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Amber Saint
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.16 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: Amber Saint on 16/06/2011 11:21:21 If one team fields 50 points and wins against a team that brings 100 points does the losing team get 50 points in addition to any points they've already scored?
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Terianna Eri
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.16 11:58:00 -
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Yes.
If you field 50 points (of an available 100), the other team gets the 50 points you didn't field right off the bat, to ensure that teams can't essentially grief other teams by not sllowing them to get the maximum points.
If you field less points than your opponent, and win, you also get the extra points that you didn't field. ________________
Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Takakura Hirohito
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Posted - 2011.06.16 12:23:00 -
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Edited by: Takakura Hirohito on 16/06/2011 12:27:21 Edited by: Takakura Hirohito on 16/06/2011 12:25:02 Edited by: Takakura Hirohito on 16/06/2011 12:24:41 No. Only the winning team gets the opponent's (or their own) handicap points.
If a team with 50 points in ships wins vs a team with 100, then the winner gets their 50 handicap points plus whatever points in killed ships. The loser (the 100-point team) only gets the number of points that they killed. The losing team does no get a bonus for losing to a team that brought fewer points, even though I believe this is how IC has calculated it on their website. That is why I'm pushing CCP to update their official scores. It's Thursday and they still haven't done it. There would an example of this (a 99 point team winning vs a 100 point team) if they updated the scores.
If a team with 50 points in ships loses vs a team with 100 points, the winner (the 100 point team, in this case) gets 50 points plus whatever points they killed.
I believe this is the way the prelims were scored, but I can't find the links to those scores anymore. This same topic was discussed then.
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Amber Saint
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.16 13:01:00 -
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Can CCP confirm this?
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Takakura Hirohito
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Posted - 2011.06.16 13:31:00 -
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It this stickied standings thread from the prelims, it was discussed how CCP was only awarding handicap points to the winners. Although the rules suggest otherwise, the losers never got handicap points.
Either an official statement from CCP or actually updating the official scores would be super-duper awesome.
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Amber Saint
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.16 16:24:00 -
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bump, would be great to have some ccp input on this
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Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.16 19:34:00 -
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Edited by: Raivi on 16/06/2011 19:35:16 If I'm understanding the question correctly, you aren't asking about handicap points, but this rule:
Quote: If a team chooses to field less than 100 points, unfielded points count towards the opponent's score.
And those points get awarded no matter who wins and loses.
An example of that rule in action is this match. Lack lost but still got one point because Bane only fielded 99. If Bane had only fielded 50 than lack would have received 50 points even without killing a single ship.
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Amber Saint
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.16 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: Amber Saint on 16/06/2011 20:10:48 Edited by: Amber Saint on 16/06/2011 20:10:32 Are you completely sure? It would make sense why Wild boars received no points here, considering Wild boars went 99 points and outbreak 100, but they got 1 point here when razor went 99
Could some ccp dude confirm this just to be certain ?
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Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.16 20:37:00 -
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Edited by: Raivi on 16/06/2011 20:38:30 In your first link Wild boars was the team that fielded 99 points. If Outbreak had fielded 99 then wild boars would have received 1 point.
You can tell that Razor got the extra point for the wild boars 99 team because they received 100 points while only killing 99 worth of ships.
When a team fields less than 100 points, their opponent always receives the difference no matter who wins. But the handicap only comes into effect if the team that was handicapped wins.
I'm sure when Zirnitra (who I love almost as much as Joss Whedon) has a chance he'll clear this up officially, but I don't see any cases that go against my understanding of the rules yet so I'm pretty confident about that particular rule.
:Edit: I just realized we are actually agreeing at this point. ---------------------------------------------
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Takakura Hirohito
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Posted - 2011.06.16 21:54:00 -
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Edited by: Takakura Hirohito on 16/06/2011 21:57:08 Edited by: Takakura Hirohito on 16/06/2011 21:55:12
Originally by: Raivi Edited by: Raivi on 16/06/2011 20:38:30 In your first link Wild boars was the team that fielded 99 points. If Outbreak had fielded 99 then wild boars would have received 1 point.
You can tell that Razor got the extra point for the wild boars 99 team because they received 100 points while only killing 99 worth of ships.
When a team fields less than 100 points, their opponent always receives the difference no matter who wins. But the handicap only comes into effect if the team that was handicapped wins.
I'm sure when Zirnitra (who I love almost as much as Joss Whedon) has a chance he'll clear this up officially, but I don't see any cases that go against my understanding of the rules yet so I'm pretty confident about that particular rule.
:Edit: I just realized we are actually agreeing at this point.
I don't know how many times I have to say this: CCP's rules, when taken literally, say that when a team fields less than 100 points, the opposite team gets those points, regardless of the match outcome. However, in years past, and in the prelims, only the winner gets the handicap points. This makes sense, since you shouldn't get bonus points for losing to a handicapped team. This was discussed a few weeks ago here. IC, which Amber Saint linked 2 posts up, have taken the rules literally, and do not calculate scores the same way CCP does.
And all it takes is either an official CCP response in this thread, or an updating of the standings here to settle this, since the 2nd round of matches contained an instance where a handicapped team won.
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Karima el Marough
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Posted - 2011.06.16 22:45:00 -
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I would be more interested in how ccp handles the upcoming metagaming-slugfest in group H this thread refers to...
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Raivi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.17 03:23:00 -
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The best metagaming stays within very clear rules as you're always better being able to predict your outcome. I think this is one of those clear rules. As I As I said, Zirnitra will probably post here once he gets a chance (the tournament is but one of his many impressive jobs) but I am confident that this rule is being applied as it exists in the books. ---------------------------------------------
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Amber Saint
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.17 08:41:00 -
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Cheers for the input but confirmed ccp input would be cool too
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CCP Zirnitra
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Posted - 2011.06.17 17:14:00 -
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So to hopefully clear up the confusion about the points rules, there are two rules in play here.
- Un-fielded points:
- If one team fields less than 100 points, any points not fielded is awarded to the opposing team, regardless of who wins the match. The reason for this is, as someone stated earlier in the thread, to avoid having a team, that has no chance of advancing further in the tournament (say a team that has lost their first two matches, and are up against an overwhelming opponent in their last match), being able to grief or skew the balance of how the further match-ups will be, by denying points to another team.
- Intentional handicapping:
- If you field less points than your opponent, and you win the match, you will get a points bonus equal to the points difference between the two teams. You only gain the points difference between the teams, so if both teams brings 98 points for example, there will be no handicap bonus
We understand that these rules can be a bit confusing, but hopefully this has helped clear it up a bit. |
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Zeerover
Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2011.06.17 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zirnitra So to hopefully clear up the confusion about the points rules, there are two rules in play here.
- Un-fielded points:
- If one team fields less than 100 points, any points not fielded is awarded to the opposing team, regardless of who wins the match. The reason for this is, as someone stated earlier in the thread, to avoid having a team, that has no chance of advancing further in the tournament (say a team that has lost their first two matches, and are up against an overwhelming opponent in their last match), being able to grief or skew the balance of how the further match-ups will be, by denying points to another team.
- Intentional handicapping:
- If you field less points than your opponent, and you win the match, you will get a points bonus equal to the points difference between the two teams. You only gain the points difference between the teams, so if both teams brings 98 points for example, there will be no handicap bonus
We understand that these rules can be a bit confusing, but hopefully this has helped clear it up a bit.
So when CO2 pays Wild Boars to toss the match, they'll get 223 (100+98+25) points by fielding a whole team, while Wild Boars show up in a Thrasher?
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Amber Saint
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.06.17 19:32:00 -
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Thank you very much, and to the above post, minimum amount of points able to be used is 50
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Narkotik
Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.17 19:42:00 -
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You cant field less than 50points on main phase.... so wild boars will at least have 50.
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