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Rarkal
Vzdelops
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Posted - 2011.06.16 07:47:00 -
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Bad idea CCP.
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Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2011.06.16 08:11:00 -
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Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik FFS CCP, you are letting Chribba
who
Quote: Wollari,
who
Quote: Peter Powers
who
Quote: and MANY others that shaped this community down the drain.
What have they ever done for me? that's what I'd like to know! -----------------------------------------------
"I have not problem with prostitute, but the kiddy dools is to much for me" - Orcan |
Juliette DuBois
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Posted - 2011.06.16 08:36:00 -
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Amazing ignorance or troll. Can`t decide which.
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ghosttr
ARK-CORP Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.06.16 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Omara Otawan Edited by: Omara Otawan on 16/06/2011 00:51:58
Originally by: "devblog"
Will services for in-game currency require a commercial license?
Yes, if you require any sort of payment for your services you will need a commercial license.
Premature mouthfoaming much? Check it out, I bolded the interesting part and even took the liberty to underline the very interesting part.
For clarity:
requiring payment != accepting donation
In simple terms, if you charge people for your software, you have to pay up. And you damn well should.
If you do not charge, but accept donations from people that enjoy your software which you provide free of charge you dont have to pay.
Also, it appears they are rethinking if ISK should be considered payment at all:
Originally by: "devblog" 2) Regarding this clause: Q: Will services for in-game currency require a commercial license? A: Yes, if you require any sort of payment for your services you will need a commercial license. I've spoken to Biz Dev and this is something that might be revised, possibly to exclude ISK payments. I'll let you know as soon as I know more.
Will donations require a commercial license?
From CCP Will donations require a commercial license?
Yes, for donation supported websites you will require a commercial license.
^^^
This is what has everybody ****ed
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Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
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Posted - 2011.06.16 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Juliette DuBois Amazing ignorance or troll. Can`t decide which.
My guess is: an owl --- The EVE 3rd-Party Shutdown Party |
SystemAdministrator
Invision Hosting
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Posted - 2011.06.16 10:03:00 -
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I'm not the richest guy, I'm a student and this will force me to shutdown my work in hosting for isk and providing some paid and some free services to the community.
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Danika Princip
Minmatar Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.06.16 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: SystemAdministrator I'm not the richest guy, I'm a student and this will force me to shutdown my work in hosting for isk and providing some paid and some free services to the community.
read the blog.
Quote: CCP will license 3rd party developers to create commercial applications and services created using the EVE API, In-Game Browser, Static Data Export, Image Export and Eve Image server.
Does hosting for isk use any of those?
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Trebor Daehdoow
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Posted - 2011.06.16 10:57:00 -
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I've posted in the thread. CSM did not see the devblog in advance, which is unfortunate because we would have made the same objections.
It's penny-wise and pound-foolish IMHO.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.06.16 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Mara Rinn on 16/06/2011 11:57:35
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow It's penny-wise and pound-foolish IMHO.
It's not even penny-wise. The entry bar is far too high for a gaming community. In the Apple App Store world, you have a potential customer base of millions of users, all of them cashed-up and ready to spend. In the EVE Online world, you have a potential customer base of a hundred thousand or so who are already paying $15/month to pay the game.
Charging people $99/year for the possibility of being able to make a couple of hundred dollars is rather ludicrous. Noone will be able to afford that licence fee.
Cut the licence fee to $0, take a portion of the revenue, provide in-game advertising of licenced properties, it'll be a different picture for both CCP and the third party devs.
My suggestion on the matter is to implement ingame subscription purchases, using the EVE Ingame Store as something like the Apple App Store to promote third party properties and make it very easy for players to buy subscriptions to the third party services.
The system I've proposed will allow folks like Chribba to continue doing things exactly like they are right now. Every now and then I could throw an Aurum's worth of real dollars his way without racking up small transaction charges or excess monthly transaction charges up on my card :)
A $99/yr fee + portion of revenue makes sense in the Apple App Store world because of the size of the market and that market's propensity for spending money (they bought iPhones! helloooo money!). It doesn't make sense in the EVE Online world (they play games to pass the time instead of starting new companies or working second jobs - bunch of cheapskates! ).
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Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2011.06.17 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik
Originally by: Juliette DuBois Amazing ignorance or troll. Can`t decide which.
My guess is: an owl
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Antadark
Gallente The Black Legionnares Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.06.17 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards I agree with CCP. If you intend to profit from their product then you should require some sort of 'commercial license' and $99/year is hardly unreasonable.
What I would have liked to see is an option to pay in PLEXs.
Sounds fair, as long as you don't have to pay for a license if the profit is purely in-game currency. |
Faith Clothos
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Posted - 2011.06.17 17:01:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.06.17 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow CSM did not see the devblog in advance, which is unfortunate because we would have made the same objections.
Why is this becoming more and more common lately? |
Aeglos Karden
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.17 17:44:00 -
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Save 3rd Party Devs!!
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Amy Garzan
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Posted - 2011.06.17 23:46:00 -
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free bump -------------------------------------------------- 101010 The Answer to Life, The Universe, and Everything |
Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari draketrain Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.18 11:04:00 -
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I don't think donation driven free sites should require commercial licences.
However, if you put 100 ads there and charge money or isk for services it's obviously commercial service with aim for profit which should require a licence.
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Kadesh Priestess
Scalding Chill
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Posted - 2011.06.18 12:23:00 -
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I could agree if CCP'd make ingame appstore and take some percentage from license sales (would it be real cash or isk), but in current form it looks ridiculous.
At least appstore endorses 3rd party devs to use it - it gives easier access to apps for all the eve crowd. _____ EVE Fit |
Lin-Young Borovskova
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Posted - 2011.06.18 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Peter Powers CCP recently published a devblog about possibilities for 3rd party developers to monetize their work on projects all arround eve.
Now while the basic idea is a cool thing and very welcome, one clause mentioned in it is totally unacceptable:
Originally by: "devblog"
Will services for in-game currency require a commercial license?
Yes, if you require any sort of payment for your services you will need a commercial license.
this a slap in the face of everyone who is putting time and efford into providing tools all arround eve. basically it means if you take a donation or charge isk for a service you provide to enhance the game, you have to pay 99$ a year to ccp.
Do something. Now.
You don't want to pay? -don't do it
"Cancer killed thousands and keeps killing hundreds.Aids killed thousands and keeps killing hundreds. And human economics kill how many every day?" |
Ranka Mei
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Posted - 2011.06.18 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: Ranka Mei on 18/06/2011 15:09:22
Hopelessly supported!
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rootimus maximus
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Posted - 2011.06.18 20:44:00 -
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