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Mr R4nd0m
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Posted - 2011.06.11 23:56:00 -
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Having a ship that perma jams you constantly and you cant do feck all is stupid! Yes i have died to a falcon before you say it. I dont mind but not having ANY CHANCE at all to fight back is just ridiculous. No point using drones when they can also be disco falcons!
Sick of ships where you can do feck all to defend yourself..its been proven falcons pretty much permajam, there is no chance base..its wrong!
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.12 01:09:00 -
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Can't disagree with you on that one. I think they should be effective, but there should also be a defense vs. it; and I don't mean a Super Cap or Titan.
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I'm not Trollin
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Posted - 2011.06.12 04:53:00 -
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Perhaps buff ECCM, but the falcon is pretty balanced right now. An annoyance, but one easily removed of. ECM drones are worse tbh.
That said you really haven't proposed anything.
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Jakub Trokowski
Caldari Unseen Nomads
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Posted - 2011.06.12 12:31:00 -
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Image from: http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
But more serious: falcons are fine.
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Mr R4nd0m
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Posted - 2011.06.12 13:13:00 -
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Guys falcons are NOT fine as they are and not balanced. How can you say that? You cant expect everytime to fit an ECCM just incase you bump into a falcon. You would be fitting for every possible **** that MIGHT attack you. Notreally viable is it.
It annoys me when ppl say fit a mod to counter it. Well as said you would fit a mod for a poss neut ship, or a TDing Ship or whatever its jus tnot possible.
The fact is falcons permajam with NO CHANCE at all to do anything. You are instaf*cked. There was a post showing that this was true and the stats. Even if you fit 1 ECCM it does nothing, you have to at least fit 2 WTF. and again you cant expect to fit an eccm just on the off chance.
The fact remains falcons are still way way overpowered. The can disco, they can permajam multiple targets. Stupid! its simply not right.
I dont have a solution im stating the issue. Boost ECCM ofc, and boost ship attribs that you must have at least 2 T2 jammers to have something like 80% jamming chance, 1 gives you say 50%.
Im sorry guys but go on sisi and test the falcon, and tell me if you can get out of a disco falcon. Then tell me its fine.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2011.06.12 14:11:00 -
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Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 12/06/2011 14:15:09
Quote: The fact remains falcons are still way way overpowered. The can disco, they can permajam multiple targets.
Hint: exaggerating this badly just makes you look like a moron. No Falcon is going to permajam multiple targets on anything like a regular basis unless you're all flying t1 frigates. (Oh, and you're flying just the right racial combination for the jammers they have fitted.) _________________________________
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Naomi Knight
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.12 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
(Oh, and you're flying just the right racial combination for the jammers they have fitted.)
He probably flew a matar ship like 90% of eve and still whines here about other ships being op.
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2011.06.12 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Naomi Knight
Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
(Oh, and you're flying just the right racial combination for the jammers they have fitted.)
He probably flew a matar ship like 90% of eve and still whines here about other ships being op.
Yeah gotta say, it's a lot easier fitting the right racials where everyone flies Hurricanes and angel ships >_> _________________________________
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.12 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mr R4nd0m Having a ship that perma jams
When the first 6 words of your proposal are a demonstrable untruth, the rest is inevitably irrelevant.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.06.12 17:38:00 -
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Problem is not with the hulls but the mechanic. ECM needs to be rethought from scratch.
Chance based stun-lock with limited counters available is just fubar.
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Mr R4nd0m
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Posted - 2011.06.12 18:07:00 -
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Stupid idiots are stupid
Let's get on sisi guys right now and prove who is right
Otherwise stop trolling about something you know nothing abou
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Mr R4nd0m
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Posted - 2011.06.12 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Mr R4nd0m Having a ship that perma jams
When the first 6 words of your proposal are a demonstrable untruth, the rest is inevitably irrelevant.
You really are a loser just like your fail alliance
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Naomi Knight
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.12 18:14:00 -
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We just got another usual high IQ adult pro gamer who knows everything about pvp in eve, and with his all-knowing wisdom show us that the ship even he has trouble to counter is broken , and needs to be nerfed so he can continue his superior pvp we can just dream of.
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Mr R4nd0m
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Posted - 2011.06.12 20:04:00 -
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Well i say it a again ANYONE willing to come on sisi and disprove me i am happy to show you...hmmm guess not then..
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Swynet
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Posted - 2011.06.12 21:05:00 -
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OC I always fit ECCM on my ship when I undock, have self logistics at lvl10 can self rep with my 20 drones and have 2 DD on my cane with 15sec CD, I've trained hard for those but now I have answer to all situations and to every one
@Op yes the Falcon is cheated yes lachesis and his little brother also at less extent, you don't see that much other wf ships around because those are the only that aloud you immediate superiority and instant gratification, now answer me: what is the game about?
I'll give you the answer: A: any method giving you the superiority over your opponent IS NOT overpowered it's a good game mechanic, you're just some noob that didn't understood the good lesson. Train for it and use it, let noobs use other stuff, because noobs always use the bad option but shssss, don't tell them, keep it 4U.
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Jakub Trokowski
Caldari Unseen Nomads
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Posted - 2011.06.12 22:13:00 -
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Keep posting, R4nd0m, keep posting! :D
And what do you want to show me on sisi? That you can fit smartbobms on falcon? That it is a ECM ship? (And why not on TQ?)
And what is your experience on using e-war? Being once jammed and killed by falcon is not so much...
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Lykouleon
Bad Kitty Inc. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.06.13 06:39:00 -
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Please indicate on the doll where the falcon violenced your boat.
And next time fit some eccm Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO THAT I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD |
Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.06.13 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mr R4nd0m
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Mr R4nd0m Having a ship that perma jams
When the first 6 words of your proposal are a demonstrable untruth, the rest is inevitably irrelevant.
You really are a loser just like your fail alliance
Agreed!
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Mongo Edwards
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Posted - 2011.06.13 19:56:00 -
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@OP: I hear a session change breaks all jams always. Since most engagements (for me anyways) happen on gate/station try jumping/docking.
I have never encountered a disco falcon - ever. They are also paper thin and have little in the way of DPS. They trade a strong mechanic for gimping ehp and teeth. Fly with friends once in a while you won't have to worry about the solo falcon.
Helpful advice: Always expect ECM in one form or another so if you don't fit some sort of ECCM (either mid or low slot version available) or your own ECM (drones more often than not) and flying solo you are asking for someone to stomp you.
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar Heretic Army B A N E
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Posted - 2011.06.13 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Mr R4nd0m Stupid idiots are stupid
Exactly, I agree here.
Originally by: Mr R4nd0m
Let's get on sisi guys right now and prove who is right
Lets put our money where our mouth is and do it on TQ. I'll 1v1 your falcon, you sure arent gonna backpedal on me, right?
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Shaemell Buttleson
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.13 23:19:00 -
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Mr R4nd0m talks out of his 4r53
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Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
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Posted - 2011.06.14 06:09:00 -
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Because of FALCON. Sure are a lot of Falcon alts in this thread. My main is 10 days from a level IV Recon Ships Falcon. Not going to be training it, though. I'd feel dirty.
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ArmyOfMe
V0LTA VOLTA Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.14 06:15:00 -
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after the range nerf i cant really say i see a lot of falcons around tbh. At least not compared to how many of them there used to be
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Naomi Knight
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.14 11:07:00 -
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there are more rapiers bought/used than falcons , it is strange that the speed race field as many or even more high tech recons than the ew race solution: nerf the imba op perma webbing matar recons,
it is just ridiculous how i dont have ANY CHANCE at all to fight back, no point using drones as they can also be disco ...
Sick of ships where you can do feck all to defend yourself..its been proven rapiers pretty much permaweb, there is no chance base..its wrong!
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.20 18:09:00 -
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Why can't my Arazu scram as nearly as far (you would think 10% less range like web2 vs scram2) as a Rapier webs?
Falcon: ECM = instant jam on frigs. Arazu: 20% range/level for scrams (baseline scram = 9 km) - 18 km L5 Curse: 40% range/level for neuts (baseline neut = (12.6 km for medium neuts) 38km L5 Rapier: 60% range/level for webs (baseline web = 10 km) - 40km L5
Proposal: Increase Arazu warp scram bonus to be on same order as Rapier web bonus or at least as far as Curse nuets.
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sushistrip
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Posted - 2011.06.20 19:19:00 -
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ECM needs to be removed from the game or an effective counter measure needs to be created. You can say ECCM's are a counter measure but they are not, a falcon WILL still perma jam you, even with 70+ sensor strength. The fact is every other ewar mod in the game does not TOTALLY shut you down, for instance; Sensor damps screw up your targeting range and resolution, however you can still target up close and it just may take a bit longer to lock something. Tracking disruptors suck but if you know how to fly your ship right, you can counter their effect fairly easily, and drones are still usable. ECM on the other hand is not the same; drones will only attack if they are out before you get jammed and nothing else has aggressed you, almost everything on a ship offensive wise needs a target lock to be effective, and some defensive mods like nos need a target lock as well. ECM totally shuts out your ship's ability to function and it is essentially a death certificate when a falcon lands on the field. ECCM either needs to be boosted to the point where a falon's jam chance is less than 10% on RACIALS when you have an ECCM fitted, or it needs to be completely removed from the game.
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Mag Theron
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.20 21:04:00 -
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There are already effective counter-measures to falcons - ECCM, remote sensor damps, neuts, or simply bringing your own ECM
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ITTigerClawIK
Amarr Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2011.06.20 21:51:00 -
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Falcons are fine, the second the lose lock on a single target, they are dead, end of, they are ******edly papper thin, an alpha from a frig could take those things out.
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Hemmo Paskiainen
Gallente Silver Snake Enterprise
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Posted - 2011.06.20 21:54:00 -
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No they are not, only in AT;s where eveyone brings equal fleets
Ever flown a falcon? U declaok and u are insat primairy. Not ideal ships to bring u end up warping off more or dieing more than jamming. AT is not representice for fleet fights, stop crying start trying and than u see what i mean. Fix Black Ops: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1204416 |
Soldarius
Caldari Northstar Cabal Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.06.21 06:02:00 -
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Originally by: sushistrip even with 70+ sensor strength.
That is impossible. The best jam strength you can get is somewhere in the mid-teens, which is enough to permajam a cruiser or perhaps a BC. ECCM doubles your sensor strength, making it far less likely to work. The check for jam is jam strength divided by sensor strength. So for every active jammer, you would check at 14 (racials on a dedicated and rigged ECM boat) / 70 (using your number) so exactly a 20% chance to jam for every 20 second cycle.
Hardly permajammed. You probably fly a Hurricane with no ECCM (base sensor strength of 16) and tried to solo said Falcon, which was likely sporting at least one Minmatar racial jammer. In that case (14/16), you could very well get permajammed.
Originally by: Krutoj You dont have a supercapital? buy PLEX trade it for ISK, buy supers. Just like any other mmo you can use your RL to pimp your character out (or tank for that matter).
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