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Acac Sunflyier Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.16 10:32:00 - [1] Wasn't there a time when you didn't have micro transactions yet could still develop expansions and maintain the game? Did something change that you need more money for the same thing? I miss the old days...
chaosyourgod Minmatar Virtual Warriors IMPERIAL LEGI0N	Posted - 2011.06.16 10:34:00 - [2] ¼_¼ the truth is but a lie
Juliette DuBois	Posted - 2011.06.16 10:35:00 - [3] You know that paper currency loses its value constantly?
Terrante Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.16 10:44:00 - [4] Originally by: Acac Sunflyier Wasn't there a time when you didn't have micro transactions yet could still develop expansions and maintain the game? Did something change that you need more money for the same thing? I miss the old days... Do have any idea at all of what a CEO, COO, assorted other C's, a biz-dev team and a marketing department cost these days??
Brooks Puuntai Minmatar Solar Nexus. -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.06.16 10:51:00 - [5] Its all about greed and laziness. With MT they can cut back on actually developing quality material to keep their subs high and focus more on developing fluff items that will sell. They are praying on peoples weakness to impulse buying. While at the moment that impulse is limited to just fluff items, however I can guarantee that within 2-3 years there will be non fluff MT and Eve will become pay2win.
Holy One Quiet.Storm Frater Adhuc Excessum	Posted - 2011.06.16 11:02:00 - [6] Makes me lol all this moaning. Summer of rage everyone was screaming at CCP to get some 'credible business people to run things and stop being amateur n00bs'. Well now you got your MBAs and 'mystery' investors. Bon appetite! BBQ makes me hungry for more...
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.06.16 11:04:00 - [7] Originally by: Juliette DuBois You know that paper currency loses its value constantly? And did you know that despite that Eve is still has one of the most expensive subscriptions out there? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Saelie	Posted - 2011.06.16 11:14:00 - [8] Actually, EVE uses a pretty standard pricing formula for subscription games, unless they or everyone else has changed it in the last couple weeks.
clixor Celluloid Gurus	Posted - 2011.06.16 11:20:00 - [9] Originally by: Acac Sunflyier Wasn't there a time when you didn't have micro transactions yet could still develop expansions and maintain the game? Did something change that you need more money for the same thing? I miss the old days... Most likely CCP isn't / wasn't making that much money, and if they were, investors are always looking for greater return on investment. Microtransactions have proven to be popular, i actually think CCP doesn't have much choice as increasing subscriptions fees isn't a realistic option.
Midge Mo'yb Bat Country Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.06.16 11:22:00 - [10] Originally by: Acac Sunflyier Wasn't there a time when you didn't have micro transactions yet could still develop expansions and maintain the game? Did something change that you need more money for the same thing? I miss the old days... yeah, there busy using our money to develop 2 other games we give not one **** about...
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.16 11:24:00 - [11] Originally by: Brooks Puuntai Its all about greed and laziness. With MT they can cut back on actually developing quality material to keep their subs high and focus more on developing fluff items that will sell. They are praying on peoples weakness to impulse buying. While at the moment that impulse is limited to just fluff items, however I can guarantee that within 2-3 years there will be non fluff MT and Eve will become pay2win. I think it really does come down to that. Developing quality game content is expensive. Instead, we can now look forward to entire expansions full of nothing but microtransaction content, and some visual redesigns like Incarna 1.0 (which has to be the first expansion that completely lacks real content). As for when $15 a month became not enough? I'm pretty sure that happened when CCP's focus shifted to Dust and World of Darkness.
Holy One Quiet.Storm Frater Adhuc Excessum	Posted - 2011.06.16 11:25:00 - [12] Originally by: Midge Mo'yb Originally by: Acac Sunflyier Wasn't there a time when you didn't have micro transactions yet could still develop expansions and maintain the game? Did something change that you need more money for the same thing? I miss the old days... yeah, there busy using our money to develop 2 other games we give not one **** about... The revenue from which - long term - will guarantee EVE continues to exist.
Vera Denjuros	Posted - 2011.06.16 11:26:00 - [13] Originally by: Acac Sunflyier Wasn't there a time when you didn't have micro transactions yet could still develop expansions and maintain the game? Did something change that you need more money for the same thing? I miss the old days... Isent this a rather pointless sentiment? The stuff you can buy for aurum is purely cosmetic, plex has a larger impact on the game world allready....
Sunji Togenada	Posted - 2011.06.16 11:26:00 - [14] Originally by: Rodj Blake And did you know that despite that Eve is still has one of the most expensive subscriptions out there? Compared to what, exactly? Runescape? Did WoW start charging $9.95 a month when everybody but me was looking? Is this what SW:TOR is charging? Less? Seriously, what other MMO is this constantly repeated weasel-words "EVE IS EXPENSIVE" argument talking about because I am missing out on great deals
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.16 11:30:00 - [15] Originally by: Holy One Originally by: Midge Mo'yb Originally by: Acac Sunflyier Wasn't there a time when you didn't have micro transactions yet could still develop expansions and maintain the game? Did something change that you need more money for the same thing? I miss the old days... yeah, there busy using our money to develop 2 other games we give not one ** about... The revenue from which - long term - will guarantee EVE continues to exist. I'm pretty sure it's more we're paying to help WOD exist, so they can focus their effort on the next big game. Originally by:** Vera Denjuros Originally by: Acac Sunflyier Wasn't there a time when you didn't have micro transactions yet could still develop expansions and maintain the game? Did something change that you need more money for the same thing? I miss the old days... Isent this a rather pointless sentiment? The stuff you can buy for aurum is purely cosmetic, plex has a larger impact on the game world allready.... PLEXes don't generate anything. It's doubtful the Aurum will stop with purely cosmetic things as CCP has tried twice now to do the opposite (PLEX for remaps, Aurum for Scorpions). Originally by: Sunji Togenada Originally by: Rodj Blake And did you know that despite that Eve is still has one of the most expensive subscriptions out there? Compared to what, exactly? Runescape? Did WoW start charging $9.95 a month when everybody but me was looking? Is this what SW:TOR is charging? Less? Seriously, what other MMO is this constantly repeated weasel-words "EVE IS EXPENSIVE" argument talking about because I am missing out on great deals Actually, I'm wondering that as well.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.16 11:31:00 - [16] I was wondering about the same thing the other day, except with milk. There was a time that milk cost only a nickle. What happened? When was a nickle not enough for a gallon of milk? Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Graic Valente Gallente Valente Galactic Enterprises	Posted - 2011.06.16 11:31:00 - [17] Originally by: Acac Sunflyier Wasn't there a time when you didn't have micro transactions yet could still develop expansions and maintain the game? Did something change that you need more money for the same thing? I miss the old days... 16 comes after 15. That's why. ;)
Scanner717	Posted - 2011.06.16 11:33:00 - [18] Compared to what, exactly? Runescape? Did WoW start charging $9.95 a month when everybody but me was looking? Is this what SW:TOR is charging? Less? Seriously, what other MMO is this constantly repeated weasel-words "EVE IS EXPENSIVE" argument talking about because I am missing out on great deals From what I have been told the euro players pay more because of exchange rate silliness. So they pay something like 20 USD.
Holy One Quiet.Storm Frater Adhuc Excessum	Posted - 2011.06.16 11:34:00 - [19] Originally by: Nullity The revenue from which - long term - will guarantee EVE continues to exist. I'm pretty sure it's more we're paying to help WOD exist, so they can focus their effort on the next big game. A bigger company means more employees means more skills means more chance eve will be around in another 10 years is my take on that. Of course its a glass half full vs a glass half empty debate there so it could be you are right. BBQ makes me hungry for more...
Brooks Puuntai Minmatar Solar Nexus. -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.06.16 11:34:00 - [20] Edited by: Brooks Puuntai on 16/06/2011 11:35:20 Originally by: Holy One Originally by: Midge Mo'yb Originally by: Acac Sunflyier Wasn't there a time when you didn't have micro transactions yet could still develop expansions and maintain the game? Did something change that you need more money for the same thing? I miss the old days... yeah, there busy using our money to develop 2 other games we give not one **** about... The revenue from which - long term - will guarantee EVE continues to exist. Not exactly. WoD is probably the only chance of CCP getting a decent return on their investment. So long as they don't epically mess it up. Due to it being a very popular genre thats not heavily exploited in the gaming industry. Add that to the fact that it already has a decent following from the VTM/VTR group. Dust however is going to fail and fail hard. Your entering into a over saturated genre, into a single console exclusive deal(mind you a console that lost a lot of faith from its player base due to getting hacked), you are a unknown developer in the console world and the fps world, AND you are doing a F2P/MT model thats never really been tested/successful in the FPS area. Damn that was a long sentence.
Nullity Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.16 11:34:00 - [21] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 I was wondering about the same thing the other day, except with milk. There was a time that milk cost only a nickle. What happened? When was a nickle not enough for a gallon of milk? This is more like if milk started shipping to stores already spoiled, and the only thing the dairy farm was doing to solve the problem was offering consumers new, prettier labels for the carton.
Discrodia Gallente Symbiosis International Moose Alliance	Posted - 2011.06.16 11:37:00 - [22] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Juliette DuBois You know that paper currency loses its value constantly? And did you know that despite that Eve is still has one of the most expensive subscriptions out there? In terms of games that actually require subscriptions, EVE is pretty much at the norm. And most other sub-based games are coming out with micro-transaction schemes for vanity items, so I see no reason why EVE can't do the same without you people ***ing up a storm. Originally by:** anonymous WE JUST DID SCIENCE!
Ford Mersombre	Posted - 2011.06.16 11:37:00 - [23] I'd gladly kick in an extra buck or two a month if it would put an end to micro-transactions. MT's are a poison that just slowly kill a game ... I used to love playing EQ2, but after they put the store in, it didn't take long before all the constant hounding for more money drove me away.
Sunji Togenada	Posted - 2011.06.16 11:45:00 - [24] Originally by: Scanner717 From what I have been told the euro players pay more because of exchange rate silliness. So they pay something like 20 USD. Now this I can completely understand. If CCP dropped the ball on pricing in EU countries due to VAT or whatever nonsense goes on in their market while all the other MMO companies are charging comparable prices worldwide after currency exchange and vat, then yeah eve would be unpleasantly expensive. I understand Steam has this problem too. But I never hear this, its just... "EVE is the most expensive MMO on the market you guys!" No explanation. No example competitors ("For example Popular MMO X costs Y unit of currency less per month!"). Nothing. WHYYYY.
Julienne Poirier Gallente Nonya Endeavours	Posted - 2011.06.16 11:50:00 - [25] Here's a fun calculator. http://www.dollartimes.com/calculators/inflation.htm Quote: $14.95 in 2003 had the same buying power as $18.11 in 2011. Annual inflation over this period was 2.43%.
Vera Denjuros	Posted - 2011.06.16 11:53:00 - [26] You do yourself a favor by actually reading the dev blog.... http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913 The total effects of these so-called "microtransactions" is that plex prices on the market will be a little higher, which by the way is not a problem because plex has been piling up for ages. There are alot of unused plex out there and this will help the problem. If you ***** and whine about aurum you have to question PLEX aswell and that has been around for a long time now. This thread and all you whine is pointless. Go stick your head in a pig.
Darwin Duck Xeno Tech Corp Vanguard Imperium	Posted - 2011.06.16 11:57:00 - [27] Originally by: Acac Sunflyier Wasn't there a time when you didn't have micro transactions yet could still develop expansions and maintain the game? Did something change that you need more money for the same thing? I miss the old days... Heard of inflation? if you have a steady 7% a year increase you have a dobleing time of only 10 years. When you read in the papers crime has doubled the last decade that "only" means a 7% increase pr year. If you get a 7% raise each year it would go like this. pr year 1950: 1x 1960: 2x 1970: 4x 1980: 8x 1990: 16x 2000: 32x 2010: 64x See from 2000 to 2010 you made more money than you did from 1950-2000 combined.
Myra2007 Millstone Industries	Posted - 2011.06.16 11:58:00 - [28] Probably when they decided to hire lots of dead weight like web cell and biz dev. -- Originally by: CCP Elais It was a great Frankenstein moment [...] to see the forum [...] come alive.
Syphon Lodian Gallente	Posted - 2011.06.16 11:59:00 - [29] Edited by: Syphon Lodian on 16/06/2011 12:01:03 Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 I was wondering about the same thing the other day, except with milk. There was a time that milk cost only a nickle. What happened? When was a nickle not enough for a gallon of milk? Ask Ben Bernanke why milk costs more than a nickel. He knows all about the methods that make milk cost more. ------------------------------------------------- Go pod yourself.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2011.06.16 12:07:00 - [30] Originally by: Nullity Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 I was wondering about the same thing the other day, except with milk. There was a time that milk cost only a nickle. What happened? When was a nickle not enough for a gallon of milk? This is more like if milk started shipping to stores already spoiled, and the only thing the dairy farm was doing to solve the problem was offering consumers new, prettier labels for the carton. Great! You seem to have finally engaged your brain a bit. Now see if you can figure out why the OP's a cynical troll. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!

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