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Innominate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.15 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: Innominate on 15/06/2011 17:59:39
A couple questions: How does this work with open-source applications?
Hypothetical: I'm a poor developer looking to release some useful tool for eve. I can't afford proper hosting and so I use a host that displays ads. How does this work out?
Do you guys at CCP have any idea how reliant your game is on 3rd party applications and tools? Evemon, Fitting tools, map tools, killboards, asset trackers, etc. Virtually all of it created and maintained in some developers spare time. Much of which is all but required to play eve. We're lucky these programs exist, and now you're going to try charging them $100 a year for the privilege of helping to make eve playable?
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Innominate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.15 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Innominate on 15/06/2011 18:14:24
Originally by: Alpheias CCP, don't bite the hand that feeds you. You need us more than we need you.
This pretty much sums up 3rd party app development in eve.
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Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats
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Innominate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.15 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atlas So, what's going on in my feedback thre... HOLY CRAP, 9 pages of hate!
For the sake of the future of eve I hope you expected at least a more muted version of this response.
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1) The blog represents the first draft of what our bizdev department is thinking of in terms of the license agreement. We published it to get feedback from you guys. This is not the final word on the matter and we want to build this service up with you so that it's fair and empowers you to build these applications and services which better the game.
2) Regarding this clause: Q: Will services for in-game currency require a commercial license? A: Yes, if you require any sort of payment for your services you will need a commercial license.
I've spoken to Biz Dev and this is something that might be revised, possibly to exclude ISK payments. I'll let you know as soon as I know more.
It sounds like your "bizdev" department knows nothing about the game except figuring out how to maximize the amount of money squeezed from players.
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3) This project is not about CCP making money. Whether we charge $100 or $50 or $10 for a commercial license won't make a big difference to our balance sheet. $99 is the lowest that we estimated that we could reasonably go and still justify the cost of the service. If this is too high for app developers, this is something that could possibly be revisited.
I'm sure your "bizdev" department has considered the hundreds of tools and thousands of developers who this potentially impacts. Working from a stupid unrealistic perspective that people want to pay to develop their tools to play eve, you have 1000 developers(given the number of corps and alliances and huge number of tools out there, this number is probably low) paying $100 a year. Well, 100k a year isn't huge but it's all free money.
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4) Nothing is set in stone. We're willing to reconsider anything you deem unfair about the program. Donation and ad supported ventures is a tricky thing to allow without any sort of a commercial license though and that's a legal slippery slope. Whether that license needs to be $99 per year is something we might reconsider.
No. It's not tricky at all. There is no need whatsoever for any of the licensing bull****.
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Please help us by continuing to give constructive feedback into how you want this service to be since our motives are really to empower 3rd party development and not to try to squeeze money out of starving programmers.
Our Biz Dev department will give us some more answers and clarify ambiguity. Rest assured this will change to suit your needs and our aim is to make you want to develop software and services for EVE and not to throw obstacles in your way.
This is why you're introducing a $100 a year obstacle in front of virtually every person developing anything eve related, while at the same time promising to provide no documentation, technical support, or even a working API. The entire purpose of the dev blog is summed up in it's title.
Monetizing 3rd Party Apps
You're not helping 3rd party developers monetize their applications, you're trying to monetize other peoples work.
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Innominate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.15 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Emilya Tatsuki
Really? $99 a year from a handful of people? I probably make more in a month a work.
so if even 100 people (and I feel thats a stretch) do this, its 9.9k a year. yeah thats a HUGE bottomline increase.
If you consider the number of people who WOULD pay it, you're completely right. If you consider the number of people that would have to pay it to continue what they're doing you're off by a couple orders of magnitude and the dollar amount becomes meaningful. (i.e. If you throw in an unrealistic expectation of the number of people willing to pay it)
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