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Phorneus
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.06.18 05:51:00 -
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Hey guys, I have to ask here to see if i get an answer that makes more sense... ok....
Today I was talking to some guys about a few things over here and down there, u know the usual chat that you have everyday. After a while I said that I was going to get a legion later on after I get the skill... For my surprise all I got was a rain of hate and bash against that ship... They make it sound like the legion was an horrible mistake made by CCP... omg!
Is the Legion bad as hell...???? Why this guys have this perception that this ship is horrible all around for everything... mission, pvp, etc... Hiss!!!! |
Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.06.18 05:57:00 -
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Yes, it really does suck.
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
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Phorneus
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.06.18 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: Val'Dore Yes, it really does suck.
oh... that is a big let down if it really sucks that bad, but what makes it a sucky ship... sounds like there is a small issue when it comes to ship design around the place....
anyway what the heck is that thing in the link... what u mean with that strange module? Hiss!!!! |
Templar Dane
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.06.18 06:02:00 -
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It's either a
-Slightly improved zealot -+1 launcher sacrilege with no drones......... -Safespot gangboosting ship
Tengu does everything better, proteus does the cloaky gank-you better(while having a 20km scram), and the loki....well, loki isn't all that much better but at least it has longrange webs.
But, it is the second best wormhole t3 and can do it much cheaper than a tengu.
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Kastsumi Kobayariel
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Posted - 2011.06.18 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: Templar Dane and the loki....well, loki isn't all that much better but at least it has longrange webs.
wat
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Phorneus
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.06.18 06:09:00 -
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omg... well, i guess i am going to ignore the legion for a while... Its kinda bad that this raise some other concerns but i gtg to bed... Hiss!!!! |
Target Painter
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.18 06:23:00 -
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Originally by: Phorneus omg... well, i guess i am going to ignore the legion for a while... Its kinda bad that this raise some other concerns but i gtg to bed...
Legion looks mediocre because the Zealot is fabulous.
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David Clausewitz
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.18 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Val'Dore Yes, it really does suck.
ahahaha i see what you did there
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Digital Messiah
Imperial Combat Logistics Regiment
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Posted - 2011.06.18 07:11:00 -
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Originally by: David Clausewitz
Originally by: Val'Dore Yes, it really does suck.
ahahaha i see what you did there
Quote: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
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TheMahdi
Nex Exercitus Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.18 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Phorneus
Originally by: Val'Dore Yes, it really does suck.
oh... that is a big let down if it really sucks that bad, but what makes it a sucky ship... sounds like there is a small issue when it comes to ship design around the place....
anyway what the heck is that thing in the link... what u mean with that strange module?
/facepalm
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.06.18 09:05:00 -
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Well, it is one of the best incursion running ships for armor gangs. That's something.
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Crabs Collector
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Posted - 2011.06.18 09:35:00 -
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Legion doesnt really suck THAT much, its just that the other t3 ships are alot better and that the price of the legion is too high if you compare its performance with t2 versions.
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Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
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Posted - 2011.06.18 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Aamrr Well, it is one of the best incursion running ships for armor gangs. That's something.
Wouldn't you just be better with a Paladin?
More dps, more range, bonused tractors and salvage. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Crabs Collector
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Posted - 2011.06.18 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ultim8Evil
Originally by: Aamrr Well, it is one of the best incursion running ships for armor gangs. That's something.
Wouldn't you just be better with a Paladin?
More dps, more range, bonused tractors and salvage.
Firstly, please ignore tractoring and salvaging in incursions :p Secondly, legion is indeed good for nco's, but gets quickly outperformed by the paladin in nmc's and OTA's, especially if there's an interdiction gang link up.
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Rick Sylar
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Posted - 2011.06.18 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Crabs Collector
Firstly, please ignore tractoring and salvaging in incursions :p Secondly, legion is indeed good for nco's, but gets quickly outperformed by the paladin in nmc's and OTA's, especially if there's an interdiction gang link up.
What are NCO's, NMC's and OTA's?
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The Djego
Minmatar Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.18 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: The Djego on 18/06/2011 11:03:03
Originally by: Rick Sylar
Originally by: Crabs Collector
Firstly, please ignore tractoring and salvaging in incursions :p Secondly, legion is indeed good for nco's, but gets quickly outperformed by the paladin in nmc's and OTA's, especially if there's an interdiction gang link up.
What are NCO's, NMC's and OTA's?
Nation commander outpost Nation mining colonies Override transfer array
Edit: Incursion vanguard sites, if the full names don't ring a bell. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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JackStraw56
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Posted - 2011.06.18 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: JackStraw56 on 18/06/2011 17:49:15 Legion is one of the best armor ships for incursion vanguard sites. Paladin is better but with substantially more training time.
The laser range and subsystem that increases scan resolution make it a frigate smasher, especially in a contested site (one with multiple fleets competing) where lock time becomes extremely important.
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Not a Troll
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Posted - 2011.06.19 00:21:00 -
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IMHO the only thing the legion needs, is a damage bonus, or a dronebay on the covert subsystem. I think it's fine =D
I'm going to get one myself, soonÖ.
Not with pvp intentions for a start, but maybe later
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CptConorado
Amarr Salubrious Port Authority
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Posted - 2011.06.19 05:31:00 -
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People say the Legion is bad compared to other T3s. That is because the other T3s don't have T2 counterparts that are really good. If you compare the Cerberus to the Tengu, the Tengu is clearly better. If you compare the Zealot to the Legion, the Legion is better, but not as much as the Tengu over the Cerberus. If you compare the Zealot to the Cerberus the Zealot is better.
I fly a Legion and I would recommend training for it. I've used it in WHs, done level 4s, even 1v1ed against people, and it has come out on top in every area. The Legion, fitted correctly, is a beast. I'm not saying its the best at PvE or PvP, but unlike the Tengu which is only good at PvE, the Legion can be good at both. It is more of the "Jack of all Trades, Master of None" T3.
I would definitely train for it if I were you. ________________________________________________ Some say the universe is almost full of honest people, well I say the universe is full of almost honest people. -Unknown |
David Clausewitz
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.19 06:27:00 -
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T3 is a unique ship class and while it's more-or-less okay for certain ships to be better in various T1 or T2 roles, the T3 roles being totally imbalanced is just wrong.
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Judicator Saturnius
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.06.19 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: CptConorado People say the Legion is bad compared to other T3s. That is because the other T3s don't have T2 counterparts that are really good. If you compare the Cerberus to the Tengu, the Tengu is clearly better. If you compare the Zealot to the Legion, the Legion is better, but not as much as the Tengu over the Cerberus. If you compare the Zealot to the Cerberus the Zealot is better.
How about minmatar? Great t2 cruisers, but the loki is still good. Flimsy argument at best...
Originally by: CptConorado
I fly a Legion and I would recommend training for it. I've used it in WHs, done level 4s, even 1v1ed against people, and it has come out on top in every area. The Legion, fitted correctly, is a beast.
I freely admit the legion is worth it's salt (if eclipsed by the tengu) in wormholes, but any t3 can muck a L4 without issue. I've done them with a rail proteus. As for the 1v1's, i'd love to see those killmails.
Originally by: CptConorado I'm not saying its the best at PvE or PvP, but unlike the Tengu which is only good at PvE, the Legion can be good at both. It is more of the "Jack of all Trades, Master of None" T3.
Bolded the extremely wrong part, but both sentences were fairly inaccurate. The legion is functional with a few combat setups, it's utterly gimped with a covert setup, and the neut as well as drone subs are absolutely abominable.
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David Clausewitz
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.19 07:39:00 -
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I wonder if the Legion will ever get the tweaks it deserves to make it more competitive with the other T3's.
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.19 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Aamrr Well, it is one of the best incursion running ships for armor gangs. That's something.
Not really.
It doesn't get useful ewar (Loki webs), it doesn't do all that much more DPS than a Zealot. I guess it can tank longer before you get logi reps on it, but I wouldn't put it at "best" by a long shot.
Fakeedit:Its the best ganglink ship for your armor gangs. I'll give you that ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
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