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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2012.09.11 19:17:00 -
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This fit is horrible, it clearly needs Dual Large Ancillary Shield Boosters like my Oneiros does.
Marcel Devereux wrote:The Exequror makes a better combat shield tanker than it does a armor logi:
[Exequror, Armor Tanking Is A Joke!]
Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Overdrive Injector System II Tracking Enhancer II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Shield Maintenance Bot II x5
All V the PG/CPU would be 762.5/343.75. This fit only takes up 577.8/337.5. I'm sure you can tweak this more to have better tank and damage output (currently 209) as I did this by hand.
The reps on the drones is 360 raw hitpoints every 5 seconds, just under one T2 armor rep on the Augoror or Exequror. Still a better tackler than a armor logi. Also this thing is faster than the current Rupture (1,644.49 vs 1,591.35). Hmm. Maybe this will fit into the Alpha Rupture fleets. Reps+DPS. Let's poor another one out for our Armor hommies.
EDIT: The speed was without taking the Overdrive into account. Just All V and with a microwarp. Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Lili Lu
416
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Posted - 2012.09.11 19:40:00 -
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Some people have mentioned swapping out the rep drone bonuses on the Scythe and Exequror for range and/or strength bonuses to remote eccm and remote sensor boosters. This would be something new to the game, and would be a power the tech II logis presently lack. Now one could later buff the tech II logis to retain this bonus.
However, the problem comes that then these ships would quite possibly not get use as logis but instead as gate camper support ships. Also, it would mean bonusing mods that go in mids, which has always been a problem with the present tracking link bonuses on tech II logis. Mids that are effectively in short supply on either ship for differing reasons. Also that is a bonus which is largely ignored except for incursion runners. And well if we are going to determine ship bonuses based on incursion runners wishes then let's just call the game Incursions Online.
Therefore, I think the rep drone bonus is actually about the best that can be done. Of course rep drones could use a buff to speed and durability. That might give the bonus some meaningful use. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
548
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Posted - 2012.09.11 19:48:00 -
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Instead of two internal eccm on the ex you get two projected eccm... Works fine for me... The minnie might need an extra mid but thats ok for me... Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
548
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Posted - 2012.09.11 20:12:00 -
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Scythe: Cruiser skill bonuses: 15% bonus to Shield Transporter boost amount 5% reduction in Shield Transporter cap use Role Bonus: 1000% bonus to the range of Shield Transporters 250% bonus to range of projected ECCM 50% bonus to range of remote sensor booster Slot layout: 3 H (-2), 6 M (+3), 4 L (+1), 2 turrets (-1), 1 launcher (-1) Fittings: 330 PWG (-95), 415 CPU (+190) Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1400(+424) / 1100(+124) / 1300(+324) Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 1250(+468.75) / 240s(-38.75s) / 5.2 (+2.4) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 250(+47) / 0.6(+0.095) / 11110000 / 6.2s (+0.9) Drones (bandwidth / bay): 45 (+40) / 45 (+40) Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 52.5km(+15) / 400(+55) / 8(+2) Sensor strength: 13 Ladar (+2) Signature radius: 75 (-25) Cargo capacity: 475 (+35)
Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
I'm Down
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.09.11 20:16:00 -
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Exequror in particular looks silly OP and would beg the question, why ever use a t2 armor logistic again. Keep in mind these things get an extra rig slot to make up for resist gap. |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
149
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Posted - 2012.09.11 20:25:00 -
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*sigh* Another reason to remove armor tanking from the game. It has no place compared to shield tanking. Actually can we just remove armor and have shield + hull?
Bloodpetal wrote:This fit is horrible, it clearly needs Dual Large Ancillary Shield Boosters like my Oneiros does. Marcel Devereux wrote:The Exequror makes a better combat shield tanker than it does a armor logi:
[Exequror, Armor Tanking Is A Joke!]
Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Overdrive Injector System II Tracking Enhancer II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Shield Maintenance Bot II x5
All V the PG/CPU would be 762.5/343.75. This fit only takes up 577.8/337.5. I'm sure you can tweak this more to have better tank and damage output (currently 209) as I did this by hand.
The reps on the drones is 360 raw hitpoints every 5 seconds, just under one T2 armor rep on the Augoror or Exequror. Still a better tackler than a armor logi. Also this thing is faster than the current Rupture (1,644.49 vs 1,591.35). Hmm. Maybe this will fit into the Alpha Rupture fleets. Reps+DPS. Let's poor another one out for our Armor hommies.
EDIT: The speed was without taking the Overdrive into account. Just All V and with a microwarp.
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Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
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Posted - 2012.09.11 20:27:00 -
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I'm Down wrote:Exequror in particular looks silly OP and would beg the question, why ever use a t2 armor logistic again. Keep in mind these things get an extra rig slot to make up for resist gap. Because this is only the First round of balances, they did state they are going to do alll T1 ships first starting with frigates, destroyers cruisers battlecrusiers battle ships (capitals i think) then T2 ships |
Ana Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.11 20:32:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:I'm Down wrote:Exequror in particular looks silly OP and would beg the question, why ever use a t2 armor logistic again. Keep in mind these things get an extra rig slot to make up for resist gap. Because this is only the First round of balances, they did state they are going to do alll T1 ships first starting with frigates, destroyers cruisers battlecrusiers battle ships (capitals i think) then T2 ships So we will get even mote OP T2 ships?And than eve stronger capital ships? |
I'm Down
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.09.11 20:32:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:I'm Down wrote:Exequror in particular looks silly OP and would beg the question, why ever use a t2 armor logistic again. Keep in mind these things get an extra rig slot to make up for resist gap. Because this is only the First round of balances, they did state they are going to do alll T1 ships first starting with frigates, destroyers cruisers battlecrusiers battle ships (capitals i think) then T2 ships
As if Tech 2 logistics aren't silly powerful? |
Ana Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.09.11 20:34:00 -
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I'm Down wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:I'm Down wrote:Exequror in particular looks silly OP and would beg the question, why ever use a t2 armor logistic again. Keep in mind these things get an extra rig slot to make up for resist gap. Because this is only the First round of balances, they did state they are going to do alll T1 ships first starting with frigates, destroyers cruisers battlecrusiers battle ships (capitals i think) then T2 ships As if Tech 2 logistics aren't silly powerful?
That is point ,if you make T1 ones silly ,that you need to make T2 one viable so they need to buff them.That is not balancing that is kinda lame.
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
548
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Posted - 2012.09.11 20:36:00 -
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I'm Down wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:I'm Down wrote:Exequror in particular looks silly OP and would beg the question, why ever use a t2 armor logistic again. Keep in mind these things get an extra rig slot to make up for resist gap. Because this is only the First round of balances, they did state they are going to do alll T1 ships first starting with frigates, destroyers cruisers battlecrusiers battle ships (capitals i think) then T2 ships As if Tech 2 logistics aren't silly powerful?
i hope they nerf tech II logi so it cant use large armor reps and replace the tracking link bonus for a ECCM Projector bonus...
sure this would reduce tech II logi effectiveness but ffs they are op as hell... a logi ship should slow down killing not stop it together...
then i would make a 4th bs that is a logi ship that can use large reps and a tech II version aswell...
i think if you are going to get fleet crushing RR you should be in a fleet ship! Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Terry Gardner
Inter Stellare Kaufmannsgilde
0
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Posted - 2012.09.11 20:37:00 -
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Poor Exequror,
i like his cargo bonus quite a lot, use him as fast transport / light Industrial also as salvage boat and for my pi. In future, this will be history
*tears* |
I'm Down
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.09.11 20:46:00 -
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Exequror in particular is going to be so close to t2 in strength that why would you ever ask people to fly a more expensive option again.
Loki/Legion Bonus 52 sig, 81.8% lowest resistance, ~ 40000 EHP, ~ 810 m/s speed
[Exequror, New Setup 1] Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Damage Control II
10MN Afterburner II Medium Capacitor Battery II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Medium Remote Armor Repair System II Medium Remote Armor Repair System II Medium Remote Armor Repair System II
Medium Anti-EM Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I
Only question mark is CPU, which I think might be overcome with a centi c-type adaptive and a 3% implant. |
Ana Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.11 20:50:00 -
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I'm Down wrote:Exequror in particular is going to be so close to t2 in strength that why would you ever ask people to fly a more expensive option again.
Funny you will not need logistic skill for that .So you will be able to make cheep logi T1 alt and be so good "solo" pvp player.
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Michael Harari
The Hatchery Team Liquid
285
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Posted - 2012.09.11 21:18:00 -
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Go go power creep and making solo harder
Edit: EVE needs less "press button receive damage mitigation" and more "pilot your ship very well and receive damage mitigation" |
Nalha Saldana
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
302
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Posted - 2012.09.11 21:23:00 -
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Why are some of them faster then their T2 variation? |
Michael Harari
The Hatchery Team Liquid
285
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Posted - 2012.09.11 21:25:00 -
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Nalha Saldana wrote:Why are some of them faster then their T2 variation?
Power creep, and to make soloing harder. |
Michael Harari
The Hatchery Team Liquid
285
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Posted - 2012.09.11 21:33:00 -
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Goddamn, these changes just keep getting worse and worse.
Whats next, giving blackbirds an extra mid and shield resist bonus? web strength on rapiers? |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
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Posted - 2012.09.11 21:42:00 -
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I'm Down wrote:Exequror in particular is going to be so close to t2 in strength that why would you ever ask people to fly a more expensive option again.
Exequror reps 252 HP/s from RR and 70 HP/s from drones Oneiros reps 384 HP/s from RR and 70 HP/s from drones
That's 132 HP/s difference.
So I still say the oneiros is better |
I'm Down
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.09.11 22:28:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:I'm Down wrote:Exequror in particular is going to be so close to t2 in strength that why would you ever ask people to fly a more expensive option again.
Exequror reps 252 HP/s from RR and 70 HP/s from drones Oneiros reps 384 HP/s from RR and 70 HP/s from drones That's 132 HP/s difference. So I still say the oneiros is better
with Legion, it's 315 per second with an Exequor with t2 Medium Mods.
with Legion, its 394 per sec with 3 large T2 (much more unlikely than solace) for an Oneiros.
With Solace, it drops down to 355. Not nearly as large of a gap for the massive cost difference. Not to mention the encouragement to horde t1 variants in large numbers over t2 due to cost causing drastic increase in reshipping and a major logistics wall.
T1 version also does not require Logistics training, and relies instead only on lvl 5 cruiser for the cap bonus, which lets face it, most people are much more willing to train.
Massive downgrade to barriers for entry and resupply, and T1 variants can easily be built in mass on location rather than shipped from empire.
Also causes a massive reduction in cost to T1 fleets of any sort because of the reliance on T1 cost ships rather than T2 cost ships. So every T1 BC fleet just got a massive cost advantage over any T2 fleet as logistics always were the one negative cost. |
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Gevlin
SMANews.net SpaceMonkey's Alliance
192
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Posted - 2012.09.11 22:36:00 -
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I really like the idea of the bonuses for opposite drones. As those are often used to top up off tank inbetween battles. L
For tacklers I usually leave drones on them as repairing them is I possible... Though logistic frigate may specials here Some day I will have the internet and be able to play again. |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
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Posted - 2012.09.11 22:45:00 -
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I'm Down wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:[quote=I'm Down]Exequror in particular is going to be so close to t2 in strength that why would you ever ask people to fly a more expensive option again.
Exequror reps 252 HP/s from RR and 70 HP/s from drones Oneiros reps 384 HP/s from RR and 70 HP/s from drones That's 132 HP/s difference. So I still say the oneiros is better
with Legion, it's 315 per second with an Exequor with t2 Medium Mods.
with Legion, its 394 per sec with 3 large T2 (much more unlikely than solace) for an Oneiros. /quote] I did read all of it but this is what stuck out the most You are basing your stats with all 3 medium reps and a off grid t3 booster for the exequror and com pairing it to 3 large reps despite the oneiros being able to use 4 remote reps which spreads the gap quite a bit, especially with a off grid booster. Or we you thinking about a energy transfer for the oneiros? If so then why would the exequror not use an energy transfer as well? That would make them comparable ships again. Point being their is still a big difference between the ships. |
I'm Down
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.09.11 22:54:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:I'm Down wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:[quote=I'm Down]Exequror in particular is going to be so close to t2 in strength that why would you ever ask people to fly a more expensive option again.
Exequror reps 252 HP/s from RR and 70 HP/s from drones Oneiros reps 384 HP/s from RR and 70 HP/s from drones That's 132 HP/s difference. So I still say the oneiros is better with Legion, it's 315 per second with an Exequor with t2 Medium Mods. with Legion, its 394 per sec with 3 large T2 (much more unlikely than solace) for an Oneiros. /quote] I did read all of it but this is what stuck out the most You are basing your stats with all 3 medium reps and a off grid t3 booster for the exequror and com pairing it to 3 large reps despite the oneiros being able to use 4 remote reps which spreads the gap quite a bit, especially with a off grid booster. Or we you thinking about a energy transfer for the oneiros? If so then why would the exequror not use an energy transfer as well? That would make them comparable ships again. Point being their is still a big difference between the ships.
Almost nobody in 0.0 doe a 4 large rep Oneiros due to fittings. |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
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Posted - 2012.09.11 22:57:00 -
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I'm Down wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:I'm Down wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:[quote=I'm Down]Exequror in particular is going to be so close to t2 in strength that why would you ever ask people to fly a more expensive option again.
Exequror reps 252 HP/s from RR and 70 HP/s from drones Oneiros reps 384 HP/s from RR and 70 HP/s from drones That's 132 HP/s difference. So I still say the oneiros is better with Legion, it's 315 per second with an Exequor with t2 Medium Mods. with Legion, its 394 per sec with 3 large T2 (much more unlikely than solace) for an Oneiros. /quote] I did read all of it but this is what stuck out the most You are basing your stats with all 3 medium reps and a off grid t3 booster for the exequror and com pairing it to 3 large reps despite the oneiros being able to use 4 remote reps which spreads the gap quite a bit, especially with a off grid booster. Or we you thinking about a energy transfer for the oneiros? If so then why would the exequror not use an energy transfer as well? That would make them comparable ships again. Point being their is still a big difference between the ships. Almost nobody in 0.0 doe a 4 large rep Oneiros due to fittings. So then why do you thing the exequror will be any different? Also there are more areas in the game than 0.0 not everything has to be based around it, but everywhere as a whole |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
548
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Posted - 2012.09.11 23:00:00 -
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I'm Down wrote:
Almost nobody in 0.0 doe a 4 large rep Oneiros due to fittings.
true... but CCP has a plan... much like the cylons...
tech II logi ships will have their day... but that day is not today...
let the age of Tech I logi begin!
Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
I'm Down
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.09.11 23:05:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote: So then why do you thing the exequror will be any different? Also there are more areas in the game than 0.0 not everything has to be based around it, but everywhere as a whole
I'm going to chalk this comment up to inexperience. There are 3 standard fits for an oneiros:
3 rep MWD 3 rep AB 4 rep empire gank
The only time a 4 rep setup is ever used is for empire short duration small fights because it's super hard to make it cap stable and fit for tank.
In most common use, the Oneiros only ever fits 3 reps because it's the best fittings option.
The 3 rep fit as I showed before is only marginally better than the 3 medium rep Exeq. But when you consider general gaming strategy, there is an obvious reason why the masses of players would chose one ship over another. In this case, I spelled it out above.
It's a horrible implementation of an idea when you devalue any reason why players would chose the "superior ship" when that ship gets marginalized so much. This is especially true for dedicated logistics pilots who can look at 2 options, a 220 mil ship+ fit or a 25 mil ship + fit that's only slightly worse and far less skill intensive.
The other 3 races are much more in balance than the Exeq because they are much tighter on fittings and limited in their ability to maximize full utility. The Exeq as proposed does not have the limitations of the other 3. It's vastly superior and OP as ****. |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
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Posted - 2012.09.11 23:14:00 -
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Well then by all means please show this 0.0 oneiros fit. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
16
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Posted - 2012.09.11 23:24:00 -
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I hate everything. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
16
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Posted - 2012.09.11 23:43:00 -
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Was the infinite cap thing on basilisks and guardians actually intentional? I had always assumed it was accidental, because of how bad it is. |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
642
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Posted - 2012.09.12 00:11:00 -
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4 rep AB Onieros are not as uncommon as above poster would lead you to believe. Still cap stable ;) "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
CSM7 rep, CSM 4 vet Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
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