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CheekyBabey
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Posted - 2011.06.18 20:27:00 -
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Just forewarning, if people dont know about null sec.
It's about to crash like a plane made of glass.
Sell it while you can.
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Herman Klaus
Caldari Touched By Klaus
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Posted - 2011.06.18 20:55:00 -
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Edited by: Herman Klaus on 18/06/2011 20:55:01
Originally by: CheekyBabey Just forewarning, if people dont know about null sec.
It's about to crash like a plane made of glass.
Sell it while you can.
Who's arse have you had your head up?
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Cheekyhoe
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Posted - 2011.06.18 21:34:00 -
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Witty comeback, but obvious is obvious.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.18 21:44:00 -
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So how exactly is having a scarce resource made even scarcer by conflict going to make it go DOWN in price ? Are you suggesting that the old owners have massive stockpiles that they'll dump on the market all at once ? Even if true, that would only be a short-term drop, and the best moment to BUY MORE. Or maybe are you proposing that the new owners would somehow shoot themselves in the foot and sell it below whatever the heck the market will pay for it ? Why exactly would they want to do that ? _
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Gillaboo
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Posted - 2011.06.18 21:56:00 -
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Are you buying more, Akita?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.18 21:57:00 -
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Hasn't crashed enough for my taste yet. _
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Joan Avon
Amarr Proletariat Manifesto The United Corporations
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Posted - 2011.06.19 02:26:00 -
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I hope they do something at least to smooth out the Tech bottleneck some. I'm not overly picky over whether they reduce the demand for tech by changing up some manufacturing material requirements or if they up the supply by either increasing the number of tech moons available or changing the way moon's are mined so that Tech becomes a more abundant and accessible resource. Or even better yet both. CCP just needs to be careful not to recreate the Tech problem with another material as a result of it's changes.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.19 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Joan Avon I hope they do something at least to smooth out the Tech bottleneck some.
It's the new alchemy coming this Tuesday.
You can react 100 Thulium into 10 Tech.
That is why Thulium is going up in price.
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CheekyBabey
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Posted - 2011.06.19 03:48:00 -
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Tech is not a rare resource.
Tech is an R32 which has been artificially manipulated by what was the NC.
The NC did this originally to increase the profits from their local R32 but after the R64 nerf they decided to make it into the next R64.
Now the NC is dead and have trillions of Tech sitting around in Jita and now the north is being over run by russians and their pets.
So Tech Price is crashing as the smaller alliances sell of their stock to get their isk out quick.
Next will be the big alliances and soon it'll be worth nothing.
I give it 2 months of being over 50k per unit
6 month till it's worth nothing.
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OllieNorth
Gallente Interstellar Entrepreneurs
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Posted - 2011.06.19 04:02:00 -
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Breaker, I hate you.
QFTT (QFThuliumTrolling)
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Lieutenant Obvious
Lobster Sticks To Magnet
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Posted - 2011.06.19 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: CheekyBabey Tech is not a rare resource.
Tech is an R32 which has been artificially manipulated by what was the NC.
The NC did this originally to increase the profits from their local R32 but after the R64 nerf they decided to make it into the next R64.
Now the NC is dead and have trillions of Tech sitting around in Jita and now the north is being over run by russians and their pets.
Hahaha. They did no such thing. And they do not have "trillions" of tech sitting around anywhere.
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Faith Clothos
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Posted - 2011.06.19 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: Lieutenant Obvious
Originally by: CheekyBabey Tech is not a rare resource.
Tech is an R32 which has been artificially manipulated by what was the NC.
The NC did this originally to increase the profits from their local R32 but after the R64 nerf they decided to make it into the next R64.
Now the NC is dead and have trillions of Tech sitting around in Jita and now the north is being over run by russians and their pets.
Hahaha. They did no such thing. And they do not have "trillions" of tech sitting around anywhere.
Of course they didn't.
Something funny happens when cartels lose coercive power, if you, lets say, were in control of a resource which price you wished to keep high, and had the power to punish those selling below your preferred price by taking away their moons or having other "accidents", then you could have whatever price you wanted for that resource.
Oil in real life is a good example.
But, when coercive power is lost (lets say the moons are gone anyway), then it becomes a race to cash out as the last one to do so will be left holding the bill.
That, coupled with a rumored moon rebalancing (talked about in the AT transmission as well) would indicate tech has seen its best days.
Or, maybe nobody did any such, and the NC really didn't control the material they were sitting on basically forever.
All that is left to see is what the Russians do with their bounty and whether they'll get to cash in too.
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Soldarius
Caldari Northstar Cabal Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.06.19 05:23:00 -
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Would laugh my ass off if moon rebalance was true and it killed the tech market. So much for taking the north.
Originally by: Krutoj You dont have a supercapital? buy PLEX trade it for ISK, buy supers. Just like any other mmo you can use your RL to pimp your character out (or tank for that matter).
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.19 10:07:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 19/06/2011 10:14:43
Originally by: CheekyBabey Tech is not a rare resource. Tech is an R32 which has been artificially manipulated by what was the NC.
Yeah, I kinda' stopped caring about the contents of your tinfoilhattery right there. There's a 50-page thread where it is mathematically proven just how wrong you are.
Here's some hints. Do you see BOTH nanotransistors and fullerides also falling like a rock in price ? You only see ONE of them falling, not both. And the one that's falling (fullerides) is doing so right after a massive volume spike. Do you see NEODYMIUM skyrocketing in price to take over the slack left by technetium, with it being the next volume-wise bottleneck ? No, you don't. In fact, you see it keep going down. All of that signal that technetium still is the bottleneck, and it's just a few people holding tech/fullerides that were panicking (and/or needed urgent cash) causing this TEMPORARY drop in value.
Tech will only properly fall in price when CCP actually changes compositions again, Dominion style (or some other adjustment which has yet to be seen even on SiSi). _
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Cheekyhoe
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Posted - 2011.06.19 15:43:00 -
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Keep on believing your maths.
Yes I do agree tech is still heavily used but it's still about Supply against Demand.
The bigger ex NC alliances do have stacks of tech sitting around, else it would of never reached 120,000 isk per unit.
Since the amount of tech buy and sell has remained constant of 1 million units per a day.
Considering market warfare this is probably a real number of 100,000 to 250,000 units per a day.
Looking at the less played with Platinum Technite This show a 250,000 average per a day, which of 50% of that is tech so 125,000 units a day
Looking at fullerides with steady stream of 20 million units a day
Of which only a 1/4 is from tech so divide this by 750 which leaves a measly 26,666.6' units for sale a day, before they end up in end products.
Now with some simple maths lets figure out how many moons that takes to produce now since each moon produces 100 units per hour per day this amount takes about 10-15 moons to produce.
So out of the around 300+ tech moons which are not in high sec only 10-15 are being sold directly to the market.
So no hoarding is going on at all hmmmmm.... I see your math is completely right.
Granted there are probably some people who could continue further and expand on where the fullerides are used but this is where all Tech has to go to be useful.
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strive nails
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.06.19 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Cheekyhoe Keep on believing your maths.
Yes I do agree tech is still heavily used but it's still about Supply against Demand.
The bigger ex NC alliances do have stacks of tech sitting around, else it would of never reached 120,000 isk per unit.
Since the amount of tech buy and sell has remained constant of 1 million units per a day.
Considering market warfare this is probably a real number of 100,000 to 250,000 units per a day.
Looking at the less played with Platinum Technite This show a 250,000 average per a day, which of 50% of that is tech so 125,000 units a day
Looking at fullerides with steady stream of 20 million units a day
Of which only a 1/4 is from tech so divide this by 750 which leaves a measly 26,666.6' units for sale a day, before they end up in end products.
Now with some simple maths lets figure out how many moons that takes to produce now since each moon produces 100 units per hour per day this amount takes about 10-15 moons to produce.
So out of the around 300+ tech moons which are not in high sec only 10-15 are being sold directly to the market.
So no hoarding is going on at all hmmmmm.... I see your math is completely right.
Granted there are probably some people who could continue further and expand on where the fullerides are used but this is where all Tech has to go to be useful.
You actually believe that every single unit of tech traded has to be accounted for in volume by intermediate Tech products traded?
The point you are trying to make should be be made with the actual production end point in consideration: t2.
Such evaluations have been done aplenty in the thread Akita T mentioned.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.06.19 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Cheekyhoe Keep on believing your maths.
Yes I do agree tech is still heavily used but it's still about Supply against Demand.
The bigger ex NC alliances do have stacks of tech sitting around, else it would of never reached 120,000 isk per unit.
Since the amount of tech buy and sell has remained constant of 1 million units per a day.
Considering market warfare this is probably a real number of 100,000 to 250,000 units per a day.
Looking at the less played with Platinum Technite This show a 250,000 average per a day, which of 50% of that is tech so 125,000 units a day
Looking at fullerides with steady stream of 20 million units a day
Of which only a 1/4 is from tech so divide this by 750 which leaves a measly 26,666.6' units for sale a day, before they end up in end products.
Now with some simple maths lets figure out how many moons that takes to produce now since each moon produces 100 units per hour per day this amount takes about 10-15 moons to produce.
So out of the around 300+ tech moons which are not in high sec only 10-15 are being sold directly to the market.
So no hoarding is going on at all hmmmmm.... I see your math is completely right.
Granted there are probably some people who could continue further and expand on where the fullerides are used but this is where all Tech has to go to be useful.
I'm impressed. I don't think I have ever before seen a post with as much wrong data and inference in it. Well done sir!
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Elise DarkStar
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Posted - 2011.06.19 16:33:00 -
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This is among the worst crash tech attempts I've ever seen.
Congratulations.
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Cheekyhoe
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Posted - 2011.06.19 16:41:00 -
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I don't care if it crashes or not, but I find it funny how many people are in denial.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.19 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Cheekyhoe I don't care if it crashes or not, but I find it funny how many people are in denial.
Hey, that's OUR line... _
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Bluebeard
Minmatar LoneStar Industries Comatose Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.19 18:18:00 -
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Edited by: Bluebeard on 19/06/2011 18:18:42
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Cheekyhoe I don't care if it crashes or not, but I find it funny how many people are in denial.
Hey, that's OUR line...
You sniffing drugs again Akita ?
oops, sorry, wrong kind of line
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.19 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Bluebeard You sniffing drugs again Akita ?
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Cheekyhoe
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Posted - 2011.06.19 22:38:00 -
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That's all good I'll just bump this in a while when it happens.
But I'll be fair I told you so isn't going to cut it :P
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Lieutenant Obvious
Lobster Sticks To Magnet
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Posted - 2011.06.20 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cheekyhoe That's all good I'll just bump this in a while when it happens.
You do that. Probably immediately after CCP announces a tech nerf would be the best time for you to do so.
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Cheekyhoe
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Posted - 2011.06.20 03:48:00 -
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If your all so clever explain this to me, why isn't Caesium overpriced?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.20 05:11:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 20/06/2011 05:16:47
Originally by: Cheekyhoe If your all so clever explain this to me, why isn't Caesium overpriced?
Read the 50-page thread. It's not overpriced because it's not rare at all compared to the need for it in T2 construction. NOTHING is overpriced (nor underpriced) for long. All will trend towards their value no matter how much you attempt to manipulate them. Just look at the briefly successful Neodymium manipulation attempt a few months ago. And what just happened to Thulium. _
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Cheekyhoe
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Posted - 2011.06.20 17:45:00 -
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I read your thread but since you declared it as mathematical proof and most of it is assumptions and wrong whilst being declared as fact I decided to ignore it.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.20 19:14:00 -
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Edited by: Breaker77 on 20/06/2011 19:13:53
Originally by: Cheekyhoe I read your thread but since you declared it as mathematical proof and most of it is assumptions and wrong whilst being declared as fact I decided to ignore it.
Then do the math yourself and show us oh great one what is wrong with it.
Oh wait, you're not that smart.
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Elise DarkStar
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Posted - 2011.06.20 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Cheekyhoe I read your thread but since you declared it as mathematical proof and most of it is assumptions and wrong whilst being declared as fact I decided to ignore it.
That's an extremely disingenuous representation of Akita's argument, and easily dismissed by actually reading how Akita has framed it, even ignoring all the actual calculations.
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Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.20 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Joan Avon I hope they do something at least to smooth out the Tech bottleneck some.
It's the new alchemy coming this Tuesday.
You can react 100 Thulium into 10 Tech.
That is why Thulium is going up in price.
I haven't seen that on the test server. So could be that it will come later. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shields are like pants, they're supposed to come off. Armor is like the condom once its gone ur ****ed |
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