chamber... It reminded me that I am highly unimpressed with the clothing options in the actual build... when compared to the stuff that they had in the trailers and such... That outfit in the first pod room pic is way better than anything we have on SiSi... I want my sexy retro 80's space outfits back! __________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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Wacktopia
Dark Side Of The Womb
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Posted - 2011.06.12 00:36:00 -
[67]
To be honest it surprised me when CCP unveiled the 'balcony' concept. The previous pod in the room idea was pretty sound - it made sense for the CQ to be in some other part of the station from the ships etc.
Being able to see your ship is very cool but the placement of the pod and the open-to-the-elements balcony and quarters feel a little fitted around that concept of being able to see your ship.
However, I remember early PI interfaces lacking in polish but the end result being preeety neat IMO so there is always the chance of further polishing before release.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.06.12 01:17:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Mara Rinn on 12/06/2011 01:26:41
Originally by: Lady Spank I have characters I role play on. This is a PVP char. Thanks for skirting the issue yet again.
Honor tanking the forums?
Originally by: Soden Rah I want my sexy retro 80's space outfits back!
Don't worry, they're sure to be available soon. It's a MT store after all, the more options they give the players the more sales they'll make.
I'd also like to chime in on the subject as one who is RP-raging because of both the "decant from capsule every time you dock" and "decanting in public is embarassing" issues. I'm also raging because the "decant from capsule every time you dock" issue means I will not be able to play the game from 21 June.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.12 01:20:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Lady Spank I have characters I role play on. This is a PVP char. Thanks for skirting the issue yet again.
Honor tanking the forums?
It's a tough job. ~~~
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Selinate
Amarr Mocking Birds
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Posted - 2011.06.12 01:20:00 -
[70]
I have an idea!!!
How about everyone who is sho concernred about RP and immersino that they must have incarna have it's pown special room, they must protest by walking down the strett in front of CCP headwuarters COMPLETE naked and covered in molasses.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.12 01:21:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Lady Spank I have characters I role play on. This is a PVP char. Thanks for skirting the issue yet again.
Honor tanking the forums?
It's a tough job.
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My job is easy
Originally by: Xenuria
I don't need a LICENSE to take a photoshooped image and lay it on top of the game client and make pretend my character is naked.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.06.12 01:33:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Selinate How about everyone who is sho concernred about RP and immersino that they must have incarna have it's pown special room, they must protest by walking down the strett in front of CCP headwuarters COMPLETE naked and covered in molasses.
No noà I wold protest by replacing all the developers' workstations with 17" Core2Duo iMacs (Radeon X1900 graphics cards). Only then would I parade the street outside their office, naked and covered in simulated pod suspension fluid.
Then all involved can understand my pain, the Mac client will get some seriously needed attention, and the developers might break their addiction to lots of polygons and translucent, luminescent multilayer lighting effects :)
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Selinate
Amarr Mocking Birds
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Posted - 2011.06.12 01:34:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Selinate How about everyone who is sho concernred about RP and immersino that they must have incarna have it's pown special room, they must protest by walking down the strett in front of CCP headwuarters COMPLETE naked and covered in molasses.
No noà I wold protest by replacing all the developers' workstations with 17" Core2Duo iMacs (Radeon X1900 graphics cards). Only then would I parade the street outside their office, naked and covered in simulated pod suspension fluid.
Then all involved can understand my pain, the Mac client will get some seriously needed attention, and the developers might break their addiction to lots of polygons and translucent, luminescent multilayer lighting effects :)
I support your efforst!!!
Srsly, eve runs ****ty on macs
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.12 01:36:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Selinate I have an idea!!!
How about everyone who is sho concernred about RP and immersino that they must have incarna have it's pown special room, they must protest by walking down the strett in front of CCP headwuarters COMPLETE naked and covered in molasses.
Since I object to standing in stations I will do no such thing. ~~~
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Maverick2011
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.12 01:57:00 -
[75]
Jesus man, clean your parts and dress up after having sex!!!
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.12 03:15:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Tres Farmer on 12/06/2011 03:18:37
Originally by: Maverick2011 Jesus man, clean your parts and dress up after having sex!!!
Did I do it right or did I forgot something? Really, I need help man!
Originally by: Selinate I have an idea!!! How about everyone who is sho concernred about RP and immersino that they must have incarna have it's pown special room, they must protest by walking down the strett in front of CCP headwuarters COMPLETE naked and covered in molasses.
CCP HQ, here I come!!!!
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.12 03:18:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Tres Farmer Edited by: Tres Farmer on 12/06/2011 03:15:47
Originally by: Maverick2011 Jesus man, clean your parts and dress up after having sex!!!
Did I do it right or did I forgot something? Really, I need help man!
Originally by: Selinate I have an idea!!! How about everyone who is sho concernred about RP and immersino that they must have incarna have it's pown special room, they must protest by walking down the strett in front of CCP headwuarters COMPLETE naked and covered in molasses.
CCP HQ, here I come!!!!
Is that Russel Brand? ~~~
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.12 05:02:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Tres Farmer on 12/06/2011 05:07:05 Edited by: Tres Farmer on 12/06/2011 05:05:45
Originally by: Lady Spank *snip*
Is that Russel Brand?
Dunno, I thought I'd more resemble Kurt Russel as Snake Plisken.. you know, above the shoulders
Btw, anyone here who wants to lick the beater? Still some goo left before I jump into the pod.. I even think it's chocolate? Good for the skin and nurtures you on those travels.
Well, that's what those girls said when they rubbed it on me. Before they run off with my clothes, thongs+towels and the screen.
I think I can see my shuttle from here!
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A Little Girl
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Posted - 2011.06.12 05:42:00 -
[79]
I think it's hilarious all you people talking about lore and realism.
Next time just remember. Submarines in space. There goes your reality.
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Mirabi Tiane
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Posted - 2011.06.12 06:22:00 -
[80]
ITT: CCP makes jokes instead of responding to an earnest concern. |
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Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar Solar Nexus. -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.06.12 06:25:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Mirabi Tiane ITT: CCP makes jokes instead of responding to an earnest concern.
Yes because CCP Manifest who works in marketing btw is really the best person to address concerns regarding immersion and features in Incarna.
Also I'm still surprised people actually think CCP cares about immersion/lore anymore. They've pretty much thrown that out the window several times now.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.12 08:03:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai on 12/06/2011 08:04:04
Originally by: Soden Rah
Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai Q: Am I supposed to walk naked and smeared over with goo in public?
A: Not at all. That's just because you are at a Minmatarr CQ and Minmatarr are beasts. I personally, whenever must get out of my pod at a Minmatarr station, order Rent-A-Butler Inc. to have a couple of conditioned slaves with screens and a bathrobe waiting for me outside of the pod.
Class: you have it, or you don't.
If you have such class why are you disembarking from your pod in a Minmatarr station at all?
My life is tough, but I don't want to sound like a white whiner* so I will not go into detail. Just will share this bit: my personal slave is called Pepoow. And it gets worse from here.
*specially as I am as much tan as a Khanid can be, despite the current CQ lightning makes me look like a pale asian chick.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.12 08:08:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai on 12/06/2011 08:04:04
Originally by: Soden Rah
Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai Q: Am I supposed to walk naked and smeared over with goo in public?
A: Not at all. That's just because you are at a Minmatarr CQ and Minmatarr are beasts. I personally, whenever must get out of my pod at a Minmatarr station, order Rent-A-Butler Inc. to have a couple of conditioned slaves with screens and a bathrobe waiting for me outside of the pod.
Class: you have it, or you don't.
If you have such class why are you disembarking from your pod in a Minmatarr station at all?
My life is tough, but I don't want to sound like a white whiner* so I will not go into detail. Just will share this bit: my personal slave is called Pepoow. And it gets worse from here.
*specially as I am as much tan as a Khanid can be, despite the current CQ lightning makes me look like a pale asian chick.
You a banana! Yellow on the outside but inside you are white
Originally by: Xenuria
I don't need a LICENSE to take a photoshooped image and lay it on top of the game client and make pretend my character is naked.
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Kalpel
Caldari United Systems of the Allegiance Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.06.12 08:24:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: Mina Sulva'r I hope you know the title of the thread was so misleading. This could have gone places. 0/10
agreed
3rd's
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Maverick2011
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.12 08:24:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Tres Farmer Edited by: Tres Farmer on 12/06/2011 03:18:37
Originally by: Maverick2011 Jesus man, clean your parts and dress up after having sex!!!
Did I do it right or did I forgot something? Really, I need help man!
Originally by: Selinate I have an idea!!! How about everyone who is sho concernred about RP and immersino that they must have incarna have it's pown special room, they must protest by walking down the strett in front of CCP headwuarters COMPLETE naked and covered in molasses.
CCP HQ, here I come!!!!
sexy, come meet me at my GIANT quarters.
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.06.12 09:22:00 -
[86]
CCP seems to treat fluff the same way Games Workshop and Lucas Films does. If it helps to sell stuff, then don't touch, if it does nothing to help sell stuff, change it and see if it helps sell stuff.
Which is fine, I guess, it's their product and IP.
Pretty dismissive of the fans though. On the other hand has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? ________________________________________________
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.12 11:04:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Kalpel
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: Mina Sulva'r I hope you know the title of the thread was so misleading. This could have gone places. 0/10
agreed
3rd's
Now that I'm running around naked smeared over with goo in public you're still unhappy? I think we did go places
Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody! |
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CCP Manifest
C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.12 12:37:00 -
[88]
Alright alright, you guy are correct, I should have stayed more or less on topic and it wasn't doing anyone any favors not to. Considering that subject line though I hope some of you can realize why I had to go for a joke.
Tres Farmer is right, itÆs not how we had originally showed off the grand pod-exit of what looked to be a private room and lots of vomiting and no body hair. IÆm not sure the exact reason why itÆs now attached to the balcony, but I think some of the guesses in this thread could be correct. I'll see if I can track down the answer for you.
Yet, I donÆt know though that there is a correct response to the OP other thanà ôSorry, thatÆs the way it is nowö. The question he asked was ôàbut thatÆs not how this was intended, or is it CCP?ö. Well, we donÆt just HAPPEN upon things going into the game without being designed and programmed (go ahead and joke about that if you want), clearly someone did make the decision to put it there on the balcony so it was intended at least in the short run.
To answer RaidÆEnÆs question. We will be releasing on the 21 with Minmatar quarters only and then adding the other ones as soon as possible thereafter. Yes this will be temporarily immersion breaking for those who wonder how Minmatar architecture exists in an Amarr station ù although I guess you could think about it like some of those old British mansions who had themed rooms from each of their colonies. "Headed to Selstead Manor? You simply MUST reserve the Calcutta room! They disassembled it and brought it piece by piece by train and steam all the way back to Yorkshire! It's not to be missed, Eugenia!"
Honestly, when it comes down to it, we're launching with one at first for many reasons, but mostly because it takes a while to make these things. For instance, I think Gallente has taken the longest because of their traditional "look" requiring some tougher art design work.
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Can we please have a complete moratorium on snarky, "humorous" comments from CCP that don't actually address the issue the thread was created to raise?
IÆm afraid we reserve the right to attempt at humor, being human beings, in the same way that others reserve the right to express their dissatisfaction with us. It is the horrific, undeniable circle of life.
We should definitely stay on topic more though.
Were that we all had the imagination of...
Originally by: Abrazzar I just pretend the video clip with priestesses flocking to me after disembarking, washing me down with sponges, drying me with silk cloth and dressing me in my robes is merely been ommitted for the sake of the teen rating.
IÆm not sure why he even needs to have the client running with such a powerful inner vision!
And Soden Rah, I'll look through those posts you linked and see if I can grab some answers for you there.
CCP Manifest Public Relations and Social Media|| Iniquitous Brute |
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astro kid
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Posted - 2011.06.12 12:38:00 -
[89]
Edited by: astro kid on 12/06/2011 12:38:54
Originally by: Tres Farmer Edited by: Tres Farmer on 11/06/2011 15:18:32
I know it's old news, but either I missed a RP-rage over this or there wasn't one or it got drowned by all the rage over Dust.
Anyway..
I really DON'T LIKE the capsule disembarking as it's currently available on Sisi.
It's at the docking ledge/control/hangar balcony and in public space.
yes It's embarrassing and afaik not according to lore.
currently on Sisi for the Minmatar CQ:
Give me a door like the current door to access the arcade, write "Capsule Room" over it and lock it. I'd rather not see anything of this at all instead of this warped and unrealistic design/vision you did came up with. At the moment I try to blank this part of the hangar balcony mentally out, but that's not how this was intended, or is it CCP?
vision 2 years ago:
edit: changed the pics around, as they where a bit misleading in their order (see some posts below)
yes
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ELECTR0FREAK
Eye of God
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Posted - 2011.06.12 12:45:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Soden Rah
Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai Q: Am I supposed to walk naked and smeared over with goo in public?
A: Not at all. That's just because you are at a Minmatarr CQ and Minmatarr are beasts. I personally, whenever must get out of my pod at a Minmatarr station, order Rent-A-Butler Inc. to have a couple of conditioned slaves with screens and a bathrobe waiting for me outside of the pod.
Class: you have it, or you don't.
If you have such class why are you disembarking from your pod in a Minmatarr station at all?
Have you never seen the big "GIRLS" sign outside of Minmatar Outposts?
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.12 12:47:00 -
[91]
Edited by: Miilla on 12/06/2011 12:48:35
CCP will add Aloe Vera oil to the unpodding sequence in the next patch for those that are butthurt.
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Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar Solar Nexus. -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.06.12 12:54:00 -
[92]
Whatever happened releasing stuff in one go instead of 1 feature spread out over 10 expansions. I mean Apocrypha was released almost perfectly maybe that system should actually be used again. Its obvious this whole releasing in stages thing isn't working out to well. Seem CCP has been spreading there resources a little too thin.
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Awesome Possum
Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.06.12 12:55:00 -
[93]
i'm against incarna period, so i'm glad you jumpflippin fartknockers aren't enjoying your crappy new toy ♥
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.12 12:55:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Awesome Possum i'm against incarna period, so i'm glad you jumpflippin fartknockers aren't enjoying your crappy new toy
So, you won't be docking then?
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.12 12:55:00 -
[95]
Originally by: CCP Manifest
To answer RaidÆEnÆs question. We will be releasing on the 21 with Minmatar quarters only and then adding the other ones as soon as possible thereafter. Yes this will be temporarily immersion breaking for those who wonder how Minmatar architecture exists in an Amarr station ù
Really? Why would you release CQ with the architecture/design of only one of the races represented? Why not just wait until they're all finished? Patience is a virtue CCP. ~Gnosis~ |
Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar Solar Nexus. -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.06.12 12:57:00 -
[96]
Edited by: Brooks Puuntai on 12/06/2011 12:58:16
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Awesome Possum i'm against incarna period, so i'm glad you jumpflippin fartknockers aren't enjoying your crappy new toy
So, you won't be docking then?
Thank god theres a option to disable it... For now at least.
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.12 13:00:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Soden Rah on 12/06/2011 13:05:58
Originally by: CCP Manifest Alright alright, you guy are correct, I should have stayed more or less on topic and it wasn't doing anyone any favors not to. Considering that subject line though I hope some of you can realize why I had to go for a joke.
Tres Farmer is right, itÆs not how we had originally showed off the grand pod-exit of what looked to be a private room and lots of vomiting and no body hair. IÆm not sure the exact reason why itÆs now attached to the balcony, but I think some of the guesses in this thread could be correct. I'll see if I can track down the answer for you.
Yet, I donÆt know though that there is a correct response to the OP other thanà ôSorry, thatÆs the way it is nowö. The question he asked was ôàbut thatÆs not how this was intended, or is it CCP?ö. Well, we donÆt just HAPPEN upon things going into the game without being designed and programmed (go ahead and joke about that if you want), clearly someone did make the decision to put it there on the balcony so it was intended at least in the short run.
To answer RaidÆEnÆs question. We will be releasing on the 21 with Minmatar quarters only and then adding the other ones as soon as possible thereafter. Yes this will be temporarily immersion breaking for those who wonder how Minmatar architecture exists in an Amarr station ù although I guess you could think about it like some of those old British mansions who had themed rooms from each of their colonies. "Headed to Selstead Manor? You simply MUST reserve the Calcutta room! They disassembled it and brought it piece by piece by train and steam all the way back to Yorkshire! It's not to be missed, Eugenia!"
Honestly, when it comes down to it, we're launching with one at first for many reasons, but mostly because it takes a while to make these things. For instance, I think Gallente has taken the longest because of their traditional "look" requiring some tougher art design work.
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Can we please have a complete moratorium on snarky, "humorous" comments from CCP that don't actually address the issue the thread was created to raise?
IÆm afraid we reserve the right to attempt at humor, being human beings, in the same way that others reserve the right to express their dissatisfaction with us. It is the horrific, undeniable circle of life.
We should definitely stay on topic more though.
Were that we all had the imagination of...
Originally by: Abrazzar I just pretend the video clip with priestesses flocking to me after disembarking, washing me down with sponges, drying me with silk cloth and dressing me in my robes is merely been ommitted for the sake of the teen rating.
IÆm not sure why he even needs to have the client running with such a powerful inner vision!
And Soden Rah, I'll look through those posts you linked and see if I can grab some answers for you there.
Now that is what I am talking about... Thank you very much, and I will be looking forward to your further posts.
EDIT: I have no problem with Minmatarr quarters only on release as long as the others are on their way.
I would like to know why the pod is on the end of the balcony, I don't think it makes rp/logical sense, but it's not a deal breaker for me, particularly if its temporary and pod
Funny dev posts are fine, as long as they are not the only dev posts.
And I am sorry that our gallente architecture is causing you such difficulty, but we are the aesthetes of the galaxy, we care about appearance unlike some other less civilised races ;-) __________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.12 13:01:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Brooks Puuntai Edited by: Brooks Puuntai on 12/06/2011 12:58:16
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Awesome Possum i'm against incarna period, so i'm glad you jumpflippin fartknockers aren't enjoying your crappy new toy
So, you won't be docking then?
Thank god theres a option to disable it... For now at least.
Welcome to the world of online multiplayer commercial game's, where nobody give's a toss what you think.
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Rolare
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.12 13:01:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Brooks Puuntai Whatever happened releasing stuff in one go instead of 1 feature spread out over 10 expansions. I mean Apocrypha was released almost perfectly maybe that system should actually be used again. Its obvious this whole releasing in stages thing isn't working out to well. Seem CCP has been spreading there resources a little too thin.
Incursion worked quite well if you asked me :)
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Neoka Starscream
The Foreign Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.12 13:01:00 -
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I know this has been said a thousand times before: why create this mostly useless addition to a game that has so much else left to fix?
Eve IS internet spaceships. This is serious business, not PFYs fapping to avatars wandering a station in a bra.
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Awesome Possum
Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.06.12 13:06:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Awesome Possum i'm against incarna period, so i'm glad you jumpflippin fartknockers aren't enjoying your crappy new toy
So, you won't be docking then?
not with CQ enabled, no.
sorry miilla, you can't blow me in some dark corner for iskies. ♥
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Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar Solar Nexus. -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.06.12 13:07:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Rolare
Originally by: Brooks Puuntai Whatever happened releasing stuff in one go instead of 1 feature spread out over 10 expansions. I mean Apocrypha was released almost perfectly maybe that system should actually be used again. Its obvious this whole releasing in stages thing isn't working out to well. Seem CCP has been spreading there resources a little too thin.
Incursion worked quite well if you asked me :)
While that is true... Incursions was released over several months tho.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.12 13:08:00 -
[103]
The only thing that conerns me is the bandwidth chattyness of Incarna in stations.
(and the patch size ofcourse) :)
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.06.12 13:16:00 -
[104]
Originally by: CCP Manifest <snipped>
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Can we please have a complete moratorium on snarky, "humorous" comments from CCP that don't actually address the issue the thread was created to raise?
IÆm afraid we reserve the right to attempt at humor, being human beings, in the same way that others reserve the right to express their dissatisfaction with us. It is the horrific, undeniable circle of life.
We should definitely stay on topic more though.
Were that we all had the imagination of... <snipped>
A good policy is to use a disclaimer when responding to serious questions with jokes/trolling. After you have made your no doubt hilarious post, either say you aren't involved in that area of the game, so you can't answer it/don't know the answer or answer the question to the best of your ability and as much as CCP rules allow. This is just common sense courtesy, since it tells the person asking the question that he isn't being ignored and that you took it seriously even though you joked about it.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.12 13:18:00 -
[105]
EVE Towels 100 AURUM
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CCP Manifest
C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.12 13:30:00 -
[106]
Originally by: J Kunjeh
Originally by: CCP Manifest
To answer RaidÆEnÆs question. We will be releasing on the 21 with Minmatar quarters only and then adding the other ones as soon as possible thereafter. Yes this will be temporarily immersion breaking for those who wonder how Minmatar architecture exists in an Amarr station ù
Really? Why would you release CQ with the architecture/design of only one of the races represented? Why not just wait until they're all finished? Patience is a virtue CCP.
My understanding is WHY NOT give the functionality to everyone when possible and then add the cosmetics later? Also, it's good to get something out earlier to make sure "it works" and the other versions can be optimized based off of feedback and practical, real world use.
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S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2011.06.12 13:42:00 -
[107]
Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 12/06/2011 13:43:23 Thank you very much, CCP Manifest! Thank you for taking the time to answer some of our concerns on the forums; your colleagues would benefit greatly by following your example.
I look forward to the results of your "pod at end of silly ramp instead of private room" investigation.
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Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar Solar Nexus. -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.06.12 13:43:00 -
[108]
Originally by: CCP Manifest
My understanding is WHY NOT give the functionality to everyone when possible and then add the cosmetics later? Also, it's good to get something out earlier to make sure "it works" and the other versions can be optimized based off of feedback and practical, real world use.
Isn't that was beta testing is for? Also you guys don't really have the best track record of releasing stuff then going back and "optimizing" it. Usually its forgotten about and you all are chasing the next shiny.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.12 13:46:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Miilla on 12/06/2011 13:45:52
Originally by: Brooks Puuntai
Originally by: CCP Manifest
My understanding is WHY NOT give the functionality to everyone when possible and then add the cosmetics later? Also, it's good to get something out earlier to make sure "it works" and the other versions can be optimized based off of feedback and practical, real world use.
Isn't that was beta testing is for? Also you guys don't really have the best track record of releasing stuff then going back and "optimizing" it. Usually its forgotten about and you all are chasing the next shiny.
SiSi is a TEST server.
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Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar Solar Nexus. -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.06.12 13:48:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Brooks Puuntai on 12/06/2011 13:48:06
Originally by: Miilla
SiSi is a TEST server.
You are a quick one aren't you. The issue is not it being tested on Sisi its thats its going to be forced out unfinished on TQ.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.12 13:49:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Brooks Puuntai Edited by: Brooks Puuntai on 12/06/2011 13:48:06
Originally by: Miilla
SiSi is a TEST server.
You are a quick one aren't you. The issue is not it being tested on Sisi its thats its going to be forced out unfinished on TQ.
Defne Finished?
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.06.12 13:50:00 -
[112]
Define Defne. On the other hand has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? ________________________________________________
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.12 13:51:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Miilla on 12/06/2011 13:52:00
Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium Define Defne.
List the critieria that you would use to release the product feature, since you act like a release manager, be one.
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Awesome Possum
Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.06.12 13:52:00 -
[114]
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: J Kunjeh
Originally by: CCP Manifest
To answer RaidÆEnÆs question. We will be releasing on the 21 with Minmatar quarters only and then adding the other ones as soon as possible thereafter. Yes this will be temporarily immersion breaking for those who wonder how Minmatar architecture exists in an Amarr station ù
Really? Why would you release CQ with the architecture/design of only one of the races represented? Why not just wait until they're all finished? Patience is a virtue CCP.
My understanding is WHY NOT give the functionality to everyone when possible and then add the cosmetics later? Also, it's good to get something out earlier to make sure "it works" and the other versions can be optimized based off of feedback and practical, real world use.
because not everyone wants it?
You want characters walking around... you're making an FPS and a vampire MMO, done. Leave EVE to internet spaceships.
More reasons to undock please, not hide in station. ♥
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.12 13:53:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: J Kunjeh
Originally by: CCP Manifest
To answer RaidÆEnÆs question. We will be releasing on the 21 with Minmatar quarters only and then adding the other ones as soon as possible thereafter. Yes this will be temporarily immersion breaking for those who wonder how Minmatar architecture exists in an Amarr station ù
Really? Why would you release CQ with the architecture/design of only one of the races represented? Why not just wait until they're all finished? Patience is a virtue CCP.
My understanding is WHY NOT give the functionality to everyone when possible and then add the cosmetics later? Also, it's good to get something out earlier to make sure "it works" and the other versions can be optimized based off of feedback and practical, real world use.
because not everyone wants it?
You want characters walking around... you're making an FPS and a vampire MMO, done. Leave EVE to internet spaceships.
More reasons to undock please, not hide in station.
Nobody is forcing YOU to dock.
It is a multiplayer online game, other people can choose to play with their account how they wish, not how YOU want them to.
Unless, ofcourse you can pay my subscription by sending me 1 plex every month and supporting ISK and AURUM, then we can discuss playing it YOUR way.
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S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2011.06.12 13:57:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Miilla Nobody is forcing YOU to dock.
It is a multiplayer online game, other people can choose to play with their account how they wish, not how YOU want them to.
Unless, ofcourse you can pay my subscription by sending me 1 plex every month and supporting ISK and AURUM, then we can discuss playing it YOUR way.
First time I think I've agreed with Miilla... I guess the world will end today, too?
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.06.12 13:59:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 12/06/2011 13:52:00
Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium Define Defne.
List the critieria that you would use to release the product feature, since you act like a release manager, be one.
1. That it do this, , to my face when I see it.
2. That it avoid making people do this, , or this, , when seeing it for the first time.
3. That it is definitely this, .
4. It should certainly not be or do this, .
5. Your responses in this thread have definitely had me doing this, , more than once. On the other hand has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? ________________________________________________
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CCP Manifest
C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.12 14:07:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Awesome Possum because not everyone wants it?
You want characters walking around... you're making an FPS and a vampire MMO, done. Leave EVE to internet spaceships.
More reasons to undock please, not hide in station.
You're right, obviously. Not EVERYONE wants it. But not everyone wanted Wormholes or Tech3 or the new character creator or Titans or scanning or insurance or Incursions or well, any singular EVE feature or system. That doesn't mean they aren't worth doing.
We have had, since EVE launched, more people telling us they wished they could walk around than expressing a desire not to do so. It's listening to those EVE players and EVE-player-wannabes and our own selves as designers that means you are getting legs soon.
There are benefits and drawbacks to a staged release of the CQ. But, with only it being an architectural difference, we think it a wise idea to go ahead and give functionality to players like the new Agent Finder and the infamous couch on which you can sit.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.12 14:10:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Miilla on 12/06/2011 14:11:03
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: Awesome Possum because not everyone wants it?
You want characters walking around... you're making an FPS and a vampire MMO, done. Leave EVE to internet spaceships.
More reasons to undock please, not hide in station.
You're right, obviously. Not EVERYONE wants it. But not everyone wanted Wormholes or Tech3 or the new character creator or Titans or scanning or insurance or Incursions or well, any singular EVE feature or system. That doesn't mean they aren't worth doing.
We have had, since EVE launched, more people telling us they wished they could walk around than expressing a desire not to do so. It's listening to those EVE players and EVE-player-wannabes and our own selves as designers that means you are getting legs soon.
There are benefits and drawbacks to a staged release of the CQ. But, with only it being an architectural difference, we think it a wise idea to go ahead and give functionality to players like the new Agent Finder and the infamous couch on which you can sit.
Can you fix the fleet window so it doesn't always open up in the fleet finder when we make a new fleet or join a fleet.
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Awesome Possum
Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.06.12 14:13:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Miilla Nobody is forcing YOU to dock.
It is a multiplayer online game, other people can choose to play with their account how they wish, not how YOU want them to.
Unless, ofcourse you can pay my subscription by sending me 1 plex every month and supporting ISK and AURUM, then we can discuss playing it YOUR way.
Nobody is telling you how to play, so stop your moaning. Game play is based on game design, this game has always been a spaceship game. The only reason to dock was to stay safe, log out, do market crap, or just plain boredom. Incarna specifically gives people a reason to stay docked other than for the support of internet spaceships, this detracts from the game as it was designed from day 1.
I pay to play this game too cupcake, I have just as much right to tell CCP how I feel the game should be designed as you. If anyone feels like running around and /dancing for virgins in dark corners, there's plenty of MMOs for that. I want this game to stay based upon the spaceships you're flying, not the uber cool sunglasses you're wearing.
As I said before, scrap Incarna and give us more reasons to undock, not the opposite. Blowing plex on other e-monies to pay for some nifty clothes is hardly going to inspire anyone to undock and engage in (non)consensual pvp/pve. ♥
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.12 14:15:00 -
[121]
Edited by: Miilla on 12/06/2011 14:16:14
Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Miilla Nobody is forcing YOU to dock.
It is a multiplayer online game, other people can choose to play with their account how they wish, not how YOU want them to.
Unless, ofcourse you can pay my subscription by sending me 1 plex every month and supporting ISK and AURUM, then we can discuss playing it YOUR way.
Nobody is telling you how to play, so stop your moaning. Game play is based on game design, this game has always been a spaceship game. The only reason to dock was to stay safe, log out, do market crap, or just plain boredom. Incarna specifically gives people a reason to stay docked other than for the support of internet spaceships, this detracts from the game as it was designed from day 1.
I pay to play this game too cupcake, I have just as much right to tell CCP how I feel the game should be designed as you. If anyone feels like running around and /dancing for virgins in dark corners, there's plenty of MMOs for that. I want this game to stay based upon the spaceships you're flying, not the uber cool sunglasses you're wearing.
As I said before, scrap Incarna and give us more reasons to undock, not the opposite. Blowing plex on other e-monies to pay for some nifty clothes is hardly going to inspire anyone to undock and engage in (non)consensual pvp/pve.
I hear NULLsec and W-Space have no walking in stations. That sounds just the place for you
Pants
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Awesome Possum
Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.06.12 14:17:00 -
[122]
Originally by: CCP Manifest We have had, since EVE launched, more people telling us they wished they could walk around than expressing a desire not to do so.
Really... so you actually polled the entire player base as a whole about this (and any other) feature? Or did you just listen to the overly vocal minority, just like every other MMO company?
You (MMO Companies) want to know how your player base feels about features, and design changes.. then put up a poll on the login screen. Force them to choose yay/nay/abstain before logging in. Find out how 100% of your players feel about it, not go nerfing/buffing based on the relatively few rabid idiots ranting on the forums. ♥
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CCP Manifest
C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.12 14:18:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Brooks Puuntai Whatever happened releasing stuff in one go instead of 1 feature spread out over 10 expansions. I mean Apocrypha was released almost perfectly maybe that system should actually be used again. Its obvious this whole releasing in stages thing isn't working out to well. Seem CCP has been spreading there resources a little too thin.
Honestly, staged releases are better for us and for you guys. I think there's a devblog that talks about that.
That having been said, yes the darling Apocrypha seemed relatively flawless in the eyes of the players, but it latched a larger amount of technical debt behind the scenes for us as designers--as we've talked about before.
CCP Manifest Public Relations and Social Media|| Iniquitous Brute |
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S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2011.06.12 14:22:00 -
[124]
Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 12/06/2011 14:27:01
Originally by: Awesome Possum stuff
Because a game shouldn't evolve over time? CCP shouldn't try to make EVE as all-inclusive as possible in order to reach the largest audience? A company should just throw away three or more years of development just to give YOU what you want?
People are going to dock whether you or CCP want them to or not. I, for one, welcome the chance to finally do something interesting while being station camped, bored, or after just getting back from a long roam. My main concern is that they get it right, make it fun, and follow their own lore and the rules of the universe that they've built (see problems about: pod at end of exposed ramp, being connected to all features outside of the pod, etc).
Also, the fact that you think a voluntary poll is the best way to gauge the opinions of players is just ridiculous.
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.12 14:26:00 -
[125]
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: Awesome Possum because not everyone wants it?
You want characters walking around... you're making an FPS and a vampire MMO, done. Leave EVE to internet spaceships.
More reasons to undock please, not hide in station.
You're right, obviously. Not EVERYONE wants it. But not everyone wanted Wormholes or Tech3 or the new character creator or Titans or scanning or insurance or Incursions or well, any singular EVE feature or system. That doesn't mean they aren't worth doing.
We have had, since EVE launched, more people telling us they wished they could walk around than expressing a desire not to do so. It's listening to those EVE players and EVE-player-wannabes and our own selves as designers that means you are getting legs soon.
There are benefits and drawbacks to a staged release of the CQ. But, with only it being an architectural difference, we think it a wise idea to go ahead and give functionality to players like the new Agent Finder and the infamous couch on which you can sit.
Could I highlight the, probably quite large, subclass of people that want Incarna, but don't want it every single time they dock? __________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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CCP Manifest
C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.12 14:27:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Awesome Possum Find out how 100% of your players feel about it, not go nerfing/buffing based on the relatively few rabid idiots ranting on the forums.
100% of our players aren't going to respond to a poll unless we force them too before logging in, and well... that's not a cool thing to do.
I'm basing this not only off of a few forum posts, but probably the 5000 people I've talked to at conventions over the years, feedback to our designers, chatting with people on Fanfest, listening to social media responses etc. Yes, not everyone brings it up, but more often than not it comes up when people familiar with EVE talk about their "wishes" for the game or those who tried it talk about the barriers to getting in. CCP Manifest Public Relations and Social Media|| Iniquitous Brute |
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.12 14:27:00 -
[127]
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: Awesome Possum Find out how 100% of your players feel about it, not go nerfing/buffing based on the relatively few rabid idiots ranting on the forums.
100% of our players aren't going to respond to a poll unless we force them too before logging in, and well... that's not a cool thing to do.
I'm basing this not only off of a few forum posts, but probably the 5000 people I've talked to at conventions over the years, feedback to our designers, chatting with people on Fanfest, listening to social media responses etc. Yes, not everyone brings it up, but more often than not it comes up when people familiar with EVE talk about their "wishes" for the game or those who tried it talk about the barriers to getting in.
Has NULLsec and W-space got Incarna Walking In Stations?
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Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar Solar Nexus. -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.06.12 14:28:00 -
[128]
Edited by: Brooks Puuntai on 12/06/2011 14:29:59
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Honestly, staged releases are better for us and for you guys. I think there's a devblog that talks about that.
That having been said, yes the darling Apocrypha seemed relatively flawless in the eyes of the players, but it latched a larger amount of technical debt behind the scenes for us as designers--as we've talked about before.
You would think that having staged releases would actually cause MORE issues behind the scenes for designers and developers. Since before each release testing is done which means developers need to go back and do fixes for things that weren't caught in house. Then after release there is the "oh ****" moment where something wasn't found in house or during public testing that is now showing up on the production server. This is already seen with almost daily "optional patches" post release. Instead of this being done only once during expansion cycle its now being done multiple times per expansion due too staggered release.
Then again I honestly think it would be more beneficial to not only the player base but also for the developers to change the development cycle all together. Instead of trying to rush 2 expansions out per year why not reduce it down to 1? This would allow developers more time to fine tune expansions as well as properly test them before release. For us players it would mean less patches and more quality expansions. Irregardless if you guys are using the Scrum(?) or waterfall process.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.12 14:32:00 -
[129]
Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 12/06/2011 14:33:13
Originally by: Awesome Possum ... so you actually polled the entire player base as a whole about this (and any other) feature? Or did you just listen to the overly vocal minority, just like every other MMO company?
You (MMO Companies) want to know how your player base feels about features, and design changes.. then put up a poll on the login screen. Force them to choose yay/nay/abstain before logging in. Find out how 100% of your players feel about it, not go nerfing/buffing based on the relatively few rabid idiots ranting on the forums.
Well as long as CCP doesn't allow polls on the forum (and neither on the new) or doesn't include it in their own polls we just don't know for real. Although I'd say it's an indication.
But from what I've heared from the people playing .. yes they like the idea of Incarna, although there's still a lot that's needed to make it actually worthwhile. And not a lot of people like being just a 2D portrait but like to be a person as well. Star Wars, Star Trek, Galactica, Stargate - what would these be with just ships and 2D portraits? Also keep in mind that a number of potential players doesn't play EVE because they're a ship and not a character.
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.12 14:33:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Jennifer Starling Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 12/06/2011 14:32:31
Originally by: Awesome Possum ... so you actually polled the entire player base as a whole about this (and any other) feature? Or did you just listen to the overly vocal minority, just like every other MMO company?
You (MMO Companies) want to know how your player base feels about features, and design changes.. then put up a poll on the login screen. Force them to choose yay/nay/abstain before logging in. Find out how 100% of your players feel about it, not go nerfing/buffing based on the relatively few rabid idiots ranting on the forums.
Well as long as CCP doesn't allow polls on the forum (and neither on the new) or doesn't include it in their own polls we just don't know for real. Although I'd say it's an indication.
But from what I've heared from the people playing .. yes they like the idea of Incarna, although there's still a lot that's needed to make it actually worthwhile. And not a lot of people like being just a 2D portrait but like to be a person as well. Star Wars, Star Trek, Galactica, Stargate - what would these be with just ships and 2D portraits? Also keep in mind that a number of potential players don't play EVE because they're a ship and not a character.
WTB Jennifer Starling's body, 10m.
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Azahni Vah'nos
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.12 14:34:00 -
[131]
Based on the concept drawings from the Incarna site, it would appear that the Minmatar will be the only ones doing the nudie run from their pod. That is of course if these are still the planned appearances for each races CQ balcony. Only time will tell I guess. Also if you look at the first picture it could be the pod docked underneath where the guy is standing.
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/incarna/screenShots/Incarna_008.jpg http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/incarna/screenShots/Incarna_015.jpg http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/incarna/screenShots/Incarna_016.jpg
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.12 14:35:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Brooks Puuntai Edited by: Brooks Puuntai on 12/06/2011 14:29:59
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Honestly, staged releases are better for us and for you guys. I think there's a devblog that talks about that.
That having been said, yes the darling Apocrypha seemed relatively flawless in the eyes of the players, but it latched a larger amount of technical debt behind the scenes for us as designers--as we've talked about before.
You would think that having staged releases would actually cause MORE issues behind the scenes for designers and developers. Since before each release testing is done which means developers need to go back and do fixes for things that weren't caught in house. Then after release there is the "oh ****" moment where something wasn't found in house or during public testing that is now showing up on the production server. This is already seen with almost daily "optional patches" post release. Instead of this being done only once during expansion cycle its now being done multiple times per expansion due too staggered release.
Then again I honestly think it would be more beneficial to not only the player base but also for the developers to change the development cycle all together. Instead of trying to rush 2 expansions out per year why not reduce it down to 1? This would allow developers more time to fine tune expansions as well as properly test them before release. For us players it would mean less patches and more quality expansions. Irregardless if you guys are using the Scrum(?) or waterfall process.
No and the reason is this... If you make one small change and something breaks, you can be pretty sure that the one small change is what is responsible, so you know where to start looking to find out how to fix it. Also small changes are less complicated and thus less likely to break stuff.
On the other hand a big monolithic expansion with hundreds of changes that breaks umpteen things means you then have a huge web to untangle to try to solve the issue.
As demonstrated in the last patch where they updated the entire UI code, because it cant be broken into bits, and they have had lots of work trying to find and fix the few bugs that slipped through the net.
There are many on the forums who have congratulated CCP for switching to staggered releases for just this reason, and there have been threads demanding CCP continue with this... So they can't win either way, but this way makes more technical sense so stick with it.
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Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.12 14:35:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Miilla WTB Jennifer Starling's body, 10m.
But don't you already have a nice Vherokior body?
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S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2011.06.12 14:37:00 -
[134]
Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 12/06/2011 14:38:15
Originally by: Azahni Vah'nos Based on the concept drawings from the Incarna site, it would appear that the Minmatar will be the only ones doing the nudie run from their pod. That is of course if these are still the planned appearances for each races CQ balcony. Only time will tell I guess. Also if you look at the first picture it could be the pod docked underneath where the guy is standing.
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/incarna/screenShots/Incarna_008.jpg http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/incarna/screenShots/Incarna_015.jpg http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/incarna/screenShots/Incarna_016.jpg
I hope you're right. I will laugh my Amarr head off (yes, this is an alt) if only the Minnies have the nudist ramp. Not completely out of line with lore, either.. Savages wouldn't care what they look like or who sees them.
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.12 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Azahni Vah'nos Based on the concept drawings from the Incarna site, it would appear that the Minmatar will be the only ones doing the nudie run from their pod. That is of course if these are still the planned appearances for each races CQ balcony. Only time will tell I guess. Also if you look at the first picture it could be the pod docked underneath where the guy is standing.
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/incarna/screenShots/Incarna_008.jpg http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/incarna/screenShots/Incarna_015.jpg http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/incarna/screenShots/Incarna_016.jpg
yeah but iirc the original art for the Minmatarr didn't have the pod their either. __________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar Solar Nexus. -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.06.12 14:42:00 -
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Edited by: Brooks Puuntai on 12/06/2011 14:43:51
Originally by: Soden Rah
No and the reason is this... If you make one small change and something breaks, you can be pretty sure that the one small change is what is responsible, so you know where to start looking to find out how to fix it. Also small changes are less complicated and thus less likely to break stuff.
On the other hand a big monolithic expansion with hundreds of changes that breaks umpteen things means you then have a huge web to untangle to try to solve the issue.
While that is a good point and is true. However what also happens with increased releases and features it gives you less time to properly test it to find/fix most of these issues. Where as with a major release you can avoid most issues by the increase time for in-house and public testing. Granted there will always be things missed post release.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.12 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Brooks Puuntai
Originally by: Soden Rah No and the reason is this... If you make one small change and something breaks, you can be pretty sure that the one small change is what is responsible, so you know where to start looking to find out how to fix it. Also small changes are less complicated and thus less likely to break stuff.
On the other hand a big monolithic expansion with hundreds of changes that breaks umpteen things means you then have a huge web to untangle to try to solve the issue.
While that is a good point and is true. However what also happens with increased releases and features it gives you less time to properly test it to find/fix most of these issues. Where as with a major release you can avoid most issues by the increase time for in-house and public testing. Granted there will always be things missed post release.
The teams put their changes and expansions (or little patches) up, they get tested and then released one at a time time and as they all got their own window of breaking things it's way easier to attach the symptoms to a probable cause.
Never change a running system, and when you do, do as little as needed.
Another thing to think about: developers are humans too. Not all features get developed in the same timeframe.. some need less time. Now the developer is fresh and knee-deep in this exact code. Best thing for him to see if it's working with the rest of the big machine - getting it tested and if there are problems, he's right at it and knows where and what and how to look for. No imagine developing several small features, piling them up for release and releasing them in one big batch and the stuff breaks things. Yeah right, have fun wrapping your mind around that code you wrote half a year ago and fix it.
That's why Eve had such a rough going sometimes.. Code from years before had been touched and changed, new bits and pieces added and every half year on release it did break. Then they had to go back and check every fricking thing in there.
So, no.. small incremental patches and releases of big features over 1-2 months is a good thing and works.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.12 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue *snip*
A good policy is to use a disclaimer when responding to serious questions with jokes/trolling. After you have made your no doubt hilarious post, either say you aren't involved in that area of the game, so you can't answer it/don't know the answer or answer the question to the best of your ability and as much as CCP rules allow. This is just common sense courtesy, since it tells the person asking the question that he isn't being ignored and that you took it seriously even though you joked about it.
this ^^
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.12 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest Alright alright, you guy are correct, I should have stayed more or less on topic and it wasn't doing anyone any favors not to. Considering that subject line though I hope some of you can realize why I had to go for a joke.
I wonder what happened with this thread when I'd started the thread with the girl from page 3
Originally by: CCP Manifest Tres Farmer is right, itÆs not how we had originally showed off the grand pod-exit of what looked to be a private room and lots of vomiting and no body hair. IÆm not sure the exact reason why itÆs now attached to the balcony, but I think some of the guesses in this thread could be correct. I'll see if I can track down the answer for you.
Yet, I donÆt know though that there is a correct response to the OP other thanà ôSorry, thatÆs the way it is nowö. The question he asked was ôàbut thatÆs not how this was intended, or is it CCP?ö. Well, we donÆt just HAPPEN upon things going into the game without being designed and programmed (go ahead and joke about that if you want), clearly someone did make the decision to put it there on the balcony so it was intended at least in the short run.
*snip*
I had no problem with the funny response and I think without it the thread would had been out of sight pretty fast (blue bars make people curious and they are more tempted to post, ya know? ). So keep the humor, but a disclaimer is very welcome!
Also reading between the lines of your first response sparked a slight hope that you'd get some information once you got to read the OP and the responses to it.
Finally, as your position suggests, could you please get some of the gals and guys working on features that are up on Sisi to test to show some presence on the Testserver Forums? You are a company that sells a MMO whose heart and soul is the interaction between people. Please show some professionalism and interact with the people that work as your bughunters. Somebody in those teams working on features must have an hour a week here or there to check the Testserver Forums and reply/comment/advice of stuff that's going on (not just for mass-tests or bannings of people who misbehaved). And even if it's just a "hello, we're in your threadz reading your commentz."
Is that a problem with the roll-outs?.. I mean how far behind the actual work the developers do is Sisi behind? 1 week? 2 weeks? This might explain why the responses or interaction with the testers isn't deemed productive by the developers.. can't blame em really. Any insight into those mechanics there Manifest?
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digitalwanderer
Gallente DF0 incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.12 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: digitalwanderer on 12/06/2011 16:04:41 Perspective from an 8 year old vet incoming:
I've been playing this game since it started and the server usually crashed or had to be restarted 2~3 times a day, and frankly getting excited that only the captains quarters are being released at this point, the only interior that's done is the minmatar one and that overall there's no added functionality in using CQ over the regular interface except looking at yourself in the mirror, so it isn't really remarquable in the least but i know it's only a first step(i've heard that only many times over the last 8 years).
It's like trying to get excited about a painting that's only 10% done and will take a couple more years until it's complete, and we're already seeing many flipping out since the pod sequence isn't following lore....I have this nagging feeling a lot more than that isn't following lore at all, such as this example here:
http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=15-06-10
That's how a real pod pilot looks with all his/her's implants, hardwirings and neural interface to the ship installed, not the fashion design show you're trying to implement with incarna on characters that are basically immortal anyhow and save for other pod pilots, will outlive anyone in those stations so making a fashion statement isn't a high priority here to say the least...
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.06.12 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest Alright alright, you guy are correct, I should have stayed more or less on topic and it wasn't doing anyone any favors not to. Considering that subject line though I hope some of you can realize why I had to go for a joke.
IÆm afraid we reserve the right to attempt at humor, being human beings, in the same way that others reserve the right to express their dissatisfaction with us. It is the horrific, undeniable circle of life.
We should definitely stay on topic more though.
While I appreciate everything you have since said in this thread I am focusing on this. We are a tough crowd (I'm one of the worst :P ) but you are spot on here. I wouldn't want to see you guys lose your sense of humour, or indeed the ability to make small talk and jokes with the player base. The problem of course is when it looks like you are ignoring concerns raised. Striking a balance keeps the animals at bay
As for Lady Spank immersion pleasers, I think you would have to change the ESRB rating (or whatever it's called)
P.S. Please don't nerf ship spinning. Spinning ships at lightspeed velocity in a station is very immersive ~~~
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.12 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: digitalwanderer (...)
It's like trying to get excited about a painting that's only 10% done and will take a couple more years until it's complete, and we're already seeing many flipping out since the pod sequence isn't following lore....I have this nagging feeling a lot more than that isn't following lore at all, such as this example here:
http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=15-06-10
That's how a real pod pilot looks with all his/her's implants, hardwirings and neural interface to the ship installed, not the fashion design show you're trying to implement with incarna on characters that are basically immortal anyhow and save for other pod pilots, will outlive anyone in those stations so making a fashion statement isn't a high priority here to say the least...
Errr... NOT:
Quote: (...)
It was only a simulacrum, an image that this person chose to portray of themselves, but it thoroughly unnerved Yvesk. He caught himself staring at the screen and covered his blunder by clearing his throat and introducing himself. ôGreetings, I am Planetary Adminùö
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Vladimir Tehanovich
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Posted - 2011.06.12 17:27:00 -
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A solution: the 'pod' on the end of the platform isn't your actual pod, it's a storage pod for your favourite, dandiest, most stylish remote-controlled clone/android/cyborg for interaction with your capsuleer peers. You're still all slimy and hairless back in your pod, safely aboard your ship.
(also meshes well with the fact that you'd have to be mad to go wandering around in public since immortality ends the moment you leave the pod)
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.12 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Tehanovich A solution: the 'pod' on the end of the platform isn't your actual pod, it's a storage pod for your favourite, dandiest, most stylish remote-controlled clone/android/cyborg for interaction with your capsuleer peers. You're still all slimy and hairless back in your pod, safely aboard your ship.
(also meshes well with the fact that you'd have to be mad to go wandering around in public since immortality ends the moment you leave the pod)
Not saying that it's the canonical truth, just saying it's a good way to smack your disbelief back down.
And all this because there is no capsule room yet in the CQ? Sorry, but I don't feel smacked down by your fantasy.
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Vladimir Tehanovich
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Posted - 2011.06.12 17:49:00 -
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No need to apologize to me, just sharing how I'll be silencing that little voice screaming 'pods don't work that way' inside my head. If it helps you too, groovy. If not, no big deal. |
digitalwanderer
Gallente DF0 incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.12 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: digitalwanderer on 12/06/2011 19:24:25
Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Originally by: digitalwanderer (...)
It's like trying to get excited about a painting that's only 10% done and will take a couple more years until it's complete, and we're already seeing many flipping out since the pod sequence isn't following lore....I have this nagging feeling a lot more than that isn't following lore at all, such as this example here:
http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=15-06-10
That's how a real pod pilot looks with all his/her's implants, hardwirings and neural interface to the ship installed, not the fashion design show you're trying to implement with incarna on characters that are basically immortal anyhow and save for other pod pilots, will outlive anyone in those stations so making a fashion statement isn't a high priority here to say the least...
Errr... NOT:
Quote: (...)
It was only a simulacrum, an image that this person chose to portray of themselves, but it thoroughly unnerved Yvesk. He caught himself staring at the screen and covered his blunder by clearing his throat and introducing himself. ôGreetings, I am Planetary Adminùö
So there's 10 implants in the average pod pilot(5 atribute and 5 hardwirings), and equipement needed to breathe while in the pod, and receive food for sustenance and being able to take a **** and a dump every now and then, and the interfaces needed to control the ship itself, and we're supposed to believe that once they exit the pod, all they need is to clean themselves up of the goo and get into clothes and away you go?
Not no mention the ability to walk at all since while suspended in fluid within the pod, it causes muscle atrophy, weakens the heart from the lack of physical activity and bones also become more frail for the same reason.....The body only sustains parts that get used in daily activity, and there isn't much of that going on in the pod, so i think that picture might not be totally accurate but a lot closer to reality....
And here's another clue why incarna is nothing special.....I'm currently in a system that has 10 stations and about 70 people in system, and each station can handle thousands of people, but if you average those 70 people across the 10 stations and assume all of them are docked(they won't be obviously), well that's only 7 real players per station....Have fun in incarna talking and interacting to a truckload of NPC's, but not many of them will be real players..
Unless you live in jita or any other major trade hub of course......Eve would need 10x more subcribers than it currently has to distribute the pod pilots across a lot of stations in hundreds of systems basically...
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Posted - 2011.06.12 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 12/06/2011 19:36:02
Originally by: digitalwanderer stuff
@comments about ship control, breathing, nutrition, etc while in pod: I guess you can't see the bio-electronic interface that runs along each capsuleer's spine?
@comment about muscle atrophy and walking around: It's science fiction, there are plenty of ways to explain how the pod and pod goo can hinder/prevent muscle atrophy and maintain a healthy skeletal and muscle structure.
@comments about people per station: Get out of highsec missioning system and join a 0.0 alliance. You'll find 30-70 people regularly docking in a single station in a "home" system; a perfect environment for Incarna.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.12 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: digitalwanderer So there's 10 implants in the average pod pilot(5 atribute and 5 hardwirings), and equipement needed to breathe while in the pod, and receive food for sustenance and being able to take a **** and a dump every now and then, and the interfaces needed to control the ship itself, and we're supposed to believe that once they exit the pod, all they need is to clean themselves up of the goo and get into clothes and away you go?
10 implants of what size? I usually picture them as being maybe a fraction of milimeter across, like tiny pellets embedded into brain tissue at the right locations. Probably with nanotechnology to build up the apropiate wiring once implanted, which would explain why they are one-use.
Also, it's an hydrostatic pod, meaning the fluid fills the lungs (providing oxygen) and then there's those cute connectors on your spine (interface, nurture, maybe excretion?). Also, why should the goo just be a mere liquid? Could be nanites with a gazillion functions needed to keep a human body healthy in an unnatural condition.
Quote: Not no mention the ability to walk at all since while suspended in fluid within the pod, it causes muscle atrophy, weakens the heart from the lack of physical activity and bones also become more frail for the same reason.....
A good reason to get of your pod each now and then, even spend most of your time outside of the pod (assuming you're in the pod only as long as you're logged in, that wouldn't a trouble). And, of course, anyone fixing those issues would become nastily rich by providing its rich capsuleer costumers a way to not become crippled by capsuleering for extended periods of time.
I personally wouldn't buy to become some silly looking borg with 70s-style patches of metal all over my body rather than some stuff more appropiate for 23,000 years into the future. I pretty much figure capsuleers as being closer to GATTACA's astronauts in a suit or whatever their culture shapes them to be.
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries R-I-P
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Posted - 2011.06.12 20:31:00 -
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So from reading this thread and the Dev responces (thank you CCP Manifest) this appears to be another case of CCP having a design idea, running with said idea, and then promptly falling asleep half-way through the thought process...
Shame that.
If I may digress, looking at the entirety of the CQ layout, and being an architect by profession, it's just not that way I would of done it. The layout is inefficient in terms of movement flow and the division of space is kind of non existent. My biggest gripe is the balconey itself, the essence and focal point of the entire CQ experience. Don't like it, particularly the side wall and baffles over head which restricts the entire view of the docking bay. From a perspective of trying to obtain a human scale to everything, its ruining it all.
Bigger shame that...
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.12 20:35:00 -
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ànow, the only question is when we'll see those other racial CQs, since we won't be seeing them on the 21st.
And will pirate factions get their own CQs eventually, or will they just use the base empire faction CQs for all perpetuity? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.12 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 12/06/2011 20:48:28
Originally by: CCP Manifest My understanding is WHY NOT give the functionality to everyone when possible and then add the cosmetics later? Also, it's good to get something out earlier to make sure "it works" and the other versions can be optimized based off of feedback and practical, real world use.
OK, Manifest, riddle me this, if you will.
WHY NOT simply push back the expansion release date? WHY NOT deliver on your promises? WHY release an unfinished expansion? WHY the hell do we even have a test server if you're not going to test things on it? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.06.12 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Desert Ice78 If I may digress, looking at the entirety of the CQ layout, and being an architect by profession, it's just not that way I would of done it. The layout is inefficient in terms of movement flow and the division of space is kind of non existent. My biggest gripe is the balconey itself, the essence and focal point of the entire CQ experience. Don't like it, particularly the side wall and baffles over head which restricts the entire view of the docking bay. From a perspective of trying to obtain a human scale to everything, its ruining it all.
Sometimes it's really too bad that CCP doesn't allow their players to help develop the game. We know that any game that does gets marvellous results and it also attracts people who love to add something for free, which in turn makes them want to keep playing. Instead CCP is often re-inventing the wheel again.
Oh well ..
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.12 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling Sometimes it's really too bad that CCP doesn't allow their players to help develop the game. We know that any game that does gets marvellous results and it also attracts people who love to add something for free, which in turn makes them want to keep playing. Instead CCP is often re-inventing the wheel again.
This, basically. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.12 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 12/06/2011 20:48:28
Originally by: CCP Manifest My understanding is WHY NOT give the functionality to everyone when possible and then add the cosmetics later? Also, it's good to get something out earlier to make sure "it works" and the other versions can be optimized based off of feedback and practical, real world use.
OK, Manifest, riddle me this, if you will.
WHY NOT simply push back the expansion release date? WHY NOT deliver on your promises? WHY release an unfinished expansion? WHY the hell do we even have a test server if you're not going to test things on it?
If they are breaking the expansion apart (and it does sound like breaking the expansion into parts) so the number of bugs is kept to a minimum and those bugs are hunted down and killed as fast as possible... then I have absolutely no problem with ccp spreading the release of different quarters out over several patches.
I don't believe these points are valid. And for any long term view they are short lived. after the patch cycle all 4 will be there and I am not about to complain about however ccp decides is the best way from a technical standpoint to release them...
I do care about what is being released however, ad as What is being released is a problem that wont disappear once the patch cycle is finished, I suggest that that is a better area to focus our attention on.
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Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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digitalwanderer
Gallente DF0 incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.12 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: digitalwanderer on 12/06/2011 21:30:15
Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 12/06/2011 19:40:03
Originally by: digitalwanderer stuff
@comments about ship control, breathing, nutrition, etc while in pod: I guess you can't see the bio-electronic interface that runs along each capsuleer's spine?
People don't eat or breathe electricity last time i checked...
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@comment about muscle atrophy and walking around: It's science fiction, there are plenty of ways to explain how the pod and pod goo can hinder/prevent muscle atrophy and maintain a healthy skeletal and muscle structure. This is thousands of years in the future, come on...
Magic pixie dust perhaps?....These problems are present in actual space flight, so if CCP's aim is to make a global and all emcompassing game with walking in stations, fighting in space and fighting in planets( AKA dust), doing a half assed job of it and offering lame explanations and going against the original storyline of the game isn't going to cut it, period.
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@comments about people per station: Get out of highsec missioning systems and join a 0.0 corp/alliance. You'll find 30-70 people regularly docking in a single station in a "home" system; a perfect environment for Incarna.
70 people huh???....Our of a station that can hold 100 000 people or more...I'm impressed..
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.12 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Desert Ice78 So from reading this thread and the Dev responces (thank you CCP Manifest) this appears to be another case of CCP having a design idea, running with said idea, and then promptly falling asleep half-way through the thought process...
Shame that.
If I may digress, looking at the entirety of the CQ layout, and being an architect by profession, it's just not that way I would of done it. The layout is inefficient in terms of movement flow and the division of space is kind of non existent. My biggest gripe is the balconey itself, the essence and focal point of the entire CQ experience. Don't like it, particularly the side wall and baffles over head which restricts the entire view of the docking bay. From a perspective of trying to obtain a human scale to everything, its ruining it all.
Bigger shame that...
Well I am no architect... although I have watched an awful lot of grand designs if that counts ;-)
but I have to agree that having the balcony recessed removes the sense of scale having it jutting out over a giant precipice would have had.... that said having it recessed means they don't have to do a detailed render of the aforementioned multi klick high steel cliff....
I don't know if having the balcony jut out is technically feasible atm... but It would look much cooler and give a better sense of scale.
Also the lighting could use some work, I personally think it needs much more uplighting, which allows you to illuminate the avatars faces while keeping the dark and gloomy feel... it's also very sci-fi.
An awful lot also comes down to taste... as these are supposed to be the generic motel rooms of eve, and we are supposed to be getting our own more expensive, and customisable (how much?) rooms at a later date, perhaps we can express our own design ideals on those.... Perhaps have our own in game Grand designs contest and such?
The main problem with CCP Manifests's responses ... which is not his fault... is he is in customer relations, not game design... And a lot of the questions need proper design team answers... That's not to say CCP Manifest's responses are not helpful, or appreciated (by me at least). But we need some more detailed and technical feedback as well. __________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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Fractal Muse
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Posted - 2011.06.12 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Soden Rah
And a lot of the questions need proper design team answers... That's not to say CCP Manifest's responses are not helpful, or appreciated (by me at least). But we need some more detailed and technical feedback as well.
No, you or 'we' don't 'need' more technical feedback.
I, for one, am quite content with how the expansion will be handled. I don't need any technical feedback and, really, I don't want any either.
You would like some and that's cool but it isn't a 'need' it is a 'want' and you are only likely to get it by not demanding for it but by asking politely.
I hope the ability to have the captain's quarter and the whole walk in stations thing turned off remains always. There are bound to be days when I don't want to leave my ship and would rather just dock, interact with the station from the ship, and undock. There will be days when I wanna go hang out and do whatever in the station. Give us that flexibility and I will be a very happy camper.
As to CCP's sense of humour - I love watching trolls get flamed by CCP it just makes me laugh every time. Please don't ever stop.
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Xenuria
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.12 22:27:00 -
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I DEMAND an answer from CCP as to why Eve Pilots are constrained to a primitive binary gender system!
It's the future why can't we be both? Also Why can't we be naked in our CQ? "Sorry, Your Sov Options are Unavailable due to a PSN Outage."
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.12 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Fractal Muse
Originally by: Soden Rah
And a lot of the questions need proper design team answers... That's not to say CCP Manifest's responses are not helpful, or appreciated (by me at least). But we need some more detailed and technical feedback as well.
No, you or 'we' don't 'need' more technical feedback.
I, for one, am quite content with how the expansion will be handled. I don't need any technical feedback and, really, I don't want any either.
You would like some and that's cool but it isn't a 'need' it is a 'want' and you are only likely to get it by not demanding for it but by asking politely.
I hope the ability to have the captain's quarter and the whole walk in stations thing turned off remains always. There are bound to be days when I don't want to leave my ship and would rather just dock, interact with the station from the ship, and undock. There will be days when I wanna go hang out and do whatever in the station. Give us that flexibility and I will be a very happy camper.
As to CCP's sense of humour - I love watching trolls get flamed by CCP it just makes me laugh every time. Please don't ever stop.
I was referring to the fact that answering the questions requires actually talking to the design team. which CCP Manifest said, by saying, I can't answer as I am not a designer...
Also in the broader scheme of my posts on the subject you would see that it is from the perspective of trying to adequately test and give feedback on the test servers that we need the feedback. So yes need was the right word, although I could understand you not understanding based just on that post. I am working on the assumption that most people commenting on this issue are also reading my posts on the subject in test feedback and info portal, and other threads in general.
I have to assume this because trying to operate under the assumption that everyone is coming to each thread fresh would be very boring and repetitive for those that have read my other posts... and take too long to type anyway.
Also I am not trolling/being trolled by CCP Manifest... he has responded very helpfully to my posts, (and others posts) and I have thanked him for that. My post makes sense in the broader context of my other posts on the subject, and to/with CCP Manifest. __________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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CCP Manifest
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Posted - 2011.06.13 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris STUFF BOLDED BELOW
OK, Manifest, riddle me this, if you will.
WHY NOT simply push back the expansion release date? I guess I didn't make it clear enough in my previous response, but I think the idea behind it is to (1) get out the functionality to players as soon as it is ready and (2) use that opportunity to gather feedback to possibly be able to make the other ones even better.
WHY NOT deliver on your promises? Which promises specifically? I can say that most things we haven't "delivered" on happen for very very sound logic that coincide with having a business making some of the most complex types of online interactions around. Usually it's a matter of time and technology to be honest, not the will to make them happen.
WHY release an unfinished expansion? That depends on your perspective. In my opinion we're releasing the expansion finished, just in chunks as those chunks are finished. If it helps to consider it, we're releasing 1.0 finished, will release 1.1 finished and so on. It's a shift in the way we're delivering things and for many reasons it is better. Yes, before you get to it, there are some things about it not as good...but we believe those to be outweighed.
WHY the hell do we even have a test server if you're not going to test things on it? We have been testing things on it. I've been there, in many of those tests. Maybe we don't test everything on it at all times, but due to the nature of our development cycle, that's just not possible.
Hope those clarifications help.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.13 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia ànow, the only question is when we'll see those other racial CQs, since we won't be seeing them on the 21st.
And will pirate factions get their own CQs eventually, or will they just use the base empire faction CQs for all perpetuity?
If I'd to go with expect the worst, so you can't be disappointed and CCPs history I experienced so far:
- all other racial CQ within 2-6 months - pirate faction CQ never
I know, a Blood Raider CQ would go places.
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Originally by: Xenuria I DEMAND an answer from CCP as to why Eve Pilots are constrained to a primitive binary gender system!
Clearly a missed opportunity CCP t0rfifrans will undoubtedly champion next expansion. He's simply fascinated with quints.
Originally by: Xenuria It's the future why can't we be both?
What about neither?!
Originally by: Xenuria Also Why can't we be naked in our CQ?
Because one-too-many a capsuleer has surprised the cleaning crews with their "Titans" by being so. The Hospitality Unions of New Eden are powerful things and have currently convinced the corporations who sponsor pod pilots to demand fully maintained clothage in their contracts.
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Erim Solfara
Amarr inFluX.
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Posted - 2011.06.13 02:55:00 -
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Edited by: Erim Solfara on 13/06/2011 02:56:01 Manifest your attention and diligence on this thread is greatly appreciated, early issues aside!
On topic: I too despise the tacked on pod, hopefully that'll see some iteration when we get more than one room for our CQ.
I'm also on board with the incremental patch process, it's taking what Kali/Revelations did and I can see why it's a better deployment method, hopefully it'll result in more complete features too, with no 'well I'm glad that's over' moment when the deadline passes.
About the picture posted earlier, of the grotesque capsuleer, covered in implants, we should be ALLOWED to do that! It's been my primary complaint about the new character creator since release that it simply isn't sci-fi. I went and made a fat, bald and unshaven chinese guy in a white tshirt and jeans to test this, he looked like someone's landlord, not an immortal star-faring demi-god!
The current polished and gorgeous avatars are fine, but we should definitely be given more implants, prosthesises, bionics, etc. We should be able to make ourselves look truely terrifying to non-capsuleers if we want, eccentricity is a defining trait of bored rich immortals in alot of sci-fi literature!
(Also, none of the above should be behind a fscking micro-transaction paywall, but that's not going to be addressed here, so I'll hold my tongue.)
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.13 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: digitalwanderer *snip* People don't eat or breathe electricity last time i checked, and certainly don't have lungs or a stomach anywhere near their spine either, and where is that oxigen and food coming from in the first place... Stored inside the pod perhaps, maybe from the fluid you're suspended in, but what happends when you have to take a dump or pee?....
1) those interfaces on the spine should be able to interconnect with the bloodstream, which is the way your body transports nutrients and waste 2) if you got faecal matter you are supposed to have a tube up your rectum 3) your skin does emit waste also (urea for example) which has to be absorbed by the goo and as you might know from creaming yourself in with sun-blocker or tattooing or being sting by insects, the skin is permeable too
Originally by: digitalwanderer *snip* Magic pixie dust perhaps?....These problems are present in actual space flight, so if CCP's aim is to make a global and all emcompassing game with walking in stations, fighting in space and fighting in planets( AKA dust), doing a half assed job of it and offering lame explanations and going against the original storyline of the game isn't going to cut it, period. *snap*
Imagine insect bites wouldn't hurt at the first moment (well, mosquitoes or leaches don't hurt at first to be true) and instead of injecting blood thinner and sucking blood, they would actually inject drugs and nanomachines/genetically modified repair stuff to help your body to stay healthy. It's not even that far away.. (Reinventing Humanity - The Future of Machine-Human Intelligence by Ray Kurzweil, page 3 in the pdf, column on the right 'The Genetic Revolution')
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Black Dranzer
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.13 03:04:00 -
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>Start a thread almost identical to this a couple of weeks ago >Slagged off, called a whiner, accused of trolling >Today, see this thread >Pretty much exactly the same core premise >Dev responses, six pages of moderately civilized discussion
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.13 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Soden Rah *snip*
The main problem with CCP Manifests's responses ... which is not his fault... is he is in customer relations, not game design... And a lot of the questions need proper design team answers... That's not to say CCP Manifest's responses are not helpful, or appreciated (by me at least). But we need some more detailed and technical feedback as well.
This. At the moment CCP acts over long distances on a modus of operandi that resembles leaching/sponging from a testers point of view. They put up stuff for testing without much explanations what the intentions are and which state this stuff is in and what we should expect from it, then people voluntary test this, give feedback (or rant) and most of the time that's it. No feedback loop, except there is a new test and you retest the stuff you already gave feedback on and you can check if it's still in the former state. This still doesn't help you with the important bits: what to expect and what the intentions are.
Sisi at the moment is more or less a tech-showcase of stuff that's there without any specs or annotations. But that's not the definition of a testing system, is it?
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.13 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Black Dranzer >Start a thread almost identical to this a couple of weeks ago >Slagged off, called a whiner, accused of trolling >Today, see this thread >Pretty much exactly the same core premise >Dev responses, six pages of moderately civilized discussion
See, you didn't pose in public, covered with goo (*) and started off with an ambiguous title to attract the thread pushers.. that's the fine but important difference
*) see page 3
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Selinate
Amarr Mocking Birds
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Posted - 2011.06.13 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: Xenuria I DEMAND an answer from CCP as to why Eve Pilots are constrained to a primitive binary gender system!
Clearly a missed opportunity CCP t0rfifrans will undoubtedly champion next expansion. He's simply fascinated with quints.
Originally by: Xenuria It's the future why can't we be both?
What about neither?!
Originally by: Xenuria Also Why can't we be naked in our CQ?
Because one-too-many a capsuleer has surprised the cleaning crews with their "Titans" by being so. The Hospitality Unions of New Eden are powerful things and have currently convinced the corporations who sponsor pod pilots to demand fully maintained clothage in their contracts.
bahahahahahahahahahaha.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.13 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris STUFF BOLDED BELOW
OK, Manifest, riddle me this, if you will.
WHY NOT simply push back the expansion release date? I guess I didn't make it clear enough in my previous response, but I think the idea behind it is to (1) get out the functionality to players as soon as it is ready and (2) use that opportunity to gather feedback to possibly be able to make the other ones even better.
*snip*
Please, don't leave us in the dark on our feedback. I'd appreciate some feedback on the feedback.
If that's not possible because of the age of stuff that's on Sisi for testing vs. the state the Devs are working on right now (1 week? 2 weeks?) and feedback isn't deemed productive by the Devs, then please say so. I rather understand that this was intended to work this way and in reality it doesn't instead of feeling to be ignored.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.13 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest *Xenuria being creamed*
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digitalwanderer
Gallente DF0 incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.13 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tres Farmer
1) those interfaces on the spine should be able to interconnect with the bloodstream, which is the way your body transports nutrients and waste
Where's the oxigen come from, and how to evacuate the harmfull C02(carbon dioxide), and where do you get your food source from?
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2) if you got faecal matter you are supposed to have a tube up your rectum
Would be a riot having to plug and unplug those and whatever is used for urine evacuation each time you dock and undock now that we think about it, especially with the minmatar CQ and the highly exposed balcony for everyone to see....
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3) your skin does emit waste also (urea for example) which has to be absorbed by the goo and as you might know from creaming yourself in with sun-blocker or tattooing or being sting by insects, the skin is permeable too
So does that mean the goo eventually needs to be replaced as it gets progressively contaminated?
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Imagine insect bites wouldn't hurt at the first moment (well, mosquitoes or leaches don't hurt at first to be true) and instead of injecting blood thinner and sucking blood, they would actually inject drugs and nanomachines/genetically modified repair stuff to help your body to stay healthy. It's not even that far away.. (Reinventing Humanity - The Future of Machine-Human Intelligence by Ray Kurzweil, page 3 in the pdf, column on the right 'The Genetic Revolution')
Not talking repairing organs, but the simple biological process where the body only maintains functionality levels to a given performance state if said organs are actually used consistently on a daily basis....Sort of like the difference between someone that routinely runs a marathon, and someone that tries to do so, having never done it before and is gasping for air and close to having a heart attack in less than 10 minutes of running....
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digitalwanderer
Gallente DF0 incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.13 03:46:00 -
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Personally, and this is just an idea, i'd rather have the pilot come out of the pod while still in his ship in specially designed installations for that effect, wich would allow for all the privacy needed to throw up, clean up, unplug whatever needs to be unplugged and get dressed, then use a smaller hover platform that the pilot controls and flies towards the captains quarters.....Simple and efficient.
The other point is that the single large dock where your battleship is located should also be much larger than it is and house all sorts of different ships, not just your own, as i don't believe for 1 second that if the station has 100+ pilots in their captains quarters, that there are 100+ seperate hangars for each ship....Stations just aren't that large.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.13 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: Xenuria I DEMAND an answer from CCP as to why Eve Pilots are constrained to a primitive binary gender system!
They're not. They're only constrained to a largely accurate binary sex system. As far as I can tell, there is nothing to keep you from assuming any gender you like. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.13 04:09:00 -
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Edited by: Tres Farmer on 13/06/2011 04:13:07 Disclaimer: I'm not a guru of the lore, might even just qualify as a noob in that regard. So anyone, who can refer to the corresponding passages in the chronicles/short-stories is more than welcome (to correct me )
Originally by: digitalwanderer
Originally by: T Farmer those interfaces on the spine should be able to interconnect with the bloodstream, which is the way your body transports nutrients and waste
Where's the oxigen come from, and how to evacuate the harmfull C02(carbon dioxide), and where do you get your food source from?
Red blood-cells transport the stuff (O2, CO2) and exchange on a chemical level where "appropriate" afaik. For example if you got a kidney failure your blood accumulates waste that once the concentration is high enough is toxic for you. Current technology (besides exchanging a kidney) is to divert a part of your bloodstream through a device that filters the waste:
Originally by: digitalwanderer
Originally by: T Farmer if you got faecal matter you are supposed to have a tube up your rectum
Would be a riot having to plug and unplug those and whatever is used for urine evacuation each time you dock and undock now that we think about it, especially with the minmatar CQ and the highly exposed balcony for everyone to see....
A riot? Afaik that's what this whole thread is about (and others on the matter).. according to the lore it's exactly such a process. That's why not just the I-want-to-fly-spaceships-not-dress-up-barbie-die-hards are so upset about the current CQ implementation. The role players don't consider it funny either what's being suggested by CCP (dock and you stand in your CQ 10 seconds later completely dressed up, every time).
Originally by: digitalwanderer
Originally by: T Farmer your skin does emit waste also (urea for example) which has to be absorbed by the goo and as you might know from creaming yourself in with sun-blocker or tattooing or being sting by insects, the skin is permeable too
So does that mean the goo eventually needs to be replaced as it gets progressively contaminated?
Replaced? Na, filtering and reuse (recycling) is the vision you're looking for. Look at the ISS, which is current technology and what they do there with urine: Quote: Liquid waste is evacuated by a hose connected to the front of the toilet, with anatomically correct ôurine funnel adaptersö attached to the tube so both men and women can use the same toilet. Waste is collected and transferred to the Water Recovery System, where it is recycled back into drinking water.
Originally by: digitalwanderer
Originally by: T Farmer Imagine insect bites wouldn't hurt at the first moment (well, mosquitoes or leaches don't hurt at first to be true) and instead of injecting blood thinner and sucking blood, they would actually inject drugs and nanomachines/genetically modified repair stuff to help your body to stay healthy. It's not even that far away.. (Reinventing Humanity - The Future of Machine-Human Intelligence by Ray Kurzweil, page 3 in the pdf, column on the right 'The Genetic Revolution')
Not talking repairing organs, but the simple biological process where the body only maintains functionality levels to a given performance state if said organs are actually used consistently on a daily basis....Sort of like the difference between someone that routinely runs a marathon, and someone that tries to do so, having never done it before and is gasping for air and close to having a heart attack in less than 10 minutes of running....
Electrical muscle stimulation It's not hard to imagine that there would be some genetic/nano stuff that is able to counter the threats to your bodies health.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.13 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: digitalwanderer *snip* The other point is that the single large dock where your battleship is located should also be much larger than it is and house all sorts of different ships, not just your own, as i don't believe for 1 second that if the station has 100+ pilots in their captains quarters, that there are 100+ seperate hangars for each ship....Stations just aren't that large.
1) Afaik CCP said we'd see a comeback of the Pleasure hub at some point in the future (read: they will rework the current hangar/docking pads/station interiors) 2) I assume current time/personnel-constraints and 1) caused the (re)use of the current interiors without new shineys/fluff
PS: I'm with ya. Want naow!
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.13 04:24:00 -
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Edited by: Tres Farmer on 13/06/2011 04:25:33
Forgot that one:
Originally by: digitalwanderer
Originally by: Tres Farmer 1) those interfaces on the spine should be able to interconnect with the bloodstream, which is the way your body transports nutrients and waste
Where's the oxigen come from, and how to evacuate the harmfull C02(carbon dioxide), and where do you get your food source from? *snip*
Originally by: Wikipedia Parenteral nutrition (PN) is feeding a person intravenously, bypassing the usual process of eating and digestion. The person receives nutritional formulas that contain nutrients such as salts, glucose, amino acids, lipids and added vitamins. It is called total parenteral nutrition (TPN) or total nutrient admixture (TNA) when no food is given by other routes.
Again, no scifi but current reality.
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digitalwanderer
Gallente DF0 incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.13 04:54:00 -
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Edited by: digitalwanderer on 13/06/2011 04:54:13
Originally by: Tres Farmer Edited by: Tres Farmer on 13/06/2011 04:25:33
Forgot that one:
Originally by: digitalwanderer
Originally by: Tres Farmer 1) those interfaces on the spine should be able to interconnect with the bloodstream, which is the way your body transports nutrients and waste
Where's the oxigen come from, and how to evacuate the harmfull C02(carbon dioxide), and where do you get your food source from? *snip*
Originally by: Wikipedia Parenteral nutrition (PN) is feeding a person intravenously, bypassing the usual process of eating and digestion. The person receives nutritional formulas that contain nutrients such as salts, glucose, amino acids, lipids and added vitamins. It is called total parenteral nutrition (TPN) or total nutrient admixture (TNA) when no food is given by other routes.
I get your point, but where is it stored in the first place, not so much the delivery method to get it inside the body itself....Is it stored in the pod itself or are there built in connections for those on the outer hull of the pod and food supply,oxigen,CO2,waste disposal located on the ship the pod is ultimately connected too when out in space.....It adds further credibility that getting out of the pod should happen within the ship itself as all the life support facilities to handle pods are contained within the ship.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.13 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: digitalwanderer *snip* I get your point, but where is it stored in the first place, not so much the delivery method to get it inside the body itself... Is it stored in the pod itself or are there built in connections for those on the outer hull of the pod and food supply,oxigen,CO2,waste disposal located on the ship itself, and where the pod is ultimately connected too when the ship is out in space.....It adds further credibility that getting out of the pod should happen within the ship itself as all the life support facilities to handle pods are contained within the ship.
The pod has a warpdrive for some time now (plus thrusters that stabilise your flight), all kinds of communications interfaces that let you connect to all kinds of networks (local, player channels, market, planetary control), a camera drone compartment + a camera drone that flies with you, a power source that let's you use all those things and keeps you above freezing temperature of water and according to the latest lore-additions a compartment which stores some clothes for you to wear once you get out of it
I'm going out on a limp here, but I'd bet some money that it also has got some storage for nutrients plus the needed connections to your ship for longer flights and replacement of those rations. Naturally I don't have a drawing or schematics of that
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.06.13 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: digitalwanderer
So there's 10 implants in the average pod pilot(5 atribute and 5 hardwirings), and equipement needed to breathe while in the pod, and receive food for sustenance and being able to take a **** and a dump every now and then, and the interfaces needed to control the ship itself, and we're supposed to believe that once they exit the pod, all they need is to clean themselves up of the goo and get into clothes and away you go?
No. This.
Originally by: Scientific Articles [...] a hydrostatic pod, filled with fluid intended to nurture the body through a state of what is essentially suspended animation [...]
On the other hand has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? ________________________________________________
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Heroldyn Yhamad
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Posted - 2011.06.13 10:48:00 -
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djenghis jan
Amarr Debiloff
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Posted - 2011.06.13 12:16:00 -
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Maybe there is a good defense for strauss kahn in here somewhere. Eve made me do it!
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.13 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tres Farmer
Originally by: digitalwanderer *snip* I get your point, but where is it stored in the first place, not so much the delivery method to get it inside the body itself... Is it stored in the pod itself or are there built in connections for those on the outer hull of the pod and food supply,oxigen,CO2,waste disposal located on the ship itself, and where the pod is ultimately connected too when the ship is out in space.....It adds further credibility that getting out of the pod should happen within the ship itself as all the life support facilities to handle pods are contained within the ship.
The pod has a warpdrive for some time now (plus thrusters that stabilise your flight), all kinds of communications interfaces that let you connect to all kinds of networks (local, player channels, market, planetary control), a camera drone compartment + a camera drone that flies with you, a power source that let's you use all those things and keeps you above freezing temperature of water and according to the latest lore-additions a compartment which stores some clothes for you to wear once you get out of it
I'm going out on a limp here, but I'd bet some money that it also has got some storage for nutrients plus the needed connections to your ship for longer flights and replacement of those rations. Naturally I don't have a drawing or schematics of that
All it needs is a power supply. and a method for converting waste, CO2 and 'other' waste back into nutrients (perfectly possible tech). On earth waste is converted by plants using solar power back into food. The pod just has a mechanised version, powered by fusion or some such. the only thing that needs resupplying is the power source... and as nuclear reactors take very little refuelling it probably doesn't have to happen very often. Certainly not often enough to bother us. __________________________________________________
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.13 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: Xenuria I DEMAND an answer from CCP as to why Eve Pilots are constrained to a primitive binary gender system!
Clearly a missed opportunity CCP t0rfifrans will undoubtedly champion next expansion. He's simply fascinated with quints.
Originally by: Xenuria It's the future why can't we be both?
What about neither?!
Originally by: Xenuria Also Why can't we be naked in our CQ?
Because one-too-many a capsuleer has surprised the cleaning crews with their "Titans" by being so. The Hospitality Unions of New Eden are powerful things and have currently convinced the corporations who sponsor pod pilots to demand fully maintained clothage in their contracts.
I see no reason why eve shouldn't recognise more than the standard 2 genders, both from a RP SciFi perspective, and simply because as we know there really are more than 2 genders and frankly in this day and age that should be acknowledged and reflected... and you never know it might help expand your player base. And of course that should include the option for (what Ian M. Banks referred to in his latest Culture novel as) Neuter gender. particularly as you don't seem to have added the relevant assets to our avatars for them to be anything other than that ;-)
And funny response :-)
BTW one question you haven't addressed that I and others have asked... that should be really easy to answer...
Only 50 ship fittings !?!??
why did we lose them and can we have our unlimited fittings back please? (plus funny vid of person responsible being thrown off roof or similar to go with.)
I realise that this isn't Incarna/CQ related, but we have upcoming patches and there a fair few who would like that fix to be in there. And as I say, I don't see how answering and sorting that problem should be hard.
And again, thank you for taking the time to post responses. __________________________________________________
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S'qarpium D'igil
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Not sure why I'm bothering, since you seem to enjoy arguing regardless of how plausible our responses are. In spite of that, here you go.
Originally by: digitalwanderer
Where's the oxigen come from, and how to evacuate the harmfull C02(carbon dioxide), and where do you get your food source from?
Someone mentioned this before me, I think, but here you go: Liquid Breathing
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ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.13 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest To answer RaidÆEnÆs question. We will be releasing on the 21 with Minmatar quarters only and then adding the other ones as soon as possible thereafter. Yes this will be
(wait,let me finish) legendarily stupid!
So instead of giving us at least the proper amount of actually non-gameplay relevant cupboards, we get to see the same hostel booth in EVERY station?
Just effin¦ super.
I could now go on with stuff like, "SISI, fraking use IT instead of Tranq for testing..". Or "Excellence? Would be a great idea right now."
But I¦m simply dissapoint, and frankly am increasingly caring less and less. This is how bittervets are born, in case you¦re wondering. ______________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
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Here in Brazil we use to walk almost naked on the streets (yes, we are minmitar savages lol)... would not be a problem, here at least
Also, why don't CCP improve the pod technology? ...connecting pilots to their capsules in a chair, matrix style
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Isha Steel
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Posted - 2011.06.13 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: ivar R'dhak
Originally by: CCP Manifest To answer RaidÆEnÆs question. We will be releasing on the 21 with Minmatar quarters only and then adding the other ones as soon as possible thereafter. Yes this will be
(wait,let me finish) legendarily stupid!
So instead of giving us at least the proper amount of actually non-gameplay relevant cupboards, we get to see the same hostel booth in EVERY station?
Just effin¦ super.
I could now go on with stuff like, "SISI, fraking use IT instead of Tranq for testing..". Or "Excellence? Would be a great idea right now."
But I¦m simply dissapoint, and frankly am increasingly caring less and less. This is how bittervets are born, in case you¦re wondering.
I have no idea how people have this view.
So rather than have the new as they come toys as soon as their ready you'd rather wait and have them all at once but months later?
Screw that I want the toys now even if it's only the start, rather than sitting on my arse waiting for months just so you can have them all in one go >.>
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Letrange
Minmatar Red Horizon Inc Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.13 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: Lady Spank CCP are a complete joke and don't give a damn about immersion.
What kind of immersion would satisfy someone named Lady Spank?
I have characters I role play on. This is a PVP char. Thanks for skirting the issue yet again.
o.O Don't you mean PvE since as I recall Lady Spank spent most of her time in the station in ZLZ messing with the market?
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.13 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: KamikazeBrAzIl Here in Brazil we use to walk almost naked on the streets (yes, we are minmitar savages lol)... would not be a problem, here at least
Also, why don't CCP improve the pod technology? ...connecting pilots to their capsules in a chair, matrix style
and after a few hours in the matrix style chair when the pilot wants to pee they have to do what? disconnect and leave the ship floating and vulnerable while they pee... or dock up...
The pod is actually much more advanced than the matrix chair. __________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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CCP Manifest
C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.13 15:15:00 -
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Don't you guys know the answer to all of these issues is simply...
NANITES.
CCP Manifest Public Relations and Social Media|| Iniquitous Brute |
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2011.06.13 15:23:00 -
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CCP, I think the issue here is not having an explanation as to what happens to our pilots during the docking process. I don't mean a technicnobabble explanation, I mean a description of what our pilots see, hear, feel and so on during the docking process. Sure we can all make stuff up. I can make something up:
As soon an your docking request is accepted, and automatic process starts in your pod. The fluid is drained, you are cleaned, dried, unplugged, and you are dressed in the clothes stored in the pod. As soon as your ship docks the pod is disengaged from it and flies over to the balcony and out you step; clean, dry, and clothed.
Nice story, but CCP, here is the point:
Its not part of the game, not canon, until you say its canon.
If you said something like the above is whats happening, then you could modify the content to reinforce it. For example, move the pod up to the level of the balcony and have our pilots appear just outside its open doors, as though we just stepped out. Also you could replace the "loading" message we see when CQ is loading with "Draining" followed by "Cleaning" then "Dressing", followed by the view of our avatar standing beside the pod.
Could we have a little more of the storyline here? Please?
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Azahni Vah'nos
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.13 15:32:00 -
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SF game = imagination required. Yes, yes I know some people don't have one ... poor soles.
All the discussion about how capsuleers would be sustained within their pod, not too difficult to explain away in a SF future. Do you not think that in the time setting of the EvE universe that scientists wouldn't have been able to re-create a womb like environment? Did you need an aqualung, waste tubes, etc, etc when you were immersed in fluid in the womb?
Many people only look at what is possible now, if you talked about something like mobile phones back in the middle ages you'd probably have been burned at the stake because they wouldn't have been able to fathom what you were talking about! We literally have no idea at what may be possible in the far distant future, things not even thought of as yet.
p.s. Waiting patiently for our EvE Canon Overlords (CCP) to tell us how it is possible
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KamikazeBrAzIl
Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.13 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest Don't you guys know the answer to all of these issues is simply...
NANITES.
Well, looks like our clothes are made from nanites and dissolves every time it gets in contact with the fluid inside the capsule
When docking, nanite particles regroup 'assembling' our outfits
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.13 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 13/06/2011 16:12:28
Originally by: CCP Manifest WHY NOT simply push back the expansion release date? I guess I didn't make it clear enough in my previous response, but I think the idea behind it is to (1) get out the functionality to players as soon as it is ready
Sooner does NOT equal better.
Originally by: CCP Manifest and (2) use that opportunity to gather feedback to possibly be able to make the other ones even better.
That's what the test server's for!
Originally by: CCP Manifest WHY NOT deliver on your promises? Which promises specifically?
Almost everyone was previously under the impression that we'd be able to use all art assets on all races when the character creator came out, but that was taken away for a reason that was never adequately explained. You haven't delivered on the many promises that've been made over the last three years to fix very basic things about factional warfare, or even that you'll listen to what those problems are, to the point where I'm now forced to talk to one of your employees on Twitter to get anyone's attention about factional warfare.
I guess it was unfair of me to expect you to deliver all four captain's quarters in one go?
Originally by: CCP Manifest That depends on your perspective. In my opinion we're releasing the expansion finished, just in chunks as those chunks are finished.
This chunk is missing three-quarters of its goddamn content! You could avert this situation by simply pushing back the date of release until all your art assets were finished, which would also give you time to, I don't know, apply some basic fixes to factional warfare or let Team BFF roll out a few more fixes.
Originally by: CCP Manifest If it helps to consider it, we're releasing 1.0 finished
No, it won't be, because we'll be missing three out of four captain's quarters!
Originally by: CCP Manifest will release 1.1 finished and so on. It's a shift in the way we're delivering things and for many reasons it is better.
How?
Originally by: CCP Manifest Yes, before you get to it, there are some things about it not as good...but we believe those to be outweighed.
What?
Originally by: CCP Manifest We have been testing things on it. I've been there, in many of those tests. Maybe we don't test everything on it at all times, but due to the nature of our development cycle, that's just not possible.
Well a good deal of the rather urgent suggestions about Captain's Quarters - most egregiously, the fact that almost everyone wants it to be purely optional - don't seem to be getting any CCP response at all. Then there's this thing here where you're trying to use Tranquility as the test server, in which you're going to find out - from people with a lot less patience than me (and trust me, that's saying something) - exactly the same things we've been telling you in the Test Server Forums (decrease the system requirements, restore the old hangar view and make CQ entirely optional, why the hell didn't you release all four racial CQs, why can't I access all art assets on all races etc.). It's just that the people will be telling you these things more loudly and more angrily than us.
Originally by: CCP Manifest Hope those clarifications help.
Only to get a picture of the downsides of CCP's current release policies. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Ana Vyr
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Posted - 2011.06.13 16:29:00 -
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OK, so here we are, the most powerful and richest pilots in the known world coming in to dock at a station.
We get assigned a berth and our ships are towed into dock. So far so good.
Then, it appears we must eject our pod from the ship and fly it over to a balcony overlooking the docking bay, and land it on this small little platform attached to the balcony. There, it seems we must decant ourselves from the pod and walk into our room, which is fairly spartan. This is the disconnect right here.
For the money we represent to the station, you'd think a little more luxury or service would be available? Presumably we have pre-ordered our clothing which would be waiting in our rooms? Isn't this a bit like Bill Gates checking into a motel?
I guess things may be different in the EvE universe. Maybe this does represent luxury, and normal folks live in little "coffins" strung up on racks like a human warehouse or something.
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S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2011.06.13 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 13/06/2011 16:31:41 ATTN: CCP RE: How to make your players happy: Dear CCP,
Please fix/add the pod room that we all want, and also please make the CQ optional after docking to the existing hanger view.
Humble regards, A concerned customer
PS. We asked for walking in stations. We didn't ask for you to force it on us, cut corners, and break the existing lore in the process.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.06.13 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ana Vyr
For the money we represent to the station, you'd think a little more luxury or service would be available? Presumably we have pre-ordered our clothing which would be waiting in our rooms? Isn't this a bit like Bill Gates checking into a motel?
Not just checking into a motel, but being forceably ejected from your expensive ride to check into a motel. ... If you like choice please support this topic in the Assembly Hall. Thanks.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.13 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 13/06/2011 16:45:07 ATTN: CCP RE: How to make your players happy with your new expansion Dear CCP,
Please fix/add the pod room that we all want, and also please make the CQ optional after docking to the existing hanger view. These are universally-requested changes from players of all demographics.
Humble regards, A concerned customer
PS. We asked for walking in stations. We didn't ask for you to force it on us, cut corners, and break the existing lore in the process.
This. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Playing Eve
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Posted - 2011.06.13 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ana Vyr
I guess things may be different in the EvE universe. Maybe this does represent luxury, and normal folks live in little "coffins" strung up on racks like a human warehouse or something.
I'm assuming that the non-gods have accommodations more like this.
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digitalwanderer
Gallente DF0 incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.13 18:40:00 -
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Edited by: digitalwanderer on 13/06/2011 18:43:26 Edited by: digitalwanderer on 13/06/2011 18:41:28
Originally by: Tres Farmer
The pod has a warpdrive for some time now (plus thrusters that stabilise your flight), all kinds of communications interfaces that let you connect to all kinds of networks (local, player channels, market, planetary control), a camera drone compartment + a camera drone that flies with you, a power source that let's you use all those things and keeps you above freezing temperature of water and according to the latest lore-additions a compartment which stores some clothes for you to wear once you get out of it
Think about it though what the entire list of requirements for a pod would be like though, and i might be missing some here:
1:Power source. 2:Provide nutrients and oxigen and CO2 scrubbers and waste management and/or recycling,including their storage. 3:Propulsion(both thrusters and warp drive). 4:Navigation systems to reach a specific destination, then that data is supplied to the warp drive or thrusters. 5:Temperature control(it is -200*C in space at least). 6:Armor,hull and shields(small amounts for sure, but they are there just the same). 7:Neural interface to the host ship to be able to control it's systems. 8:Equipement to allow the pilots conciousness and memories and skills to transfer to another clone if podded,even if the clone is in another region. 9:Basic sensor system to scan anything in close proximity. 10:EM radiation protection from the sun within that solar system(solar flares being the worst case scenario). 11:Gamma ray protection wich is present in the entire universe(has the ability to mutate DNA, nasty thing). 12:Mechanism to allow the pilot to exit the pod and enter it repeatedly as he/she docks or undocks at will. 13:Provide a means to store clothing within the pod, as the pilot is suspended in fluid and butt naked(the fluid + pilot alone will take a lot of internal volume within the pod). 14:All the above has to physically fit in a pod just a few meters high and a couple of meters wide...
It would be a marvel of functionality and space efficiency to say the least....
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2011.06.13 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: digitalwanderer
It would be a marvel of functionality and space efficiency to say the least....
The Jovians gave us this tech. Now imagine an entire Jove ship made to this level of functionality and space efficiency. And be afraid. Be very very afraid.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.13 18:51:00 -
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Well it is Jovian tech, and Jovians basically play in godmode. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.06.13 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Well it is Jovian tech, and Jovians basically play in godmode.
It's actually pretty old jovian tech, too. --------
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digitalwanderer
Gallente DF0 incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.13 19:01:00 -
[204]
Don't remind me...I've been waiting for 8 years with regards to being a jove eventually...Silly dreams of a someone who started playing this game in 2003...
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.13 19:32:00 -
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I'm still wondering when they're going to bring the Jovian faces back. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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KamikazeBrAzIl
Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.13 19:39:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris I'm still wondering when they're going to bring the Jovian faces back.
Aftere Dust, full incarna, walking on stations and stuff... 2025
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.13 19:57:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Awesome Possum Game play is based on game design, this game has always been a spaceship game.
Fail. This game was always a sci-fi MMO. Noone proclaimed that there'd be no walking in station or planetary landings. Or brothels with blackjack and hookers. You do have option to not load CQ at all. Gladly, my docking times halved with it, as it does not need to load station environment at all. -- Thanks CCP for cu |
ImCoolerThanYou
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Posted - 2011.06.13 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia And will pirate factions get their own CQs eventually, or will they just use the base empire faction CQs for all perpetuity?
How would that work since you can't officially pick a pirate faction to align with from the get go?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.13 20:09:00 -
[209]
Originally by: ImCoolerThanYou
Originally by: Tippia And will pirate factions get their own CQs eventually, or will they just use the base empire faction CQs for all perpetuity?
How would that work since you can't officially pick a pirate faction to align with from the get go?
You dock in a pirate station. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
KamikazeBrAzIl
Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.13 20:17:00 -
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Edited by: KamikazeBrAzIl on 13/06/2011 20:17:15
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: ImCoolerThanYou
Originally by: Tippia And will pirate factions get their own CQs eventually, or will they just use the base empire faction CQs for all perpetuity?
How would that work since you can't officially pick a pirate faction to align with from the get go?
You dock in a pirate station.
Pirate stations should not allow us to use their CQ
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.13 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: KamikazeBrAzIl Pirate stations should not allow us to use their CQ
Why not? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.13 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tonto Auri You do have option to not load CQ at all. Gladly, my docking times halved with it, as it does not need to load station environment at all.
No. This is a flawed argument. What we're saying is we want CQ to be optional, and have the old hangar view available when we don't want to be in CQ. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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KamikazeBrAzIl
Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.13 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: KamikazeBrAzIl Pirate stations should not allow us to use their CQ
Why not?
because they are enemies, we kill them and they kill carebears lol
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.13 20:33:00 -
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As there seems to be so much growing consensus on the subject... I wondered if you wouldn't like to head on over to Assembly hall, and sign the petition I have going on the subject. And for those of you who have already posted, most of you forgot to actually support it, so if you could do that too ;-)
__________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.13 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Sooner does NOT equal better.
Unless you're a genius or a fool, you can always make thing better. And better. And better. They release it when they feel it ready. No point in pushing release into the infinity.
Quote: That's what the test server's for!
Do you use test server daily? Sisi is used by may be 1% of all the eve population. and that is a very optimistic guess. Yes, there's issues, not always bugs, that happen to be undiscovered in automated tests, or on SiSi, but there's objective explanations on why this happens. (Said that, there's still issues that not get enough attention from test server, and even on live... and I can name a transparent HUD as being the one.)
Quote: This chunk is missing three-quarters of its goddamn content!
You're obviously judging this issue from your high chair of ignorance.
Quote: No, it won't be, because we'll be missing three out of four captain's quarters!
How can you miss it, if it wasn't been there at all?
Quote: Well a good deal of the rather urgent suggestions about Captain's Quarters - most egregiously, the fact that almost everyone wants it to be purely optional - don't seem to be getting any CCP response at all.
It was addressed already, were you been on Singularity AT ALL? Get off your high chair already, and dom something of self-education.
Quote: decrease the system requirements
Unnecessary. The older hardware will phase away in a year, and current (even a year or two old) hardware is good enough to play current EVE with max details. If you're using a notebook with a software-emulated videocard... it's your problem.
Quote: restore the old hangar view
For what reason? Just to please you? I don't want CQ, but i'm pretty satisfied with splash screen instead of my ship. Less resources used in docking. Yau my comp happy.
Quote: and make CQ entirely optional
It is entirely optional.
So, in closing the obove 3 points - what is the problem with your brain? Lack of oxygen or dehydratation?
Quote: why the hell didn't you release all four racial CQs
They already said it. If you're unable to listen, see the previous question. Drink some water, it's good for your brain.
Quote: It's just that the people will be telling you these things more loudly and more angrily than us.
It's hard to be more ignorant and self-centered, than you.
Quote: Only to get a picture of the downsides of CCP's current release policies.
You've never worked for a software project that span more than a few days to complete. (I mean, something more complex than "Hello, world.") -- Thanks CCP for cu |
Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.13 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Tonto Auri They release it when they feel it ready. No point in pushing release into the infinity.
And no point releasing something before it's finished.
Originally by: Tonto Auri Do you use test server daily?
Yes.
Originally by: Tonto Auri You're obviously judging this issue from your high chair of ignorance.
There are four captain's quarters to release. They are releasing one. One is one quarter of four. Expansion feature missing three-quarters of its content. Any more kindergarten maths you'd like me to do for you?
Originally by: Tonto Auri How can you miss it, if it wasn't been there at all?
>mfw you do not seem to understand the multitude of ways in which the word "missing" can be used
Originally by: Tonto Auri It was addressed already, were you been on Singularity AT ALL?
On Singularity right now. Whenever you're docked, you are in CQ. Only way to turn this off is to turn off station environment altogether, which does not restore the normal hangar environment, or the functionality (double-clicking main screen to access active ship's cargo bay, dragging ship to main screen to activate, etc.) lost because of the change. This is not a solution.
Originally by: Tonto Auri Unnecessary. The older hardware will phase away in a year, and current (even a year or two old) hardware is good enough to play current EVE with max details.
This is so inaccurate I'm not even going to bother with it. Sufficed to say that graphical hardware is not my problem - it's my friends, and a lot of people on the test server have been complaining about the framerate and the five-to-ten second delay it takes to load CQ when you dock.
Originally by: Tonto Auri For what reason? Just to please you?
No, to please almost everyone on the test server who's been asking it.
Originally by: Tonto Auri It is entirely optional.
No, it isn't. Some functionality has been permanently removed.
Originally by: Tonto Auri So, in closing the obove 3 points - what is the problem with your brain? Lack of oxygen or dehydratation?
You're a ****ing idiot.
Originally by: Tonto Auri You've never worked for a software project that span more than a few days to complete. (I mean, something more complex than "Hello, world.")
Wrong.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're a troll, rather than just ignorant and stupid. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Mirabi Tiane
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Posted - 2011.06.13 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest Because one-too-many a capsuleer has surprised the cleaning crews with their "Titans" by being so. The Hospitality Unions of New Eden are powerful things and have currently convinced the corporations who sponsor pod pilots to demand fully maintained clothage in their contracts.
Originally by: CCP Manifest Don't you guys know the answer to all of these issues is simply...
NANITES.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.13 22:22:00 -
[218]
Originally by: Tonto Auri You've never worked for a software project that span more than a few days to complete. (I mean, something more complex than "Hello, world.")
I can do in-place string reversal in C. Does that count? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Zey Nadar
Gallente Unknown Soldiers Soldiers Of New Eve
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Posted - 2011.06.14 00:20:00 -
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Edited by: Zey Nadar on 14/06/2011 00:21:32 I admit I havent been paying much attention to whats on the test server, but I agree with the OT. I have no problems about releasing incarna first only with minmatar quarters, I have no problems with 'staged releases' and other stuff.
However I cannot wrap my mind around the capsule disembarking picture that the OT linked. Who invented that? It doesnt make any sense whatsoever to embark from the pod at the edge of a huge open chasm like that. Let alone being naked and all. That is just completely ridiculous.
The original pictures look much much better. If we are so V.I.Ps, we should at least get some privacy and security.. What if there was someone with a sniper rifle out there..
ps. I thank CCP for bringing us this update as Ive been waiting incarna so much, and especial thank you for the couch that I can finally sit on.. But do utilize some kind of common sense in the designing process..
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Toscaria
Amarr Creative Cookie Procuring Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.14 00:29:00 -
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Edited by: Toscaria on 14/06/2011 00:29:47
Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 13/06/2011 16:45:07 ATTN: CCP RE: How to make your players happy with your new expansion Dear CCP,
Please fix/add the pod room that we all want, and also please make the CQ optional after docking to the existing hanger view. These are universally-requested changes from players of all demographics.
Humble regards, A concerned customer
PS. We asked for walking in stations. We didn't ask for you to force it on us, cut corners, and break the existing lore in the process.
Quoted for truth.
Incremental release is fine... but come on at least give us something of quality that we WANT to use.
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Zey Nadar
Gallente Unknown Soldiers Soldiers Of New Eve
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Posted - 2011.06.14 00:34:00 -
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I just realized it would make much more sense to disembark from the pod while still inside the ship.. then simply walk the walkway from the ship to the station, or use a shuttle or other transport of some sort..
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries R-I-P
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Posted - 2011.06.14 01:37:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Zey Nadar I just realized it would make much more sense to disembark from the pod while still inside the ship.. then simply walk the walkway from the ship to the station, or use a shuttle or other transport of some sort..
Well, yes and no. As pod pilots we are immortal, that is as long as we remain INSIDE our pods. We simply would never take the risk of leaving our pods while we could be the slightest bit vunerable, not even to streach our legs with a stroll about the ship.
In fact, the only time we do leave our pods is when we are in a super-secure enviroment, which incidently is unlikely to be while hanging off the end of a balcony in full view of the entire docking bay.
CCP: Consistency since 2003 |
Adacia Calla
Minmatar Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita
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Posted - 2011.06.14 02:43:00 -
[223]
Jesus ****ing christ people, for the last 4 years we've been getting new toys to play with regularly (i.e 6 months or less), AND IT'S FREE.
Want to know how often you get something new in WoW? Try a year or two, and you ending up spending 40-60$ on it.
Stop complaining or give me your stuff and cancel your sub.
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries R-I-P
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Posted - 2011.06.14 02:57:00 -
[224]
Originally by: Adacia Calla Jesus ****ing christ people, for the last 4 years we've been getting new toys to play with regularly (i.e 6 months or less), AND IT'S FREE.
Want to know how often you get something new in WoW? Try a year or two, and you ending up spending 40-60$ on it.
Stop complaining or give me your stuff and cancel your sub.
No one is complaining, we are mearly putting forward some constructive points of view, and only because we love Eve so much.
CCP: Consistency since 2003 |
Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.14 06:42:00 -
[225]
Originally by: Adacia Calla Jesus ****ing christ people, for the last 4 years we've been getting new toys to play with regularly (i.e 6 months or less)
And most of those toys have been delivered in conditions that range from distinctly unfinished (see: planetary interaction) to downright broken (see: factional warfare). Some of the things we got four years ago are still awaiting patches. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Ciar Meara
Amarr Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.06.14 08:57:00 -
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Edited by: Ciar Meara on 14/06/2011 08:58:30
Originally by: Lady Spank CCP are a complete joke and don't give a damn about immersion.
Originally by: CCP Manifest Upon reading the subject of this thread, I find it necessary before reading the actual post or the replies to go ahead and say... no, you are not supposed to do that.
Local authorities in most countries do not look kindly upon it.
After seeing the "hilarious" Dev reply to a decent RP question phrased in way so that people would actually read the thread (and maybe get a dev interested).
I must sadly agree with Ms. Lady. Its getting to the point that CCP loses all respect from every corner for failing to do what is needed.
Easy way = succesfull way (I would have thought CCP would have learned that by now)
CCP Put some effort in what you are doing. It is getting REALLYsad ------------------------------------------------- A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.15 04:26:00 -
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Bump, back over LuLzsec and MT thread madness.
Incarna is still incoming and these issues need to be addressed. __________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2011.06.15 15:53:00 -
[228]
Bumping this because an explanation is still in order.
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Zey Nadar
Gallente Unknown Soldiers Soldiers Of New Eve
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Posted - 2011.06.15 19:05:00 -
[229]
I actually tested this on SiSi now, and its not as bad as I expected because there is no "emerge from goo" animation yet. :) I wish the pod would be moved to a room of its own though in future patches.
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Mittenzie
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Posted - 2011.06.18 19:55:00 -
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Edited by: Mittenzie on 18/06/2011 20:03:23 bump ccp you are ruining MY immersion.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
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Posted - 2011.06.18 21:31:00 -
[231]
Lets hope Hilmar dosent read this or he will be firing out snotty tweets like nobodys business
SKUNK (o)
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Josefine Etrange
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.18 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Wacktopia
Originally by: Mars Theran
Originally by: Jacob Holland The "pod room" would not only have been better for our dignity, the current pod placement is a health and safety nightmare...
Let me think, where's the best place to put a well lubricated naked person who's still trying to remember how to use their legs? Bingo! I'll put them on a metal gantry over a huge drop. What could possibly go wrong?
But srsly, CCP, move the pod up the steps, stick it to the side with abut more protection and a shower thing and a soft landing and it would be 100 times better.
Also a pony. And a boiled sweet.
Actually, I like the idea of a shower IN that pod. Get disconnected. Get a shower. Get dry, get your closes, get out. The pod is big enough for this, water and fresh air can be supported by the station, just like it is supporter from your ship most of the time. Though, you lose in this case the "cool" animation which shows what pod pilots are living like most of the time. I personally prefer the capsule be transported into your cq and leaving it in private. And yes, it is an issue enough to cancel my account for some time and play something else. Not enough to permanently leave eve, but I like to vote with my wallet and have not enough time anyway for every hobby ... ;-) A Gallente, a Minmatar, a Caldari and an Amarr were flying 8,000 feet above ground when its engines died. The pilot announced that one passenger had jump in order to save the rest. The Caldari stood u |
Josefine Etrange
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.18 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil Edited by: S''qarpium D''igil on 12/06/2011 14:38:15
Originally by: Azahni Vah'nos Based on the concept drawings from the Incarna site, it would appear that the Minmatar will be the only ones doing the nudie run from their pod. That is of course if these are still the planned appearances for each races CQ balcony. Only time will tell I guess. Also if you look at the first picture it could be the pod docked underneath where the guy is standing.
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/incarna/screenShots/Incarna_008.jpg http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/incarna/screenShots/Incarna_015.jpg http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/incarna/screenShots/Incarna_016.jpg
I hope you're right. I will laugh my Amarr head off (yes, this is an alt) if only the Minnies have the nudist ramp. Not completely out of line with lore, either.. Savages wouldn't care what they look like or who sees them.
Now you know why we use those tattoos when we attain to manhood. And those public pod ramps are there to make sure no children getting forced to become pod pilots.
Though I have to admit, it would be worth more than just a few laughs if you are right, AND it would be lore wise great. A Gallente, a Minmatar, a Caldari and an Amarr were flying 8,000 feet above ground when its engines died. The pilot announced that one passenger had jump in order to save the rest. The Caldari stood u |
Josefine Etrange
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.19 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest Don't you guys know the answer to all of these issues is simply...
NANITES.
Now this explains why clothes are so damn expensive. :D Why a forum in the year 2011 still has no automatic double post merge which can be done even with javascript mostly is beyond my understanding. |
Josefine Etrange
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.19 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: Awesome Possum Game play is based on game design, this game has always been a spaceship game.
Fail. This game was always a sci-fi MMO. Noone proclaimed that there'd be no walking in station or planetary landings. Or brothels with blackjack and hookers. You do have option to not load CQ at all. Gladly, my docking times halved with it, as it does not need to load station environment at all.
Dev chat in beta promised walking in station IF they EVER have the resources to do it. I still can remember that, maybe I even have a log somewhere from that irc chat ;-) Why a forum in the year 2011 still has no automatic double post merge which can be done even with javascript mostly is beyond my understanding. |
Ris Dnalor
Minmatar Fleet of Doom RaVeN Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.19 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest
To answer RaidÆEnÆs question. We will be releasing on the 21 with Minmatar quarters only and then adding the other ones as soon as possible thereafter. Yes this will be temporarily immersion breaking for those who wonder how Minmatar architecture exists in an Amarr station ù although I guess you could think about it like some of those old British mansions who had themed rooms from each of their colonies. "Headed to Selstead Manor? You simply MUST reserve the Calcutta room! They disassembled it and brought it piece by piece by train and steam all the way back to Yorkshire! It's not to be missed, Eugenia!"
so again, you make a deadline, can't meet it, and push crap out anyway.
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Captain Alcatraz
Invicta. Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2011.06.19 00:56:00 -
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Quote: Am I supposed to walk naked and smeared over with goo in public?
If female avatar, yes.
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Garuda Durantov
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Posted - 2011.06.19 01:33:00 -
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I can't wait to walk inside my CQs, and I'm happy that Eve is constantly being updated, instead of waiting a few years for one big update.
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Captain Mung
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Posted - 2011.06.19 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest Don't you guys know the answer to all of these issues is simply...
NANITES.
What a **** response. Are all CCP employees idiots? Or is it company policy to reply to your customers with smart ass replies when they have legitimate concerns?
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Asuri Kinnes
Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.19 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Mung
Originally by: CCP Manifest Don't you guys know the answer to all of these issues is simply...NANITES.
What a **** response. Are all CCP employees idiots? Or is it company policy to reply to your customers with smart ass replies when they have legitimate concerns?
First, go out and buy a sense of humor. It will be expensive, but I assure you, it will be worth it... Next, go out and find a clue... They are hard to find, but again, they are worth it.
I would then suggest you HTFU.
Have a bad day. Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.19 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Asuri Kinnes
Originally by: Captain Mung
Originally by: CCP Manifest Don't you guys know the answer to all of these issues is simply...NANITES.
What a **** response. Are all CCP employees idiots? Or is it company policy to reply to your customers with smart ass replies when they have legitimate concerns?
First, go out and buy a sense of humor. It will be expensive, but I assure you, it will be worth it... Next, go out and find a clue... They are hard to find, but again, they are worth it.
I would then suggest you HTFU.
Have a bad day.
According to CCP Hellmar, CCP likes it when we call them out on Bullsh*t. In this case it probably is CCP who has to hard the feck up and stick to it's own agenda, which there is:
EXCELLENCE, that means Expectation Management.
CCP doesn't do much in this regard at the moment for the CQ.
Have a nice day
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Asuri Kinnes
Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.19 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tres Farmer
Originally by: Asuri Kinnes First, go out and buy a sense of humor. It will be expensive, but I assure you, it will be worth it... Next, go out and find a clue... They are hard to find, but again, they are worth it. I would then suggest you HTFU. Have a bad day.
According to CCP Hellmar, CCP likes it when we call them out on Bullsh*t. In this case it probably is CCP who has to hard the feck up and stick to it's own agenda, which there is: EXCELLENCE, that means Expectation Management. CCP doesn't do much in this regard at the moment for the CQ. Have a nice day
Calling them out on BS is one thing, getting all butt-hurt because someone cracked a joke is lame as hell. Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.19 06:17:00 -
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CCP is pretty derp and getting worse all the time, but that's not news to anyone who's been playing for more than a week. They could have made all the money in the world with virtual sex (give fist fights a new meaning) and instead we get Scando **** fetishists in space with no whips and no rooms.
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Velator Nador
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.06.19 06:52:00 -
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Originally by: KamikazeBrAzIl
Originally by: CCP Manifest Don't you guys know the answer to all of these issues is simply...
NANITES.
Well, looks like our clothes are made from nanites and dissolves every time it gets in contact with the fluid inside the capsule
When docking, nanite particles regroup 'assembling' our outfits
I'm going to go on a limb and say the Fluid is the nanites! 8P
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.06.19 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: Asuri Kinnes Calling them out on BS is one thing, getting all butt-hurt because someone cracked a joke is lame as hell.
It's more the fact that they're cracking jokes to avoid giving legitimate answers. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Asuri Kinnes
Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.19 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Asuri Kinnes Calling them out on BS is one thing, getting all butt-hurt because someone cracked a joke is lame as hell.
It's more the fact that they're cracking jokes to avoid giving legitimate answers.
I don't think he's trying to avoid answering - hell, at one time, the Dev's, Mods and GM's all used to come to the forums and bash people, crack jokes and generally screw around.
We don't have that anymore, and it's not a good thing. Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
NO! |
Azahni Vah'nos
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.19 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Asuri Kinnes
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Asuri Kinnes Calling them out on BS is one thing, getting all butt-hurt because someone cracked a joke is lame as hell.
It's more the fact that they're cracking jokes to avoid giving legitimate answers.
I don't think he's trying to avoid answering - hell, at one time, the Dev's, Mods and GM's all used to come to the forums and bash people, crack jokes and generally screw around.
We don't have that anymore, and it's not a good thing.
Some people seem to forget that there is a human being behind the forum avatar, yes even the CCP ones! How many people here would be keen to post when there is a high likelihood of them being forum bashed/trolled no matter what they said. Hard to believe I know but people are more open when your having a laugh with them than when they're getting abused. Am I saying to coddle them, no, but if they get forum bashed often enough then the end result is pretty obvious.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.06.19 13:45:00 -
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Edited by: Tres Farmer on 19/06/2011 13:46:46
Originally by: Asuri Kinnes
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Originally by: Asuri Kinnes First, go out and buy a sense of humor. It will be expensive, but I assure you, it will be worth it... Next, go out and find a clue... They are hard to find, but again, they are worth it. I would then suggest you HTFU. Have a bad day.
According to CCP Hellmar, CCP likes it when we call them out on Bullsh*t. In this case it probably is CCP who has to hard the feck up and stick to it's own agenda, which there is: EXCELLENCE, that means Expectation Management. CCP doesn't do much in this regard at the moment for the CQ. Have a nice day
Calling them out on BS is one thing, getting all butt-hurt because someone cracked a joke is lame as hell.
Sry, should have included that the post by Captn Mung was under the belly. I did think that by the time I replied to you, but I didn't wrote it (yeah, I can't proof thoughts). So my reply to you was incomplete and not correct. Sorry.
In an afterthought I prob should have reported it.
Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody! |
Asuri Kinnes
Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.06.19 18:45:00 -
[249]
Originally by: Tres Farmer Sry, should have included that the post by Captn Mung was under the belly. I did think that by the time I replied to you, but I didn't wrote it (yeah, I can't proof thoughts). So my reply to you was incomplete and not correct. Sorry.
In an afterthought I prob should have reported it.
No problem. =) Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.19 23:19:00 -
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Thread cleaned of an inappropriate reply and quote.
Navigator Lead Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online
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S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2011.06.20 01:31:00 -
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Post-AT9 forum rage bump.
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Cheekyhoe
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Posted - 2011.06.20 04:18:00 -
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Edited by: Cheekyhoe on 20/06/2011 04:19:01 What I want to know is why cant I make my breasts bigger and bounce more, if your going to make me wear clothes then at least let us go over the top.
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Cosmoes
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.20 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: Cosmoes on 20/06/2011 12:20:34
Originally by: CCP Manifest
WHY NOT deliver on your promises? Which promises specifically? I can say that most things we haven't "delivered" on happen for very very sound logic that coincide with having a business making some of the most complex types of online interactions around. Usually it's a matter of time and technology to be honest, not the will to make them happen.
You remember that answer every question thread?
Quote: Please post your question in this thread between 05.09.11/14:00 UTC and 05.11.11/00:00 UTC. Our goal is to have them all answered by 05.13.11/16:00 UTC
lets have a look at the result
Goal: all answers in 2 days Previous attempt: 2007 they where all done in a week Reality: 5 weeks later and you've only answered half
This is pretty much what I expect on how CCP delivers content for their game too. Just like most things that thread failed to deliver and it got pushed to the back of the que where it may get some attention and finishing eventually.
If you really want to try improving your communication as well as "use that opportunity to gather feedback to possibly be able to make the other ones even better.".
When you have a 10 page thread saying "Hey CCP, I don't like getting changed in public on a girder hanging out in the middle of my hanger" you might want to take on that comment. There are a number of things in incursion which are complete immersion breakers that to me completely counteracting any improved immersion, and a lot of them are well known common complaints some with easy fixes.
OH and for the love of god stop saying "this content will be itterated on at a later date". You can't iterate on 10 years worth of content constantly with the manpower you have. Make the content to last as we all know you aren't gonna get around to fixing it any time soon. ------------------- piccy |
S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2011.06.20 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmoes
When you have a 10 page thread saying "Hey CCP, I don't like getting changed in public on a girder hanging out in the middle of my hanger" you might want to take on that comment.
You're asking too much! CCP has a vision for EVE. Unfortunately, it doesn't include us.
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Mirabi Tiane
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Posted - 2011.06.21 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: S'qarpium D'igil
Originally by: Cosmoes
When you have a 10 page thread saying "Hey CCP, I don't like getting changed in public on a girder hanging out in the middle of my hanger" you might want to take on that comment.
You're asking too much! CCP has a vision for EVE. Unfortunately, it doesn't include us.
Doesn't include EVE either, apparently... |
S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2011.06.21 16:33:00 -
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Hey CCP: Yes, we're still whining about this shít. So why don't you HTFU and talk to us?
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S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:03:00 -
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God I love to bump
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oowa
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Posted - 2011.06.22 00:07:00 -
[258]
Next time a patch comes out, we will get a 20gb patch, and when we log in... There comes up the WoW logo.
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Mirabi Tiane
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:20:00 -
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Bump. |
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