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Eisell
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Posted - 2011.06.14 02:18:00 -
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I currently run level 4s in a nightmare. I've recently opened a second account, and am planning on dual-logging missions for the time being, until I get my alt up to speed. I was interested in seeing other peoples' opinions on the best companions for a nightmare, or other ship combinations that can run level 4s very efficiently.
My main can currently fly Amarr, Caldari and Gallente up to BSes and Amarr and Caldari T2 frigs, cruisers and T3s, though his missile skills are fairly mediocre right now. My alt is currently on a gallente skillplan beelining to the dominix. That's by no means set in stone, however.
The RR domi seems like an obvious choice, since it can set up a cap transfer chain with the nightmare, shield rep it, and assist with bonused sentry drones, all with minimal attention required, allowing the nightmare to tank anything thrown at it while gank fit and throwing some 400 extra dps thanks to the assisting sentries. A navy domi would be even better at this.
I also have a rattlesnake sitting around I could use, I take it for a spin every now and then when I'm feeling lazy or in the mood for drones, but it's not being properly utilized at the moment.
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ShadowFire15
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Posted - 2011.06.14 03:32:00 -
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sounds like a good plan with the repping domi. Chuck Norris has the largest fleet of supercaps in the EVE universe. **** him off and he will use them to literally erase you from existence. And people wonder why they can't remember little tommy. |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.14 04:21:00 -
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If your attention allows, your end game should be two characters in two separate missions. I'd say a second Nightmare.
Lvl 4s really don't need support/remote repairs, so as your character gets skillpoints, use it as fire support in the missions you are already doing. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Shereza
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Posted - 2011.06.14 05:36:00 -
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If you use them in the same mission then use the rattle snake. 5 T2 heavy shield repair drones, 5 sentries, 5 heavies, and 5 medium drones, 4 cruise launchers, two drone link augments, passive tank from hell with 2-3 Federation Navy Omni links in the mids. Then you don't have to worry about remote repping your nightmare and you can kit it out for nearly pure gank with just enough tank to warp out in case waves/groups aggro on it when you forget something.
Warp in, get all aggro, pop any trigger ships if needed while you're looting/salvaging the last mission, warp in the Nightmare to slaughter everything. I used to do it with a drake and abaddon. It's quite safe, but alas the penalty for safe is how slow the rattlesnake is in killing trigger ships.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2011.06.14 07:15:00 -
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Any drone boat will do, but id use another nightmare. Or mach. And dont bother with rr.
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Wannabehero
Wayward Ventures
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Posted - 2011.06.16 20:15:00 -
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People will tell you to use 2 separated accounts to do 2 missions at once. As someone who has done that, I personally found I completed missions faster using both characters together one mission at a time.
The Dominix makes an AMAZING 2nd account support ship. Dropping a flight of sentries and setting them to assist the main means almost zero screen switching. Set up a LETA chain between the two ships and laugh at how easy it is to complete even the longest missions in 10 minutes or less.
It lets you accomplish things like 2 - 3 salvoing all but the hardiest BS's, and MWDing with impunity thanks to essentially unlimited cap.
I first did this with a Golem/Domi pair for the ability to perma MWD around to massively negate torp range limitations. Later I moved on to a Nightmare/Domi pair and it became almost to easy. ---
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Eisell
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Posted - 2011.06.16 20:59:00 -
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How do you handle your tank, Wannabe? Do you local tank each ship, overtank one, or use remote reps? Your setup sounds very similar to what I'm doing/planning now.
Shereza's setup sounds very attractive as well, apart from those missions with a lot of triggers and fleet/drone aggro. I'll definitely at least keep in mind that I tend to overthink my setups and may not need to use the nightmare's utility highs at all.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2011.06.16 21:23:00 -
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Mwding around? Transfer chains? Wake up ffs.
2 gank battleships make rats die so fast, they cant do any serious damage, you dont need ANY rr, you could most likely do 99% of missions on buffer.
Best would be nightmares or machs /or marauders, but its unlikely you can salvage as fast as you kill/. Rest is behind them. Mwding golem is really stupid idea, generally any missile ship is bad idea because you have to use painters and count volleys.
Assisting drone boat is okish lazy solution, so why make it complicated with unnecesary remote reps and transfer stuff?
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Arazel Chainfire
The Awakened Armada Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2011.06.16 21:52:00 -
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When I ran 2 missions dual boxing on one screen, I started out with 1 afk domi to tank, and 1 tach NM to blow everything up. This later switched to 2 tach nightmares, and then when I got a second monitor, a mach and a nightmare. The big thing here was the time needed to alt-tab between accts on just 1 monitor, which made things with shorter cycle time than tach's a but useless. Also, 2 nightmares with remote cap transfer in the highs means you can skimp on cap mods to run the guns and a local tank.
-Arazel
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Eisell
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Posted - 2011.06.16 22:05:00 -
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Why did you pick a mach and a nightmare over 2 nightmares?
I am running 2 monitors, so alt-tabbing isn't an issue. The multi-tasking can still get a bit crazy, though.
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Shereza
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Posted - 2011.06.16 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Eisell Why did you pick a mach and a nightmare over 2 nightmares?
I am running 2 monitors, so alt-tabbing isn't an issue. The multi-tasking can still get a bit crazy, though.
I can't speak for Arazel but for me it's a case of how both ships are suited to different sets of enemies allowing for overlapping coverage to better enhance performance. Basically what it boils down to is I would slap either an MWD or an AB on my marchariel, park it with my nightmare early on, and while my nightmare is volleying battleships and battlecruisers from long-range my machariel was single-shotting frigates and destroyers as they closed to the 40-50km range. Once all the small ships were dead I'd move my machariel to the largest concentrations of remaining large ships and gut them along with my nightmare. It was quite effective overall.
As for multi-tasking, you don't know what multi-tasking is if you're only talking about two clients. At one point I was running three missions at once on three separate clients with a fourth client flying between them trying to salvage stuff and all of them on their own monitor. I say trying because at that point I was often so busy with running the missions I couldn't keep proper track of the salvaging. I didn't even have travel time to use as a relief break on the salvager given she was flying a noctis.
I've managed to have almost as bad a multi-tasking issue before, but to do it I had to go mining with 2 battleships and a hulk jet-can style with only two monitors and a machine so old that I had 10 FPS on the primary monitor and 8 FPS on the secondary monitor at best. I ended up mining out whole patches of asteroid belts before I could break away from it long enough to bring in an industrial.
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Chutney Hustler
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Posted - 2011.06.17 08:45:00 -
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You're Nightmare's tank should already be sufficient on its own. I dualbox missions with 1x Nightmare 1x Machariel and it works a treat. The best thing about dualboxing though is that you can accept missions on each char and speed up your completion rate loads.
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Moroccan Tourist
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Posted - 2011.06.17 10:23:00 -
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i run a nightmare and dominix , afk domi doing his thing somewhere , and the nightmare in running his missions too , i bring them together when i need to finish a blockade under 15 mins or the last pocket of the angel extra
and remember you are farming stuff , dont waste much money on navy domnix/RS , the dominix should be an afk boat , throw the sentries and put them on assist , i duno if the EOF missle ca be a good idea on the RS its an other 100 dps i might try it who knows , but an afk ship can blow up easly so is it really worth it ?
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.17 15:54:00 -
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Noctis is going to generate the most revenue for sure if you have any kind of skills on the nightmare.
I run a mach in angel space and no 2nd DPS ship can net me more profit than the noctis, however when I run say a CNR it can use help.
What are your mission completion times loking like now? DPS and tank?
And out of what you mention the RS as a drone boat would be nice as it can tank any mission fully and you can just set the sentries to assist the NM.
. Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Evil Stare
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Posted - 2011.06.17 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Wannabehero People will tell you to use 2 separated accounts to do 2 missions at once. As someone who has done that, I personally found I completed missions faster using both characters together one mission at a time....
Because you're doing it wrong. I use 3 accounts to do 3 missions at once. Tengu's, Paladin or Mach with any combination. I used to use 2 or more accounts to complete one mission and I can assure you, in the right ships, you can make more isk doing separate missions.
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Wannabehero
Wayward Ventures
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Posted - 2011.06.17 22:09:00 -
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Edited by: Wannabehero on 17/06/2011 22:12:26
Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 2 gank battleships make rats die so fast, they cant do any serious damage, you dont need ANY rr, you could most likely do 99% of missions on buffer.
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Assisting drone boat is okish lazy solution, so why make it complicated with unnecesary remote reps and transfer stuff?
The difference between a sentry Domi and another Gank battleship, while large, is less significant when you have another gank BS to go with it. 1500 DPS or 2000 DPS, the NPCs still die almost as quickly as they get into range and you can target them.
I won't dispute that 2 gank BS's clear NPC's faster, but I can state that in my own experience it isn't necessary unless you are trying to reach some absurd completion time goals and have the multi-tasking skills of a coked-up cyborg multi-limbed deific being. Yes, a Domi with drones set to assist and a transfer chain setup is "lazy", and the ships don't die quite as fast as when you have two full gank ships, but I personally don't have the patience or desire to switch-and-twitch between screens, constantly targeting and F1'ing with each account. Sticking to the one screen helps avoid all that headache and still blow through the missions at ridiculous speeds. While this is my personal preference, I am inferring that a similar experience would be shared by many other players.
I didn't say anything about remote reps, all the tanking you need can be accomplished by a minimal amount of local rep. The LETA's purely allow you the flexibility to do awesome things, like perma-run an MWD with guns and tank. For some missions this is absolutely unnecessary, other missions it is just plain awesome.
For extra-bonus points, you can have your Domi run tracking links and/or remote sensor boosters to flavour on your gank platform, for even more awesome.
Originally by: Evil Stare I use 3 accounts to do 3 missions at once. Tengu's, Paladin or Mach with any combination. I used to use 2 or more accounts to complete one mission and I can assure you, in the right ships, you can make more isk doing separate missions.
I believe you, but I absolutely couldn't stand the constant monitoring of two (or more? **** man) different ships in two different missions. I found myself loosing time as I wouldn't be switching/attacking targets or approaching/jumping through gates at a good pace because I was handling something on the other screen/window.
If someone has the patience/ability to do this and enjoy it (or at least stand it until they've made the isk they need) then more power to them.
Edit: removed direct religious reference in hopes to not offend ---
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2011.06.17 22:41:00 -
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Dualboxing 2 ships in single mission is not hard at all, choosing between 2 gank bses and 1 gank bs + drone support is matter of personal preference of course. But its fact, that 2 gank pirate battleships will be significantly faster.
Still, if you are aiming for top isk/h from l4s, running 2 gank battleships in 2 different missions is best idea.
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Echo Mande
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Posted - 2011.06.18 00:09:00 -
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My personal preference would be a domi, because that's what accompanies my paladin on missions. As others have said, a noctis alt is great for trying to maximize income by grabbing the bigger wrecks.
But how about a command ship, in this case the vulture? It can (try) to take on the small stuff while giving both ships a much better tank. The training sched's a bit lengthy though but you can have the alt bring a drake into missions while you're training him up.
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Hazel Starr
Krypteia Brotherhood
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Posted - 2011.06.18 02:13:00 -
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I ran for a long time (18 months) doing missions in low-sec with a Golem and Nighthawk. The one to kill BS/Cru the other to kill Frig/Cru...was very pleased with the combination.
Nowadays I use a pair of unprobable Tengus to stop the stress with probers...less efficient but more effective,
-- Haze
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Straight Edged
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Posted - 2011.06.18 02:51:00 -
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same hazel i also use double tengu setup. Think can easily hit a combined 300-500m isk/hour
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Crabs Collector
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Posted - 2011.06.18 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Straight Edged same hazel i also use double tengu setup. Think can easily hit a combined 300-500m isk/hour
Easily 500m isk/hour. Didnt you mean 500 billion isk/hour easily?
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2011.06.18 09:32:00 -
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You know, its 5000 isk/lp, heh.
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